The Republicans (RINOs) are going to completely screw us again with the senate border bill

Because walls work so well. Ask the Israelis


Actually, walls work fine in Israel. If the Democrat Party funded Iranians weren't behind Hamas with massive weaponry, the situation in Gaza would have never spun out of control.

Walls are a proven technology, used by the Chinese, as well as Romans like Hadrian since antiquity. That's why the US government erected walls at Florence and other US penitentiaries.
 
I'm not a fan but at least Mike Lee laid out how the swamp is the swamp. And why everyday Americans and even the people we elect, really have no say in Washington.....The Firm is a fine name for it.
I'm a huge fan of Mike Lee. Not sure what you could have against him.
 


From Senator Mike Lee:

"Earlier today, a reporter standing outside the Senate chamber told me that, after four months of secrecy, The Firm™? plans to release the text of the $106 billion supplemental aid / border-security package—possibly as soon as tomorrow.

Wasting no time, she then asked, “if you get the bill by tomorrow, will you be ready to vote on it by Tuesday?”

The words “hell no” escaped my mouth before I could stop them. Those are strong words where I come from. (Sorry, Mom).

The reporter immediately understood that my frustration was not directed at her.

Rather, it was directed at the Law Firm of Schumer & McConnell (“The Firm™?”), which is perpetually trying to normalize a corrupt approach to legislating—in which The Firm™?

(1) spends months drafting legislation in complete secrecy,

(2) aggressively markets that legislation based not on its details and practical implications (good and bad), but only on its broadest, least-controversial objectives,

(3) lets members see bill text for the first time only a few days (sometimes a few hours) before an arbitrary deadline imposed by The Firm™? itself, always with a contrived sense of urgency, and then

(4) forces a vote on the legislation on or before that deadline, denying senators any real opportunity to read, digest, and debate the measure on its merits, much less introduce, consider, and vote on amendments to fix any perceived problems with the bill or otherwise improve it.

Whenever The Firm™? engages in this practice, it largely excludes nearly every senator from the constitutionally prescribed process in which all senators are supposed to participate.

By so doing, The Firm™? effectively disenfranchises hundreds of millions of Americans—at least for purposes relevant to the legislation at hand—and that’s tragic.

It’s also unAmerican, uncivil, uncollegial, and really uncool.

So why does The Firm™? do it?

Every time The Firm™? utilizes this approach and the bill passes—and it nearly always does—The Firm™? becomes more powerful.

The high success rate is largely attributable to the fact that The Firm™? has become very adept at (a) enlisting the help of the (freakishly cooperative) news media, (b) exerting peer pressure in a way that makes what you experienced in middle school look mild by comparison, and (c) rewarding those who consistently vote with The Firm™? with various privileges that The Firm™? is uniquely capable of offering (committee assignments, help with campaign fundraising, and a whole host of other widely coveted things that The Firm™? is free to distribute in any manner it pleases).

It’s through this process that The Firm™? passes most major spending legislation.

It’s through this process that The Firm™? likely intends to pass the still-secret, $106 billion supplemental aid / border-security package, which The Firm™? has spent four months negotiating, with the luxury of obsessing over every sentence, word, period, and comma.

I still don’t know exactly what’s in this bill, although I have serious concerns with it based on the few details The Firm™? has been willing to share.

But under no circumstances should this bill — which would fund military operations in three distant parts of the world and make massive, permanent changes to immigration law — be passed next week.

Nor should it be passed until we have had adequate time to read the bill, discuss it with constituents, debate it, offer amendments, and vote on those amendments.

There’s no universe in which those things will happen by next week.

Depending on how long it is and the complexity of its provisions, the minimum period of time we should devote to this bill after it’s released should be measured in weeks or months, not days or hours."

I'm not a fan but at least Mike Lee laid out how the swamp is the swamp. And why everyday Americans and even the people we elect, really have no say in Washington.....The Firm is a fine name for it.

And Eye Patch McCain has nothing to say about the House Border Security bill, HR2, being buried under the senate building by Chuck Schumer for the last eight months. Schumer has sat on a border security bill since May of last year. Go fuck yourself, Eye Patch.

