Think You Know Who Won WWII?

[PoliticalChic]

Gorby offered Reagan a deal to end the cold war and Reagan grabbed it. Both Reagan and Gorby are to be commended for making the deal. It was a deal that would never have been offered under Stalin. It was also fortunate that Reagan was a Republican or the boards would be filled with posts explainng how the Democratic president sold out America and worse, was a commie lover and all the rest of the usual tripe.

This is the pap that was fed to followers like you to try to hide the credit that Reagan deserves.


"SO ON WHOM or what do we bestow the title of the "evil empire's" killer? Was it Mikhail Gorbachev himself who pulled down what Lenin and Stalin had built up? It is tempting to finger Gorbachev, but this would ascribe too much wisdom and foresight to a man who wanted merely to reform, but not to relinquish, the empire. At no point, however, did Gorbachev want to yield Moscow's pride of place as the number two superpower. And he was blissfully confident that the risks were tolerable: "There is no reason to fear the collapse or the end of socialism", Gorbachev assured Romanian leader Nicolae Ceausescu three weeks after the Berlin Wall had been breached and three weeks before the Romanian dictator was executed by his own people."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2751/is_77/ai_n6353166/pg_6/?tag=content;col1

So Reagan got outsmarted too? Sounds like the commies outsmarted all the Americans, unless... unless the Americans were secret commies themselves? Hard to to believe, but Reagan did vote for FDR and he did live in Chicago for a time, in fact near the University of Chicago, where Obama taught, and where they worked on you know what at Stagg Field. Now it's becoming clear, Reagan was also a union leader, and he was in the movie business, and got divorced. Reagan also stayed in Hollywood during the war making propaganda films. It's understandable now whyand then meeting Gorbachev and finally making the "deal."

1. "Sounds like the commies outsmarted all the Americans..."

No....they didn't have to 'outsmart' Liberals, Progressives and Democrats.....those folks agreed with everything the communists believed.



2. "Reagan did vote for FDR ..."

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain.”


― Winston Churchill



3. " Reagan tried to destroy our economy with his tripling the debt..."

In a universe of ignorant statements, this one takes the proverbial cake.

Read and learn:


a. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.

b. But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion

c. Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.

George Gilder: The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ.com

Reaganomics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




You should take notes on my posts, reggie.

 

[Chaussette]

Think You Know Who Won WWII?

The Jews.

 

[edthecynic]

"Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

What a load of bullshit! But that is what is expected of PompousCheek! Your idol hated Marxism.

"On the day when Marxism is smashed in Germany, its fetters are in truth broken forever. For never in our history have we been conquered because of the strength of our opponents, but always only because of our own vices and because of the enemies in our own camp."
-Adolf Hitler

 

[edthecynic]

Of course I know!

It was Germany and Japan!!!

Look at how much better they are now than before the war.

That's because they were limited in military spending as part of their surrender.

 

[edthecynic]

Coulter:
The mob characteristic most gustily exhibited by liberals...

Coulter is probably the only person more ignorant than you!

June 9, 2011
RUSH: Ann, do you mean...? In "mob," do you mean physical, literal mob-like behavior, or do you mean intellectual mob-like? What kind of mob behavior do you mean here?

COULTER: That's a great question, because it's both, actually. The first quarter of the book is on how liberals are a psychological mob. It has to do with their slogans, how they formulate arguments. They get a lot of slogans, whereas conservatives just don't speak in slogans and we don't understand slogans, and for good reason: It's always sort of glib and superficially appealing, but if you stop and actually think about it for five seconds, slogans never make sense.


As gas prices soar, Republicans and oil company executives have revived a rallying cry that echoed around the country the last time gas prices spiked: "Drill, baby, drill!"
Ann Coulter - Apr 23, 2011


Popular CON$ervoFascist slogans:
Drill, Baby, Drill;
I hope he fails;
Drill here, drill now, pay less;
9-9-9 means jobs, jobs, jobs.

 

[edthecynic]

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain.”
― Winston Churchill

As is typical of every quote you post, that is a fake. Churchill never said it, but you never research anything you post, you just copy and paste from GOP scripted hate sites.

 

[edthecynic]

A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...."
NYTimes, November 27, 1925.

As is typical of CON$ervoFascist half quotes, what comes after the .... is quite important. When Goebbels spoke those words to a Nazi Party meeting a RIOT broke out resulting in one death, such was the hate by the Nazis for Marx! The dishonest Right leave that out and PompousCheek is too lazy to check anything she copy and pastes.

The full quote:

“On the speaker’s assertion that Lenin was the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight, a faction war opened with whizzing beer glasses.”
— Joseph Goebbels
​

 

[edthecynic]

War does not determine who is right - only who is left.

Your idol couldn't have said it better!

“The victor will never be asked if he told the truth. ”
― Adolf Hitler, Hitler's Letters and Notes

"It is not truth that matters, but victory."
- Adolf Hitler

 

[PoliticalChic]

Russia was a wasteland in the west. It lost millions of people and much of its infrastructure was destroyed.

