Zone1 The Protestant Jesus and the Catholic Jesus

[ESay]

70 AD

It is not what I would describe as collapse.

 

[Ace Nova]

He didn't die for us. Or, strictly speaking, he died for us in the sense of dying for his beliefs to improve and clean up the corrupted priesthood. But then again, his teaching was aimed on the Jews.

Jesus' teachings were intended to streamline and teach Judaic scripture that had not been added to by a Prophet for close to 500 years at the time but had hundreds of "laws and rituals" added to it by the Jewish religious leaders during that time period. It had become completely bloated with ritual laws that could take hours some days to complete - which led many Jews to become indifferent to it - it had become a "choir" with little to no communication with God for many Jews at the time. This also led to an even greater divide between the Pharisees, the Saducees and the Essenes - all teaching their own "translations" laws, rituals, etc - which led to even further confusion and isolation for many.

"Jesus did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it." As far as who Jesus was "speaking up against (if anyone) it would have likely been the Roman occupation at the time. It wasn't until Paul got involved later - a Roman himself, potentially influenced by other "pro Roman" cults that any sort of "Anti-Judaism" sentiment came around. Peter, on the other hand, was adamant that they still call themselves Jews and wanted any new disciple to go through the process of studying The Old Testament first.

 

[luiza]

The Essene monk Jesus became a zealot after the death of his cousin .

He got his due deserts and the Jews crucified him .

James,. Peter and Paul tried to resurrect a failed story and managed to fool Cultists until fairly recently .
Now the Cult is fading with no possible happy ending .

 

[irosie91]

The Essene monk Jesus became a zealot after the death of his cousin .

He got his due deserts and the Jews crucified him .

James,. Peter and Paul tried to resurrect a failed story and managed to fool Cultists until fairly recently .
Now the Cult is fading with no possible happy ending .

there is absolutely no evidence that Jesus was an Essene. He was crucified by the Romans because he was a Pharisee jew. Were you
the valedictorian of your jelly-bean class? Peter and Paul did not even get along----or so the legend goes

 

[luiza]

there is absolutely no evidence that Jesus was an Essene. He was crucified by the Romans because he was a Pharisee jew. Were you
the valedictorian of your jelly-bean class? Peter and Paul did not even get along----or so the legend goes

To the contrary , there is a mass of evidence .
All you mean is that you have not researched , or choose to ignore it .

Pharisee , Schmarisee or Space Alien figure head -- it does not matter .
Jews murdered someone whom the Cultists then pretended was the Son of Universe .

And whether Peter and Paul got on is irrelevant . With James , the three of them invented the Cult which is now being dissolved as we are growing spiritually and moving houses within the zodiac .

PS , I accept that Constantine glued it hard later, but that was for self protection and then sold to the Sheeple as the result of divine revelation before battle .
Naturally Sheeple loved this False Flag -- ever receptive to a good piece of Fake News .
Similar in overall design to the False Flag they created to seal Trump's election .
Sheeple just love tales involving death and a narrow escape from death .

 

[irosie91]

To the contrary , there is a mass of evidence .
All you mean is that you have not researched , or choose to ignore it .

Pharisee , Schmarisee or Space Alien figure head -- it does not matter .
Jews murdered someone whom the Cultists then pretended was the Son of Universe .

And whether Peter and Paul got on is irrelevant . With James , the three of them invented the Cult which is now being dissolved as we are growing spiritually and moving houses with the zodiac ,

oh there is EVIDENCE-----what evidence? Jesus had nothing to do with the Essenes-----he was a very typical GALILEAN PHARISEE---as was his cousin John the mikveh man. They were murdered as were thousands of other Pharisees ----by the Romans and their shills. Peter and Paul and the Mysterious James did invent but the real INVENTER is constantine. Peter, Paul and James (whoever he was) were doing what they considered good. Constantine did that which was good for Constantine

 

[Meriweather]

"Jesus did not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it." As far as who Jesus was "speaking up against (if anyone) it would have likely been the Roman occupation at the time. It wasn't until Paul got involved later - a Roman himself, potentially influenced by other "pro Roman" cults that any sort of "Anti-Judaism" sentiment came around. Peter, on the other hand, was adamant that they still call themselves Jews and wanted any new disciple to go through the process of studying The Old Testament first.

Another vital point in Jesus' teaching is that sins are forgiven--it is repentance/turning away from sin for the forgiveness of sins. Peter's advice was sound. People do need to have a thorough understanding of the Old Testament to follow God's plan of salvation and redemption. Matthew understood this too. His Gospel uses the Old Testament as a foreshadowing of the New Testament, and might be considered a crash course (or CliffsNotes) of the Old Testament. Still, there is nothing like doing a complete and thorough study of the Old Testament, no matter how long that takes.

