The Pope Resigns. The Fall of Rome.

[konradv]

The "Fall of Rome"?

Imperial Rome, of which the Vatican is the last vestige.

Hate to break it to you, but Imperial Rome fell over 1500 years ago.

Not to be too picky, but it was only 560 years ago. If you'd asked Constantine XI who he was just before he made his final stand against the Turks during the fall of Constantinople in 1453, he'd have said "the Emperor of the Romans".

 

[Avatar4321]

Imperial Rome, of which the Vatican is the last vestige.

Hate to break it to you, but Imperial Rome fell over 1500 years ago.

Not to be too picky, but it was only 560 years ago. If you'd asked Constantine XI who he was just before he made his final stand against the Turks during the fall of Constantinople in 1453, he'd have said "the Emperor of the Romans".

But Rome itself fell 1000 years earlier after they moved the Capital to Constantinople.

 

[konradv]

Hate to break it to you, but Imperial Rome fell over 1500 years ago.

Not to be too picky, but it was only 560 years ago. If you'd asked Constantine XI who he was just before he made his final stand against the Turks during the fall of Constantinople in 1453, he'd have said "the Emperor of the Romans".

But Rome itself fell 1000 years earlier after they moved the Capital to Constantinople.

Well then you should go further back to when the emperors stopped living in Rome. You didn't say Rome. You said Imperial Rome. That's a state, not a city.

 

[katsung47]

759. Meteor attack and Pope’s resignation. (2/18/2013)

9 days ago, in #758, I said, “The Feds used to send out a warning to intimidate people if they felt being offended.” That I was intimidated by an earthquake one day after I paid sales tax over my inventory. Similar event took place in Russia. This time it is a meteor striking instead of earthquake.

Russian Politician Says Meteor Was U.S. Weapons Test

Washington Post) February 16, 2013

Russia’s controversial Liberal leader, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, has blamed Americans for today’s meteorite scare, local media report.

Russian Politician Says Meteor Was U.S. Weapons Test | Russian Meteorite | Fox Nation

The west corner of the island just above the epicenter is Aceh Province.

In September 2004, Yudhoyono won the president election of Indonesia. It seemed he was a US asset and had a deal with US. In December that year, US tested two new weapons in Indonesia. All imitated natural disaster. One was the Great tsunami. The epicenter was near the Aceh Province of Indonesia, some 166,000 died in that area. Obviously it aimed at the Aceh rebels – Aceh Free Army which was fighting against the government. The rebels was hit hard by that disaster and had to compromise with the government with a peace agreement later. The other one was imitating a meteor explosion.

Here is what I wrote at that time. The phenomenon is exactly the same like what happens in Russia:

, "Meteor Explodes Over Jakarta
Josh Pringle
Sunday, December 19, 2004

Astronomers say a meteor likely exploded over the Indonesian capital of Jakarta Sunday morning. Witnesses say there was a bright object with a tail of fire streaked across the sky, and then there was a loud explosion.

Untitled Document "

, "Unknown object falls on Indonesia

Meteor or bomb? Officials not sure, no injuries known
Jakarta, Indonesia (AP)

……

I believe it was an experiment of space weapon. A practice of a missile cruised in space to hit the target on earth. ….”

See whole article “356. Tsunami, flooding and meteorite (11/7/05)” at:
How FBI monitor and murder people in Political/Government Forum

I would say again that my speculation was very accurate. Eight years ago, I conclude it’s a weapon imitating meteor. Then what is it for to hit Russia this time?

I think it is for War on Iran. One day before “the meteor falling”, Russia reached an agreement with Iran.

Russia, Iran sign agreements to form “strategic partnership” as Russia sends warships to Iranian port.
In Uncategorized on February 14, 2013

Russia, Iran sign agreements to form ?strategic partnership? as Russia sends warships to Iranian port. | Joel C. Rosenberg's Blog

I allege the Feds are planning war in Mid-east (war on Iran or Syria) next month.(March) I think so not only for this “meteor attack” but also for the sudden resignation of Pope Benedict XVI. As a Pope, he has to reject any war. That's not a favor to the Neocon, especially at the eve of a war. Under the pressure of "being passed away by poor health", he retreats. He doesn't want to be another John Paul II. Or another Chavez. Pope will leave on Feb. 28. So in March, the feds would lack a strong opponent in a designated war. (see, “302. Pope's death (Continue to 261-265) (4/7/05)”.

