The only people who continue to promote wind/solar are those who are ignorant of basic physics. Only nuclear can produce the levels of energy we need

[Crick]

Cost, limited space, depletion of natural resources

The cost is much less than any fueled alternative, there is more than enough space and your resource depletion claim doesn't stand up to even a basic examination.

 

[elektra]

The cost is much less than any fueled alternative, there is more than enough space and your resource depletion claim doesn't stand up to even a basic examination.

It is your claim that fossil fuels are being depleted.

Enough space? Depend on if we grow food and preserve endangered species

The cost is STAGGERING, resulting in bankrupt companies and paying a fixed extreme rate for electricity. Endless subsidies as well

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The cost is much less than any fueled alternative, there is more than enough space and your resource depletion claim doesn't stand up to even a basic examination.

The cost is much less than any fueled alternative,

Obviously.
That's why renewable heavy Germany pays 40 cents per kWh, while we pay 16 cents.

 

[ding]

Why bother with all this insignificant nonsense and just instead focus on nuclear power. It's the only source of non-fossil fuel energy that can, hands down, meet the needs of the world.

New technology reactors can be very safe, and they can be installed close to the sites that need the power (like data centers) since their footprint is very small.

No ugly/costly cross-country transmission lines required. And the latest small modular reactors that are now coming will be VERY small, easy to install where needed. And very safe, no pressure vessel etc.

Amen

 

[Crick]

It is your claim that fossil fuels are being depleted.

Enough space? Depend on if we grow food and preserve endangered species

The cost is STAGGERING, resulting in bankrupt companies and paying a fixed extreme rate for electricity. Endless subsidies as well

Are you thinking that petroleum and natural gas are free?

 

[elektra]

Are you thinking that petroleum and natural gas are free?

If air is free, if sun is free, oil and gas is free.

 

[Woodznutz]

The Saudis have been very successful using solar since 1982.

That's because they live in a SUN PARCHED DESERT.

 

[elektra]

The Saudis have been very successful using solar since 1982.

No they have not

 

[Crick]

If air is free, if sun is free, oil and gas is free.

Try that at your next gas stop. Let us know how that goes.

 

[elektra]

Try that at your next gas stop. Let us know how that goes.

Okay, go outside and make electricity without spending money.

I get it, electricity is free cause you demand that i pay your electric bill

 

[Crick]

Okay, go outside and make electricity without spending money.

I get it, electricity is free cause you demand that i pay your electric bill

I never said electricity was free. I said wind and solar energy is free.

 

[elektra]

I never said electricity was free. I said wind and solar energy is free

You are not talking about electricity?

 

[Crick]

You are not talking about electricity?

Fossil fuel power plants pay tens of millions of dollars for their fuel every year. Wind turbines and solar panels pay ZERO. Fossil fuel power plants produce millions of tons of carbon dioxide making electricity. Wind turbines and solar panels produce zero. You know this. Everyone knows this.

 

[sparky]

there is no 'clean' energy Crick

~S~

 

[Crick]

there is no 'clean' energy Crick

~S~

When did I say there was? But, with regards to CO2 emissions, there is certainly CLEANER energy.

 

[Crick]

The OP of this thread has not appeared here since Post #5 on Page 1.

Why would that be?

 

[Crick]

It is your claim that fossil fuels are being depleted.

Are you suggesting they are not? Is that your superior intelligence at work?

Enough space? Depend on if we grow food and preserve endangered species

Wind turbines rise above farmer's fields across the planet while those fields continue to produce crops and feed livestock. And if you think wind and solar are a greater risk to endangered species across this planet than the fossil fuel industry and the continued pollution and CO2 emissions it produces, you're off your fucking rocker.

The cost is STAGGERING, resulting in bankrupt companies and paying a fixed extreme rate for electricity. Endless subsidies as well

There is no such thing as a free lunch. If we had seen this problem sooner and had the balls to deal with it, it could and would have cost a great deal less. Wind and solar now both produce electricity for less than fossil plants can do so and subsidies have been for new capacity. Thirty, forty, fifty years from now the cost of electricity - whatever it may be - will be significantly less than it would have been, had we stuck with fossil fuels.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Fossil fuel power plants pay tens of millions of dollars for their fuel every year. Wind turbines and solar panels pay ZERO. Fossil fuel power plants produce millions of tons of carbon dioxide making electricity. Wind turbines and solar panels produce zero. You know this. Everyone knows this.

Why does Germany pay so much more for electricity than the US?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wind and solar now both produce electricity for less than fossil plants can do so

Can you prove that?

 

[elektra]

Wind and solar now both produce electricity for less than fossil plants can do so and subsidies have been for new capacity.Thirty, forty, fifty years from now the cost of electricity - whatever it may be - will be significantly less than it would have been, had we stuck with fossil fuels.

Bullshit. Wind and solar are subsidized.
Wind and solar are driving electricity prices higher.

Wind and solar constantly fail and require to be manufactured as fast as the fossil fuel oil industry can produce them.

When we run out of oil, it will because we produced Wind and solar panels that last 10 years and will never produce the electricity we need