There is no rapture, Jesus is not coming back in the clouds

[irosie91]

PS----Jesus was not like Moses------Moses was not "GOD" and
he did not REVEAL SECRETS. He provided rules to joos which
are supposed to be part of an everlasting covenant------the provisions do not constitute a "revelation" that renders them
obsolete because they are FULFILLED by some other machination which somehow gets compared to a "blood sacrifice"

The only thing that became obsolete after the revelation of Jesus was what he called the traditions of men, the Talmud, the wrong way to follow the law, not the law itself.

I bet that more than a few people are beginning to see Jesus emerging from the clouds that have obscured him from sight for the past two thousand years.

btw Jesus quoted the Talmud left and right----and the --recent to his own life-----one of the most famous TALMUDISTS----
HILLEL For someone who you claim called the Talmud
the "traditions of men" he certainly seemed to HOLD IT CLOSE. As to the LAW-----the law includes rules as to
which animals can be eaten and how they must be slaughtered.... unless Moses got it wrong. You present Moses as being quite shallow.

 

[Penelope]

Oh gee----the book of ACTS dates something like 80-90 AD---
is that when the "HIGH PRIESTS" suddenly had a function that
included trying and executing people? It is recorded in the NT ---that the Sanhedrin lost that right------High priests were doing it? by what law?

Right they could not perform the death penalty according to most writings from 30AD on, but we know they did according to Scripture.

Now lets pretend we have lots of Muslims here who want to perform Sharia law, our government does not allow it. Rome did not allow it. That does not mean it won't happen.

what scripture ? who did it? the 'PHARISEE HIGH PRIESTS"? what Pharisee high priests? Was there some sort of "secret society of Pharisee high priests"---somewhere? Paul lived a life of being part of a secret society of hatchett men Pharisees who invented a PARALLEL
UNIVERSE that included a bizarre Sanhedrin of renegade Pharisee high priests? "HIGH PRIEST" was an important position-------their names are known----can your cite a PHARISEE HIGH PRIEST which functioned during the life
time of Paul? One with power to execute people? I can name a HIGH PRIEST------there was a Yason and a Caiaphas and an ANNAS------all roman shills and NOT PHARISEES.
From where did these putative PHARISEE HIGH PRIESTS EMERGE? Name one. Did your catechism whore tell
you that 'HIGH PRIESTS of the Jerusalem temple" constituted the Sanhedrin? The whole story that PAUL tells -----is full of holes. I do believe that there was a paul-----from a family of converts ----way out there in TARSUS----I do not believe that the story that appears about him in "ACTS"
was written by him--------it is far too IDIOTIC

I will put this very simply... The Romans compiled the New Testament...In the book it states Jesus is the LOGOS or WORD.... Meaning it or he didn't exist outside of their book... They almagamated their Jesus or word from many myths and stories of various people that may or may not have exsisited... Same thing goes for the Pauls Or Sauls or any other character in there...The book was then placed on the Right side beside the Jewish scriptures before Abraham was mentioned.. It even states this in that book in a secret Roman jokingly way ... So their Logos or Word being Jesus was placed before Abraham and on the Right Side... Get it... Now the Roman CON was pushed by the emperor of the time CON stantine because he saw there could be great profit not prophet in it... It was all about keeping the slaves happy so they would not Rebel against Roman Rule... It was about expanding the empire which is easier to do by converting people( taking over their minds by chaining them to your doctrine) instead of conquering them physically with armies which they rebel against anyway and are costly to look after ... Finally the part about the money changers was Romes hatred because they were not getting a PIECE of the action... So therefore those people will not get any PEACE till Rome got their share thus Rome destroyed those peoples Temple and built their own counterfeit one to get their PEICE of the action... Their 10 per cent which has been ongoing till even today...Capache... It was the mob on a far grander scale as long as you went along and paid your dues you were protected the minute you stepped out of line you were stomped on harshly to set an example for the other slaves....

Jesus started one single religion--the one that is no part of this world and does not fit in. Jesus spoke to 7 congregations in (revelation( happening now in these last days) proving there is a religion that has Jesus.

How do you know that?

He doesn't know that but he has to say it to justify his religion.

The stories I read say that Jesus ran around eating and drinking and partying with sinners and prostitutes and keeping all sorts of bad company.

He didn't seem to give a shit about religion if you ask me..

The healthy do not need a doctor--the unhealthy do.
Actually Jesus tried his butt off to save the Israelite religion that were Gods chosen, but they rejected him to the core, thus were cut off( Matt 23:37-39) Yet God left the door open to them. A new religion began. The apostles were the teachers Jesus trained. They in turn trained other teachers.

The Israelite people were not Gods' chosen, they are the ones that accepted God as a deity....

God chose Avraham because Avraham treated people like gold.
His son, Yitzchaz and grandson, Yaakov carried on a tradition that God decided would be the reason to allow the human race to continue.
And no, I'm NOT going to give a 320 Style dissertation.

 

[Campbell]

nicely poetic-----but misses the point. In the beginning
----GOD was not "words" or "bread" It is a new symbolism

Exactly. A new symbolism..