 

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[jadeX]

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What are puritians beliefs?

Answer:
The central tenet of Puritanism was God's supreme authority over human affairs, particularly in the church, and especially as expressed in the Bible. This view led them to seek both individual and corporate conformance to the teaching of the Bible, and it led them to pursue both moral purity down to the smallest detail as well as ecclesiastical purity to the highest level.
The words of the Bible were the origin of many Puritan cultural ideals, especially regarding the roles of men and women in the community. While both sexes carried the stain of original sin, for a girl, original sin suggested more than the roster of Puritan character flaws. Eve's corruption, in Puritan eyes, extended to all women, and justified marginalizing them within churches' hierarchical structures. An example is the different ways that men and women were made to express their conversion experiences. For full membership, the Puritan church insisted not only that its congregants lead godly lives and exhibit a clear understanding of the main tenets of their Christian faith, but they also must demonstrate that they had experienced true evidence of the workings of God's grace in their souls. Only those who gave a convincing account of such a conversion could be admitted to full church membership. Women were not permitted to speak in church after 1636 (although they were allowed to engage in religious discussions outside of it, in various women-only meetings), and thus could not narrate their conversions.
On the individual level, the Puritans emphasized that each person should be continually reformed by the grace of God to fight against indwelling sin and do what is right before God. A humble and obedient life would arise for every Christian. Puritan culture emphasized the need for self-examination and the strict accounting for one's feelings as well as one's deeds. This was the center of evangelical experience, which women in turn placed at the heart of their work to sustain family life.
The Puritans tended to admire the early church fathers and quoted them liberally in their works. In addition to arming the Puritans to fight against later developments of the Roman Catholic tradition, these studies also led to the rediscovery of some ancient scruples. Chrysostom, a favorite of the Puritans, spoke eloquently against drama and other worldly endeavors, and the Puritans adopted his view when decrying what they saw as the decadent culture of England, famous at that time for its plays and bawdy London entertainments. The Pilgrims (the separatist, congregationalist Puritans who went to North America) are likewise famous for banning from their New England colonies many secular entertainments, such as games of chance, maypoles, and drama, all of which were perceived as kinds of immorality.
At the level of the church body, the Puritans believed that the worship in the church ought to be strictly regulated by what is commanded in the Bible (known as the regulative principle of worship). The Puritans condemned as idolatry many worship practices regardless of the practices' antiquity or widespread adoption among Christians, which their opponents defended with tradition. Like some of Reformed churches on the European continent, Puritan reforms were typified by a minimum of ritual and decoration and by an unambiguous emphasis on preaching. Like the early church fathers, they eliminated the use of musical instruments in their worship services, for various theological and practical reasons. Outside of church, however, Puritans were quite fond of music and encouraged it in certain ways.
Another important distinction was the Puritan approach to church-state relations. They opposed the Anglican idea of the supremacy of the monarch in the church (Erastianism), and, following Calvin, they argued that the only head of the Church in heaven or earth is Christ (not the Pope or the monarch). However, they believed that secular governors are accountable to God (not through the church, but alongside it) to protect and reward virtue, including "true religion", and to punish wrongdoers - a policy that is best described as non-interference rather than separation of church and state. The separating Congregationalists, a segment of the Puritan movement more radical than the Anglican Puritans, believed the Divine Right of Kings was heresy, a belief that became more pronounced during the reign of Charles I of England.
Other notable beliefs include:
An emphasis on private study of the Bible
A desire to see education and enlightenment for the masses (especially so they could read the Bible for themselves)
The priesthood of all believers
Simplicity in worship, the exclusion of vestments, images, candles, etc.
Did not celebrate traditional holidays that they believed to be in violation of the regulative principle of worship.
Believed the Sabbath was still obligatory for Christians, although they believed the Sabbath had been changed to Sunday
Some approved of the church hierarchy, but others sought to reform the episcopal churches on the presbyterian model. Some separatist Puritans were presbyterian, but most were congregationalists.
In addition to promoting lay education, it was important to the Puritans to have knowledgeable, educated pastors, who could read the Bible in its original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic, as well as ancient and modern church tradition and scholarly works, which were most commonly written in Latin, and so most of their divines undertook rigorous studies at the University of Oxford or the University of Cambridge before seeking ordination. Diversions for the educated included discussing the Bible and its practical applications as well as reading the classics such as Cicero, Virgil, and Ovid. They also encouraged the composition of poetry that was of a religious nature, though they eschewed religious-erotic poetry except for the Song of Solomon, which they considered magnificent poetry, without error, regulative for their sexual pleasure, and, especially, as an allegory of Christ and the Church.
In modern usage, the word puritan is often used to describe someone who has strict views on sexual morality, disapproves of recreation, and wishes to impose these beliefs on others. None of these qualities were unique to Puritanism or universally characteristic of the Puritans themselves, whose moral views and ascetic tendencies were no more unusual than those of many other Protestant reformers of their time, and who were relatively tolerant of other denominations, at least in England. The popular image is slightly more accurate as a description of Puritans in colonial America, who were among the most radical Puritans and whose social experiment took the form of a Calvinist theocracy. Puritans believed Satan was of the netherworld.

