Three Wounded, Gunman Dead After Florida State University

[MXdad]

Forty four of the killers were white males.

A Guide to Mass Shootings in America Mother Jones

So why are school shooters always white guys?

William Hamby reports that sociologists Rachel Kalish and Michael Kimmel believe school shooters frequently have a sense of “aggrieved entitlement.” Hamby supports their hypothesis, writing, “White men are having a crisis of both aggrievement and entitlement.”

So why are school shooters always white guys

Whackos and criminals come from every race. But if you wanna go down that road how many drug/gang shootings happen just in Chicago Vs US school shootings? How many of those Chi Town shooters are black?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Looks like another gun clutching education hating rightwing savage goes berserk

http://www.newsweek.com/school-shooting-fsu-florida-state-university-285707

You know he was a left-wing Obama loving fucktard like you. right Batshit?

{Myron May, 31, had sent hundreds of students who'd been studying for final exams running for their lives and cowering behind bookshelves. Three people were shot — two outside the building and one in the lobby, police said.}

FSU Gunman Identified As School Alumnus and Attorney Myron May - NBC News

You fucking pile of shit.

 

[Uncensored2008]

ZZZZZzzzzzzzz.....

He was a student, how does that make him education hating?

He was an alumni, and an attorney.

 

[MXdad]

Ugh. Another political food fight another day. Who cares about the victims!? Partisan finger pointing is far more important.

If we care about the victims, we will take steps to get guns out of the hands of nutters. Instead, all we hear is how we should make more guns more readily available to known criminals, known terrorists, known illegals and the mentally ill.

Its a truly idiotic position.

I am not seeing very people advocating to make guns readily available to known criminals, known terrorists, known illegals, and the mentally I'll. Take it down a notch mate.

That being said, I am out of this thread. Using this tragedy so pro-gun and anti-gun folks can tear each other to shreds is distasteful.

Yes, it is distasteful but try being on the receiving end of a gun shot.

Try talking about any degree of controlling who can easily buy guns, buying online, private sales, internet and the screeching about "rights" and "gun grabbing" is deafening.

You really need to read up on gun laws as you continue to display ignorance on the subject.

Go online and buy a gun. It will not ship to you but to an FFL dealer of your choosing who will then preform the background checks and collect his fee from you prior to transferring the weapon.

Folks like you that are clueless as to actual gun laws currently in place crack me up in gun debates.

Come one try again you have nothing but emotion, no knowledge of the subject at all

 

[DigitalDrifter]

He couldn't have been more wrong !!!!!!

 

[Uncensored2008]

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most school shooters are white rightwing savages

https://www.emptywheel.net/2014/06/...ing-on-violence-tied-to-right-wing-extremism/

You're a pile of shit, you little racist fuck.

The shooter was black and a major Obama supporter.

You are the lowest filth on the planet, you racist little fuck, wallowing in the blood of victims to spew your leftist shit.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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You are really just a sack of shit. Lying hypocritical bastard. YOU are the type who make these deaths a political issue. YOU. Fucking bastards.

Enough, you've made a fool of yourself, so can you please quite wallowing in the victims blood now?

 

[MXdad]

WOW the OP really came out looking foolish

 

[koshergrl]

It's not like it's the first time.

One of the funnest thing about guano (and the reason I don't have him on ignore) is he totally doesn't register how incredibly stupid he looks.

 

[MXdad]

So Has the OP been back to discuss this savage

 

[2aguy]

You always wait to see the actual race of the mass shooter before you comment....the democrat controlled media learned this lesson with "George Zimmerman" when they jumped thinking they had a white guy....

 

[jon_berzerk]

Looks like another gun clutching education hating rightwing savage goes berserk

http://www.newsweek.com/school-shooting-fsu-florida-state-university-285707

yeah the guy turned out to be another leftist ideologue

 

[MXdad]

You always wait to see the actual race of the mass shooter before you comment....the democrat controlled media learned this lesson with "George Zimmerman" when they jumped thinking they had a white guy....

Aparently the OP never learned that lesson. But judging by some of his false claims I gave busted concerning guns I get the impression I shouldn't expects much knowledge or fact based debate

 

[HenryBHough]

But.....but....before this minor incident he was so articulate! And, from the photo, cleaned up really nice!