 

[Ace Nova]

Another vital point in Jesus' teaching is that sins are forgiven--it is repentance/turning away from sin for the forgiveness of sins. Peter's advice was sound. People do need to have a thorough understanding of the Old Testament to follow God's plan of salvation and redemption. Matthew understood this too. His Gospel uses the Old Testament as a foreshadowing of the New Testament, and might be considered a crash course (or CliffsNotes) of the Old Testament. Still, there is nothing like doing a complete and thorough study of the Old Testament, no matter how long that takes.

Perfect.

 

[surada]

I saw a cartoon once.. I think it was the Simpson's where there was a Protestant Heaven and a Catholic one

LOL

But yeh, no wonder people make fun of religion. There is no unity. You have the Protestant version of Jesus and the Catholic one and no one knows where the Church is, the original one Christ founded. Well, some of us do. But few listen to us.

So yeh... Is it in the Bible that God is not the author of confusion? I've read the entire Bible and it seems that was said there but it could be I was reading some Bible commentator of another?

Anyway--------

There is no Catholic Heaven v Protestant Heaven. If you feel hatred toward someone in the other camp, maybe God doesn't like that?

Hmmmm

Both versions were written by men.

 

[surada]

It is not what I would describe as collapse.

Really? What would you call it?

 

[surada]

No, you don't. You worship your organization. You bow down to idols

That's really uncalled for.

 

[surada]

To the contrary , there is a mass of evidence .
All you mean is that you have not researched , or choose to ignore it .

Pharisee , Schmarisee or Space Alien figure head -- it does not matter .
Jews murdered someone whom the Cultists then pretended was the Son of Universe .

And whether Peter and Paul got on is irrelevant . With James , the three of them invented the Cult which is now being dissolved as we are growing spiritually and moving houses within the zodiac .

PS , I accept that Constantine glued it hard later, but that was for self protection and then sold to the Sheeple as the result of divine revelation before battle .
Naturally Sheeple loved this False Flag -- ever receptive to a good piece of Fake News .
Similar in overall design to the False Flag they created to seal Trump's election .
Sheeple just love tales involving death and a narrow escape from death .

I've never seen any proof that Jesus was an Essene. Never. They separated themselves... Jesus was in Galilee and Capernaum and around the Decapolis.

 

[ESay]

Really? What would you call it?

Don't know. A major blow, or something like that. Collapse is what happened with Zoroastrianism in Iran.

 

[forkintheroad7]

there is absolutely no evidence that Jesus was an Essene. He was crucified by the Romans because he was a Pharisee jew. Were you
the valedictorian of your jelly-bean class? Peter and Paul did not even get along----or so the legend goes

They likely got along most of the time. but anyhow, I know or suspect the religion of others here, but not yours..

Were you ever Catholic?

 

[irosie91]

They likely got along most of the time. but anyhow, I know or suspect the religion of others here, but not yours..

Were you ever Catholic?

OH GAWD I am a suspect----does Torquemada know?

 

[surada]

They likely got along most of the time. but anyhow, I know or suspect the religion of others here, but not yours..

Were you ever Catholic?

Jesus wasn't an Essene.

Essene | Dead Sea Scrolls, Qumran, Judaism | Britannica

Essene, member of a religious sect or brotherhood that flourished in Palestine from about the 2nd century bc to the end of the 1st century ad. The New Testament does not mention them and accounts given by Josephus, Philo of Alexandria, and Pliny the Elder sometimes differ in significant details,

www.britannica.com

 

[forkintheroad7]

OH GAWD I am a suspect----does Torquemada know?

um .. what?

 

[irosie91]

Jesus wasn't an Essene.

Essene | Dead Sea Scrolls, Qumran, Judaism | Britannica

Essene, member of a religious sect or brotherhood that flourished in Palestine from about the 2nd century bc to the end of the 1st century ad. The New Testament does not mention them and accounts given by Josephus, Philo of Alexandria, and Pliny the Elder sometimes differ in significant details,

www.britannica.com

his cousin---john the mikveh man may have been an essene----always jumping
into water. Jesus was a typical Pharisee of his time

 

[Woodznutz]

his cousin---john the mikveh man may have been an essene----always jumping
into water. Jesus was a typical Pharisee of his time

There is no evidence that Jesus was a Pharisee.

 

[irosie91]

There is no evidence that Jesus was a Pharisee.

Lots---read the book again