 

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[Peter Dow]

Just in case Catholic Cardinals picking a new Pope forget themselves and think themselves above their station in God's great plan for mankind, this video reminds us all, that Condoleezza Rice has come from God to save the people of the world.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWZLNeyVp2A]Condoleezza Rice from God. Catholics, know your place. - YouTube[/ame]

Unfortunately, of all the frauds known as religions, the Catholic Fraud will probably be with us the longest.

Or if Condi can't save you as a servant of God, perhaps she can as a Time Lord (Time Lady)?




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[katsung47]

634. Pope and Roman Catholic under attack (5/5/2010)

Here are some excerpts from news articles of San Jose Mercury News in recent weeks.

"Sex abuse scandal taints Palm Sunday services

....Cardinal Sean Brady.... as a youthful priest 35 years ago, had two boys sign papers not to reveal scandal. "The inquiry had the effect of shielding and prolonging the career of a priest who was exposed 15 years later as the most notorious child-abuser in the history of Irish church. But the Vatican has been buffeted by recent disclosures of inaction as well."
(New York Times, 3/30/2010)

"AP: Abuse case delayed for years

Vatican waited 12 years to defrock Arizona priest" (A.P. 4/3/2010)

"Vatican defends pope, criticizes New York Times

... an article describing failed efforts by Wisconsin church officials to persuade the Vatican to defrock a priest who had abused as many as 200 deaf boys from 1950 to 1974. The pope, then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, was head of the Vatican’s doctrinal office when the case was referred there in 1996." (New York Times, 4/2/2010)

"Pope delayed defrocking

A former East Bay priest with a long record of sexually abusing children remained in the clergy for years while then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, bucked pleas from the from the Oakland Diocese to defrock him in the 1980s, according to an A.P. report citing church documents." ([email protected] , 4/10/2010)

"Pope's link to '90s Austrian abuse case under scrutiny" (New York Times, 4/27/2010)

"News of abusive priest hit Vatican year earlier

Rome was warned of molester in '95, not '96 as claimed" (A.P. 4/23/2010)

What do you learn from these news?

1. The cases mostly took place in '80s and '90s, some even were 50 years ago.

2. Most reports target at Benedict XVI when he was a Cardinal.

3. All these news appear in later March and April. It is exactly what Vatican called as a "campaign of attacks on the pope and the church.

What is the purpose of this propaganda campaign? Since this January, the Inside group works hard to frame a drug case and then to start the war on Iran. The war effort was especially active in April. As a leader of Catholic, Pope Benedict XVI is against war. Then we saw this campaign. It lowers the moral image of the Pope. Once the war starts, his anti-war voice would be weakened. How can Vatican criticize others when its own profile is tainted?

Media played important role in propaganda for the Iraq war. Now it beats the drum again for another war.

 

[hoosier88]

The "Fall of Rome"?

Imperial Rome, of which the Vatican is the last vestige.

(My bold)

Nah, that would have been the Byzantine Empire, which chugged along for another 1,000 years. But what's a millenium among Christians, eh?

Of course, they did argue over who carried on the Roman tradition best. I say - last man standing gets the prize.

 

[katsung47]

New Pope Francis is a recruited informant works for the US intelligence. He is selected to replace Benedict XVI for the coming Iran war.

New Pope just an Illuminati thug

Wikileaks and the new Pope


16.03.2013

Relationship with dictatorship

Born in 1936, Bergoglio was 40 when the Argentine military forcibly deposed the government of Isabel Perón and established a military dictatorship. Cardinal Bergoglio, like many religious figures of similar age, is accused of not having worked to prevent the deaths of more than 30,000 Argentines - many of them leftists - between the years 1976 and 1983.

