The REAL History of Slavery

[Publius1787]

The REAL History of Slavery

Pure academic genius that flies in the face of liberal academia and explains reason how and why race hustlers use slavery to score a political advantage. Enjoy this audiobook chapter by Thomas Sowell as you post in this forum.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao7FKReHYKY]The Real History Of Slavery - YouTube[/ame]

 

[jwoodie]

Slavery existed for thousands of years, but those who considered their slaves to be subhuman concubines deserve special condemnation.

 

[konradv]

Haven't had two+ hours to devote to watching the video, but if he doesn't highlight that in the past slavery was usually the result of war, debt, criminality or religion and that in the Americas race was added into the equation, a problem we're still dealing with today, then his analysis is just so much BS.

 

[JakeStarkey]

John Hope Franklin is the author one wants to read about slavery.

https://www.google.com/#gs_rn=22&gs...69,d.cGE&fp=60c313ef8cdd4a3c&biw=1032&bih=428

 

[whitehall]

Every society in history has been enslaved at one time or another. The Confederacy only lasted for about four years but the under educated pop-culture has been taught to focus the hatred on the Confederate flag. Sadly, it was the British Union Jack and the fledgling American Flag that flew off the stern of slave ships for two hundred years.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Absolutely true, and it was the Confederate flag that wanted to perpetuate the legacy through the 19th century and into the 20th. The hatred is well earned.

 

[whitehall]

Absolutely true, and it was the Confederate flag that wanted to perpetuate the legacy through the 19th century and into the 20th. The hatred is well earned.

There was a time when Americans were at peace with the incredible carnage of the Civil War and the Confederate flag was a symbol of sadness and loss and yet courage and pride. The ACLU sued to allow the Stars and Stripes to be used as a symbol of anarchy and to be burned in the streets and desecrated but Americans recovered their pride. Weak and cowardly social misfits directed the hatred on the Confederate flag in the latter half of the 20th century and stupid weak liberals managed to bury their intellect and blame the Confederate battle flag for all the racial ills of society.

 

[Publius1787]

Haven't had two+ hours to devote to watching the video, but if he doesn't highlight that in the past slavery was usually the result of war, debt, criminality or religion and that in the Americas race was added into the equation, a problem we're still dealing with today, then his analysis is just so much BS.

All of those issues addressed.
1. He proves that the primary factor of the institution of slavery had nothing to do with skin color but simply the strong taking liberties with the weak. Likewise, cultural, and religious factors played a role.
2. He proves that British imperialism was the major contributor to the end of slavery.
3. He shows how race peddlers aren't giving us the full story on slavery so that they can use the issue advance a political agenda of race based privilege.

 

[Publius1787]

John Hope Franklin is the author one wants to read about slavery.

https://www.google.com/#gs_rn=22&gs...69,d.cGE&fp=60c313ef8cdd4a3c&biw=1032&bih=428

Studied his work extensively years back in college. Of course, he wrote the textbook. I found the last few chapters of his African American History text intellectually flawed though. The fact that he skips over the racist history of some black organizations like SNCC (After the purge) along with dubious associations didn't impress me either. It was furthermore lacking in heavy analysis, but hey, it was a textbook. The worst thing about his textbook is that he speaks of the 8 to 12 million slaves that were trafficked across the Atlantic but gives no number of how many the US imported. That number was up to 300,000 (Most of them illegally smuggled). An additional 300,000 while we were British. Indeed, 2.5% of the slaves trafficked made it into the US. 5% if your adding when we were British. Less than that if you count those who were simply moved from one nation to the next many years after the original trip. His textbook, however, leads us to believe that we were a major player when we were relatively low traffic importers. I can think of no other reason than to stoke an more evil narrative.

 

[Publius1787]

Every society in history has been enslaved at one time or another. The Confederacy only lasted for about four years but the under educated pop-culture has been taught to focus the hatred on the Confederate flag. Sadly, it was the British Union Jack and the fledgling American Flag that flew off the stern of slave ships for two hundred years.

Indeed, the LEGAL importation of slaves only lasted from 1775 to 1808 in the United States. The other 300,000, proceeding the previous 300,000 were illegally imported up until the Civil War, many by Northern vessels out of NY. Weird huh? In Franklyn's African American History book, he talks about the millions of slaves brought to the "Americas." I am certain he did this as to grant the illusion that America had a heavy hand in importing the 8 to 12 million slaves across the Atlantic. In reality it was at most 300,000 after the founding of the US and 300,000 before.

 

[konradv]

Haven't had two+ hours to devote to watching the video, but if he doesn't highlight that in the past slavery was usually the result of war, debt, criminality or religion and that in the Americas race was added into the equation, a problem we're still dealing with today, then his analysis is just so much BS.

All of those issues addressed.
1. He proves that the primary factor of the institution of slavery had nothing to do with skin color but simply the strong taking liberties with the weak. Likewise, cultural, and religious factors played a role.
2. He proves that British imperialism was the major contributor to the end of slavery.
3. He shows how race peddlers aren't giving us the full story on slavery so that they can use the issue advance a political agenda of race based privilege.