"The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it (Jesus) buried it again....."

ok-----now Jesus is a "man"------ok -----he used to be the God that preceded or came simultaneously with "THE WORD"

No, Jesus was the fulfillment of the promise made in the word of God, from the beginning, that he would raise up a prophet like Moses who would convey the hidden teaching of the law.

nope-------Jesus did not accomplish that task by a long shot----
you are shoehorning. Just what hidden teaching did he convey-------he told Paul ----eat bacon???

Forget Paul


Jesus taught that the language used by God in giving the law was figurative in nature, the subjects hidden.

By saying "eat my flesh" Jesus revealed that kosher law is about teaching, either clean or unclean, and is not about diet and that eating or refraining from certain food on a menu is not the way to a holy life, in fact, adopting this belief is a violation of the divine command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, think deeply.

Most Christians would like for all that absolute bullshit that Paul wrote to be absent from their case:

I. Anti-Israel:

• "All who rely on works of the law are under a curse" (Galatians 3:10).
• "No one is justified before God by the law" (Galatians 3:11).
• "For [some manuscripts add 'in Christ Jesus'] neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation is everything!" (Galatians 6:15).
• "No human being will be justified in his [God's] sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin" (Romans 3:20).
• "Israel, who pursued righteousness based on the law, did not succeed in fulfilling that law" (Romans 9:31).
• "But their minds were hardened. Indeed, for to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil is still there, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day, whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their minds" (2 Corinthians 3:14-15).

II. Pro-Israel:

• "What is the advantage of the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? Much in every way" (Romans 3:1).
• "Do we not overthrow the Law by this notion of faith? By no means. On the contrary, we uphold the Law" (Romans 3:31).
• "What shall we say? That the Law is sin? By no means" (Romans 7:7).
• "Thus the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good" (Romans 7:12).
• "To the Israelites belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the Law, the Temple, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ" (Romans 9:4).
• "Has God rejected his people? By no means" (Romans 11:1).
• "All Israel will be saved" (Romans 11:26).
• "Is the Law then opposed to the promises of God. Certainly not!" (Galatians 3:21).

 

[irosie91]

Exactly. A new symbolism..


"The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it (Jesus) buried it again....."

ok-----now Jesus is a "man"------ok -----he used to be the God that preceded or came simultaneously with "THE WORD"

No, Jesus was the fulfillment of the promise made in the word of God, from the beginning, that he would raise up a prophet like Moses who would convey the hidden teaching of the law.

nope-------Jesus did not accomplish that task by a long shot----
you are shoehorning. Just what hidden teaching did he convey-------he told Paul ----eat bacon???

Forget Paul


Jesus taught that the language used by God in giving the law was figurative in nature, the subjects hidden.

By saying "eat my flesh" Jesus revealed that kosher law is about teaching, either clean or unclean, and is not about diet and that eating or refraining from certain food on a menu is not the way to a holy life, in fact, adopting this belief is a violation of the divine command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, think deeply.

Most Christians would like for all that absolute bullshit that Paul wrote to be absent from their case.

I am intrigued-----who and where are those "most Christians" ------could be you know lots but I never met them. Of course
most Christians I have met never read the bible----but so many
do support that which Paul CREATED (whether they know who did the creating or not) -----which IMHO is accepted
Christian dogma----more or less. As far as I know---Paul did not allude to deep thinking cows. Paul did dreams featuring
exotic menus. I doubt that MOST Christians know about
the DREAMS

 

[Penelope]

I will put this very simply... The Romans compiled the New Testament...In the book it states Jesus is the LOGOS or WORD.... Meaning it or he didn't exist outside of their book... They almagamated their Jesus or word from many myths and stories of various people that may or may not have exsisited... Same thing goes for the Pauls Or Sauls or any other character in there...The book was then placed on the Right side beside the Jewish scriptures before Abraham was mentioned.. It even states this in that book in a secret Roman jokingly way ... So their Logos or Word being Jesus was placed before Abraham and on the Right Side... Get it... Now the Roman CON was pushed by the emperor of the time CON stantine because he saw there could be great profit not prophet in it... It was all about keeping the slaves happy so they would not Rebel against Roman Rule... It was about expanding the empire which is easier to do by converting people( taking over their minds by chaining them to your doctrine) instead of conquering them physically with armies which they rebel against anyway and are costly to look after ... Finally the part about the money changers was Romes hatred because they were not getting a PIECE of the action... So therefore those people will not get any PEACE till Rome got their share thus Rome destroyed those peoples Temple and built their own counterfeit one to get their PEICE of the action... Their 10 per cent which has been ongoing till even today...Capache... It was the mob on a far grander scale as long as you went along and paid your dues you were protected the minute you stepped out of line you were stomped on harshly to set an example for the other slaves....

Christianity was created to calm down the zealot Jews, no Roman con, but Rome wanted peace in their empire, not Jewish sects fighting civil wars and fighting against the Samaritans and Greeks, so Christianity was to be an all inclusive religion, a religion for everyone.
Then when the empire was failing Constantine made it the religion of the Roman empire which was later the only legal religion. All religions do this, its to create a harmony among the populous of an empire and also yes as a way to rule without the use of force and death. Really the idea started with Judaism and other religions , but like other religions , it broke into different sects.

