The truth about gun violence.

[Brain357]

Gun ownership does not effect crime rates. That said, mass killers with high capacity semi autos kill a lot more than ones with derringers.

And you would of course be lying by omission.........magazine capacity has no bearing on the ability of mass shooters to murder people.....actual research into the issue shows this...

And yet you fight to have them. Why is that? If reloading often does not slow the rate of fire you must be fine with a ban right?

49 dead and over 50 wounded says high capacity magazines help kill many really fast. Try that with a derringer.

It doesn't do a thing...you have seen the actual research...it doesn't slow down a mass shooter , it will be used to ban pistols and rifles for no reason, and it will impact the defensive use by normal, law abiding citizens......

You have seen the research that shows that the rate of fire of mass shooters does not change when they switch magazines.....and this is research that looked at real mass shootings....not fantasies you have made up in that tiny brain of yours....you have seen this research over and over and that you deny it shows you are a troll and a liar.

No I have not seen research on mass shooters not being slowed. That would be against physics. Giffords shooter sure was slowed.

 

[Brain357]

""Gun homicides in Japan
are about as common as deaths from
being struck by lightning
in the United States.
0.1 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in New Zealand
are about as common as deaths from
falling from a ladder
in the United States.
1.5 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Canada
are about as common as deaths from
alcohol poisoning
in the United States.
5.6 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in England
are about as common as deaths from
agricultural machinery accidents
in the United States.
0.9 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in the Netherlands
are about as common as deaths from
accidental gas poisoning
in the United States.
2.3 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Iceland
are about as common as deaths from
electrocution
in the United States.
0.6 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Poland
are about as common as deaths from
bicycle riders being hit by cars
in the United States.
1.1 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Scotland
are about as common as deaths from
cataclysmic storms
in the United States.
0.5 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Germany
are about as common as deaths from
thrown or falling objects
in the United States.
2.1 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Spain
are about as common as deaths from
excessive natural heat
in the United States.
1.6 deaths per million people


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/u...ates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html?_r=0

And that is a lie.........in order to get even close to car deaths you have to include suicides......

Gun murder in 2014.... 8,124...

Car deaths in 2014... 33,000

accidental death with guns in 2015... 586

Guns in private hands in 2016.... 357,000,000

It isn't even close...so you have to lie and include people using guns to commit suicide...which was just over 21,000

so that image is a lie.

Not a lie moron, those are gun deaths.

Nope...a lie......suicides are not gun murder...gun murder is exactly what is implied when you do not specify suicides are in the count...so that is a lie.........

Japan, South Korea, and China only allow criminals and cops to have guns.......and their suicide rates are higher than ours.....

One of the countries the twit lists....poland...higher suicide rate than us...

So it is a lie.....

Nobody said murder moron. They are gun deaths.

 

[2aguy]

""Gun homicides in Japan
are about as common as deaths from
being struck by lightning
in the United States.
0.1 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in New Zealand
are about as common as deaths from
falling from a ladder
in the United States.
1.5 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Canada
are about as common as deaths from
alcohol poisoning
in the United States.
5.6 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in England
are about as common as deaths from
agricultural machinery accidents
in the United States.
0.9 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in the Netherlands
are about as common as deaths from
accidental gas poisoning
in the United States.
2.3 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Iceland
are about as common as deaths from
electrocution
in the United States.
0.6 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Poland
are about as common as deaths from
bicycle riders being hit by cars
in the United States.
1.1 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Scotland
are about as common as deaths from
cataclysmic storms
in the United States.
0.5 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Germany
are about as common as deaths from
thrown or falling objects
in the United States.
2.1 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Spain
are about as common as deaths from
excessive natural heat
in the United States.
1.6 deaths per million people


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/u...ates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html?_r=0

And that is a lie.........in order to get even close to car deaths you have to include suicides......

Gun murder in 2014.... 8,124...

