CDZ The US is a terrorist state. Discuss

[Dr Grump]

I think certain people within various US admins are terrorists. However, are the monkeys that carry out the orders culpable, too? Nuremberg defence?

 

[Dr Grump]

Defending our citizens and our interests around the world doesn't make us terrorists. And there's nothing wrong with taking out a REAL terrorist.

Inflicting shock and awe on Iraqis and droning wedding parties does. The entire US military is officially designated 'REAL terrorists'.

Feel free to move. We are in a war on terror.

...and helping create it too. And I'm not even talking about the indiscriminate bombings in Iraq and other places around the world.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Defending our citizens and our interests around the world doesn't make us terrorists. And there's nothing wrong with taking out a REAL terrorist.

Inflicting shock and awe on Iraqis and droning wedding parties does. The entire US military is officially designated 'REAL terrorists'.

Feel free to move. We are in a war on terror.

...and helping create it too. And I'm not even talking about the indiscriminate bombings in Iraq and other places around the world.

Victors write history

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Defending our citizens and our interests around the world doesn't make us terrorists. And there's nothing wrong with taking out a REAL terrorist.

Inflicting shock and awe on Iraqis and droning wedding parties does. The entire US military is officially designated 'REAL terrorists'.

Dont talk about barry that way.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Defending our citizens and our interests around the world doesn't make us terrorists. And there's nothing wrong with taking out a REAL terrorist.

Inflicting shock and awe on Iraqis and droning wedding parties does. The entire US military is officially designated 'REAL terrorists'.

I noticed you are mentioning Bush mistake with Iraq and Trump order to kill of the Iranian General but you left out Obama usage of drones in countries like Yemen and his attempt to support the removal of Assad and supporting the removal of Gaddafi, so would agree if Bush and Trump did terrorist activities then Obama also committed terrorist acts?

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Also let me add if you are upset about the killing of the Iranian General then you would agree Obama order to kill Osama was wrong seeing Osama was in Pakistan and we invaded their country to kill him, so in your opinion do you believe Obama is a terrorist and war criminal?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

I'm not sure. When I considered your question I immediately went to the delivery of Shock and Awe to innocent Iraqis, but then I thought of the bombings of Cambodia and Hanoi by the Sky Pirates. Then I thought of the waterboardings of the Moros in the Philippines.

So if the question is how long I consider the US to have been a terrorist state then since around the end of the 19th century is the answer. In typing that I've just considered the terrorism inflicted on native Americans in the cause of Manifest Destiny, so since the mid 19th century, perhaps.

If the question is how long I myself have considered the US to be a terrorist state then the answer is since the mid 70's, give or take.

So trump is really the "lite" version of what you feel is U.S. terrorism...a virtual good guy by comparison...would that be accurate?

 

[Preacher]

terrorism
the systematic and organized use of violence and intimidation to force a government or community, etc to act in a certain way or accept certain demands.​

Shock and awe was used to violently force Iraq to embrace regime change. Suleimani was systematically assassinated in order to intimidate Iran into modes of behaviour. The entire US military has been designated a terrorist organisation by Iran.

The Meaning of Shock and Awe

David Bromwich, Contributor Professor of Literature, Yale University

The Meaning of Shock and Awe

The phrase “Shock and Awe” derives from the nineteenth-century German military theorist Clausewitz. It was brought to the United States by Dr. Harlan Ullman, a senior associate at the Center for Strategic and International Studies and a man of deep influence in the Bush administration, whose acumen as a strategic thinker has been lauded by Colin Powell. The doctrine of “rapid dominance” expounded by Dr. Ullman is the key to the strategy that General Myers and others now find themselves preparing to execute.