 

[Campbell]

I will put this very simply... The Romans compiled the New Testament...In the book it states Jesus is the LOGOS or WORD.... Meaning it or he didn't exist outside of their book... They almagamated their Jesus or word from many myths and stories of various people that may or may not have exsisited... Same thing goes for the Pauls Or Sauls or any other character in there...The book was then placed on the Right side beside the Jewish scriptures before Abraham was mentioned.. It even states this in that book in a secret Roman jokingly way ... So their Logos or Word being Jesus was placed before Abraham and on the Right Side... Get it... Now the Roman CON was pushed by the emperor of the time CON stantine because he saw there could be great profit not prophet in it... It was all about keeping the slaves happy so they would not Rebel against Roman Rule... It was about expanding the empire which is easier to do by converting people( taking over their minds by chaining them to your doctrine) instead of conquering them physically with armies which they rebel against anyway and are costly to look after ... Finally the part about the money changers was Romes hatred because they were not getting a PIECE of the action... So therefore those people will not get any PEACE till Rome got their share thus Rome destroyed those peoples Temple and built their own counterfeit one to get their PEICE of the action... Their 10 per cent which has been ongoing till even today...Capache... It was the mob on a far grander scale as long as you went along and paid your dues you were protected the minute you stepped out of line you were stomped on harshly to set an example for the other slaves....

Christianity was created to calm down the zealot Jews, no Roman con, but Rome wanted peace in their empire, not Jewish sects fighting civil wars and fighting against the Samaritans and Greeks, so Christianity was to be an all inclusive religion, a religion for everyone.
Then when the empire was failing Constantine made it the religion of the Roman empire which was later the only legal religion. All religions do this, its to create a harmony among the populous of an empire and also yes as a way to rule without the use of force and death. Really the idea started with Judaism and other religions , but like other religions , it broke into different sects.

Yeah...modern day Christians think Jesus was born on Dec. 25 when in reality Christmas and Easter were pagan holidays and Constantine set them as Christmas and Easter over 300 years after the fact.

 

[irosie91]

I will put this very simply... The Romans compiled the New Testament...In the book it states Jesus is the LOGOS or WORD.... Meaning it or he didn't exist outside of their book... They almagamated their Jesus or word from many myths and stories of various people that may or may not have exsisited... Same thing goes for the Pauls Or Sauls or any other character in there...The book was then placed on the Right side beside the Jewish scriptures before Abraham was mentioned.. It even states this in that book in a secret Roman jokingly way ... So their Logos or Word being Jesus was placed before Abraham and on the Right Side... Get it... Now the Roman CON was pushed by the emperor of the time CON stantine because he saw there could be great profit not prophet in it... It was all about keeping the slaves happy so they would not Rebel against Roman Rule... It was about expanding the empire which is easier to do by converting people( taking over their minds by chaining them to your doctrine) instead of conquering them physically with armies which they rebel against anyway and are costly to look after ... Finally the part about the money changers was Romes hatred because they were not getting a PIECE of the action... So therefore those people will not get any PEACE till Rome got their share thus Rome destroyed those peoples Temple and built their own counterfeit one to get their PEICE of the action... Their 10 per cent which has been ongoing till even today...Capache... It was the mob on a far grander scale as long as you went along and paid your dues you were protected the minute you stepped out of line you were stomped on harshly to set an example for the other slaves....

Christianity was created to calm down the zealot Jews, no Roman con, but Rome wanted peace in their empire, not Jewish sects fighting civil wars and fighting against the Samaritans and Greeks, so Christianity was to be an all inclusive religion, a religion for everyone.
Then when the empire was failing Constantine made it the religion of the Roman empire which was later the only legal religion. All religions do this, its to create a harmony among the populous of an empire and also yes as a way to rule without the use of force and death. Really the idea started with Judaism and other religions , but like other religions , it broke into different sects.

Penny----you did get a few details right----Constantine decided to create Christianity in order to ENFORCE HIS EMPIRE. He rendered Christianity the ONLY LEGAL RELIGION---typical of fascist pigs and went about murdering those who did not lick his shit. His ploy worked to a limited extent----his system resulted in massive genocides-----in the hundreds of millions----from his reign ---the first REICH OF THE 'holy' ROMAN EMPIRE----thru the SECOND REICH and the INQUISITION ----all the way to the THIRD REICH---your fave

 

[Penelope]

Exactly. A new symbolism..


"The kingdom of Heaven is like treasure lying buried in a field. The man who found it (Jesus) buried it again....."

ok-----now Jesus is a "man"------ok -----he used to be the God that preceded or came simultaneously with "THE WORD"

No, Jesus was the fulfillment of the promise made in the word of God, from the beginning, that he would raise up a prophet like Moses who would convey the hidden teaching of the law.

nope-------Jesus did not accomplish that task by a long shot----
you are shoehorning. Just what hidden teaching did he convey-------he told Paul ----eat bacon???

Forget Paul


Jesus taught that the language used by God in giving the law was figurative in nature, the subjects hidden.

By saying "eat my flesh" Jesus revealed that kosher law is about teaching, either clean or unclean, and is not about diet and that eating or refraining from certain food on a menu is not the way to a holy life, in fact, adopting this belief is a violation of the divine command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, think deeply.

