There is no rapture, Jesus is not coming back in the clouds

[irosie91]

I will put this very simply... The Romans compiled the New Testament...In the book it states Jesus is the LOGOS or WORD.... Meaning it or he didn't exist outside of their book... They almagamated their Jesus or word from many myths and stories of various people that may or may not have exsisited... Same thing goes for the Pauls Or Sauls or any other character in there...The book was then placed on the Right side beside the Jewish scriptures before Abraham was mentioned.. It even states this in that book in a secret Roman jokingly way ... So their Logos or Word being Jesus was placed before Abraham and on the Right Side... Get it... Now the Roman CON was pushed by the emperor of the time CON stantine because he saw there could be great profit not prophet in it... It was all about keeping the slaves happy so they would not Rebel against Roman Rule... It was about expanding the empire which is easier to do by converting people( taking over their minds by chaining them to your doctrine) instead of conquering them physically with armies which they rebel against anyway and are costly to look after ... Finally the part about the money changers was Romes hatred because they were not getting a PIECE of the action... So therefore those people will not get any PEACE till Rome got their share thus Rome destroyed those peoples Temple and built their own counterfeit one to get their PEICE of the action... Their 10 per cent which has been ongoing till even today...Capache... It was the mob on a far grander scale as long as you went along and paid your dues you were protected the minute you stepped out of line you were stomped on harshly to set an example for the other slaves....

Christianity was created to calm down the zealot Jews, no Roman con, but Rome wanted peace in their empire, not Jewish sects fighting civil wars and fighting against the Samaritans and Greeks, so Christianity was to be an all inclusive religion, a religion for everyone.
Then when the empire was failing Constantine made it the religion of the Roman empire which was later the only legal religion. All religions do this, its to create a harmony among the populous of an empire and also yes as a way to rule without the use of force and death. Really the idea started with Judaism and other religions , but like other religions , it broke into different sects.

Yeah...modern day Christians think Jesus was born on Dec. 25 when in reality Christmas and Easter were pagan holidays and Constantine set them as Christmas and Easter over 300 years after the fact.

We all know and no one cares. Its just the day we celebrate the birthday of Jesus and have the holiday, same with Easter. Little kids don't care either as long as they get toys.

Shucks! I'd just as soon believe in Santa Claus as to believe some 2000 year old Jew will come back floating on a cloud and escort his folks out of their graves and through the pearly gates......what a crock of horse shit!

I resent that------I AM AN OLD JEW

 

[Penelope]

No, Jesus was the fulfillment of the promise made in the word of God, from the beginning, that he would raise up a prophet like Moses who would convey the hidden teaching of the law.

nope-------Jesus did not accomplish that task by a long shot----
you are shoehorning. Just what hidden teaching did he convey-------he told Paul ----eat bacon???

Forget Paul


Jesus taught that the language used by God in giving the law was figurative in nature, the subjects hidden.

By saying "eat my flesh" Jesus revealed that kosher law is about teaching, either clean or unclean, and is not about diet and that eating or refraining from certain food on a menu is not the way to a holy life, in fact, adopting this belief is a violation of the divine command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, think deeply.

I do not buy your interpretation at all------it is a roman insertion.
Cuisine is a very important issue -----people do not GIVE UP
THE FOOD THEY LOVE. In fact food taboos are not a matter of "clean" vs "unclean" in any culture. They are functional issues. It is absolutely OBVIOUS that the early church people understood that they could not increase their numbers
by convincing the ROMAN EMPIRE----that their accustomed food is taboo------nor could their church function as PART OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE together with kosher rules. -----and CONSTANTINE certainly did not want to try. Bread is not a person's flesh--------wine is not a person's blood in anything that exists in the culture and literature known to Jesus The symbolism expressed in the words attributed to Jesus----do
not make sense in the contest of a Passover supper

Thats OK Rosie, When I said that many people are beginning to see Jesus emerging from the clouds that have obscured him from sight, I didn't have any illusions that you were one of them.