Car deaths in 2014... 33,000

accidental death with guns in 2015... 586

Guns in private hands in 2016.... 357,000,000

It isn't even close...so you have to lie and include people using guns to commit suicide...which was just over 21,000

so that image is a lie.

Not a lie moron, those are gun deaths.

And this is also how he lies.....these countries have higher suicide rates than we do..Poland, New Zealand, Iceland, Germany....and even Canada...have higher suicide rates than we do..........

So not telling people in the post that suicide is the majority of the deaths is a lie.....

World suicide rates by country

World suicide rates by country

Per 100,000


Hungary ... 21.0
Belgium .... 18.4
Finland... 16.5
France... 14.6
Poland... 13.8
Austria... 13.8
Czech Republic... 12.7
New Zealand.... 11.9
Denmark... 11.3
Sweden..............11.1
Norway...............10.9
Iceland................10.4
Germany.............10.3
Canada...............10.2

 

[2aguy]

""Gun homicides in Japan
are about as common as deaths from
being struck by lightning
in the United States.
0.1 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in New Zealand
are about as common as deaths from
falling from a ladder
in the United States.
1.5 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Canada
are about as common as deaths from
alcohol poisoning
in the United States.
5.6 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in England
are about as common as deaths from
agricultural machinery accidents
in the United States.
0.9 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in the Netherlands
are about as common as deaths from
accidental gas poisoning
in the United States.
2.3 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Iceland
are about as common as deaths from
electrocution
in the United States.
0.6 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Poland
are about as common as deaths from
bicycle riders being hit by cars
in the United States.
1.1 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Scotland
are about as common as deaths from
cataclysmic storms
in the United States.
0.5 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Germany
are about as common as deaths from
thrown or falling objects
in the United States.
2.1 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Spain
are about as common as deaths from
excessive natural heat
in the United States.
1.6 deaths per million people


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/u...ates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html?_r=0

And that is a lie.........in order to get even close to car deaths you have to include suicides......

Gun murder in 2014.... 8,124...

Car deaths in 2014... 33,000

accidental death with guns in 2015... 586

Guns in private hands in 2016.... 357,000,000

It isn't even close...so you have to lie and include people using guns to commit suicide...which was just over 21,000

so that image is a lie.

Not a lie moron, those are gun deaths.

Nope...a lie......suicides are not gun murder...gun murder is exactly what is implied when you do not specify suicides are in the count...so that is a lie.........

Japan, South Korea, and China only allow criminals and cops to have guns.......and their suicide rates are higher than ours.....

One of the countries the twit lists....poland...higher suicide rate than us...

So it is a lie.....

Nobody said murder moron. They are gun deaths.

Asswipe......you and he both know that anyone reading that image will just assume it is gun murder.....because they are uninformed that anti gunner like you and him lie...and you lie because the facts, the truth and reality do not support any thing you say about guns.........

 

[Brain357]

In fact, a review of 62 mass shootings between 1982 and 2012 by Mother Jones found that large capacity ammunition magazines were recovered in 50% of them.6 A review of mass shootings between January 2009 and January 2013 by Mayors Against Illegal Guns found that incidents where assault weapons or large capacity ammunition magazines were used resulted in 135% more people shot and 57% more killed, compared to other mass shootings.7

Large Capacity Magazines | Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

 

[2aguy]

Gun ownership does not effect crime rates. That said, mass killers with high capacity semi autos kill a lot more than ones with derringers.

And you would of course be lying by omission.........magazine capacity has no bearing on the ability of mass shooters to murder people.....actual research into the issue shows this...

And yet you fight to have them. Why is that? If reloading often does not slow the rate of fire you must be fine with a ban right?

49 dead and over 50 wounded says high capacity magazines help kill many really fast. Try that with a derringer.

It doesn't do a thing...you have seen the actual research...it doesn't slow down a mass shooter , it will be used to ban pistols and rifles for no reason, and it will impact the defensive use by normal, law abiding citizens......

You have seen the research that shows that the rate of fire of mass shooters does not change when they switch magazines.....and this is research that looked at real mass shootings....not fantasies you have made up in that tiny brain of yours....you have seen this research over and over and that you deny it shows you are a troll and a liar.