Most Christians would like for all that absolute bullshit that Paul wrote to be absent from their case:

I. Anti-Israel:

• "All who rely on works of the law are under a curse" (Galatians 3:10).
• "No one is justified before God by the law" (Galatians 3:11).
• "For [some manuscripts add 'in Christ Jesus'] neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation is everything!" (Galatians 6:15).
• "No human being will be justified in his [God's] sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin" (Romans 3:20).
• "Israel, who pursued righteousness based on the law, did not succeed in fulfilling that law" (Romans 9:31).
• "But their minds were hardened. Indeed, for to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil is still there, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day, whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their minds" (2 Corinthians 3:14-15).

II. Pro-Israel:

• "What is the advantage of the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? Much in every way" (Romans 3:1).
• "Do we not overthrow the Law by this notion of faith? By no means. On the contrary, we uphold the Law" (Romans 3:31).
• "What shall we say? That the Law is sin? By no means" (Romans 7:7).
• "Thus the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good" (Romans 7:12).
• "To the Israelites belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the Law, the Temple, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ" (Romans 9:4).
• "Has God rejected his people? By no means" (Romans 11:1).
• "All Israel will be saved" (Romans 11:26).
• "Is the Law then opposed to the promises of God. Certainly not!" (Galatians 3:21).

All inclusive, a religion for everyone.

 

[irosie91]

I will put this very simply... The Romans compiled the New Testament...In the book it states Jesus is the LOGOS or WORD.... Meaning it or he didn't exist outside of their book... They almagamated their Jesus or word from many myths and stories of various people that may or may not have exsisited... Same thing goes for the Pauls Or Sauls or any other character in there...The book was then placed on the Right side beside the Jewish scriptures before Abraham was mentioned.. It even states this in that book in a secret Roman jokingly way ... So their Logos or Word being Jesus was placed before Abraham and on the Right Side... Get it... Now the Roman CON was pushed by the emperor of the time CON stantine because he saw there could be great profit not prophet in it... It was all about keeping the slaves happy so they would not Rebel against Roman Rule... It was about expanding the empire which is easier to do by converting people( taking over their minds by chaining them to your doctrine) instead of conquering them physically with armies which they rebel against anyway and are costly to look after ... Finally the part about the money changers was Romes hatred because they were not getting a PIECE of the action... So therefore those people will not get any PEACE till Rome got their share thus Rome destroyed those peoples Temple and built their own counterfeit one to get their PEICE of the action... Their 10 per cent which has been ongoing till even today...Capache... It was the mob on a far grander scale as long as you went along and paid your dues you were protected the minute you stepped out of line you were stomped on harshly to set an example for the other slaves....

Christianity was created to calm down the zealot Jews, no Roman con, but Rome wanted peace in their empire, not Jewish sects fighting civil wars and fighting against the Samaritans and Greeks, so Christianity was to be an all inclusive religion, a religion for everyone.
Then when the empire was failing Constantine made it the religion of the Roman empire which was later the only legal religion. All religions do this, its to create a harmony among the populous of an empire and also yes as a way to rule without the use of force and death. Really the idea started with Judaism and other religions , but like other religions , it broke into different sects.

Yeah...modern day Christians think Jesus was born on Dec. 25 when in reality Christmas and Easter were pagan holidays and Constantine set them as Christmas and Easter over 300 years after the fact.

Constantine worked with that he had-----which was nothing much

 

[irosie91]

ok-----now Jesus is a "man"------ok -----he used to be the God that preceded or came simultaneously with "THE WORD"

No, Jesus was the fulfillment of the promise made in the word of God, from the beginning, that he would raise up a prophet like Moses who would convey the hidden teaching of the law.

nope-------Jesus did not accomplish that task by a long shot----
you are shoehorning. Just what hidden teaching did he convey-------he told Paul ----eat bacon???

Forget Paul


Jesus taught that the language used by God in giving the law was figurative in nature, the subjects hidden.

By saying "eat my flesh" Jesus revealed that kosher law is about teaching, either clean or unclean, and is not about diet and that eating or refraining from certain food on a menu is not the way to a holy life, in fact, adopting this belief is a violation of the divine command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, think deeply.

Most Christians would like for all that absolute bullshit that Paul wrote to be absent from their case:

I. Anti-Israel:

• "All who rely on works of the law are under a curse" (Galatians 3:10).
• "No one is justified before God by the law" (Galatians 3:11).
• "For [some manuscripts add 'in Christ Jesus'] neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation is everything!" (Galatians 6:15).
• "No human being will be justified in his [God's] sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin" (Romans 3:20).
• "Israel, who pursued righteousness based on the law, did not succeed in fulfilling that law" (Romans 9:31).
• "But their minds were hardened. Indeed, for to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil is still there, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day, whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their minds" (2 Corinthians 3:14-15).

II. Pro-Israel:

• "What is the advantage of the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? Much in every way" (Romans 3:1).
• "Do we not overthrow the Law by this notion of faith? By no means. On the contrary, we uphold the Law" (Romans 3:31).
• "What shall we say? That the Law is sin? By no means" (Romans 7:7).
• "Thus the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good" (Romans 7:12).
• "To the Israelites belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the Law, the Temple, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ" (Romans 9:4).
• "Has God rejected his people? By no means" (Romans 11:1).
• "All Israel will be saved" (Romans 11:26).
• "Is the Law then opposed to the promises of God. Certainly not!" (Galatians 3:21).