Bleipriester is correct. The US was the dominant Superpower. It's currency became the world's reserve currency. It was the unquestioned leader in manufacturing and an economic behemoth the USSR could not match. Global institutions from the World Bank to GATT were effectively US institutions. The US took command over Western military operations through NATO. It's culture was spread throughout the world - who gave a fuck about Russian movies? It's corporations sold products that people around the world wanted.

Without a doubt, the US was the big winner of WWII.

Soviet communism = international socialism.

That translates into the end of national sovereignty.




Have you heard of 'The United Nations."

It's inception was due to Soviet spies in America.



"A young American diplomat was the leading force in the designing of the United Nations. He was secretary of the Dumbarten Oaks Conversations from August to October of 1944 where most of the preliminary planning for the U.N. was done.

He was Roosevelt's right-hand man in February of 1945 at Yalta where the postwar boundaries of Europe were drawn (Roosevelt was a dying man at the time. His death came only ten weeks later).

At Yalta it was agreed that the Soviet Union would have three votes (one each for Russia, Ukraine, and Byelorussia) in the U.N. General Assembly, even though the United States had only one. At Yalta much of Europe was placed under the iron heel of communist rule. At Yalta, Churchill, Roosevelt, and Stalin appointed this young diplomatic shining star to be the first Secretary-general of the U.N. for the founding conference held in San Francisco,April/June of 1945.

All of this seemed well and good until three years later. Alger Hiss was exposed as a communist spy...."
What The U.N. Doesn't Want You To Know




"Without a doubt, the US was the big winner of WWII."

Really?

No offense, PC, but extreme right-wing sources with plots of communist conspiracies to take over world government via the UN are pretty nutty. It sounds very 9/11 twoofer-sih. These so-called communist spies in the US government co-opted everyone else to impose their vision of communist world government on the rest of the unsuspecting Congress and the American people. Uh-huh. And Churchill was a communist too.

1. No offense taken.

I love the debate.

I hope you take notice of my providing indisputable facts....communists, internationalists, one-worlders, behind the formation and advancement of the United Nations.


I recommend "Sovereignty or Submission: Will Americans Rule Themselves or be Ruled by Others?" by John Fonte.



2. Let’s be clear: on a world-wide stage, the alternative is national sovereignty, Sans the strong arm of the United States, the United Nations is seen for what it is: a luncheon club for windbags who don’t pay their parking tickets. Yet, it serves an important function for the totalitarians who dream of world domination: a ‘front’ as they slowly but surely embezzle power, primarily in our nation.

3. “ The delivery also of the people into the subjection of a foreign power, either by the prince, or by the legislative, is certainly a change of the legislative, and so a dissolution of the government: for the end why people entered into society being to be preserved one intire, free, independent society, to be governed by its own laws; this is lost, whenever they are given up into the power of another.”
Locke, “Of Civil Government,” bk2, ch19, sect.217.


4. Beware the ‘sheep’s clothing’ of the UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD), or United Nations convention for the elimination of all forms of discrimination against women, (CEDAW), or the Rights of the Child Convention, etc.

a. Global governance movement claims precedence over a wide area of issues: budget practices, law enforcement, criminal law, criminal law, school curriculum, textbooks, immigration, border enforcement, healthcare, parental care, discipline of children, employment, multilingualism, gender composition of government bodies, among others. UN Human Rights treaties address all of the above.


And all they want in return is our freedom.

 

[PoliticalChic]

A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...."
NYTimes, November 27, 1925.

As is typical of CON$ervoFascist half quotes, what comes after the .... is quite important. When Goebbels spoke those words to a Nazi Party meeting a RIOT broke out resulting in one death, such was the hate by the Nazis for Marx! The dishonest Right leave that out and PompousCheek is too lazy to check anything she copy and pastes.

The full quote:

“On the speaker’s assertion that Lenin was the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight, a faction war opened with whizzing beer glasses.”
— Joseph Goebbels
​

" ....such was the hate by the Nazis for Marx!"

But not Goebbels, and not Hitler.

They believed, and began, as Marxists.....that is the import of the article.



Dope.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

What a load of bullshit! But that is what is expected of PompousCheek! Your idol hated Marxism.

"On the day when Marxism is smashed in Germany, its fetters are in truth broken forever. For never in our history have we been conquered because of the strength of our opponents, but always only because of our own vices and because of the enemies in our own camp."
-Adolf Hitler

Early Nazi posters included the hammer and sickle with the swastika.


So did many of the memorials they built in Poland after both Hitler and Stalin attacked in 1939.


Dunce.

 

[regent]

This is the pap that was fed to followers like you to try to hide the credit that Reagan deserves.