No I have not seen research on mass shooters not being slowed. That would be against physics. Giffords shooter sure was slowed.

No he wasn't troll...you saw the witness testimony from that as well.....it wasn't magazine changes that stopped him...it was the fact that he shot a guy in the head and just winged him......and then moved close to that guy thinking he was dead.....

Dumb luck stopped the shooting at the Gifford's rally, you have seen this over and over and now you lie about it....you are a troll and a liar.....

 

[Brain357]

""Gun homicides in Japan
are about as common as deaths from
being struck by lightning
in the United States.
0.1 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in New Zealand
are about as common as deaths from
falling from a ladder
in the United States.
1.5 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Canada
are about as common as deaths from
alcohol poisoning
in the United States.
5.6 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in England
are about as common as deaths from
agricultural machinery accidents
in the United States.
0.9 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in the Netherlands
are about as common as deaths from
accidental gas poisoning
in the United States.
2.3 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Iceland
are about as common as deaths from
electrocution
in the United States.
0.6 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Poland
are about as common as deaths from
bicycle riders being hit by cars
in the United States.
1.1 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Scotland
are about as common as deaths from
cataclysmic storms
in the United States.
0.5 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Germany
are about as common as deaths from
thrown or falling objects
in the United States.
2.1 deaths per million people

Gun homicides in Spain
are about as common as deaths from
excessive natural heat
in the United States.
1.6 deaths per million people


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/u...ates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html?_r=0

And that is a lie.........in order to get even close to car deaths you have to include suicides......

Gun murder in 2014.... 8,124...

Car deaths in 2014... 33,000

accidental death with guns in 2015... 586

Guns in private hands in 2016.... 357,000,000

It isn't even close...so you have to lie and include people using guns to commit suicide...which was just over 21,000

so that image is a lie.

Not a lie moron, those are gun deaths.

Nope...a lie......suicides are not gun murder...gun murder is exactly what is implied when you do not specify suicides are in the count...so that is a lie.........

Japan, South Korea, and China only allow criminals and cops to have guns.......and their suicide rates are higher than ours.....

One of the countries the twit lists....poland...higher suicide rate than us...

So it is a lie.....

Nobody said murder moron. They are gun deaths.

Asswipe......you and he both know that anyone reading that image will just assume it is gun murder.....because they are uninformed that anti gunner like you and him lie...and you lie because the facts, the truth and reality do not support any thing you say about guns.........

It clearly states gun deaths dipshit.

 

[2aguy]

In fact, a review of 62 mass shootings between 1982 and 2012 by Mother Jones found that large capacity ammunition magazines were recovered in 50% of them.6 A review of mass shootings between January 2009 and January 2013 by Mayors Against Illegal Guns found that incidents where assault weapons or large capacity ammunition magazines were used resulted in 135% more people shot and 57% more killed, compared to other mass shootings.7

And they are lying.......

 

[2aguy]

And that is a lie.........in order to get even close to car deaths you have to include suicides......

Gun murder in 2014.... 8,124...

Car deaths in 2014... 33,000

accidental death with guns in 2015... 586

Guns in private hands in 2016.... 357,000,000

It isn't even close...so you have to lie and include people using guns to commit suicide...which was just over 21,000

so that image is a lie.

Not a lie moron, those are gun deaths.

Nope...a lie......suicides are not gun murder...gun murder is exactly what is implied when you do not specify suicides are in the count...so that is a lie.........

Japan, South Korea, and China only allow criminals and cops to have guns.......and their suicide rates are higher than ours.....

One of the countries the twit lists....poland...higher suicide rate than us...

So it is a lie.....

Nobody said murder moron. They are gun deaths.

Asswipe......you and he both know that anyone reading that image will just assume it is gun murder.....because they are uninformed that anti gunner like you and him lie...and you lie because the facts, the truth and reality do not support any thing you say about guns.........

