Therapists not police.

[evenifigoalone]

For the record. I go to a mental health peer group. My peer specialists have had to de-escalate situations once in a while, including with people with severe anger issues. We've never had to call the police.
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Also worth nothing that a mental health crisis is defined as someone either being a danger to themselves or to others.

 

[fncceo]

My point is it's not a common thing for the police to be trained to de-escalate with the mentally ill specifically

My point is that it's already policing 101. I've been to well over 100 such encounters in the past 5 years ... how many have you attended?

The problems with people who want to 'reform' the police is, they have NO idea what police do except what they see on TV.

 

[evenifigoalone]

My point is it's not a common thing for the police to be trained to de-escalate with the mentally ill specifically

My point is that it's already policing 101.

Press 'x' to doubt.

When the police visited my mental health facility, we were talking about the need for more crisis intervention officers. Sooo, yeah, I think I'll believe the word of several officers over a stranger on the internet.

 

[Mac-7]

It starting to catch on. The most important sentence in the entire article.

In six months, the STAR program has responded to 1,300 calls and never needed to ask for backup from a police officer.

Therapists, not police: Other cities look at program for 911 response

One would think even the most hardcore cop proponent would support this as it frees up the police to pull more people over for imaginary infractions.

In domestic disturbance situations maybe a shrink would be a better choice than a cop

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

One would think even the most hardcore cop proponent would support this as it frees up the police to pull more people over for imaginary infractions.

Excellent idea – exactly what’s needed.

The most hardcore cop proponent should support this because dealing with the mentally ill, drug addiction, and homelessness is what gets cops in trouble where they end up needlessly injuring or killing someone – law enforcement isn’t qualified to deal with such situations.

 

[Markle]

Not mental health crisis intervention

The first step in a mental health crisis is making sure patient, his family, and the clinician are safe. Until that safety has been ensured, no amount of therapy in the world is going to end the crisis.

Police don't provide mental health counseling, they ensure that such counseling as may be required can be provided safely by all involved.

If you truly think police can't benefit from learning how to de-escalate a situation with a mentally ill person without resorting to violence I don't know what to tell you

Police are well trained in de escalating situations.

When police come on a scene they have no idea the cause of someone's violent behavior. Drugs are a major cause psychosis. People under the influence of many drugs can black out, have immense strength, and be impervious to pain

It seems like there are a lot of calls that are not emergencies. If a bottle of water, a pack of tampons, and a pep talk from a therapist is all that is needed to handle the problem, then it should not be a 911 emergency call. Of course police are not needed for non-crime calls.

I wonder how many paramedic calls were included in those 1300 calls. A cop does not need to respond to a person having a heart attack assuming that ems can get there first.

Cops might be needed to ensure scene security....EMS is trained not to enter unsafe scenarios, no matter how badly the patient needs attention.

1300 calls and the police were not need as back up on any of them.

1,300 cherry picked low level calls.

Your point being?

Do you really want to put the weight of deciding whether a call is low level or has the potential of violence on a 911 operator? Aren't their jobs stressful enough already? Why?

 

[evenifigoalone]

Police are well trained in de escalating situations.

When police come on a scene they have no idea the cause of someone's violent behavior. Drugs are a major cause psychosis. People under the influence of many drugs can black out, have immense strength, and be impervious to pain

What the actual fuck do you people have against police learning a bit more about mental illness and how to help those situations a bit better than they may or may not already? What the genuine hell is wrong with that? Or are you just jumping at shadows because someone said something slightly negative about your precious police.

I'm not anti-police and I said nothing about reforming them. Only giving my experience, what I know based on talking to actual fucking police officers and the mental health facility which tries to work with the police and keep positive relationships with them.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

there are police that are trained in crisis intervention

Very few and far between.

The majority of the time it’s a sheriff’s deputy with a high school diploma, a few years in the military, and a few months at a police ‘academy’ responding to someone with delusional paranoia where the mentally ill person ends up dead because he ‘failed to comply.’

With a mental health professional responding that’s likely not to happen.