I see Jesus for exactly what he was------a Pharisee cult figure
----there are, historically, scores of such people. Hillel is one---he died in Jerusalem shortly before or after Jesus was born.
R' Akiva is another, Bar Kochbah, ----in very modern times---
another cult leader emerged----of the Pharisee kind, to wit
R' Menachem Schneerson. There are probably a few more cooking right now. I left out a really important one----the
person called BAAL SHEMTOV. Jews got LOTS. Stay tuned for more

You do know Josephus thought Vespasian and Titus were Saviors, also have you forgot about King Cyrus, the anointed one of God, not all Jewish saviors are Jews, were there any Jewish saviors? I think we are still waiting, maybe Hezekiah was.

 

[irosie91]

nope-------Jesus did not accomplish that task by a long shot----
you are shoehorning. Just what hidden teaching did he convey-------he told Paul ----eat bacon???

Forget Paul


Jesus taught that the language used by God in giving the law was figurative in nature, the subjects hidden.

By saying "eat my flesh" Jesus revealed that kosher law is about teaching, either clean or unclean, and is not about diet and that eating or refraining from certain food on a menu is not the way to a holy life, in fact, adopting this belief is a violation of the divine command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate, think deeply.

I do not buy your interpretation at all------it is a roman insertion.
Cuisine is a very important issue -----people do not GIVE UP
THE FOOD THEY LOVE. In fact food taboos are not a matter of "clean" vs "unclean" in any culture. They are functional issues. It is absolutely OBVIOUS that the early church people understood that they could not increase their numbers
by convincing the ROMAN EMPIRE----that their accustomed food is taboo------nor could their church function as PART OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE together with kosher rules. -----and CONSTANTINE certainly did not want to try. Bread is not a person's flesh--------wine is not a person's blood in anything that exists in the culture and literature known to Jesus The symbolism expressed in the words attributed to Jesus----do
not make sense in the contest of a Passover supper

Thats OK Rosie, When I said that many people are beginning to see Jesus emerging from the clouds that have obscured him from sight, I didn't have any illusions that you were one of them.

I see Jesus for exactly what he was------a Pharisee cult figure
----there are, historically, scores of such people. Hillel is one---he died in Jerusalem shortly before or after Jesus was born.
R' Akiva is another, Bar Kochbah, ----in very modern times---
another cult leader emerged----of the Pharisee kind, to wit
R' Menachem Schneerson. There are probably a few more cooking right now. I left out a really important one----the
person called BAAL SHEMTOV. Jews got LOTS. Stay tuned for more

You do know Josephus thought Vespasian and Titus were Saviors, also have you forgot about King Cyrus, the anointed one of God, not all Jewish saviors are Jews, were there any Jewish saviors? I think we are still waiting, maybe Hezekiah was.

you are very confused------you seem to imagine that Josephus
spoke USA Midwest Christian.. You are even confused about the term ANNOINTED----Queen Elizabeth II was
ANNOINTED. Another issue of which you should be aware---
you have no idea what anyone "thinks"-------when you start taking your meds----the delusions will go away-----you will no longer hear the thoughts of other people. If you were a real health care worker-----you would be a "savior" to some people

 

[kjw47]

The healthy do not need a doctor--the unhealthy do.

When Jesus said that he was saying that the people that he was partying with were not the ones who were sick.


Thats why he upbraided Pharisees and partied with the ones they condemned.

Only the sick need a doctor.

it interests me to know that Jesus supported prostitution----so did the romans. Prostitution in Rome was completely legal and Prostitutes were highly esteemed. Somehow---later on
the Christians seemed to have turned into PHARISEES.. An interesting aspect of Roman society was a very strict
double standard-----men could play with prostitutes of either sex-----but wives were supposed to be chaste. Men could also have sex slaves----but they did not have the legal protection of wives nor did their children have rights to inheritance

Jesus did not support prostitution. Fornication( sex out of marriage) is against Gods will-1Cor 6:9-11-- in Revelation it teaches fornicators will be thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[kjw47]

Anyone that believes in any religion is a fool.

Jesus started one single religion--the one that is no part of this world and does not fit in. Jesus spoke to 7 congregations in (revelation( happening now in these last days) proving there is a religion that has Jesus.

How do you know that?

He doesn't know that but he has to say it to justify his religion.