It clearly states gun deaths dipshit.

Yes...they are lying....they know uninformed people will think it is only gun murder.....asswipe.

 

[Brain357]

In fact, a review of 62 mass shootings between 1982 and 2012 by Mother Jones found that large capacity ammunition magazines were recovered in 50% of them.6 A review of mass shootings between January 2009 and January 2013 by Mayors Against Illegal Guns found that incidents where assault weapons or large capacity ammunition magazines were used resulted in 135% more people shot and 57% more killed, compared to other mass shootings.7

And they are lying.......

No they are not. It is physics and physics doesn't lie.

 

[2aguy]

The research into actual mass shootings and the fact that magazine capacity had no bearing on the death toll....
Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

Do bans on large-capacity magazines (LCMs) for semiautomatic firearms have significant potential for reducing the number of deaths and injuries in mass shootings?

The most common rationale for an effect of LCM use is that they allow mass killers to fire many rounds without reloading.

LCMs are used is less than 1/3 of 1% of mass shootings.

News accounts of 23 shootings in which more than six people were killed or wounded and LCMs were used, occurring in the U.S. in 1994-2013, were examined.
There was only one incident in which the shooter may have been stopped by bystander intervention when he tried to reload.

In all of these 23 incidents the shooter possessed either multiple guns or multiple magazines, meaning that the shooter, even if denied LCMs, could have continued firing without significant interruption by either switching loaded guns or by changing smaller loaded magazines with only a 2-4 second delay for each magazine change.

Finally, the data indicate that mass shooters maintain slow enough rates of fire such that the time needed to reload would not increase the time between shots and thus the time available for prospective victims to escape.

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We did not employ the oft-used definition of “mass murder” as a homicide in which four or more victims were killed, because most of these involve just four to six victims (Duwe 2007), which could therefore have involved as few as six rounds fired, a number that shooters using even ordinary revolvers are capable of firing without reloading.

LCMs obviously cannot help shooters who fire no more rounds than could be fired without LCMs, so the inclusion of “nonaffectable” cases with only four to six victims would dilute the sample, reducing the percent of sample incidents in which an LCM might have affected the number of casualties.

Further, had we studied only homicides with four or more dead victims, drawn from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports, we would have missed cases in which huge numbers of people were shot, and huge numbers of rounds were fired, but three or fewer of the victims died.


For example, in one widely publicized shooting carried out in Los Angeles on February 28, 1997, two bank robbers shot a total of 18 people - surely a mass shooting by any reasonable standard (Table 1).

Yet, because none of the people they shot died, this incident would not qualify as a mass murder (or even murder of any kind).

Exclusion of such incidents would bias the sample against the proposition that LCM use increases the number of victims by excluding incidents with large numbers of victims. We also excluded shootings in which more than six persons were shot over the entire course of the incident but shootings occurred in multiple locations with no more than six people shot in any one of the locations, and substantial periods of time intervened between episodes of shooting. An example is the series of killings committed by Rodrick Dantzler on July 7, 2011.

Once eligible incidents were identified, we searched through news accounts for details related to whether the use of LCMs could have influenced the casualty counts.

Specifically, we searched for

(1) the number of magazines in the shooter’s immediate possession,

(2) the capacity of the largest magazine,

(3) the number of guns in the shooter’s immediate possession during the incident,

(4) the types of guns possessed,

(5) whether the shooter reloaded during the incident,

(6) the number of rounds fired,

(7) the duration of the shooting from the first shot fired to the last, and (8) whether anyone intervened to stop the shooter.

Findings How Many Mass Shootings were Committed Using LCMs?

We identified 23 total incidents in which more than six people were shot at a single time and place in the U.S. from 1994 through 2013 and that were known to involve use of any magazines with capacities over ten rounds.


Table 1 summarizes key details of the LCMinvolved mass shootings relevant to the issues addressed in this paper.

(Table 1 about here) What fraction of all mass shootings involve LCMs?