While Crenshaw is correct, I understand the sentiment of and logic of Mike Lee. This is no way to pass legislation for the country, and there is no way on earth to read, analyze and digest the scope of bills, released with short notice, before somebody (the firm?) pushes the vote, and without public access to even read the legislation.
 
Riddle me this, libs.

If the Trump Program at the border wasn't working, why has the number of Illegals skyrocketed during the reign of Sleepy Joe?

Of course, walls work. And the stay in Mexico policy of America led to Mexico establishing a "stay in Guatemala" program on their own southern border. No caravans going through Mexico from points south until Sleepy Joe took the helm and opened the border.
 
Because walls work so well. Ask the Israelis
They worked just fine for the Israelis and the Egyptians and the Chinese and a whole host of other countries.

Do you expect illegals to start hang gliding into the US?
 
He was part of the Cruz/Romney/Lee cabal that tried stealing the nomination from Trump after he gained the necessary delegates to win.
I've never heard that. Mike Lee is one of the smartest, most honest and most direct of Senators. He's also completely faithful to the US Constitution, which he is an expert of. I can see why he might take issue with Trump's bombastic personality. I don't think Trump is the best choice for POTUS now, either. He comes with waaaaaaaay too many self imposed distractions. But as Mike Lee is most certainly going to do, I'll support Trump because there is no other choice.
 
I've never heard that. Mike Lee is one of the smartest, most honest and most direct of Senators. He's also completely faithful to the US Constitution, which he is an expert of. I can see why he might take issue with Trump's bombastic personality. I don't think Trump is the best choice for POTUS now, either. He comes with waaaaaaaay too many self imposed distractions.
Fair enough.
 
Biden didn't create this crisis.
Trump created it by not reforming immigration laws 7 years go.

These people are going to come whether we want them to or not.
Because even with the most draconian laws, what they are running from is far worse than what they are running towards
Trump had the border sealed with ALL "encounters" sent to Mexico to wait for their hearing date. It worked perfectly.
There is no need to reform anything, except to eliminate "asylum" as an excuse to enter the US.

Let them come. They can all be sent back to Mexico.
 
I've never heard that. Mike Lee is one of the smartest, most honest and most direct of Senators. He's also completely faithful to the US Constitution, which he is an expert of. I can see why he might take issue with Trump's bombastic personality. I don't think Trump is the best choice for POTUS now, either. He comes with waaaaaaaay too many self imposed distractions. But as Mike Lee is most certainly going to do, I'll support Trump because there is no other choice.

All distractions created by the left, for that exact reason, to make it seem like he is the chaos. They are creating the chaos, not him.
 
All distractions created by the left, for that exact reason, to make it seem like he is the chaos. They are creating the chaos, not him.
I cannot agree with this though I certainly agree the left turns everything in their grasp into a hysterical mountain. Trump gives them plenty of fodder though. He doesn't have to do this and IMHO, he would succeed much more if he didn't. And our country would be better off for it.
 
More importantly, it increases the number of asylum officers and judges, to resolve cases more quickly.
This is exactly why we shouldn't support that bill. We have a crisis of too many illegals that want and expect (thank you ,democrats) too much from a country that can't even adequately take care of their own and is 34 trillion dollars in debt.
 
I cannot agree with this though I certainly agree the left turns everything in their grasp into a hysterical mountain. Trump gives them plenty of fodder though. He doesn't have to do this and IMHO, he would succeed much more if he didn't. And our country would be better off for it.

He stokes it, but he is not the source of it. He fights back, which none of the other R pols do, and that's what draws people to support him. If DeSantis got more air time, and fought back against the left with as much intent as Trump did, I think he'd be leading right now. The 'media' doesn't want that, they want the Trump circus show and they decide what and who gets airtime, and what is aired about them.
 
They worked just fine for the Israelis and the Egyptians and the Chinese and a whole host of other countries.

Do you expect illegals to start hang gliding into the US?
I guess you missed the whole Gaza/Hamas thing.