The stories I read say that Jesus ran around eating and drinking and partying with sinners and prostitutes and keeping all sorts of bad company.

He didn't seem to give a shit about religion if you ask me..

The healthy do not need a doctor--the unhealthy do.
Actually Jesus tried his butt off to save the Israelite religion that were Gods chosen, but they rejected him to the core, thus were cut off( Matt 23:37-39) Yet God left the door open to them. A new religion began. The apostles were the teachers Jesus trained. They in turn trained other teachers.

The Israelite people were not Gods' chosen, they are the ones that accepted God as a deity....

If they weren't Gods chosen, they wouldn't have been cut off-Matt 23:37-39

 

[irosie91]

The healthy do not need a doctor--the unhealthy do.

When Jesus said that he was saying that the people that he was partying with were not the ones who were sick.


Thats why he upbraided Pharisees and partied with the ones they condemned.

Only the sick need a doctor.

it interests me to know that Jesus supported prostitution----so did the romans. Prostitution in Rome was completely legal and Prostitutes were highly esteemed. Somehow---later on
the Christians seemed to have turned into PHARISEES.. An interesting aspect of Roman society was a very strict
double standard-----men could play with prostitutes of either sex-----but wives were supposed to be chaste. Men could also have sex slaves----but they did not have the legal protection of wives nor did their children have rights to inheritance

Jesus did not support prostitution. Fornication( sex out of marriage) is against Gods will-1Cor 6:9-11-- in Revelation it teaches fornicators will be thrown into the lake of fire.

try to cope, Hobe claims that jesus socialized with prostitutes------HOBE---not me. Hobe stated that Jesus
rejected the Pharisee POV regarding prostitutes which is---
that prostitution is a sin (no lake of fire in Judaism----but prostitution is a sin----it can be overcome ---see AMOS---but
it is a serious sin) In Roman culture and law----prostitution is
entirely legal. For your interest---the prophet AMOS---knowingly and preferentially and for some godknowswhat
symbolic reason----married a prostitute. or so they say. The symbolic thing that AMOS did is not a matter of partying with prostitutes as Hobe claims Jesus did---by preference

 

[irosie91]

Jesus started one single religion--the one that is no part of this world and does not fit in. Jesus spoke to 7 congregations in (revelation( happening now in these last days) proving there is a religion that has Jesus.

How do you know that?

He doesn't know that but he has to say it to justify his religion.

The stories I read say that Jesus ran around eating and drinking and partying with sinners and prostitutes and keeping all sorts of bad company.

He didn't seem to give a shit about religion if you ask me..

The healthy do not need a doctor--the unhealthy do.
Actually Jesus tried his butt off to save the Israelite religion that were Gods chosen, but they rejected him to the core, thus were cut off( Matt 23:37-39) Yet God left the door open to them. A new religion began. The apostles were the teachers Jesus trained. They in turn trained other teachers.

The Israelite people were not Gods' chosen, they are the ones that accepted God as a deity....

If they weren't Gods chosen, they wouldn't have been cut off-Matt 23:37-39

matt did not say that-----anyway-----no one knows who matt was

 

[JakeStarkey]

The healthy do not need a doctor--the unhealthy do.

When Jesus said that he was saying that the people that he was partying with were not the ones who were sick.


Thats why he upbraided Pharisees and partied with the ones they condemned.

Only the sick need a doctor.

it interests me to know that Jesus supported prostitution----so did the romans. Prostitution in Rome was completely legal and Prostitutes were highly esteemed. Somehow---later on
the Christians seemed to have turned into PHARISEES.. An interesting aspect of Roman society was a very strict
double standard-----men could play with prostitutes of either sex-----but wives were supposed to be chaste. Men could also have sex slaves----but they did not have the legal protection of wives nor did their children have rights to inheritance

Jesus did not support prostitution. Fornication( sex out of marriage) is against Gods will-1Cor 6:9-11-- in Revelation it teaches fornicators will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Quote scripture where Jesus says just that.

 

[HaShev]

How do you know that?

He doesn't know that but he has to say it to justify his religion.

The stories I read say that Jesus ran around eating and drinking and partying with sinners and prostitutes and keeping all sorts of bad company.