There is no comprehensive listing of all mass shootings available for the entire 1994-2013 period, but the most extensive one currently available is at the Shootingtracker.com website, which only began its coverage in 2013.

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How Often Have Bystanders Intervened While a Mass Shooter Was Trying to Reload?

First, we consider the issue of how many times people have disrupted a mass shooting while the shooter was trying to load a detachable magazine into a semiautomatic gun.

Note that 16 it is irrelevant whether interveners have stopped a shooter while trying to reload some other type of gun, using other kinds of magazines, since we are addressing the potential significance of restrictions on the capacity of detachable magazines which are used only with semiautomatic firearms.

Thus, bystander intervention directed at shooters using other types of guns that take much longer to reload than a semiautomatic gun using detachable magazines could not provide any guidance as to the likelihood of bystander intervention when the shooter was using a semiautomatic gun equipped with detachable magazines that can be reloaded very quickly.

Prospective interveners would presumably be more likely to tackle a shooter who took a long time to reload than one who took only 2-4 seconds to do so.

Likewise, bystander interventions that occurred at a time when the shooter was not reloading (e.g., when he was struggling with a defective gun or magazine) are irrelevant, since that kind of intervention could occur regardless of what kinds of magazines or firearms the shooter was using.


It is the need to reload detachable magazines sooner and more often that differentiates shooters using smaller detachable magazines from those using larger ones.

For the period 1994-2013 inclusive, we identified three mass shooting incidents in which it was claimed that interveners disrupted the shooting by tackling the shooter while he was trying to reload.

In only one of the three cases, however, did interveners actually tackle the shooter while he may have been reloading a semiautomatic firearm.

In one of the incidents, the weapon in question was a shotgun that had to be reloaded by inserting one shotshell at a time into the weapon (Knoxville News Sentinel “Takedown of Alleged Shooter Recounted” July 29, 2008, regarding a shooting in Knoxville, TN on July 27, 2008), and so the incident is irrelevant to the effects of detachable LCMs.


In another incident, occurring in Springfield, Oregon on May 21, 1998, the shooter, Kip Kinkel, was using a semiautomatic gun, and he was tackled by bystanders, but not while he was reloading.

After exhausting the ammunition in one gun, the shooter started 17 firing another loaded gun, one of three firearms he had with him.

The first intervener was shot in the hand in the course of wresting this still-loaded gun away from the shooter (The (Portland) Oregonian, May 23, 1998).


The final case occurred in Tucson, AZ on January 8, 2011.

This is the shooting in which Jared Loughner attempted to assassinate Representative Gabrielle Giffords.

The shooter was using a semiautomatic firearm and was tackled by bystanders, purportedly while trying to reload a detachable magazine.

Even in this case, however, there were important uncertainties.

According to one news account, one bystander “grabbed a full magazine” that the shooter dropped, and two others helped subdue him (Associated Press, January 9, 2011).

It is not, however, clear whether this bystander intervention was facilitated because

(1) the shooter was reloading, or because

(2) the shooter stopping firing when his gun or magazine failed to function properly.

Eyewitness testimony, including that of the interveners, was inconsistent as to exactly why or how the intervention transpired in Giffords shooting.

One intervener insisted that he was sure the shooter had exhausted the ammunition in the first magazine (and thus was about to reload) because he saw the gun’s slide locked back – a condition he believed could only occur with this particular firearm after the last round is fired.

In fact, this can also happen when the guns jams, i.e. fails to chamber the next round (Salzgeber 2014; Morrill 2014).

Complicating matters further, the New York Times reported that the spring on the second magazine was broken, presumably rendering it incapable of functioning.

Their story’s headline and text characterized this mechanical failure as “perhaps the only fortunate event of the day” (New York Times “A Single, Terrifying Moment: Shots, Scuffle, Some Luck,” January 10, 2011, p. A1)

. If the New York Times account was accurate, the shooter would not have been able to continue shooting with that magazine even if no one had stopped him from loading it into his gun.

