This judge gets it.

[Auld Phart]

'Armslist is hardly the only source of guns in this country.' Judge dismisses suit against online dealer following Harrison woman's death

Sara Schmidt's father, who serves as administrator of her estate, filed a suit against Armslist, claiming "reckless and unlawful business practices."

www.yahoo.com

""Schmidt was killed by a person so determined to take her life, so consumed by hatred, that he was even willing to take his own. The likelihood that such a person would have found another source from which to obtain a firearm or another way to take Schmidt's life is more plausible than plaintiff's claim that she would still be alive.""

Imagine

someone understands that it is not the firearm that kills, it's the person holding it.

Thoughts?

 

[Otis Mayfield]

"District Judge William Griesbach dismissed Webber's lawsuit against Armslist, concluding Robert Schmidt's actions "constituted a superseding cause, alleviating" Armslist of liability for Sara Schmidt's death."


What does "constituted a superseding cause" mean?

 

[Auld Phart]

"District Judge William Griesbach dismissed Webber's lawsuit against Armslist, concluding Robert Schmidt's actions "constituted a superseding cause, alleviating" Armslist of liability for Sara Schmidt's death."


What does "constituted a superseding cause" mean?

• In other words, a superseding cause is an intervening act that is legally sufficient to transfer blame for the harm in question from the defendant to a third party, or to a natural event. The key difference between an intervening cause and a superseding cause is foreseeability.

 

[BlindBoo]

Imagine

someone understands that it is not the firearm that kills, it's the person holding it.

Thoughts?

That's all well and good, until someone brings up the firearms the ATF lost track of during the so called Fast-n-Furious gun walking scandal in AZ.

 

[Auld Phart]

That's all well and good, until someone brings up the firearms the ATF lost track of during the so called Fast-n-Furious gun walking scandal in AZ.

Really?

those guns came back across the border by themselves, and went on a killing spree?

 

[BlindBoo]

Really?

those guns came back across the border by themselves, and went on a killing spree?

The Rabid Neo-GOP blamed Obama and Holder for Agent Brian Terry's death

The Republicans' 2012 platform directly blames the Obama administration for the shooting death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent, as well as unnamed others along the Mexican frontier.

GOP platform blames Obama Justice Dept. for killing of Border Patrol agent

The GOP platform says Fast and Furious resulted in the death of a U.S. border agent.

thehill.com

 

[Grumblenuts]

Imagine

In other words, a superseding cause (oh, say, not selling or possessing any firearms) is an intervening act that is legally sufficient to transfer blame for the harm in question from the (oh hell, say, a shooting) defendant to a third party, or to a natural event. The key difference between an intervening cause and a superseding cause is foreseeability.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

"District Judge William Griesbach dismissed Webber's lawsuit against Armslist, concluding Robert Schmidt's actions "constituted a superseding cause, alleviating" Armslist of liability for Sara Schmidt's death."


What does "constituted a superseding cause" mean?

It means that, but for the illegal actions of Robert Schmidt, Sara Schmidt would be alive. Armslist had no part in the criminal activity.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The Rabid Neo-GOP blamed Obama and Holder for Agent Brian Terry's death

The Republicans' 2012 platform directly blames the Obama administration for the shooting death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent, as well as unnamed others along the Mexican frontier.

GOP platform blames Obama Justice Dept. for killing of Border Patrol agent

The GOP platform says Fast and Furious resulted in the death of a U.S. border agent.

thehill.com

Dereliction of duty is fault.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Imagine

In other words, a superseding cause (oh, say, not selling or possessing any firearms) is an intervening act that is legally sufficient to transfer blame for the harm in question from the (oh hell, say, a shooting) defendant to a third party, or to a natural event. The key difference between an intervening cause and a superseding cause is foreseeability.

Foreseeable, but hardly preventable.

Next.

 

[2aguy]

The Rabid Neo-GOP blamed Obama and Holder for Agent Brian Terry's death

The Republicans' 2012 platform directly blames the Obama administration for the shooting death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent, as well as unnamed others along the Mexican frontier.

GOP platform blames Obama Justice Dept. for killing of Border Patrol agent

The GOP platform says Fast and Furious resulted in the death of a U.S. border agent.

thehill.com

It was Obama's program, moron......they needed to restart the gun control debate, and planned on doing it by supplying the drug cartels with American guns.......and then someone found out about it......you idiot.

 

[Devils_Advocate]

WillHaftawaite

I have been saying that ever since I slithered on this board.

Without the human interaction with the firearm the firearm itself is harmless, so in the end it take a human to kill and the weapon of choice matter not.

Now the left will disagree and believe if you limit or eliminate the firearm from society the amount of deaths will decrease but I disagree because it is human nature to kill and our society is barbaric as can be…

 

[Grumblenuts]

if you limit or eliminate the firearm from society the amount of deaths will decrease but I disagree because it is human nature to kill and our society is barbaric as can be…

Sure, so let's encourage that barbarity by making killing people quick and easy as possible!
Doh!

 

[2aguy]

WillHaftawaite

I have been saying that ever since I slithered on this board.

Without the human interaction with the firearm the firearm itself is harmless, so in the end it take a human to kill and the weapon of choice matter not.

