elektra
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I have the same, in a book, so no problemLook back through my posts on these threads you will find the link
You think.Millions of Japanese, mostly civilians, would have died from starvation with a blockade. Japan was already nearly starving and it meant nothing to the government. What little food there was was going to the military and government. Civilians got what little was left. A blockade would have made things worse.
How do you know it meant nothing to the government?Millions of Japanese, mostly civilians, would have died from starvation with a blockade. Japan was already nearly starving and it meant nothing to the government. .....
Because the Japanese government made no effort to surrender despite having its cities burned to the ground every night, its ships sunk in harbor by carrier air strikes and anything larger than a rowboat that put to sea being sunk. The people of Japan were starving and the government was teaching them how to attack tanks with wooden spears while telling them that the Americans were going to rape and eat them.How do you know it meant nothing to the government?
Poop boy has a romanticized view of the Japanese, he denies they committed suicide rather then capture on Saipan, he denies Japanese soldiers murdered Okinawan civilians rather then let them surrender, he denies that the army was teaching citizens to human wave attack the invasion beaches with Bamboo spears, he denies the Japanese Government was taking the food fuel and resources for Government and military use while starving the population. And he claims an unsourced news article from the mid 60's proves Japan tried to surrender.Because the Japanese government made no effort to surrender despite having its cities burned to the ground every night, its ships sunk in harbor by carrier air strikes and anything larger than a rowboat that put to sea being sunk. The people of Japan were starving and the government was teaching them how to attack tanks with wooden spears while telling them that the Americans were going to rape and eat them.
That is not true, as has been established on many of these threads many times.Because the Japanese government made no effort to surrender .....
No you have not. The only thing you have is opinion and a news article from the 60's with no citations or references.That is not true, as has been established on many of these threads many times.
No, you are wrong. The Japanese GOVERNMENT wasn't part of any of those overtures. The people makings them were either civilians, or low level bureaucrats without the authority or authorization from ANYONE official to make overtures for the Japanese government.That is not true, as has been established on many of these threads many times.
^^^Article clipped from Chicago Tribune
Clipping found in Chicago Tribune published in Chicago, Illinois on 8/14/1965.www.newspapers.com
The narrative pushed by the US warmongers and statists that Japan refused to surrender, was prepared to fight to the last man, woman, and child; and a US invasion would result in a million US casualties is set in stone for many Americans. They believe the bombs were justified and required to end the war. No evidence to the contrary will change them.
Says those who have no knowledge of historyThe narrative pushed by the US warmongers and statists that Japan refused to surrender, was prepared to fight to the last man, woman, and child; and a US invasion would result in a million US casualties is set in stone for many Americans. They believe the bombs were justified and required to end the war. No evidence to the contrary will change them.
Proof war propaganda works extremely well.
Okinawa is a nice example proving you wrong. Then of course Iwo Jima is another example you can not explain away with your beliefsYou prove my point.
Right back at you.
Lol. Oh yes I can my son.Okinawa is a nice example proving you wrong. Then of course Iwo Jima is another example you can not explain away with your beliefs
God you deniers are STUPID. Japan had no intention of surrendering ever. ALL they ever offered was a ceasefire and return to 41 start lines, they even offered the Soviets to ally with them if they brokered the deal ally against the US, and the west.Lol. Oh yes I can my son.
Had we not attacked Okinawa many lives would have been saved and its conquest meant nothing, because Japan was trying to surrender and had already lost the war.
Did it ever occur to you that our military never needed to OCCUPY Japan? Invading the islands was a dumb idea. They were defeated by early 1945. They had no ability for offensive action let alone being able to defend themselves.
This is why daylight bombing was instituted. Japan had nothing left, yet you someone think dropping two nukes killing thousands of innocent women and children was justified. You are no different than the worst Nazi or Imperial Japanese war criminal.
See? Dumb again. Refuses to accept the truth. Believes the criminal warmongering state.God you deniers are STUPID. Japan had no intention of surrendering ever. ALL they ever offered was a ceasefire and return to 41 start lines, they even offered the Soviets to ally with them if they brokered the deal ally against the US, and the west.
Defenseless nation? Japan was still actively fighting in China, it was killing hundreds of Allied Pows a month by brutality and many more by forcing them to labor under unsafe conditions in things like condemned iron and coal mines. Japan was killing thousands of Malaysian, Burmese and Chinese citizens every week. The submarine I-58 sank the USS Indianapolis during that period. Japan had and was stockpiling thousands of Kamikaze aircraft, submarines, manned torpedoes and motorboats to kill Americans in the invasion force. Thew Japanese Army had over SIX MILLION trained troops under arms in Japan and had trained and "armed" between EIGHTEEN AND TWENTY MILLION civilian militia (every man between 15 and 60 and every woman between 17 and 40) That's a far better armed and more numerous force than the UK could muster six months after Dunkirk, and the Japoanese were as committed to defending their Islands as the citizens of the UK were to defending their island.Yeah...mass murder civilians of a defenseless nation ready to surrender, based on inaccurate information.
Ike said don’t drop those bombs. Admiral Leahy said don’t drop those bombs.
Lol. No their military was getting its ass kicked everywhere. They had no fuel or food. An army can’t fight without those two things.Defenseless nation? Japan was still actively fighting in China, it was killing hundreds of Allied Pows a month by brutality and many more by forcing them to labor under unsafe conditions in things like condemned iron and coal mines. Japan was killing thousands of Malaysian, Burmese and Chinese citizens every week. The submarine I-58 sank the USS Indianapolis during that period. Japan had and was stockpiling thousands of Kamikaze aircraft, submarines, manned torpedoes and motorboats to kill Americans in the invasion force. Thew Japanese Army had over SIX MILLION trained troops under arms in Japan and had trained and "armed" between EIGHTEEN AND TWENTY MILLION civilian militia (every man between 15 and 60 and every woman between 17 and 40) That's a far better armed and more numerous force than the UK could muster six months after Dunkirk, and the Japoanese were as committed to defending their Islands as the citizens of the UK were to defending their island.
No ability for offensive action? That is a great way to redefine, "lost the war".Lol. Oh yes I can my son.
Had we not attacked Okinawa many lives would have been saved and its conquest meant nothing, because Japan was trying to surrender and had already lost the war.
Did it ever occur to you that our military never needed to OCCUPY Japan? Invading the islands was a dumb idea. They were defeated by early 1945. They had no ability for offensive action let alone being able to defend themselves.
This is why daylight bombing was instituted. Japan had nothing left, yet you someone think dropping two nukes killing thousands of innocent women and children was justified. You are no different than the worst Nazi or Imperial Japanese war criminal.