He didn't seem to give a shit about religion if you ask me..

The healthy do not need a doctor--the unhealthy do.
Actually Jesus tried his butt off to save the Israelite religion that were Gods chosen, but they rejected him to the core, thus were cut off( Matt 23:37-39) Yet God left the door open to them. A new religion began. The apostles were the teachers Jesus trained. They in turn trained other teachers.

The Israelite people were not Gods' chosen, they are the ones that accepted God as a deity....

If they weren't Gods chosen, they wouldn't have been cut off-Matt 23:37-39

matt did not say that-----anyway-----no one knows who matt was

Yeshu of 100bc had a follower Mattias, a friend and Follower Salome, Shimon was not a follower but was a friend of Yehuda(Judas) ben Tabbai who was a christ like figure confused with Yeshu and Yehuda had a predated story of weeping for having someone sentenced(sound familiar?) It's easy to combine cults with similar flocks if you combine their Leader and their main characters using sometimes similar new names, hence Shimon the high Priest assigned by Salome becomes Peter to claim both men are the same following the same Christ, MATTIAS BECOMES Matthew, Johan becomes John, Thaddias becomes James, Yehuda ben Tabbai becomes Yehuda in the AD era or Yehuda the Galilean who becomes Jesus,
Yeshu, 3Yehudas(ben Tabbai, Galilean & Galionite), Theudas, Benjamin become Jesus, Later Saul, Sergius Paulus called Paul, Apollonias(Pol) is called Paul.
Even Shimon the magician might have been confused into the Peter myth.
To this day The church changes their names to confuse your ability to discover the historical real nature and dirty laundry of the people, from the image they want to present of their saints.

 

[irosie91]

He doesn't know that but he has to say it to justify his religion.

The stories I read say that Jesus ran around eating and drinking and partying with sinners and prostitutes and keeping all sorts of bad company.

He didn't seem to give a shit about religion if you ask me..

The healthy do not need a doctor--the unhealthy do.
Actually Jesus tried his butt off to save the Israelite religion that were Gods chosen, but they rejected him to the core, thus were cut off( Matt 23:37-39) Yet God left the door open to them. A new religion began. The apostles were the teachers Jesus trained. They in turn trained other teachers.

The Israelite people were not Gods' chosen, they are the ones that accepted God as a deity....

If they weren't Gods chosen, they wouldn't have been cut off-Matt 23:37-39

matt did not say that-----anyway-----no one knows who matt was

Yeshu of 100bc had a follower Mattias, a friend and Follower Salome, Shimon was not a follower but was a friend of Yehuda(Judas) ben Tabbai who was a christ like figure confused with Yeshu and Yehuda had a predated story of weeping for having someone sentenced(sound familiar?) It's easy to combine cults with similar flocks if you combine their Leader and their main characters using sometimes similar new names, hence Shimon the high Priest assigned by Salome becomes Peter to claim both men are the same following the same Christ, MATTIAS BECOMES Matthew, Johan becomes John, Thaddias becomes James, Yehuda ben Tabbai becomes Yehuda in the AD era or Yehuda the Galilean who becomes Jesus,
Yeshu, 3Yehudas(ben Tabbai, Galilean & Galionite), Theudas, Benjamin become Jesus, Later Saul, Sergius Paulus called Paul, Apollonias(Pol) is called Paul.
Even Shimon the magician might have been confused into the Peter myth.
To this day The church changes their names to confuse your ability to discover the historical real nature and dirty laundry of the people, from the image they want to present of their saints.

sheeeehs I can't keep track of the names of my in-laws---THIS IS WORSE

 

[irosie91]

The healthy do not need a doctor--the unhealthy do.

When Jesus said that he was saying that the people that he was partying with were not the ones who were sick.


Thats why he upbraided Pharisees and partied with the ones they condemned.

Only the sick need a doctor.

it interests me to know that Jesus supported prostitution----so did the romans. Prostitution in Rome was completely legal and Prostitutes were highly esteemed. Somehow---later on
the Christians seemed to have turned into PHARISEES.. An interesting aspect of Roman society was a very strict
double standard-----men could play with prostitutes of either sex-----but wives were supposed to be chaste. Men could also have sex slaves----but they did not have the legal protection of wives nor did their children have rights to inheritance

Jesus did not support prostitution. Fornication( sex out of marriage) is against Gods will-1Cor 6:9-11-- in Revelation it teaches fornicators will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Quote scripture where Jesus says just that.