 

[MXdad]

But.....but....before this minor incident he was so articulate! And, from the photo, cleaned up really nice!

I am sure he was a good boy and gentle giant if you will

 

[MXdad]

I bet the OP is stomping his feet crying why couldn't he have been white with overalls and a Bush Tshirt

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Looks like another gun clutching education hating rightwing savage goes berserk

http://www.newsweek.com/school-shooting-fsu-florida-state-university-285707

Yeah looks like it !

Looks like another gun clutching education hating rightwing savage goes berserk

http://www.newsweek.com/school-shooting-fsu-florida-state-university-285707

 

[Pogo]

Every mass shooter in modern times including the monster who killed 30 in Va. Tech Blacksburg was a left winger or a garden variety nut case protected by left wingers. Since the shooter in Fla. has yet to be identified it's premature and downright bigoted for left wing bigots to characterize him as a right winger.

Bullshit. You've floated this mythological turd before and I flushed it for you. You're a liar and a hack.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Looks like another gun clutching education hating rightwing savage goes berserk

http://www.newsweek.com/school-shooting-fsu-florida-state-university-285707

Lol !!!

 

[Esmeralda]

Looks like another gun clutching education hating rightwing savage goes berserk

http://www.newsweek.com/school-shooting-fsu-florida-state-university]-285707

Yet again. Over and over again, only in America. What a country.

What a retarded post. You think the U.S. holds a lock on school shootings? Wow someone is not very aware. Hell out of the top 10 only 2 were in the US

You are the one who is stupid and or ignorant. Post concrete evidence to support your claim that the US is not worst country for school shootings. The fact is, the US has far more school shootings than any other country. America leads the world in school shootings.

Editor's Note: Dr. Frank Ochberg is Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at Michigan State University and former Associate Director of the National Institute of Mental Health.
By Frank Ochberg - Special to CNN

School shootings are far more frequent in America than in other countries, although terrible massacres have occurred in Russia, Israel, and several European nations. In the high-crime neighborhoods of inner cities, school turf is relatively safe. We have learned to harden the target and patrol with vigilance.

And even in those suburbs and small towns where spree killings have occurred, the rates, per capita, are lower now than in previous decades. School is a safe place - until, as in Chardon, Ohio, the unspeakable happens. Then, even though the risks are low, it is fair to ask, why does this still happen? Why here, in America?

Let's be clear. There is no single, certain answer to these questions. The possible factors include failure by classmates, parents and school officials to see the warning signs; bullying and revenge; serious mental illness; violent role models; drugs; access to guns, and a culture that condones extremism.

America has its share of these factors, but which are significant and which are more prevalent here than across the Atlantic?

Warning signs
Students do not become mass killers overnight. They nurse their fantasies and they leak evidence. Insults, threats and plans are posted on websites. Classmates often know when a student is ready to strike back. Parents hear rumblings and have accurate gut sensations.
Within our country there are communities and neighborhoods and school districts that are relatively cohesive, vigilant and able to discuss warning signs of danger. There are some communities that are not as well integrated. They must be coached and helped.

After Columbine and Virginia Tech and other notorious school shootings, new programs to share information were developed and several plots were nipped in the bud. This evolution of information sharing occurs in other countries, but it is difficult to measure, nation to nation, who is ahead and who is behind. I see no proof that America is losing this race to improve detection of warning signs.

Bullying and revenge
We have too many bullies and too many youngsters at the mercy of bullies. But we also have a growing system of anti-bullying school programs. Despite rumors to the contrary, the Columbine killers were not bullied. There is no evidence that America, compared to other nations, has more bullies, more bullying, more victimization, and more victims who are ticking time bombs, hatching plots of lethal vengeance. However, we certainly can and should promote school programs that protect all children from stalking, hazing, and the new, evolving forms of abuse: Ostracism and humiliation through electronic social networks.
When boys are bullied they may fantasize about revenge. To dream of turning the tables on a bully is common to all eras, most cultures, and the source of drama, film and literature from the Elizabethan stage to the spaghetti Western. But whether a slowly evolving fantasy of mass murder is a product of mental illness, of bullying or of other sources, there are usually signs along the way.