SO..., nothing about how race was thrown into mix and we're still suffering from its effects to this day? The notion that skin color had nothing to with slavery in the New World is ludicrous. My comments stand.

 

[Osomir]

The problem with ignoring the racial aspects of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade is that race eventually became a very strong justification in the utilization of slavery institutions once African populations converted to Christianity. Before it was the heathen being enslaved, once they converted there needed to be a new social justification and that boiled down to race. And while religious dialogues did exist in strength in North America, ours eventually really turned more towards a dialogue regarding racial inequality; one that persisted for a long time and one that we are still dealing with today (though not as heavily).

It may not have started off as a simple black and white thing, but that's largely where it ended; and thus became its social legacy within our country.

The same was true for other big social issues at the time too such as apartheid in South Africa. While religious institutions were vital in starting it, the church eventually had to turn against it and it morphed much more so into a social issue surrounding the non-religious concept of race.

 

[mudwhistle]

Absolutely true, and it was the Confederate flag that wanted to perpetuate the legacy through the 19th century and into the 20th. The hatred is well earned.

Yup, those Democrats have been pushing slavery in one form or another in America for hundreds of years. The South had been traditionally Democrat all along. Then the racial hatred shifted to the Northeast, Chicago, and the West Coast the Dems have shifted out of the South and are trying to spread their brand of racism over all of the states. It's like the aliens from the movie "Independence Day". They're like locusts laying waste to everything they touch, then they move on leaving nothing but chaos behind. They've been working on Flor-i-duh for some time but Texas is next in their sites.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Absolutely true, and it was the Confederate flag that wanted to perpetuate the legacy through the 19th century and into the 20th. The hatred is well earned.

. . . and the Confederate flag was a symbol of sadness and loss and yet courage and pride.

Every flag of the CSA, political and military, has been the symbol of loss and life and as hatred of the real flag, Old Glory, and all the patriots' sacrifice for it.

 

[Jimmy_Jam]

It may not have started off as a simple black and white thing, but that's largely where it ended; and thus became its social legacy within our country.

This is a valid point. Slavery evolved into a thing of race over time.

I sometimes ponder how much the "shrinking world" concepts affected this evolution. Archaic globalization refers to events of cultural integration prior to about 1600. It was around this time that widespread global travel began to truly blossom. Slavery in the old world prior to this was truly old school. Your slaves were slaves as a matter more of social status than ethnicity. What's more, they were local, not from the other side of the world.

Once globalization passed out of this archaic stage, enormous sections of the continent of Africa were exploited, and suddenly slaves were these dark-skinned people from far away, and so ethnically and culturally different, and that became their new identity.

 

[Zona]

So the whites didn't own blacks here in America?

 

[konradv]

So the whites didn't own blacks here in America?

We keep getting stories about New World slavery not being about race and get examples of blacks owning blacks and Native Americans owning blacks. If y'all really want me to believe it, I want an example of blacks owning whites in the Americas.

 

[JakeStarkey]

New World slavery was about color, period.

No excuse, Mr. and Mrs. and Miss Simple.

 

[squeeze berry]

Haven't had two+ hours to devote to watching the video, but if he doesn't highlight that in the past slavery was usually the result of war, debt, criminality or religion and that in the Americas race was added into the equation, a problem we're still dealing with today, then his analysis is just so much BS.

All of those issues addressed.
1. He proves that the primary factor of the institution of slavery had nothing to do with skin color but simply the strong taking liberties with the weak. Likewise, cultural, and religious factors played a role.
2. He proves that British imperialism was the major contributor to the end of slavery.
3. He shows how race peddlers aren't giving us the full story on slavery so that they can use the issue advance a political agenda of race based privilege.

SO..., nothing about how race was thrown into mix and we're still suffering from its effects to this day? The notion that skin color had nothing to with slavery in the New World is ludicrous. My comments stand.

sure it was about race.

The only slaves being sold were black africans by black africans.Africa was one huge slave market

 

[JakeStarkey]

All of those issues addressed.
1. He proves that the primary factor of the institution of slavery had nothing to do with skin color but simply the strong taking liberties with the weak. Likewise, cultural, and religious factors played a role.
2. He proves that British imperialism was the major contributor to the end of slavery.
3. He shows how race peddlers aren't giving us the full story on slavery so that they can use the issue advance a political agenda of race based privilege.

SO..., nothing about how race was thrown into mix and we're still suffering from its effects to this day? The notion that skin color had nothing to with slavery in the New World is ludicrous. My comments stand.

sure it was about race.

The only slaves being sold were black africans by black africans.Africa was one huge slave market

Another racist comment by Squeezeberry, becuase the first paragraph of his link to the African slave trade pointed out the Portuguese were up to their hips in the slave trade in the 15th century.

Your types of comments by reactionaries like you and Ernie S. and Yurt and so on are why you are becoming increasingly irrelevant in American life and politics.