Jakie----the book of revulsions---as far as I recall----does not
claim to quote Jesus-----I am relying on memory

 

[JakeStarkey]

The healthy do not need a doctor--the unhealthy do.

When Jesus said that he was saying that the people that he was partying with were not the ones who were sick.


Thats why he upbraided Pharisees and partied with the ones they condemned.

Only the sick need a doctor.

it interests me to know that Jesus supported prostitution----so did the romans. Prostitution in Rome was completely legal and Prostitutes were highly esteemed. Somehow---later on
the Christians seemed to have turned into PHARISEES.. An interesting aspect of Roman society was a very strict
double standard-----men could play with prostitutes of either sex-----but wives were supposed to be chaste. Men could also have sex slaves----but they did not have the legal protection of wives nor did their children have rights to inheritance

Jesus did not support prostitution. Fornication( sex out of marriage) is against Gods will-1Cor 6:9-11-- in Revelation it teaches fornicators will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Quote scripture where Jesus says just that.

Jakie----the book of revulsions---as far as I recall----does not
claim to quote Jesus-----I am relying on memory

Then it does not count. I am not a biblical literalist.

 

[irosie91]

When Jesus said that he was saying that the people that he was partying with were not the ones who were sick.


Thats why he upbraided Pharisees and partied with the ones they condemned.

Only the sick need a doctor.

it interests me to know that Jesus supported prostitution----so did the romans. Prostitution in Rome was completely legal and Prostitutes were highly esteemed. Somehow---later on
the Christians seemed to have turned into PHARISEES.. An interesting aspect of Roman society was a very strict
double standard-----men could play with prostitutes of either sex-----but wives were supposed to be chaste. Men could also have sex slaves----but they did not have the legal protection of wives nor did their children have rights to inheritance

Jesus did not support prostitution. Fornication( sex out of marriage) is against Gods will-1Cor 6:9-11-- in Revelation it teaches fornicators will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Quote scripture where Jesus says just that.

Jakie----the book of revulsions---as far as I recall----does not
claim to quote Jesus-----I am relying on memory

Then it does not count. I am not a biblical literalist.

sheeeeesh WHO WUDDA KNOWN?

 

[Campbell]

The healthy do not need a doctor--the unhealthy do.

When Jesus said that he was saying that the people that he was partying with were not the ones who were sick.


Thats why he upbraided Pharisees and partied with the ones they condemned.

Only the sick need a doctor.

it interests me to know that Jesus supported prostitution----so did the romans. Prostitution in Rome was completely legal and Prostitutes were highly esteemed. Somehow---later on
the Christians seemed to have turned into PHARISEES.. An interesting aspect of Roman society was a very strict
double standard-----men could play with prostitutes of either sex-----but wives were supposed to be chaste. Men could also have sex slaves----but they did not have the legal protection of wives nor did their children have rights to inheritance

Jesus did not support prostitution. Fornication( sex out of marriage) is against Gods will-1Cor 6:9-11-- in Revelation it teaches fornicators will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Quote scripture where Jesus says just that.

Jakie----the book of revulsions---as far as I recall----does not
claim to quote Jesus-----I am relying on memory

Revulsions......LMAO!

 

[HaShev]

I know, and the kicker is the pass the story down the line has to assume who they are talking about in an age of poor communications and Hebrew without vowels. We can't even get stories straight in our communications age.
Perfect example of how people with similar titles can get confused for each other.
In Philly a news reporter is outted when he is rushed to the hospital to have a gerbil removed. Suddenly every major city has the same story and over years this story is about so many other news reporters that it becomes assumed an urban legend.
I know who the story is about, because my Girlfriend at the time was a nurse at the hospital and that same week a customer confirmed the story, because she worked at the same Hospital. So I knew the original story in that I was at ground zero of the event, with 2 seperate witnesses and I already had seen the reporter out late night eating in China Town with his boyfriend thus verifying his orientation first hand.
So when people repeat this story with a different REPORTER (someone of the same title) I have to laugh at how in our day and age even a reporter story can't be kept true to the event. So imagine the age of poor communications, similar names and titles and lack of knowledge in Hebrew.
That's how Yehuda the Galilean gets confused with Yehuda the Galionite, or Nazareth the town built in 90 ad gets confused with Nazarene (guardians of the NT) whereby the term Nazarite would be used for a person from Nazareth, or being confused for Ha-Notzrim (the offshoot-cult) which was similarly spelled.

