The Trump legal arguments involving Presidential immunity

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Wrong.

If you read the indictment(s) and comprehended what you had read...

but that appears to be asking too much of you. Which of the below are you arguing were in the scope of a president's official duties?

• one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding was brought due to the alleged organized planning by Trump and his allies to disrupt the electoral vote's certification in January 2021.
• one count of obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding is tied to Trump and his co-conspirators' alleged efforts after the November 2020 election until Jan. 7, 2021, to block the official certification proceeding in Congress.

 

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Projection.

It’s amusing to see you being a total hypocrite all the time.

You don’t even recognize how transparent it are.

As trolls go, you should.

There you go again.

can't seem to help yourself.

 

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If you read the indictment(s) and comprehended what you had read...

but that appears to be asking too much of you. Which of the below are you arguing were in the scope of a president's official duties?

• one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding was brought due to the alleged organized planning by Trump and his allies to disrupt the electoral vote's certification in January 2021.
• one count of obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding is tied to Trump and his co-conspirators' alleged efforts after the November 2020 election until Jan. 7, 2021, to block the official certification proceeding in Congress.

Again, you fail to comprehend anything you copy and paste.

Since it’s all been explained to you many times and many times over, there’s little purpose served in trying to educate you now.

Try to fathom it. Maybe get one of your attendants to assist you.

President Trump took an oath to faithfully execute our laws. To the extent that he perceives that there had been some efforts to undermine our election laws and the outcome of the election, he had a duty to try to prevent the certification of a theft.

He didn’t direct anyone in the 1/6 mob to “do” a damned thing. You moron. All he asked for was a protest. Whether you like it or not, that’s legal.

To the extent he did anything else to prevent an American election from being stolen (whether he was right in that belief or not being quite beside the point), his actions came within the ambit of his official duties. And that’s why his immunity argument is significant.

 

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President Trump took an oath to faithfully execute our laws. To the extent that he perceives that there had been some efforts to undermine our election laws and the outcome of the election, he had a duty to try to prevent the certification of a theft.

He didn’t direct anyone in the 1/6 min to “do” a damned thing. You moron. All he asked for was a protest. Whether you like it or not, that’s legal.

Calling Bullshit!

again with the Charlie Manson defense?

 

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westwall stop sniffing Dante's butt. Liability has dibs on that this week.

 

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Calling Bullshit!

again with the Charlie Manson defense?

You can call your turds a scrumptious five course meal at a 3 Star Michelin restaurant. But that won’t make it any less disgusting and wrong.

There’s no Charlie Manson defense here.

As you would know if you were honest and even slightly intelligent, prosecutor Bugliosi got Manson tried and convicted based on the fact that even though he wasn’t there, he had directed the specific behaviors.

There is zero analog for this case as it pertains to President Trump.

I wonder if you could post even a simple sentence if you weren’t relying on lies and stupidity. It seems doubtful.

 

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and there you go. Mr. Manson denied everything -- as does Mr. Trump.

and Manson was not tried and convicted for directing specific behaviors. Making shit up again?

There are multiple indictments charging Mr. Trump for directing people to do illegal shit. That is fact.

I love how you clods refer to the claims made by swallowswell as your "evidence". The same swalloswell who is a compromised congresscritter who was sleeping with a chinese spy.

Great job!

 

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and there you go. Mr. Manson denied everything -- as does Mr. Trump.

Take note of the dainty’s defense of his own mindless ramblings.

A guilty party denied his guilt. Therefore, Trump who has denied his own alleged guilt must be guilty, like Manson.

Frauds and retards like the dainty forget who else has denied guilt.

Every single innocent person ever charged with a crime.

and Manson was not tried and convicted for directing specific behaviors. Making shit up again?

Yes. He was. You moron. How can anybody (even an absolute imbecile like you) deny it? He directed the members of his family to go kill the folks at the Tate/LaBianco crime scene. Very specific directions.

Just how fucking retarded can you be and still breathe, the dainty?

There are multiple indictments charging Mr. Trump for directing people to do illegal shit. That is fact.

There are allegations. There is no actual evidence.

 

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Take note of the dainty’s defense of his own mindless ramblings.

A guilty party denied his guilt. Therefore, Trump who has denied his own alleged guilt must be guilty, like Manson.

Frauds and retards like the dainty forget who else has denied guilt.

Every single innocent person ever charged with a crime.

Yes. He was. You moron. How can anybody (even an absolute imbecile like you) deny it? He directed the members of his family to go kill the folks at the Tate/LaBianco crime scene. Very specific directions.

Just how fucking retarded can you be and still breathe, the dainty?

There are allegations. There is no actual evidence.

Liability claimed specific behaviors.

next

The fake electors case -- they're all pleading guilty

 

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Liability claimed specific behaviors.

next

The fake electors case -- they're all pleading guilty

What about the allegedly fake electors’ cases?

 

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Here's a summary of the charges Trump is facing in Washington, D.C., for attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election:

• one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States applies to Trump's repeated and widespread efforts to spread false claims about the November 2020 election while knowing they were not true and for allegedly attempting to illegally discount legitimate votes all with the goal of overturning the 2020 election, prosecutors claim in the indictment.
• one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding was brought due to the alleged organized planning by Trump and his allies to disrupt the electoral vote's certification in January 2021.
• one count of obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding is tied to Trump and his co-conspirators' alleged efforts after the November 2020 election until Jan. 7, 2021, to block the official certification proceeding in Congress.
• one count of conspiracy against rights refers to Trump and his co-conspirators alleged attempts to "oppress, threaten and intimidate" people in their right to vote in an election.

Read the full indictment below.