All inclusive, a religion for everyone.

right----whether they wanted it or not. Adolf had the same idea-----and so did Stalin and so did Pol Pot and so did MAO

 

[Penelope]

I will put this very simply... The Romans compiled the New Testament...In the book it states Jesus is the LOGOS or WORD.... Meaning it or he didn't exist outside of their book... They almagamated their Jesus or word from many myths and stories of various people that may or may not have exsisited... Same thing goes for the Pauls Or Sauls or any other character in there...The book was then placed on the Right side beside the Jewish scriptures before Abraham was mentioned.. It even states this in that book in a secret Roman jokingly way ... So their Logos or Word being Jesus was placed before Abraham and on the Right Side... Get it... Now the Roman CON was pushed by the emperor of the time CON stantine because he saw there could be great profit not prophet in it... It was all about keeping the slaves happy so they would not Rebel against Roman Rule... It was about expanding the empire which is easier to do by converting people( taking over their minds by chaining them to your doctrine) instead of conquering them physically with armies which they rebel against anyway and are costly to look after ... Finally the part about the money changers was Romes hatred because they were not getting a PIECE of the action... So therefore those people will not get any PEACE till Rome got their share thus Rome destroyed those peoples Temple and built their own counterfeit one to get their PEICE of the action... Their 10 per cent which has been ongoing till even today...Capache... It was the mob on a far grander scale as long as you went along and paid your dues you were protected the minute you stepped out of line you were stomped on harshly to set an example for the other slaves....

Christianity was created to calm down the zealot Jews, no Roman con, but Rome wanted peace in their empire, not Jewish sects fighting civil wars and fighting against the Samaritans and Greeks, so Christianity was to be an all inclusive religion, a religion for everyone.
Then when the empire was failing Constantine made it the religion of the Roman empire which was later the only legal religion. All religions do this, its to create a harmony among the populous of an empire and also yes as a way to rule without the use of force and death. Really the idea started with Judaism and other religions , but like other religions , it broke into different sects.

Yeah...modern day Christians think Jesus was born on Dec. 25 when in reality Christmas and Easter were pagan holidays and Constantine set them as Christmas and Easter over 300 years after the fact.

We all know and no one cares. Its just the day we celebrate the birthday of Jesus and have the holiday, same with Easter. Little kids don't care either as long as they get toys.

 

[guno]

Jefferson to Thompson in 1816. Check the underlining of words.

LMAO!!!

Is that it? Is that all you've got?

That's all that is needed. Jefferson said he was a true disciple of Jesus. Nothing more said. He believed in deity. He would have thought atheism a preposterous notion of specious thinking by weak minded men.

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

He is talking about the miracles that priest craft overlaid on Christianity. Jefferson was no atheist, no agnostic. No knowledgeable person accepts instruction from one whose hole card is malignant in nature, guno.

he was a deist as were most founding fathers had no time for so called revealed religions

 

[Penelope]

No, Jesus was the fulfillment of the promise made in the word of God, from the beginning, that he would raise up a prophet like Moses who would convey the hidden teaching of the law.

nope-------Jesus did not accomplish that task by a long shot----
you are shoehorning. Just what hidden teaching did he convey-------he told Paul ----eat bacon???

Forget Paul


Jesus taught that the language used by God in giving the law was figurative in nature, the subjects hidden.

By saying "eat my flesh" Jesus revealed that kosher law is about teaching, either clean or unclean, and is not about diet and that eating or refraining from certain food on a menu is not the way to a holy life, in fact, adopting this belief is a violation of the divine command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, think deeply.

Most Christians would like for all that absolute bullshit that Paul wrote to be absent from their case:

I. Anti-Israel:

• "All who rely on works of the law are under a curse" (Galatians 3:10).
• "No one is justified before God by the law" (Galatians 3:11).
• "For [some manuscripts add 'in Christ Jesus'] neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation is everything!" (Galatians 6:15).
• "No human being will be justified in his [God's] sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin" (Romans 3:20).
• "Israel, who pursued righteousness based on the law, did not succeed in fulfilling that law" (Romans 9:31).
• "But their minds were hardened. Indeed, for to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil is still there, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day, whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their minds" (2 Corinthians 3:14-15).

II. Pro-Israel:

• "What is the advantage of the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? Much in every way" (Romans 3:1).
• "Do we not overthrow the Law by this notion of faith? By no means. On the contrary, we uphold the Law" (Romans 3:31).
• "What shall we say? That the Law is sin? By no means" (Romans 7:7).
• "Thus the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good" (Romans 7:12).
• "To the Israelites belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the Law, the Temple, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ" (Romans 9:4).
• "Has God rejected his people? By no means" (Romans 11:1).
• "All Israel will be saved" (Romans 11:26).
• "Is the Law then opposed to the promises of God. Certainly not!" (Galatians 3:21).

All inclusive, a religion for everyone.

right----whether they wanted it or not. Adolf had the same idea-----and so did Stalin and so did Pol Pot and so did MAO

No they didn't. Stalin and adolf were nationalists. Rome was empirical.

 

[irosie91]

nope-------Jesus did not accomplish that task by a long shot----
you are shoehorning. Just what hidden teaching did he convey-------he told Paul ----eat bacon???

Forget Paul


Jesus taught that the language used by God in giving the law was figurative in nature, the subjects hidden.

By saying "eat my flesh" Jesus revealed that kosher law is about teaching, either clean or unclean, and is not about diet and that eating or refraining from certain food on a menu is not the way to a holy life, in fact, adopting this belief is a violation of the divine command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, think deeply.