 

[irosie91]

When Jesus said that he was saying that the people that he was partying with were not the ones who were sick.


Thats why he upbraided Pharisees and partied with the ones they condemned.

Only the sick need a doctor.

it interests me to know that Jesus supported prostitution----so did the romans. Prostitution in Rome was completely legal and Prostitutes were highly esteemed. Somehow---later on
the Christians seemed to have turned into PHARISEES.. An interesting aspect of Roman society was a very strict
double standard-----men could play with prostitutes of either sex-----but wives were supposed to be chaste. Men could also have sex slaves----but they did not have the legal protection of wives nor did their children have rights to inheritance

Jesus did not support prostitution. Fornication( sex out of marriage) is against Gods will-1Cor 6:9-11-- in Revelation it teaches fornicators will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Quote scripture where Jesus says just that.

Jakie----the book of revulsions---as far as I recall----does not
claim to quote Jesus-----I am relying on memory

Revulsions......LMAO!

Campbell soup-----believe it or not-----I got that one from a lady I knew long ago who had converted from Catholicism to
Judaism-----she did have a lot of knowledge on theological issues. I cannot take credit for it

 

[HaShev]

MSNBC AND CNN ARE perfect examples at how stories change seconds later after the event. Subjective insight and pass the story down the line issues, along with affiliation brainwashing and ulterior motives and hatred can make a simple story drastically change within seconds let alone years.

 

[Moonglow]

Jesus started one single religion--the one that is no part of this world and does not fit in. Jesus spoke to 7 congregations in (revelation( happening now in these last days) proving there is a religion that has Jesus.

How do you know that?

He doesn't know that but he has to say it to justify his religion.

The stories I read say that Jesus ran around eating and drinking and partying with sinners and prostitutes and keeping all sorts of bad company.

He didn't seem to give a shit about religion if you ask me..

The healthy do not need a doctor--the unhealthy do.
Actually Jesus tried his butt off to save the Israelite religion that were Gods chosen, but they rejected him to the core, thus were cut off( Matt 23:37-39) Yet God left the door open to them. A new religion began. The apostles were the teachers Jesus trained. They in turn trained other teachers.

The Israelite people were not Gods' chosen, they are the ones that accepted God as a deity....

If they weren't Gods chosen, they wouldn't have been cut off-Matt 23:37-39

Mathew had no ability to speak for the prior laws or the Jews...Being a chosen people is not a call for superiority but a call for humility and action to show the world a better way to live...But religious divisiveness and anti-rational, the idea of "The Chosen People" is seen as proof of the danger of religious doctrine and as a undermining of any attempts at reconciliation, like in Matt 23:37-39...

 

[Moonglow]

And the biggest kicker is that Jesus died after the festival of Passover had already began, and no Jew would handle a dead body during Passover, to also not, that Jesus died supposedly in about 3 hours after being nailed to the cross, it normally took 2-3 days to die from being crucified,,,and he would not have died on a cross but a stake which was used for crucifixion.....................

 

[irosie91]

And the biggest kicker is that Jesus died after the festival of Passover had already began, and no Jew would handle a dead body during Passover, to also not, that Jesus died supposedly in about 3 hours after being nailed to the cross, it normally took 2-3 days to die from being crucified,,,and he would not have died on a cross but a stake which was used for crucifixion.....................

cover your ass when you discuss sacred things. ----I am not so sure that a dead body could not be taken DOWN on a holiday---leaving a dead body hanging is a really BADIE thing.
Where did you get the STAKE story----is you JW? Romans did not observe Jewish customs-----bums that they were