The Second Law of Thermodynamics Precludes an Infinite Acting Universe

[edthecynic]

all of this can be avoided by creating matter out of nothing from a quantum tunneling event where the positive energy of the matter is balanced perfectly by the negative energy of gravity.

Again, how can positive and negative energy be nothing when energy is definitely something???

 

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Since when is ENERGY "nothing," when, in fact, energy is EVERYTHING????

[1404.1207] Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

 

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That was easy.

 

[edthecynic]

universes created withe equal amounts of matter and anti-matter.

Equal amounts of two THINGS not equal amounts of two nothings!!!

 

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There are certain things about which we can be certain. For example, we can be reasonably certain that our predictions made about the effects of force and gravity can be extremely accurate, even at vast astronomical distance.

What we can't be certain of, in fact what we do not actually understand is, how those forces actually work.

We live in a mulitdimensional universe, as many as 10 some theorize, but we are only capable of perceiving and experiencing three of those. Which means our ability to observe the universe is strictly curtailed. We can observe and accurately measure electromagnetic radiation, but we cannot perceive or measure what we refer to as "dark energy". We can only theorize its existence based on how it perturbs what we can perceive.

While it may seem paradoxical, the only thing we can truly know, is that we don't know everything.

You are so busy looking for ways we can't know things that you are ignoring the obvious; there are only two choices - the universe began or the universe has always existed - and one of them (the universe always existing) makes no sense. That the universe began is self evident because of that. Not to mention it matches every observation we make.

 

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Equal amounts of two THINGS not equal amounts of two nothings!!!

Read the paper, dummy. Or do you have a paper that says otherwise that you'd like to share?

[1404.1207] Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

 

[edthecynic]

[1404.1207] Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

You cite an ABSTRACT that proves nothing, that you don't understand!!
Thank you.

 

[edthecynic]

Read the paper, dummy. Or do you have a paper that says otherwise that you'd like to share?

[1404.1207] Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

It's an ABSTRACT not a "paper"

 

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You cite an ABSTRACT that proves nothing, that you don't understand!!
Thank you.

You can get the pdf of the paper from the link, dummy.

I did. See?

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.1207.pdf

 

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[edthecynic]

You can get the pdf of the paper from the link, dummy.

I did. See?

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.1207.pdf

Which you obviously didn't read it as nowhere does it establish the "nothingness" of energy!!!
From the link you don't understand a word of:
With the development of quantum cosmology theory, it has been suggested that the universe can be created spontaneously from nothing, where “nothing” means there is neither matter nor space or time
Notice energy is not listed as a "nothing!"

 

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Which you obviously didn't read it as nowhere does it establish the "nothingness" of energy!!!
From the link you don't understand a word of:
With the development of quantum cosmology theory, it has been suggested that the universe can be created spontaneously from nothing, where “nothing” means there is neither matter nor space or time
Notice energy is not listed as a "nothing!"

Just that the universe was spontaneously created from nothing.

 

[Indeependent]

Erev means "the day before" -- the other meaning of eve. There is also a school of thought that a homonym of erev, meaning mix, is how it came to mean the time between this day and the next.

One meaning of boker is "to inspect" which is only possible where there is light (apparently ancient Hebrews didn't have LED flashlights). We get our first light in the morning.

Erev is lack of clarity.
Boker is clarity.
Yome is a constructive period of time.

 

[fncceo]

Erev is lack of clarity.
Boker is clarity.
Yome is a constructive period of time.

Not what I learned in Hebrew School but ... since Hebrew wasn't a colloquial spoken language, even in the Jewish Community, for several thousand years a lot of the etymology is speculative.

By the way, the Hebrew word most commonly translated as "day" is Yom. יוֹם

 

[Indeependent]

Not what I learned in Hebrew School but ... since Hebrew wasn't a colloquial spoken language, even in the Jewish Community, for several thousand years a lot of the etymology is speculative.

By the way, the Hebrew word most commonly translated as "day" is Yom. יוֹם

Yes…However incorrect.
You can be 80 solar years but only “live” 20 years depending on how you live your life.
Biblical Hebrew is not colloquial Hebrew.

 

[edthecynic]

Just that the universe was spontaneously created from nothing.

Pure BULLSHIT!

 

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Pure BULLSHIT!

An interesting idea is that the universe could be spontaneously created from nothing... In this paper, we present such a proof based on the analytic solutions of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation (WDWE). Explicit solutions of the WDWE for the special operator ordering factor p=-2 (or 4) show that, once a small true vacuum bubble is created by quantum fluctuations of the metastable false vacuum, it can expand exponentially no matter whether the bubble is closed, flat or open. The exponential expansion will end when the bubble becomes large and thus the early universe appears. With the de Broglie-Bohm quantum trajectory theory, we show explicitly that it is the quantum potential that plays the role of the cosmological constant and provides the power for the exponential expansion of the true vacuum bubble. So it is clear that the birth of the early universe completely depends on the quantum nature of the theory.

[1404.1207] Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

 

[edthecynic]

An interesting idea is that the universe could be spontaneously created from nothing... In this paper, we present such a proof based on the analytic solutions of the Wheeler-DeWitt equation (WDWE). Explicit solutions of the WDWE for the special operator ordering factor p=-2 (or 4) show that, once a small true vacuum bubble is created by quantum fluctuations of the metastable false vacuum, it can expand exponentially no matter whether the bubble is closed, flat or open. The exponential expansion will end when the bubble becomes large and thus the early universe appears. With the de Broglie-Bohm quantum trajectory theory, we show explicitly that it is the quantum potential that plays the role of the cosmological constant and provides the power for the exponential expansion of the true vacuum bubble. So it is clear that the birth of the early universe completely depends on the quantum nature of the theory.

[1404.1207] Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

So you finally broke down and read at least part of it, but somehow you missed this, nowhere does it establish the "nothingness" of energy!!!
From the link you don't understand a word of:
With the development of quantum cosmology theory, it has been suggested that the universe can be created spontaneously from nothing, where “nothing” means there is neither matter nor space or time
Notice energy is not listed as a "nothing!"

 

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So you finally broke down and read at least part of it, but somehow you missed this, nowhere does it establish the "nothingness" of energy!!!
From the link you don't understand a word of:
With the development of quantum cosmology theory, it has been suggested that the universe can be created spontaneously from nothing, where “nothing” means there is neither matter nor space or time
Notice energy is not listed as a "nothing!"

You should write a scientific paper like these guys did.

[1404.1207] Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

 

[edthecynic]

You should write a scientific paper like these guys did.

[1404.1207] Spontaneous creation of the universe from nothing

Why? You wouldn't understand it any more than the paper you linked which proved energy is NOT a nothing, debunking their own unscientific paper.

From the link you don't understand a word of:
With the development of quantum cosmology theory, it has been suggested that the universe can be created spontaneously from nothing, where “nothing” means there is neither matter nor space or time

Notice energy is not listed as a "nothing!"