"SO ON WHOM or what do we bestow the title of the "evil empire's" killer? Was it Mikhail Gorbachev himself who pulled down what Lenin and Stalin had built up? It is tempting to finger Gorbachev, but this would ascribe too much wisdom and foresight to a man who wanted merely to reform, but not to relinquish, the empire. At no point, however, did Gorbachev want to yield Moscow's pride of place as the number two superpower. And he was blissfully confident that the risks were tolerable: "There is no reason to fear the collapse or the end of socialism", Gorbachev assured Romanian leader Nicolae Ceausescu three weeks after the Berlin Wall had been breached and three weeks before the Romanian dictator was executed by his own people."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2751/is_77/ai_n6353166/pg_6/?tag=content;col1

So Reagan got outsmarted too? Sounds like the commies outsmarted all the Americans, unless... unless the Americans were secret commies themselves? Hard to to believe, but Reagan did vote for FDR and he did live in Chicago for a time, in fact near the University of Chicago, where Obama taught, and where they worked on you know what at Stagg Field. Now it's becoming clear, Reagan was also a union leader, and he was in the movie business, and got divorced. Reagan also stayed in Hollywood during the war making propaganda films. It's understandable now whyand then meeting Gorbachev and finally making the "deal."

1. "Sounds like the commies outsmarted all the Americans..."

No....they didn't have to 'outsmart' Liberals, Progressives and Democrats.....those folks agreed with everything the communists believed.



2. "Reagan did vote for FDR ..."

“If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty, you have no brain.”


― Winston Churchill



3. " Reagan tried to destroy our economy with his tripling the debt..."

In a universe of ignorant statements, this one takes the proverbial cake.

Read and learn:


a. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.

b. But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion

c. Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.

George Gilder: The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ.com

Reaganomics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




You should take notes on my posts, reggie.

Ah, that Keynes, he even got to Reagan. The thing presidents forget about Keynes is that the borrowed money is to be paid back during the prosperous periods. Did Reagan then pay back the borrowed money during that prosperous period you speak of? Nope, Bush then borrowed more doubling the debt this time and America is once again on its way to a recession/depression.
See it works like this: borrow money when broke, pay back the money when it rolls in. I bet Republicans pointed this out to Reagan and Bush constantly, perhaps even to shutting down the government to get their attention.

 

[Camp]

"Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

What a load of bullshit! But that is what is expected of PompousCheek! Your idol hated Marxism.

"On the day when Marxism is smashed in Germany, its fetters are in truth broken forever. For never in our history have we been conquered because of the strength of our opponents, but always only because of our own vices and because of the enemies in our own camp."
-Adolf Hitler

Early Nazi posters included the hammer and sickle with the swastika.


So did many of the memorials they built in Poland after both Hitler and Stalin attacked in 1939.


Dunce.

I would like to see that hammer and sickle with swastika poster. Do you have a source?

 

[Chaussette]

Didn't the jews win WWII?

 

[regent]

"Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

What a load of bullshit! But that is what is expected of PompousCheek! Your idol hated Marxism.

"On the day when Marxism is smashed in Germany, its fetters are in truth broken forever. For never in our history have we been conquered because of the strength of our opponents, but always only because of our own vices and because of the enemies in our own camp."
-Adolf Hitler

Early Nazi posters included the hammer and sickle with the swastika.


So did many of the memorials they built in Poland after both Hitler and Stalin attacked in 1939.


Dunce.

A number of people including Americans did not believe Hitler during that period of history. Hitler even lied to the Germany people him, telling them all sorts of whoppers simply to get them to follow him? The sad thing is that it seems some Americans still believe in things Hitler said, and use Hitler's quotes as coming from that great swastika in the sky. Who would have dreamed that after all these years we would be telling people that Hitler lied.

 

[Spoonman]

did we really win? what exactly did we win? the cost of the Korean war? the Vietnam war? Yugoslavia? Afghanistan? Iraq? the cold war? the cost of protecting Europe and japan? the cost of rebuilding them? the cost of all of our other police actions and massive foreign aid when we can't even take care of our own people? Is Russia $17,000,000,000,000 in debt and counting? do we really have the freedoms we claim we have? our government spies on us just as much as Russia. our government takes away our freedoms when they need to for their own advantage. hell they even have liberals willingly helping them to do so.

 

[hazlnut]

 

[PoliticalChic]

No problem....it was meant for adults.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What a load of bullshit! But that is what is expected of PompousCheek! Your idol hated Marxism.

"On the day when Marxism is smashed in Germany, its fetters are in truth broken forever. For never in our history have we been conquered because of the strength of our opponents, but always only because of our own vices and because of the enemies in our own camp."
-Adolf Hitler

Early Nazi posters included the hammer and sickle with the swastika.


So did many of the memorials they built in Poland after both Hitler and Stalin attacked in 1939.


Dunce.

I would like to see that hammer and sickle with swastika poster. Do you have a source?

Of course I do!!



- The Soviet Story (Docu) - Full Movie / English - LivingScoop

The Soviet Story," an award winning documentary clarifying the close and personal attachments of Hitler's Nazis and Stalin's Communists.
"Soviet Story" is the most powerful antidote yet to the sanitisation of the past. The film is gripping, audacious and uncompromising. [...] The main aim of the film is to show the close connections—philosophical, political and organisational—between the Nazi and Soviet systems." Europe.view: Telling the Soviet story | The Economist

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Jake gets reflexively defensive whenever anyone attacks: Obama, ObamaCare, Communists and Communism; that's how you can tell he's a real "Republican Moderate"