Detachable magazines of any size can malfunction, which would at least temporarily stop a prospective mass shooter from firing, and thereby provide an opportunity for bystanders to stop the shooter.
It is possible that the bystander intervention in the Tucson case could have occurred regardless of what size magazines the shooter possessed, since a shooter struggling with a defective small-capacity magazine would be just as vulnerable to disruption as one struggling with a defective large-capacity magazine. Thus, it remains unclear whether the shooter was reloading when the bystanders tackled him.
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The offenders in LCM-involved mass shootings were also known to have reloaded during 14 of the 23 (61%) incidents with magazine holding over 10 rounds.

The shooters were known to have not reloaded in another two of these 20 incidents and it could not be determined if they reloaded in the remaining seven incidents.

Thus, even if the shooters had been denied LCMs, we know that most of them definitely would have been able to reload smaller detachable magazines without interference from bystanders since they in fact did change magazines.

The fact that this percentage is less than 100% should not, however, be interpreted to mean that the shooters were unable to reload in the other nine incidents.

It is possible that the shooters could also have reloaded in many of these nine shootings, but chose not to do so, or did not need to do so in order to fire all the rounds they wanted to fire. This is consistent with the fact that there has been at most only one mass shootings in twenty years in which reloading a semiautomatic firearm might have been blocked by bystanders intervening and thereby stopping the shooter from doing all the shooting he wanted to do. All we know is that in two incidents the shooter did not reload, and news accounts of seven other incidents did not mention whether the offender reloaded.

----

For example, a story in the Hartford Courant about the Sandy Hook elementary school killings in 2012 was headlined “Shooter Paused, and Six Escaped,” the text asserting that as many as six children may have survived because the shooter paused to reload (December 23, 2012). ''

The author of the story, however, went on to concede that this was just a speculation by an unnamed source, and that it was also possible that some children simply escaped when the killer was shooting other children.

There was no reliable evidence that the pauses were due to the shooter reloading, rather than his guns jamming or the shooter simply choosing to pause his shooting while his gun was still loaded.

The plausibility of the “victims escape” rationale depends on the average rates of fire that shooters in mass shootings typically maintain.

If they fire very fast, the 2-4 seconds it takes to change box-type detachable magazines could produce a slowing of the rate of fire that the shooters otherwise would have maintained without the magazine changes, increasing the average time between rounds fired and potentially allowing more victims to escape during the betweenshot intervals.

On the other hand, if mass shooters fire their guns with the average interval between shots lasting more than 2-4 seconds, the pauses due to additional magazine changes would be no longer than the pauses the shooter typically took between shots even when not reloading.

In that case, there would be no more opportunity for potential victims to escape than there would have been without the additional magazine changes

-----

In sum, in nearly all LCM-involved mass shootings, the time it takes to reload a detachable magazine is no greater than the average time between shots that the shooter takes anyway when not reloading.

Consequently, there is no affirmative evidence that reloading detachable magazines slows mass shooters’ rates of fire, and thus no affirmative evidence that the number of victims who could escape the killers due to additional pauses in the shooting is increased by the shooter’s need to change magazines.

 

[RDD_1210]

Gun ownership does not effect crime rates. That said, mass killers with high capacity semi autos kill a lot more than ones with derringers.

And you would of course be lying by omission.........magazine capacity has no bearing on the ability of mass shooters to murder people.....actual research into the issue shows this...

Now this is funny.

 

[2aguy]

And the conclusion of actual research.......

Conclusions In light of the foregoing information, it is unlikely that the larger number of rounds fired in the average LCM-linked mass shooting found by Koper (2004) was in any sense caused by the use of LCMs. In all but one of such cases in the period from 1994 through 2013, there was nothing impossible or even difficult about the shooter firing equally large numbers of rounds even if he had not possessed any LCMs, since the same number of rounds could easily have been fired with smaller detachable magazines of the sort that would remain legally available under LCM bans.