 

[evenifigoalone]

When police come on a scene they have no idea the cause of someone's violent behavior. Drugs are a major cause psychosis. People under the influence of many drugs can black out, have immense strength, and be impervious to pain

What I said is that someone who is in a mental health crisis and calls 911 or has 911 called on them can request specifically a crisis intervention officer.

 

[evenifigoalone]

there are police that are trained in crisis intervention

Very few and far between.

The majority of the time it’s a sheriff’s deputy with a high school diploma, a few years in the military, and a few months at a police ‘academy’ responding to someone with delusional paranoia where the mentally ill person ends up dead because he ‘failed to comply.’

With a mental health professional responding that’s likely not to happen.

That's almost the point I was trying to make. Thanks.

 

[evenifigoalone]

This bracelet is one I got from the mental health clinic. It's meant to be a way for police to be able to identify those of us with a mental health diagnosis if we ever get into a situation. I don't think this is widespread, the person who started manufacturing these bracelets is local.

 

[pknopp]

My point is it's not a common thing for the police to be trained to de-escalate with the mentally ill specifically

My point is that it's already policing 101. I've been to well over 100 such encounters in the past 5 years ... how many have you attended?

The problems with people who want to 'reform' the police is, they have NO idea what police do except what they see on TV.

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I guess you didn't read the article. The police have fully supported this. So the police support it. The medical professionals support it. They have went on 1300 calls and not had to call for back up but you know better.

I don't think so.

 

[pknopp]

Not mental health crisis intervention

The first step in a mental health crisis is making sure patient, his family, and the clinician are safe. Until that safety has been ensured, no amount of therapy in the world is going to end the crisis.

Police don't provide mental health counseling, they ensure that such counseling as may be required can be provided safely by all involved.

If you truly think police can't benefit from learning how to de-escalate a situation with a mentally ill person without resorting to violence I don't know what to tell you

Police are well trained in de escalating situations.

When police come on a scene they have no idea the cause of someone's violent behavior. Drugs are a major cause psychosis. People under the influence of many drugs can black out, have immense strength, and be impervious to pain

It seems like there are a lot of calls that are not emergencies. If a bottle of water, a pack of tampons, and a pep talk from a therapist is all that is needed to handle the problem, then it should not be a 911 emergency call. Of course police are not needed for non-crime calls.

I wonder how many paramedic calls were included in those 1300 calls. A cop does not need to respond to a person having a heart attack assuming that ems can get there first.

Cops might be needed to ensure scene security....EMS is trained not to enter unsafe scenarios, no matter how badly the patient needs attention.

1300 calls and the police were not need as back up on any of them.

1,300 cherry picked low level calls.

Your point being?

Do you really want to put the weight of deciding whether a call is low level or has the potential of violence on a 911 operator? Aren't their jobs stressful enough already? Why?

1300 calls and not a single need for a police back up. Yes, they are low level calls. A call like that got Elijah McClain killed. Someone simply minding his own business walking home from the store but since he had some mental health issues the cops didn't understand his reluctance to want to stop and chat and cede his civil rights to them so they killed him.

 

[fncceo]

This bracelet is one I got from the mental health clinic.

 

[SweetSue92]

Not mental health crisis intervention

The first step in a mental health crisis is making sure patient, his family, and the clinician are safe. Until that safety has been ensured, no amount of therapy in the world is going to end the crisis.

Police don't provide mental health counseling, they ensure that such counseling as may be required can be provided safely by all involved.

If you truly think police can't benefit from learning how to de-escalate a situation with a mentally ill person without resorting to violence I don't know what to tell you

Police are well trained in de escalating situations.

When police come on a scene they have no idea the cause of someone's violent behavior. Drugs are a major cause psychosis. People under the influence of many drugs can black out, have immense strength, and be impervious to pain

It seems like there are a lot of calls that are not emergencies. If a bottle of water, a pack of tampons, and a pep talk from a therapist is all that is needed to handle the problem, then it should not be a 911 emergency call. Of course police are not needed for non-crime calls.