Now the left will disagree and believe if you limit or eliminate the firearm from society the amount of deaths will decrease but I disagree because it is human nature to kill and our society is barbaric as can be…

Americans use their legal guns 1.2 million times a year to fight off criminals....this is according to the Centers for Disease Control...or 1.5 million times a year if you use the Department of Justice research....

if they didn't have those guns...those rapes, beatings, stabbings, and murders would increase the number of people who are murdered in the middle of those acts........

So, no.....reducing gun ownership would not save lives...

On another note...

Europe took guns away from their various people in the 1920s.....by mid 1930 the socialists began murdering people....by 1945 they had murdered 12 million innocent men, women and children....

that number is greater than the number of Americans killed by criminals with guns over 87 years.......

So again....reducing gun ownership would not save lives....

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The Rabid Neo-GOP blamed Obama and Holder for Agent Brian Terry's death

The Republicans' 2012 platform directly blames the Obama administration for the shooting death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent, as well as unnamed others along the Mexican frontier.

GOP platform blames Obama Justice Dept. for killing of Border Patrol agent

The GOP platform says Fast and Furious resulted in the death of a U.S. border agent.

thehill.com

If the border was secured better, those murders wouldn't have happened.

 

[BlindBoo]

It was Obama's program, moron......they needed to restart the gun control debate, and planned on doing it by supplying the drug cartels with American guns.......and then someone found out about it......you idiot.

The cartels get most of their weapons from the Mexican Military by way of theft. Since we supply most of the Mexican Military with their weapons, you're correct they are mostly American weapons.

What a stupid plan then. American don't give an air born rodent's butt about violence in other countries and the Pseudo-Cons think they were going start a gun control debate over it, here? In the land of guns? That's the stupidest conspiracy theory ever.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

The cartels get most of their weapons from the Mexican Military by way of theft. Since we supply most of the Mexican Military with their weapons, you're correct they are mostly American weapons.

What a stupid plan then. American don't give an air born rodent's butt about violence in other countries and the Pseudo-Cons think they were going start a gun control debate over it, here? In the land of guns? That's the stupidest conspiracy theory ever.

That's inaccurate. American small arms make up a minority of Mexico's military arsenal.

 

[BlindBoo]

That's inaccurate. American small arms make up a minority of Mexico's military arsenal.

According to UN customs data compiled by NISAT, a research group, the United States is by far the largest exporter of military arms to Mexico. The sums are not trivial. The US has exported more than $300 million worth of “military style” weapons to Mexican authorities since the 1960s; more than half of those sales have been since the year 2000. Top exporters following the US are Italy, Belgium, France and Israel, some of the world’s largest manufacturers.

These firearms include crew-serviced machine guns, assault rifles, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, heavy explosives and related munitions, parts and accessories. However, the US and others also sell vast quantities of “civilian-style” weapons, including shotguns, handguns, and related ammunition.

An arms mapping visualization developed by the Igarapé Institute with partners including Google Ideas shows that Mexican imports of all types of weaponry increased steadily from 2006 onward. Moreover, the share of all imports that included military-style weapons shot up from around 10-25 percent a year to 30-50 percent each year during this timeframe.

While many of these weapons are officially destined for the Mexican armed forces and the country’s more than 1,600 federal, state and local police agencies, some of them fall into the hands of cartels and militia. In Mexico, military-style arms are frequently diverted and leaked from official arsenals. In some cases weapons are sent to the wrong customers altogether. For example, a recent high-profile case involved 9,000 firearms shipped illegally to Mexico by a German firm.

Igarape Institute | US arms, exported legally, are behind many violent crimes in Mexico

Global Post - A considerable proportion of illegally acquired firearms in Mexico were originally sold by federally licensed dealers in the US

igarape.org.br

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

According to UN customs data compiled by NISAT, a research group, the United States is by far the largest exporter of military arms to Mexico. The sums are not trivial. The US has exported more than $300 million worth of “military style” weapons to Mexican authorities since the 1960s; more than half of those sales have been since the year 2000. Top exporters following the US are Italy, Belgium, France and Israel, some of the world’s largest manufacturers.

These firearms include crew-serviced machine guns, assault rifles, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, heavy explosives and related munitions, parts and accessories. However, the US and others also sell vast quantities of “civilian-style” weapons, including shotguns, handguns, and related ammunition.

An arms mapping visualization developed by the Igarapé Institute with partners including Google Ideas shows that Mexican imports of all types of weaponry increased steadily from 2006 onward. Moreover, the share of all imports that included military-style weapons shot up from around 10-25 percent a year to 30-50 percent each year during this timeframe.

While many of these weapons are officially destined for the Mexican armed forces and the country’s more than 1,600 federal, state and local police agencies, some of them fall into the hands of cartels and militia. In Mexico, military-style arms are frequently diverted and leaked from official arsenals. In some cases weapons are sent to the wrong customers altogether. For example, a recent high-profile case involved 9,000 firearms shipped illegally to Mexico by a German firm.

Igarape Institute | US arms, exported legally, are behind many violent crimes in Mexico

Global Post - A considerable proportion of illegally acquired firearms in Mexico were originally sold by federally licensed dealers in the US

igarape.org.br

We sell more artillery and trucks to Mexico than anything.

Actually, the Mexicans have quite a few pieces of equipment they've produced themselves. Fascinating stuff.