 

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3. The Defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the
election and even to claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the
election and that he had won. He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election
through lawful and appropriate means, such as by seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote
in states or filing lawsuits challenging ballots and procedures. Indeed, in many cases, the
Defendant did pursue these methods of contesting the election results. His efforts to change the
outcome in any state through recounts, audits, or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful.


4. Shortly after election day, the Defendant also pursued unlawful means of
discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results. In so doing, the Defendant
perpetrated three criminal conspiracies:

a. A conspiracy to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and
deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function
by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and
certified by the federal government, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371;

b. A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6 congressional
proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are
counted and certified ("the certification proceeding"), in violation of 18
U.S.C. § 1512(k);and

c. A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted, in
violation of 18 U.S.C. § 241.

Each of these conspiracies—which built on the widespread mistrust the Defendant was creating
through pervasive and destabilizing lies about election fraud—targeted a bedrock function of the
United States federal government: the nation's process of collecting, counting, and certifying the
results of the presidential election ("the federal government function").

https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf

 

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https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf

COUNT ONE
(Conspiracy to Defraud the United States—18 U.S.C. § 371)

5. The allegations contained in paragraphs 1 through 4 of this Indictment are re-
alleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

The Conspiracy

6. From on or about November 14, 2020, through on or about January 20, 2021, in the
District of Columbia and elsewhere, the Defendant, DONALD J . TRUMP,
did knowingly combine, conspire, confederate, and agree with co-conspirators, known and
unknown to the Grand Jury, to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to
impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the
presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government.
Purpose of the Conspiracy

7. The purpose of the conspiracy was to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020
presidential election by using knowingly false claims of election fraud to obstruct the federal
government function by which those results are collected, counted, and certified.
The Defendant's Co-Conspirators

8. The Defendant enlisted co-conspirators to assist him in his criminal efforts to
overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 presidential election and retain power. Among these
were:

a. Co-Conspirator 1, an attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false
claims and pursue strategies that the Defendant's 2020 re-election campaign
attorneys would not.

b. Co-Conspirator 2, an attorney who devised and attempted to implement a
strategy to leverage the Vice President's ceremonial role overseeing the
Case l:23-cr-00257-TSC Document 1 Filed 08/01/23 Page 4 of 45
certification proceeding to obstruct the certification of the presidential
election.

c. Co-Conspirator 3, an attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the
Defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded "crazy." Nonetheless,
the Defendant embraced and publicly amplified Co-Conspirator 3's
disinformation.

d. Co-Conspirator 4, a Justice Department official who worked on civil
matters and who, with the Defendant, attempted to use the Justice
Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state
legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud.

e. Co-Conspirator 5, an attorney who assisted in devising and attempting to
implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to
obstruct the certification proceeding.

f. Co-Conspirator 6, a political consultant who helped implement a plan to
submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification
proceeding.

 

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https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf

COUNT ONE
(Conspiracy to Defraud the United States—18 U.S.C. § 371)

5. The allegations contained in paragraphs 1 through 4 of this Indictment are re-
alleged and fully incorporated here by reference.

The Conspiracy

6. From on or about November 14, 2020, through on or about January 20, 2021, in the
District of Columbia and elsewhere, the Defendant, DONALD J . TRUMP,
did knowingly combine, conspire, confederate, and agree with co-conspirators, known and
unknown to the Grand Jury, to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to
impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the
presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government.
Purpose of the Conspiracy

7. The purpose of the conspiracy was to overturn the legitimate results of the 2020
presidential election by using knowingly false claims of election fraud to obstruct the federal
government function by which those results are collected, counted, and certified.
The Defendant's Co-Conspirators

8. The Defendant enlisted co-conspirators to assist him in his criminal efforts to
overturn the legitimate results of the 2020 presidential election and retain power. Among these
were:

a. Co-Conspirator 1, an attorney who was willing to spread knowingly false
claims and pursue strategies that the Defendant's 2020 re-election campaign
attorneys would not.

b. Co-Conspirator 2, an attorney who devised and attempted to implement a
strategy to leverage the Vice President's ceremonial role overseeing the
Case l:23-cr-00257-TSC Document 1 Filed 08/01/23 Page 4 of 45
certification proceeding to obstruct the certification of the presidential
election.

c. Co-Conspirator 3, an attorney whose unfounded claims of election fraud the
Defendant privately acknowledged to others sounded "crazy." Nonetheless,
the Defendant embraced and publicly amplified Co-Conspirator 3's
disinformation.

d. Co-Conspirator 4, a Justice Department official who worked on civil
matters and who, with the Defendant, attempted to use the Justice
Department to open sham election crime investigations and influence state
legislatures with knowingly false claims of election fraud.

e. Co-Conspirator 5, an attorney who assisted in devising and attempting to
implement a plan to submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to
obstruct the certification proceeding.

f. Co-Conspirator 6, a political consultant who helped implement a plan to
submit fraudulent slates of presidential electors to obstruct the certification
proceeding.

Claims, no evidence presented.

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Claims, no evidence presented.

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Evidence? It's in the courts. based on evidence. Unlike the MAGA Big Lie Election lawsuits which were laughed out of all teh courts.

 

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Evidence? It's in the courts. based on evidence. Unlike the MAGA Big Lie Election lawsuits which were laughed out of all teh courts.

No, you presented claims. The claims have no evidence presented in support.

 

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No, you presented claims. The claims have no evidence presented in support.

The government presented evidence to the courts. You dislike the evidence.

go melt elsewhere, snowflake.

 

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The government presented evidence to the courts. You dislike the evidence.

go melt elsewhere, snowflake.

No they didn't. They presented opinions. Big difference.

 

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No they didn't. They presented opinions. Big difference.

They got warrants, got into courts. all demand evidence. Opinions is what the Big Lie MAGA people tried introducing into the legal system. And as we all know, you people were laughed at and thrown out.