Extreme clarity marks the doctrines and maxims of Dr. Ullman. For him, a major precedent to guide American military policy in the twenty-first century, and a clue to the effect on enemy morale intended by Shock and Awe, was the dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Japanese were shocked into immediate surrender. The greatness of such an overwhelming attack, according to Ullman, lies in its capacity to inflict on the enemy an instant paralysis of the will to fight. It assures that an entire people will be “intimidated, made to feel so impotent, so helpless, that they have no choice but to do what we want them to do.” It might be objected that this amounts to an endorsement of the use of weapons of mass terror, since concussive paralysis and the injury of non-combatants are among the intended effects of such an attack. The implicit answer offered by Ullman and his admirers is that the end justifies the means, and in a case involving the United States, the end is always benign.

“Super tools and weapons — information age equivalents of the atomic bomb — have to be invented,” Dr. Ullman wrote in an opinion piece for the Economic Times. “As the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki finally convinced the Japanese Emperor and High Command that even suicidal resistance was futile, these tools must be directed towards a similar outcome” against the smaller and less threatening countries that now stand in the way of American power. But terrorism has many hiding places in a city. In order to eradicate it, you must destroy every common resource for survival. “You have this simultaneous effect,” says Ullman, “rather like the nuclear weapons at Hiroshima, not taking days or weeks but in minutes.”

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Yes they are by the VERY definition of terrorism the US is a terrorist state.

 

[cnm]

I think certain people within various US admins are terrorists. However, are the monkeys that carry out the orders culpable, too? Nuremberg defence?

Only legal orders must be carried out, Shirley?

 

[cnm]

Yes they are by the VERY definition of terrorism the US is a terrorist state.

That's why so many are squirming over dictionary definitions and want to substitute their own.

 

[cnm]

We didn’t dodge anything. It was right out in the open.

I see no charges of crimes against peace. Repercussions were dodged by the US govt.

 

[cnm]

So trump is really the "lite" version of what you feel is U.S. terrorism...a virtual good guy by comparison...would that be accurate?

No, he is still supporting droning and bombing in Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan that I know of. He is upholding the fine American tradition of state sponsored/delivered terrorism.

 

[cnm]

Also let me add if you are upset about the killing of the Iranian General then you would agree Obama order to kill Osama was wrong seeing Osama was in Pakistan and we invaded their country to kill him, so in your opinion do you believe Obama is a terrorist and war criminal?

Absolutely. He was president of a terrorist state wasn't he? How could he not be a terrorist?

 

[MarathonMike]

Defending our citizens and our interests around the world doesn't make us terrorists. And there's nothing wrong with taking out a REAL terrorist.

Inflicting shock and awe on Iraqis and droning wedding parties does. The entire US military is officially designated 'REAL terrorists'.

Us military is designated REAL terrorists by Iran and their sympathizers like you.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

No, he is still supporting droning and bombing in Yemen, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan that I know of. He is upholding the fine American tradition of state sponsored/delivered terrorism.

You say "no" then offer up American accomplishments to back it up...that only fools those who want to be fooled.

 

[cnm]

Us military is designated REAL terrorists by Iran and their sympathizers like you.

True, designated as such by a legitimate government recognised throughout the world. Therefore as much a terrorist organisation as any other. Much like the way Iranian organisations are designated terrorists by the US. But of course the US is objective in its labelling, right?

 

[cnm]

You say "no" then offer up American accomplishments to back it up...that only fools those who want to be fooled.

When have I ever denied America, Individual1 included, accomplishes terrorism? Have you not read this thread?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

When have I ever denied America, Individual1 included, accomplishes terrorism? Have you not read this thread?

wha?

 

[ding]

We didn’t dodge anything. It was right out in the open.

You dodge your terrorism and refuse to accept dictionary definitions in the effort to do so.

I haven’t dodged anything.

I am saying that the key attribute is that the state doesn’t own the act. That’s what makes them terrorists. Otherwise it’s just the military.

 

[ding]

We didn’t dodge anything. It was right out in the open.

I see no charges of crimes against peace. Repercussions were dodged by the US govt.

No. The rest of the world or anyone else are free to do what they can. Did you think there was a cover up or something.

Was Truman a terrorist for dropping two nukes on Japan?