Tunnels, torches, ladders, explosives…
 


From Senator Mike Lee:

"Earlier today, a reporter standing outside the Senate chamber told me that, after four months of secrecy, The Firm™? plans to release the text of the $106 billion supplemental aid / border-security package—possibly as soon as tomorrow.

Wasting no time, she then asked, “if you get the bill by tomorrow, will you be ready to vote on it by Tuesday?”

The words “hell no” escaped my mouth before I could stop them. Those are strong words where I come from. (Sorry, Mom).

The reporter immediately understood that my frustration was not directed at her.

Rather, it was directed at the Law Firm of Schumer & McConnell (“The Firm™?”), which is perpetually trying to normalize a corrupt approach to legislating—in which The Firm™?

(1) spends months drafting legislation in complete secrecy,

(2) aggressively markets that legislation based not on its details and practical implications (good and bad), but only on its broadest, least-controversial objectives,

(3) lets members see bill text for the first time only a few days (sometimes a few hours) before an arbitrary deadline imposed by The Firm™? itself, always with a contrived sense of urgency, and then

(4) forces a vote on the legislation on or before that deadline, denying senators any real opportunity to read, digest, and debate the measure on its merits, much less introduce, consider, and vote on amendments to fix any perceived problems with the bill or otherwise improve it.

Whenever The Firm™? engages in this practice, it largely excludes nearly every senator from the constitutionally prescribed process in which all senators are supposed to participate.

By so doing, The Firm™? effectively disenfranchises hundreds of millions of Americans—at least for purposes relevant to the legislation at hand—and that’s tragic.

It’s also unAmerican, uncivil, uncollegial, and really uncool.

So why does The Firm™? do it?

Every time The Firm™? utilizes this approach and the bill passes—and it nearly always does—The Firm™? becomes more powerful.

The high success rate is largely attributable to the fact that The Firm™? has become very adept at (a) enlisting the help of the (freakishly cooperative) news media, (b) exerting peer pressure in a way that makes what you experienced in middle school look mild by comparison, and (c) rewarding those who consistently vote with The Firm™? with various privileges that The Firm™? is uniquely capable of offering (committee assignments, help with campaign fundraising, and a whole host of other widely coveted things that The Firm™? is free to distribute in any manner it pleases).

It’s through this process that The Firm™? passes most major spending legislation.

It’s through this process that The Firm™? likely intends to pass the still-secret, $106 billion supplemental aid / border-security package, which The Firm™? has spent four months negotiating, with the luxury of obsessing over every sentence, word, period, and comma.

I still don’t know exactly what’s in this bill, although I have serious concerns with it based on the few details The Firm™? has been willing to share.

But under no circumstances should this bill — which would fund military operations in three distant parts of the world and make massive, permanent changes to immigration law — be passed next week.

Nor should it be passed until we have had adequate time to read the bill, discuss it with constituents, debate it, offer amendments, and vote on those amendments.

There’s no universe in which those things will happen by next week.

Depending on how long it is and the complexity of its provisions, the minimum period of time we should devote to this bill after it’s released should be measured in weeks or months, not days or hours."

I'm not a fan but at least Mike Lee laid out how the swamp is the swamp. And why everyday Americans and even the people we elect, really have no say in Washington.....The Firm is a fine name for it.

And Eye Patch McCain has nothing to say about the House Border Security bill, HR2, being buried under the senate building by Chuck Schumer for the last eight months. Schumer has sat on a border security bill since May of last year. Go fuck yourself, Eye Patch.

‘Us’ as in all Americans or just the MAGA political class?
 
Trump had the border sealed with ALL "encounters" sent to Mexico to wait for their hearing date. It worked perfectly.
There is no need to reform anything, except to eliminate "asylum" as an excuse to enter the US.

Let them come. They can all be sent back to Mexico.
That’s a myth.

Illegals simply began using remote areas to cross
 
Wow, now you guys are turning on your own war heroes for not being as hateful as you are.

You have a border bill that will at least do something, that the senate will pass and the president will sign. Is this a crisis or not?
What is in the Bill that we should be so giddy about try to be specific!
 

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