Major mental illness
We do not have more major mental illness than most other countries. But we may be less caring of our mentally ill. Back in the Kennedy era, we launched community mental health programs to care for people with schizophrenia and similarly severe disorders, including depression. We wanted treatment available close to home, with compassionate supervision and with proper medication. We tried to stop the revolving door to the asylum, and, in fact, we tore down the large state hospitals. Our best intentions failed.

The program was never fully funded and our American system of care leaves much to be desired. The most serious mental illnesses, schizophrenia and depression, often become overt in adolescence. A boy who is smart enough to get into a good college becomes deluded, obsessed, strange, scary - and he gets rejected, isolated and stuck in a fantasy world. Those fantasies can become lethal. These forms of mental illness are seldom the source of homicide (far more often they torment and demoralize the disturbed individual). But when they are dangerous to others, we need good answers.

We do not have a sophisticated system of care and protection. If we did, Mr. Cho would not have killed 32 students at Virginia Tech. But America is really no worse than other nations when it comes to the numbers of seriously mentally ill, of violently mentally ill, of insufficiently treated violent mentally ill school-age boys. (Yes, we are talking about boys and young men; by far, they are the school shooters).

Violent role models
Violent role models, on the street, in the cinema, in the news, have been with us for as long as I recall, and are not limited to America. Back in the '60s, an American counter culture leader said, "Violence is as American as cherry pie." But other parts of the world, such as Northern Ireland, the Balkans, the children's armies of Africa, the terrorist camps of the Middle East, have their violent role models. Machismo is not an American word, nor is Hooligan.

Drugs
We do have drugs and a drug culture and aspects of this problem are more severe here than in many other parts of the world. Crime is connected to the drug trade and this crime can spill into the school. But the type of school shooting that occurs in the suburb is seldom connected to this urban issue. There may be an indirect connection, since drug wars arm young soldiers of drug wars, and arms are a large issue in America.

Access to guns
Access to guns is a significant factor in American school shootings. If kids could not and did not bring guns to school, we wouldn't have Columbine, Virginia Tech or Chardon, Ohio. There have been crimes with knives and bats and fists. But school shootings are gun crimes. Kids with guns kill kids at school.

I do not think America is an extremist nation, compared to other nations with bloody histories and despotic leaders. True, we have polarized political speech, and some of that speech is about access to guns. But the reason we have an American school shooting problem that exceeds other nations has to do with access to loaded weapons by kids who should not have that access.

I'm not offering a gun control solution. But any serious attempt to prevent school shooting will have to attack the problem by determining who should not be armed, and preventing dangerous boys from bringing guns to school.

The views expressed in this article are solely those of Frank Ochberg. For more on the subject of school shootings, Dr. Ochberg recommends reading reports by the U.S. Secret Service and the FBI.

Why does America lead the world in school shootings 8211 Global Public Square - CNN.com Blogs

How school killings in the US stack up against 36 other countries put together
A mass shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, has—as of the most recent police statements—resulted in the deaths of 27 people, including the gunman. Twenty of those victims were children.

The Academy for Critical Incident Analysis at John Jay College has collected data, compiled from news reports, on 294 attempted or actual multiple killings on school grounds that had two or more victims. The data span 38 countries and nearly 250 years, from 1764 to 2010, and do not include “single homicides, off-campus homicides, killings caused by government actions, militaries, terrorists or militants.”

We tried to limit any effects of possible underreporting of cases by limiting the data set to the most recent ten years of data, between 2000 and 2010, and by counting only incidents in which someone was injured or killed. (Limiting the data to 2000 or after also eliminated one country that no longer exists: Austria-Hungary.)

The results are above. The number of such incidents in the US was only one less than in all the other 36 countries put together. In 13 of those countries there were no incidents at all, either actual or attempted.

In 2010, the US was home to a population of approximately 309 million. The populations of these other countries totaled 3.8 billion.

In the vast majority of US killings, perpetrators used guns. By comparison, China—with the second-greatest number of incidents—saw 10 mass killings, but none involving firearms. Germany saw three mass shootings; Finland saw two. Thirteen other countries each saw one incident with at least one person being wounded or killed; in the rest nobody was reported as hurt.

How school killings in the US stack up against 36 other countries put together 8211 Quartz