Bergoglio would have especially failed in not protecting the lives of two colleagues from the Jesuit order who were opponents of the Argentine dictatorship. Orlando Yorio and Francisco Jalics were taken to the School of Mechanical Armada (ESMA) on May 23, 1976, where they were imprisoned and tortured by the bodies of the repressive government of Jorge Videla, as told in the book "The Silence" by journalist Horacio Verbitsky.

New Pope just an Illuminati thug

 

[Peter Dow]

The "Fall of Rome"?

Imperial Rome, of which the Vatican is the last vestige.

(My bold)

Nah, that would have been the Byzantine Empire, which chugged along for another 1,000 years. But what's a millenium among Christians, eh?

Of course, they did argue over who carried on the Roman tradition best. I say - last man standing gets the prize.

Well didn't the Roman Empire convert to Catholicism governed from Rome, as part of the Roman Empire?

Certainly the Vatican and its Pope is still standing in Rome and so ought you not say that the Vatican should get the prize of being named "the last vestige of Imperial Rome"?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

New Pope Francis is a recruited informant works for the US intelligence. He is selected to replace Benedict XVI for the coming Iran war.

Eat a dick

 

[katsung47]

Peace loving Pope are hated by the US tyrants. There was proof.

302. Pope's death (Continue to 261-265) (4/7/05)

Another two of great prophecy of Anthony Carr came into true. The death of Pope and a big earthquake. (Though the earthquake didn't take place in Italy, it took place in Indonesia and caused a tsunami.)

In World Journal, there were five pictures. Anthony Carr made many prophecies. But those five with pictures obviously were particularly picked up by intelligence to impress people. I think these were the most important projects of Inside Group. (The collapse of Eiffel Tower; earthquake in Rome; the death of Pope, Senator Edward Kennedy, and Prince of Monaco - Albert.

I found four out of five were related to Iraq war. Senator Edward Kennedy, Pope John Paul and France were three strong opposers to the Iraq war. An earthquake in Rome would also affected Vatican. Inside Group intended to create a situation that Vatican were punished by God with the suffering of natural disaster and death of Pope.
John Paul expressed his anti-war opinion as early as in 2001.

Re: Ex-envoy: Pope was champion of peace
Eric Gorski Denver Post Staff Writer

Coloradan Jim Nicholson met with Pope John Paul II on Sept. 13, 2001, at Castel Gandolfo, the pontiff's summer palace outside Rome. During that summit, the pope decried the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks as an attack not just on the United States but on humanity, Nicholson recalled.
But John Paul II vociferously opposed a U.S. strike on Iraq, sending an emissary to Washington in the run-up to the war in a failed attempt to sway President Bush.

<http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2797231,00.html>

Since then, Roman Catholic had a three years long intensify trouble in US. Many sex scandals were revealed. Roman Catholic were humiliated. Priests were sentenced and fined. When I read such kind of news one after another, I realize it was a revenge and blackmail. Those sex scandal cases were mostly happened decades ago. Now all of a sudden, they were poured out like a big wave. But Pope didn't bent. He insisted his opinion.

Pope to Bush: Go into Iraq and you go without God
By CHB Staff and Wire Reports
Mar 5, 2003, 07:18

Pope John Paul II has a strong message for President George W. Bush: God is not on your side if you invade Iraq.

Laghi came bearing the pope's message: A war would be a "defeat for humanity" and would be neither morally nor legally justified.
The Pope also questioned the President's statements invoking God's name as justification for the invasion.
"God is a neutral observer in the affairs of man," the Pope said. "Man cannot march into war and assume God will be at his side."
"It's illegal, it's unjust," Laghi told reporters after the session with Bush.

In a May visit to the Vatican, Bush told the pope he was "concerned" about the Catholic church's standing in America, where the church has been rocked by sex-abuse scandal.

<http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=15&num=1883>

You can see how Bush extorted Pope with sex scandal.

So when the newspaper reported the Anthony Carr's prophecy, I knew it was the project of inside group. They think they are the real God and punish people who do not obey to them.
There was trace that Pope was poisoned and suffered EM wave shooting in his final days. My condolence to John Paul. He is the victim of Inside group.