Colin Gray: 2nd Degree Murder?

[JoeB131]

The fact that you think a civilian AR-15 is "used on a battlefield" has rendered your validity in this conversation moot.

You may leave now, and don't let the door hit you in your liberal dumb ass.

Guy, why do you guys keep trying to pretend that the AR-15 and M16 aren't essentially the same weapon?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

If a parent buys their kid a car and that kid goes and drives over 20 people in a crowd, is the parent liable?

If a parent buys their kid a 5th of Jack and they then go out and run over people while drunk, should the parent be liable?

 

[airplanemechanic]

Guy, why do you guys keep trying to pretend that the AR-15 and M16 aren't essentially the same weapon?

We do you guys keep trying to pretend that a civilian sporting rifle and a military rifle are the same weapon?

Are a Prius and F350 the same vehicle because they use the same gas? Is a Honda Accord and 130hp Honda outboard the same thing because they use the same engine?

 

[airplanemechanic]

If a parent buys their kid a 5th of Jack and they then go out and run over people while drunk, should the parent be liable?

Absolutely not.

And you can't claim this man "bought his son a rifle." He can't legally own it until 18 so while he might have been allowed to unwrap the box xmas morning, the gun belonged to the father and the son stole it to shoot up the school. If you possess something you don't legally own, you stole it, period.

Dems the facts, dems.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Absolutely not.

I absolutely disagree. Parents need to be held responsible when they enable or abet their children's bad behavior that harms other people.

And you can't claim this man "bought his son a rifle." He can't legally own it until 18 so while he might have been allowed to unwrap the box xmas morning, the gun belonged to the father and the son stole it to shoot up the school. Dems the facts, dems.

The fact he cannot legally own it does not mean the father did not give it to him. It is the very fact that it was illegal for the kid to own it that is leading the father to face charges.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Strychnine and arsenic are not marketed for murder but are regulated because they are dangerous. So are firearms.

 

[citygator]

2nd degree murder sounds like a stretch. I'd like to see him punished as much as the next person but I think the law prevents anything other than involuntary manslaughter - However, my legal training comes from Law & Order reruns so...

 

[M14 Shooter]

I absolutely disagree. Parents need to be held responsible when they enable or abet their children's bad behavior that harms other people.

Wow. That'll put a LOT of inner-city parents in jail.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Absolutely not.

And you can't claim this man "bought his son a rifle." He can't legally own it until 18 so while he might have been allowed to unwrap the box xmas morning, the gun belonged to the father and the son stole it to shoot up the school. If you possess something you don't legally own, you stole it, period.

Dems the facts, dems.

You are absolutely wrong. Buy a teenager booze or a gun, you have a responsibility under the law. That you do not agree is meaningless.

 

[airplanemechanic]

You are absolutely wrong. Buy a teenager booze or a gun, you have a responsibility under the law. That you do not agree is meaningless.

Because its illegal to buy a teenage booze. They can't legally own a gun until 18 so you can't buy it for them. Just like a car. You can buy a teen a car, but you can't put it in their name. It MUST be in the name of an adult. That means it's owned by the adult. Same for firearms. Except a teen can legally drive a car that doesn't belong to them, a child cannot legally use a gun that doesn't belong to them unless they are directly supervised by an adult. It's illegal to bring a gun onto a school campus, so he broke many laws even before stepping foot onto the school grounds.

 

[JoeB131]

We do you guys keep trying to pretend that a civilian sporting rifle and a military rifle are the same weapon?

Are a Prius and F350 the same vehicle because they use the same gas?

This is an AR-15

This is an M-16

Same fucking weapon.

 

[airplanemechanic]

This is an AR-15

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This is an M-16

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Same fucking weapon.

Wrong, you posted the same photo twice. They're both M-16's. You pulled the pic off of wiki.

Idiot.

 

[citygator]

Wrong, you posted the same photo twice. They're both M-16's. You pulled the pic off of wiki.

Idiot.

They are virtually the same except for the firing select option on the M16.

 

[surada]

Do you know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic weapons?

Yes.

 

[surada]

Weapons are the great equalizer. Whether liked or not.

For a home invasion if you're killing people.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Wrong, you posted the same photo twice. They're both M-16's. You pulled the pic off of wiki.
Idiot.

By "idiot" you mean "liar".

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yes.

So when you state the people you know "don't use automatic weapons" for hunting, you mean actual automatic weapons, not semiautomatic weapons.
And you understand that semi-automatic weapons are commonly used in hunting, especially for ducks and geese and hogs.
Right?

 

[M14 Shooter]

They are virtually the same except for the firing select option on the M16.

And thus, they are -not- the same.

 

[citygator]

And thus, they are -not- the same.

Only at the point of purchase. Modifying it is a relatively easy procedure by drilling a hole and using a homemade pin device. It's highly illegal but so is shooting kids in schools. Point being they are really the same with a minor difference but it seems we agree on the difference.