I wonder how many paramedic calls were included in those 1300 calls. A cop does not need to respond to a person having a heart attack assuming that ems can get there first.

Cops might be needed to ensure scene security....EMS is trained not to enter unsafe scenarios, no matter how badly the patient needs attention.

1300 calls and the police were not need as back up on any of them.

1,300 cherry picked low level calls.

Your point being?

Do you really want to put the weight of deciding whether a call is low level or has the potential of violence on a 911 operator? Aren't their jobs stressful enough already? Why?

1300 calls and not a single need for a police back up. Yes, they are low level calls. A call like that got Elijah McClain killed. Someone simply minding his own business walking home from the store but since he had some mental health issues the cops didn't understand his reluctance to want to stop and chat and cede his civil rights to them so they killed him.

I wonder if these would be a good option especially for repeat calls in domestic situations. Seems like officers respond to a lot of these from what I know, where counseling is certainly more required than "policing"

 

[badger2]

Should the police, symbol of the superego, be involved? Why does the black, whose tendency to over-spritualize the socius, always cathect the police? Because the (State is the police [italics]), which may be hard to swallow for some. Socrates thought that the State was his father. Is there a black father problem?
’The State is fundamentally terrorist.’ (Apollon, A Lasting Heresy). So too is life.

’For monotheistic religion, at the deepest level of its tendency to project a unversal or spiritual State over the entire ecumenon, is not without ambivalence or fringe areas; it goes beyond even the ideal limits of the State, even the imperial State, entering a more indistinct zone, an outside of States where it has the possibility of undergoing a singular mutation or adaption.’
(A Thousand Plateaus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia)

’But we’ve never seen a schizophrenic.’
(Anti-Oedipus: Capitalism and Schizophrenia)

 

[evenifigoalone]

This bracelet is one I got from the mental health clinic.

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A mental health diagnosis can be anything from a simple phobia (I have one of plane flights to the point that I need medication to calm me down) to paranoid schizophrenic or multiple personalities. Not that it should matter, but my mental health diagnoses are generalized anxiety, social anxiety, depression, and OCD.
Frankly, stereotypes like these help no one. Mental illness is a very broad category of different conditions, and even people with more severe diagnoses don't typically (if ever) look like this picture.

I'm not saying that mentally ill people never present a danger, cuz I know people who have gotten into trouble with the law cuz of their mental issues. I know someone with schizophrenia who shoots things at random because of his hallucinations and being terrified. (Why he's allowed to have a gun I don't know. I don't think he's seeking the proper help he needs tbh.) But overall mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of violence than the cause of it.

 

[Dana7360]

It starting to catch on. The most important sentence in the entire article.

In six months, the STAR program has responded to 1,300 calls and never needed to ask for backup from a police officer.

Therapists, not police: Other cities look at program for 911 response

One would think even the most hardcore cop proponent would support this as it frees up the police to pull more people over for imaginary infractions.

That is the whole point of what the stupid phrase "defund the police" is all about.

Talk about wrong messaging. They totally chose the wrong words to convey what needs to happen.

Take some of the funds for the police and spend it on therapists, alcohol and drug addiction specialists and the proper people to handle a lot of the calls to 9-1-1.

The police are hired to deal with criminals. Not those with mental problems and addiction problems.

 

[Likkmee]

How about "therapists with AK47'z" for problematic cases ?

 

[Markle]

Police are well trained in de escalating situations.

When police come on a scene they have no idea the cause of someone's violent behavior. Drugs are a major cause psychosis. People under the influence of many drugs can black out, have immense strength, and be impervious to pain

What the actual fuck do you people have against police learning a bit more about mental illness and how to help those situations a bit better than they may or may not already? What the genuine hell is wrong with that? Or are you just jumping at shadows because someone said something slightly negative about your precious police.

I'm not anti-police and I said nothing about reforming them. Only giving my experience, what I know based on talking to actual fucking police officers and the mental health facility which tries to work with the police and keep positive relationships with them.