Most Christians would like for all that absolute bullshit that Paul wrote to be absent from their case:

I. Anti-Israel:

• "All who rely on works of the law are under a curse" (Galatians 3:10).
• "No one is justified before God by the law" (Galatians 3:11).
• "For [some manuscripts add 'in Christ Jesus'] neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation is everything!" (Galatians 6:15).
• "No human being will be justified in his [God's] sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin" (Romans 3:20).
• "Israel, who pursued righteousness based on the law, did not succeed in fulfilling that law" (Romans 9:31).
• "But their minds were hardened. Indeed, for to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil is still there, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day, whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their minds" (2 Corinthians 3:14-15).

II. Pro-Israel:

• "What is the advantage of the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? Much in every way" (Romans 3:1).
• "Do we not overthrow the Law by this notion of faith? By no means. On the contrary, we uphold the Law" (Romans 3:31).
• "What shall we say? That the Law is sin? By no means" (Romans 7:7).
• "Thus the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good" (Romans 7:12).
• "To the Israelites belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the Law, the Temple, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ" (Romans 9:4).
• "Has God rejected his people? By no means" (Romans 11:1).
• "All Israel will be saved" (Romans 11:26).
• "Is the Law then opposed to the promises of God. Certainly not!" (Galatians 3:21).

All inclusive, a religion for everyone.

right----whether they wanted it or not. Adolf had the same idea-----and so did Stalin and so did Pol Pot and so did MAO

No they didn't. Stalin and adolf were nationalists. Rome was empirical.

check your dictionary------your statement makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. Do not use words that
you do not understand

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jefferson to Thompson in 1816. Check the underlining of words.

LMAO!!!

Is that it? Is that all you've got?

That's all that is needed. Jefferson said he was a true disciple of Jesus. Nothing more said. He believed in deity. He would have thought atheism a preposterous notion of specious thinking by weak minded men.

The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814

And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

He is talking about the miracles that priest craft overlaid on Christianity. Jefferson was no atheist, no agnostic. No knowledgeable person accepts instruction from one whose hole card is malignant in nature, guno.

he was a deist as were most founding fathers had no time for so called revealed religions

So you backed up. I knew you would. I think he infused the cold soul of deism with his own love Jesus' moral teachings.

 

[JakeStarkey]

nope-------Jesus did not accomplish that task by a long shot----
you are shoehorning. Just what hidden teaching did he convey-------he told Paul ----eat bacon???

Forget Paul


Jesus taught that the language used by God in giving the law was figurative in nature, the subjects hidden.

By saying "eat my flesh" Jesus revealed that kosher law is about teaching, either clean or unclean, and is not about diet and that eating or refraining from certain food on a menu is not the way to a holy life, in fact, adopting this belief is a violation of the divine command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, think deeply.

Most Christians would like for all that absolute bullshit that Paul wrote to be absent from their case:

I. Anti-Israel:

• "All who rely on works of the law are under a curse" (Galatians 3:10).
• "No one is justified before God by the law" (Galatians 3:11).
• "For [some manuscripts add 'in Christ Jesus'] neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation is everything!" (Galatians 6:15).
• "No human being will be justified in his [God's] sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin" (Romans 3:20).
• "Israel, who pursued righteousness based on the law, did not succeed in fulfilling that law" (Romans 9:31).
• "But their minds were hardened. Indeed, for to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil is still there, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day, whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their minds" (2 Corinthians 3:14-15).

II. Pro-Israel:

• "What is the advantage of the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? Much in every way" (Romans 3:1).
• "Do we not overthrow the Law by this notion of faith? By no means. On the contrary, we uphold the Law" (Romans 3:31).
• "What shall we say? That the Law is sin? By no means" (Romans 7:7).
• "Thus the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good" (Romans 7:12).
• "To the Israelites belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the Law, the Temple, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ" (Romans 9:4).
• "Has God rejected his people? By no means" (Romans 11:1).
• "All Israel will be saved" (Romans 11:26).
• "Is the Law then opposed to the promises of God. Certainly not!" (Galatians 3:21).

All inclusive, a religion for everyone.

right----whether they wanted it or not. Adolf had the same idea-----and so did Stalin and so did Pol Pot and so did MAO

No they didn't. Stalin and adolf were nationalists. Rome was empirical.

Penny, Caesar and Stalin and Adolph were all imperialists (which is the word you are trying to say).

 

[irosie91]

Forget Paul


Jesus taught that the language used by God in giving the law was figurative in nature, the subjects hidden.

By saying "eat my flesh" Jesus revealed that kosher law is about teaching, either clean or unclean, and is not about diet and that eating or refraining from certain food on a menu is not the way to a holy life, in fact, adopting this belief is a violation of the divine command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, think deeply.

Most Christians would like for all that absolute bullshit that Paul wrote to be absent from their case:

I. Anti-Israel:

• "All who rely on works of the law are under a curse" (Galatians 3:10).
• "No one is justified before God by the law" (Galatians 3:11).
• "For [some manuscripts add 'in Christ Jesus'] neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation is everything!" (Galatians 6:15).
• "No human being will be justified in his [God's] sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin" (Romans 3:20).
• "Israel, who pursued righteousness based on the law, did not succeed in fulfilling that law" (Romans 9:31).
• "But their minds were hardened. Indeed, for to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil is still there, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day, whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their minds" (2 Corinthians 3:14-15).