Instead, the larger number of rounds fired by LCM-using shooters is more likely to reflect the more lethal intentions prevailing among such shooters, just as their planned use of multiple guns and multiple magazines are outward indications of a desire to shoot many people.

 

[Brain357]

Examinations of fatal mass shootings in the United States have found that when assault weapons or pistols with LCMs are used in these shootings, the number of victims shot is about 2.5 times higher than in mass shootings with other firearms.

What a New Gun-Control Study Can — and Can’t — Tell Us About Mass Shootings

 

[Brain357]

And the conclusion of actual research.......

Conclusions In light of the foregoing information, it is unlikely that the larger number of rounds fired in the average LCM-linked mass shooting found by Koper (2004) was in any sense caused by the use of LCMs. In all but one of such cases in the period from 1994 through 2013, there was nothing impossible or even difficult about the shooter firing equally large numbers of rounds even if he had not possessed any LCMs, since the same number of rounds could easily have been fired with smaller detachable magazines of the sort that would remain legally available under LCM bans.

Instead, the larger number of rounds fired by LCM-using shooters is more likely to reflect the more lethal intentions prevailing among such shooters, just as their planned use of multiple guns and multiple magazines are outward indications of a desire to shoot many people.

Must have not studied the giffords shooting. But hey if they don't slow shooters you have no reason to be against a ban.

 

[Lutroo]

I didn't go over all the replies since I was here last. But I did see several about assault weapons. How is this relevant to the discussion? I made the claim that the availability of guns has no relationship to the number of gun murders. I backed this up with hard data. Assault weapons are a non issue. More people are killed by blunt objects than "assault weapons". Should we now ban baseball bats? Get a clue, people.

 

[Brain357]

I didn't go over all the replies since I was here last. But I did see several about assault weapons. How is this relevant to the discussion? I made the claim that the availability of guns has no relationship to the number of gun murders. I backed this up with hard data. Assault weapons are a non issue. More people are killed by blunt objects than "assault weapons". Should we now ban baseball bats? Get a clue, people.

When was the last baseball bat mass killing? 49 dead in one shooting is significant.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I didn't go over all the replies since I was here last. But I did see several about assault weapons. How is this relevant to the discussion? I made the claim that the availability of guns has no relationship to the number of gun murders. I backed this up with hard data. Assault weapons are a non issue. More people are killed by blunt objects than "assault weapons". Should we now ban baseball bats? Get a clue, people.

When was the last baseball bat mass killing? 49 dead in one shooting is significant.

Sure focus on singular events rather than overall numbers
Mass killings account for less than 1% of murders banning so called assault weapons will have no appreciable effect on the murder rate nor will it stop mass killings

 

[Brain357]

I didn't go over all the replies since I was here last. But I did see several about assault weapons. How is this relevant to the discussion? I made the claim that the availability of guns has no relationship to the number of gun murders. I backed this up with hard data. Assault weapons are a non issue. More people are killed by blunt objects than "assault weapons". Should we now ban baseball bats? Get a clue, people.

When was the last baseball bat mass killing? 49 dead in one shooting is significant.

Sure focus on singular events rather than overall numbers
Mass killings account for less than 1% of murders banning so called assault weapons will have no appreciable effect on the murder rate nor will it stop mass killings

It will save lives. No reason to legally arm terrorists with weapons for mass killing.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I didn't go over all the replies since I was here last. But I did see several about assault weapons. How is this relevant to the discussion? I made the claim that the availability of guns has no relationship to the number of gun murders. I backed this up with hard data. Assault weapons are a non issue. More people are killed by blunt objects than "assault weapons". Should we now ban baseball bats? Get a clue, people.

When was the last baseball bat mass killing? 49 dead in one shooting is significant.

Sure focus on singular events rather than overall numbers
Mass killings account for less than 1% of murders banning so called assault weapons will have no appreciable effect on the murder rate nor will it stop mass killings

It will save lives. No reason to legally arm terrorists with weapons for mass killing.

You can't prove that

If the wacko in orlando couldn't get a gun he would have found some other way to kill a shit load of people