Tom Brady

[Canon Shooter]

Brady's got six rings. He could get #7 on Sunday.

He's been to the Pro Bowl 14 times.

Brady led the Patriots to 17 division titles during his 18 years at New England, including 11 consecutive from 2009 to 2019. He's gone to the AFC championship game 13 times, including eight consecutive appearances from 2011 to 2018.

He's been to the show nine times and has come away with six Super Bowl titles.

On Sunday he'll appear in his 10th Super Bowl (no one else has that many) and could come away with his 7th ring. In his first season with the Bucs he's going to the Super Bowl again.

During his career, Graham threw 174 touchdown passes with 135 interceptions. Brady, on the other hand, has thrown 581 touchdown passes with 191 interceptions.

Graham has 57 career victories. Tom Brady has 218.

Graham has a career passer rating of 78.2, while Brady has a passer rating of 97.3.

I don't like Tom Brady. But when you consider that Brady's career has been, roughly, twice as long as Graham's it's easy to see the superiority of Brady...

 

[TNHarley]

In 1921–1923, the Bulldogs played 25 straight games without a defeat (including 3 ties). As of November 2020, this remains an NFL record.
Poor asslips

Bulldogs? What NFL team is called the Bulldogs?

The Cleveland Indians bought them 100 years ago, you dilapidated bag of dumbfuck.

 

[Skeptic1959]

While everyone is bowing to the feet of Tom Brady and naming him the G.O.A.T. consider this....lost in this shuffle is the accomplishments of the late Otto Graham. For those who don't know sports history, this legendary quarterback for now had surpassed Brady's league titles with SEVEN. And for all the noise about Brady being in his 10th Super Bowl, he falls far from what Graham did in his 10 years in pro football. From the time he debuted in 1946, Graham and the Cleveland Browns made it to the league title game EVERY YEAR Graham was calling the signals.

10 straight league titles, 7 championship rings. Even Mr. Brady has missed the playoffs occasionally. Otto Graham DID NOT. Also Graham's winning percentage for his career was .803 (57-13-1) while Brady's is currently at .769 (230-69).

So before anyone goes crowning Tom Brady as the G.O.A.T. at quarterback Otto Graham's accomplishments SHOULD NOT go unnoticed.
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Not all his championships were NFL championships.

A league title in pro football is still a title...I guess the ABA didn't count either. That means Julius Erving's accomplishments there don't count since it was not the NBA. Stupid comment. Your comment means Arena Football doesn't count for anything either.

 

[Asclepias]

Was this before they let Black people play in the NFL? If so it doesnt count. Much like the time before they allowed Black people play in the NBA. The real competition was missing.

There were black players since the NFLs inception.
Like i said in the other thread, 7/8s of what you say is made up.

Hey retard. The NFL begin in 1920. No Black players until 1946. Math must be hard for you.

Excuse me....do the research before you make a comment like that:

Early years[edit]
Charles Follis is believed to be the first black professional football player, having played for the Shelby Steamfitters from 1902 to 1906. Follis, a two-sport athlete, was paid for his work beginning in 1899.[1]

From its inception in 1920 as a loose coalition of various regional teams, the American Professional Football Association had comparatively few African-American players; a total of nine black players suited up for NFL teams between 1920 and 1926, including future attorney, black activist, and internationally acclaimed artist Paul Robeson, as well as famed race record producer J. Mayo Williams. Fritz Pollard and Bobby Marshall were the first black players in what is now the NFL in 1920. Pollard became the first (and until 1989, only) black coach in 1921; during the early-to-mid-1920s, the league used player-coaches and did not have separate coaching staffs.[citation needed]

1927 through 1933[edit]
After 1926, all five of the black players that were still in the subsequent National Football League left the league. Several teams were kicked out of the league that year, and with a large number of available, talented white players, black players were generally the first to be removed, never to return again. For the next few years, a black player would sporadically pop up on a team: Harold Bradley Sr. played one season with the Chicago Cardinals in 1928, and David Myers played for two New York City-based teams in 1930 and 1931.[1]