II. Pro-Israel:

• "What is the advantage of the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? Much in every way" (Romans 3:1).
• "Do we not overthrow the Law by this notion of faith? By no means. On the contrary, we uphold the Law" (Romans 3:31).
• "What shall we say? That the Law is sin? By no means" (Romans 7:7).
• "Thus the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good" (Romans 7:12).
• "To the Israelites belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the Law, the Temple, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ" (Romans 9:4).
• "Has God rejected his people? By no means" (Romans 11:1).
• "All Israel will be saved" (Romans 11:26).
• "Is the Law then opposed to the promises of God. Certainly not!" (Galatians 3:21).

All inclusive, a religion for everyone.

right----whether they wanted it or not. Adolf had the same idea-----and so did Stalin and so did Pol Pot and so did MAO

No they didn't. Stalin and adolf were nationalists. Rome was empirical.

Penny, Caesar and Stalin and Adolph were all imperialists (which is the word you are trying to say).

leave penny alone----she is HAPPY as she is

 

[Penelope]

quote;
I don't think anyone disputes Saul of Tarsus existed.

People say the same about Jesus and Peter however what do they have in common?
All of these figures change names, because converged figures can't maintain an original source name if there's more then 1.
So who was Paul, certainly not Saul, since Saul met Paul (sergius Paulus)called Paul -book of Acts, and his maggis (Elymas) friend Bar(son)Jesus and called Jesus the son of the Devil.
So was Paulus Paul? Not exactly, Pauls accts jumping out the window and going to Syria was taken from Appolonias of Tyana's accounts and he was called Pol who was from Tarsus as well. Pol had an extensive library in all cultures religions and could easilly be the converger of beliefs.
But Paul is not a singular persona, he's a character made of many using the fallacious Saul's conversion story to convert Jews(the revolters) to this one world compiled religion masking Baal worship and it's great harvest propserity and extortion protection scam.
To this day the same harvest seed scams and racketeering protection scam goes on. In religion and in the streets with the Roman influenced Mob.

I will put this very simply... The Romans compiled the New Testament...In the book it states Jesus is the LOGOS or WORD.... Meaning it or he didn't exist outside of their book... They almagamated their Jesus or word from many myths and stories of various people that may or may not have exsisited... Same thing goes for the Pauls Or Sauls or any other character in there...The book was then placed on the Right side beside the Jewish scriptures before Abraham was mentioned.. It even states this in that book in a secret Roman jokingly way ... So their Logos or Word being Jesus was placed before Abraham and on the Right Side... Get it... Now the Roman CON was pushed by the emperor of the time CON stantine because he saw there could be great profit not prophet in it... It was all about keeping the slaves happy so they would not Rebel against Roman Rule... It was about expanding the empire which is easier to do by converting people( taking over their minds by chaining them to your doctrine) instead of conquering them physically with armies which they rebel against anyway and are costly to look after ... Finally the part about the money changers was Romes hatred because they were not getting a PIECE of the action... So therefore those people will not get any PEACE till Rome got their share thus Rome destroyed those peoples Temple and built their own counterfeit one to get their PEICE of the action... Their 10 per cent which has been ongoing till even today...Capache... It was the mob on a far grander scale as long as you went along and paid your dues you were protected the minute you stepped out of line you were stomped on harshly to set an example for the other slaves....

Christianity was created to calm down the zealot Jews, no Roman con, but Rome wanted peace in their empire, not Jewish sects fighting civil wars and fighting against the Samaritans and Greeks, so Christianity was to be an all inclusive religion, a religion for everyone.
Then when the empire was failing Constantine made it the religion of the Roman empire which was later the only legal religion. All religions do this, its to create a harmony among the populous of an empire and also yes as a way to rule without the use of force and death. Really the idea started with Judaism and other religions , but like other religions , it broke into different sects.

Penny----you did get a few details right----Constantine decided to create Christianity in order to ENFORCE HIS EMPIRE. He rendered Christianity the ONLY LEGAL RELIGION---typical of fascist pigs and went about murdering those who did not lick his shit. His ploy worked to a limited extent----his system resulted in massive genocides-----in the hundreds of millions----from his reign ---the first REICH OF THE 'holy' ROMAN EMPIRE----thru the SECOND REICH and the INQUISITION ----all the way to the THIRD REICH---your fave

Constantine didn't create Christianity. Eusebius thought it was the best religion for Constantine to use as the Empire's religion. Read Eusebius proof and prep of the gospels.

 

[irosie91]

quote;
I don't think anyone disputes Saul of Tarsus existed.

People say the same about Jesus and Peter however what do they have in common?
All of these figures change names, because converged figures can't maintain an original source name if there's more then 1.
So who was Paul, certainly not Saul, since Saul met Paul (sergius Paulus)called Paul -book of Acts, and his maggis (Elymas) friend Bar(son)Jesus and called Jesus the son of the Devil.
So was Paulus Paul? Not exactly, Pauls accts jumping out the window and going to Syria was taken from Appolonias of Tyana's accounts and he was called Pol who was from Tarsus as well. Pol had an extensive library in all cultures religions and could easilly be the converger of beliefs.
But Paul is not a singular persona, he's a character made of many using the fallacious Saul's conversion story to convert Jews(the revolters) to this one world compiled religion masking Baal worship and it's great harvest propserity and extortion protection scam.
To this day the same harvest seed scams and racketeering protection scam goes on. In religion and in the streets with the Roman influenced Mob.

I will put this very simply... The Romans compiled the New Testament...In the book it states Jesus is the LOGOS or WORD.... Meaning it or he didn't exist outside of their book... They almagamated their Jesus or word from many myths and stories of various people that may or may not have exsisited... Same thing goes for the Pauls Or Sauls or any other character in there...The book was then placed on the Right side beside the Jewish scriptures before Abraham was mentioned.. It even states this in that book in a secret Roman jokingly way ... So their Logos or Word being Jesus was placed before Abraham and on the Right Side... Get it... Now the Roman CON was pushed by the emperor of the time CON stantine because he saw there could be great profit not prophet in it... It was all about keeping the slaves happy so they would not Rebel against Roman Rule... It was about expanding the empire which is easier to do by converting people( taking over their minds by chaining them to your doctrine) instead of conquering them physically with armies which they rebel against anyway and are costly to look after ... Finally the part about the money changers was Romes hatred because they were not getting a PIECE of the action... So therefore those people will not get any PEACE till Rome got their share thus Rome destroyed those peoples Temple and built their own counterfeit one to get their PEICE of the action... Their 10 per cent which has been ongoing till even today...Capache... It was the mob on a far grander scale as long as you went along and paid your dues you were protected the minute you stepped out of line you were stomped on harshly to set an example for the other slaves....

Christianity was created to calm down the zealot Jews, no Roman con, but Rome wanted peace in their empire, not Jewish sects fighting civil wars and fighting against the Samaritans and Greeks, so Christianity was to be an all inclusive religion, a religion for everyone.
Then when the empire was failing Constantine made it the religion of the Roman empire which was later the only legal religion. All religions do this, its to create a harmony among the populous of an empire and also yes as a way to rule without the use of force and death. Really the idea started with Judaism and other religions , but like other religions , it broke into different sects.

Penny----you did get a few details right----Constantine decided to create Christianity in order to ENFORCE HIS EMPIRE. He rendered Christianity the ONLY LEGAL RELIGION---typical of fascist pigs and went about murdering those who did not lick his shit. His ploy worked to a limited extent----his system resulted in massive genocides-----in the hundreds of millions----from his reign ---the first REICH OF THE 'holy' ROMAN EMPIRE----thru the SECOND REICH and the INQUISITION ----all the way to the THIRD REICH---your fave

Constantine didn't create Christianity. Eusebius thought it was the best religion for Constantine to use as the Empire's religion. Read Eusebius proof and prep of the gospels.

In fact it was a COLLABORATION for all kinds of nefarious reasons------led by CONSTANTINE for the sake of EMPIRE Adolf did not actually INVENT fascism either. Stalin did not INVENT totalitarian communism

 

[Campbell]

I will put this very simply... The Romans compiled the New Testament...In the book it states Jesus is the LOGOS or WORD.... Meaning it or he didn't exist outside of their book... They almagamated their Jesus or word from many myths and stories of various people that may or may not have exsisited... Same thing goes for the Pauls Or Sauls or any other character in there...The book was then placed on the Right side beside the Jewish scriptures before Abraham was mentioned.. It even states this in that book in a secret Roman jokingly way ... So their Logos or Word being Jesus was placed before Abraham and on the Right Side... Get it... Now the Roman CON was pushed by the emperor of the time CON stantine because he saw there could be great profit not prophet in it... It was all about keeping the slaves happy so they would not Rebel against Roman Rule... It was about expanding the empire which is easier to do by converting people( taking over their minds by chaining them to your doctrine) instead of conquering them physically with armies which they rebel against anyway and are costly to look after ... Finally the part about the money changers was Romes hatred because they were not getting a PIECE of the action... So therefore those people will not get any PEACE till Rome got their share thus Rome destroyed those peoples Temple and built their own counterfeit one to get their PEICE of the action... Their 10 per cent which has been ongoing till even today...Capache... It was the mob on a far grander scale as long as you went along and paid your dues you were protected the minute you stepped out of line you were stomped on harshly to set an example for the other slaves....

Christianity was created to calm down the zealot Jews, no Roman con, but Rome wanted peace in their empire, not Jewish sects fighting civil wars and fighting against the Samaritans and Greeks, so Christianity was to be an all inclusive religion, a religion for everyone.
Then when the empire was failing Constantine made it the religion of the Roman empire which was later the only legal religion. All religions do this, its to create a harmony among the populous of an empire and also yes as a way to rule without the use of force and death. Really the idea started with Judaism and other religions , but like other religions , it broke into different sects.

Yeah...modern day Christians think Jesus was born on Dec. 25 when in reality Christmas and Easter were pagan holidays and Constantine set them as Christmas and Easter over 300 years after the fact.

We all know and no one cares. Its just the day we celebrate the birthday of Jesus and have the holiday, same with Easter. Little kids don't care either as long as they get toys.

Shucks! I'd just as soon believe in Santa Claus as to believe some 2000 year old Jew will come back floating on a cloud and escort his folks out of their graves and through the pearly gates......what a crock of horse shit!