In contrast, ethnic minorities of other races were fairly common. Thanks to the efforts of the Carlisle Indian School football program, which ended with the school's closure in 1918, there were numerous Native Americans in the NFL through the 1920s and 1930s, most famously Jim Thorpe. The Dayton Triangles also featured the first two Asian-Americans in the NFL, Chinese-Hawaiian running back Walter Achiu and Japanese-Scottish quarterback Arthur Matsu, both in 1928, and the first Hispanic players in the NFL, Cuban immigrant Ignacio Molinet of the 1927 Frankford Yellow Jackets and Jess Rodriguez of the 1929 Buffalo Bisons, played in the NFL during this time frame.[1]

1934 to 1945[edit]
In 1933, the last year of integration, the NFL had two black players, Joe Lillard and Ray Kemp. Both were gone by the end of the season: Lillard, due largely to his tendency to get into fights, was not invited back to the Chicago Cardinals[2][3] despite in 1933 being responsible for almost half of the Cardinals' points, while Kemp quit of his own accord to pursue a coaching career (one that turned out to be long and successful).[4][5] Many observers will attribute the subsequent lockout of black players to the entry of George Preston Marshall into the league in 1932. Marshall openly refused to have black athletes on his Boston Braves/Washington Redskins team, and reportedly pressured the rest of the league to follow suit. Marshall, however, was likely not the only reason: the Great Depression had stoked an increase in racism and self-inflicted segregation across the country, and internal politics likely had as much of an effect as external pressure.[4] Marshall's hostility was specifically directed at the black race; he openly allowed (and promoted) Native Americans on his team, including his first head coach, Lone Star Dietz, widely believed to be a Native American at the time. The choice of Redskins as his team name in 1933 was in part to maintain the native connotations that came with the team's previous name, the Boston Braves.[6] Another reason for Marshall's anti-black sentiment was to curry favor in the Southern United States. Marshall's Redskins had a strong following in that part of the country, which he vigorously defended, and he stood up against the NFL's efforts to put expansion teams in the South until Clint Murchison, Jr.'s successful extortion attempt (Murchison acquired the rights to the Redskins' fight song and threatened not to let Marshall use the song unless he got an expansion team in Dallas) led to the establishment of the Dallas Cowboys in 1960.[7]

By 1934, there were no more black players in the league.[8][9] The NFL did not have another black player until after World War II.

Most black players either ended up in the minor leagues (six joined the American Association and several others found their way into the Pacific Coast Professional Football League) or found themselves onto all-black barnstorming teams such as the Harlem Brown Bombers. Unlike in baseball, where the Negro leagues flourished, no true football Negro league was known to exist until 1946, and by this time, the major leagues had begun reintegrating.[10]

" first black professional football player" does not equal "played in the NFL". There were plenty of professional leauges that were all Black because white people were afraid to play against them.

So your post shows that there were very few Blacks allowed in the NFL. I rate your guy a non goat then.

 

[Asclepias]

Brady's got six rings. He could get #7 on Sunday.

He's been to the Pro Bowl 14 times.

Brady led the Patriots to 17 division titles during his 18 years at New England, including 11 consecutive from 2009 to 2019. He's gone to the AFC championship game 13 times, including eight consecutive appearances from 2011 to 2018.

He's been to the show nine times and has come away with six Super Bowl titles.

On Sunday he'll appear in his 10th Super Bowl (no one else has that many) and could come away with his 7th ring. In his first season with the Bucs he's going to the Super Bowl again.

During his career, Graham threw 174 touchdown passes with 135 interceptions. Brady, on the other hand, has thrown 581 touchdown passes with 191 interceptions.

Graham has 57 career victories. Tom Brady has 218.

Graham has a career passer rating of 78.2, while Brady has a passer rating of 97.3.

I don't like Tom Brady. But when you consider that Brady's career has been, roughly, twice as long as Graham's it's easy to see the superiority of Brady...

Brady has played against the best albeit in a soft league. I grant him GOAT status.

 

[Canon Shooter]

In 1921–1923, the Bulldogs played 25 straight games without a defeat (including 3 ties). As of November 2020, this remains an NFL record.
Poor asslips

Bulldogs? What NFL team is called the Bulldogs?

The Cleveland Bulldogs were in the NFL until 1928, when they moved to Detroit and became the Detroit Wolverines, not to be confused with these guys:

 

[Skeptic1959]

Brady's got six rings. He could get #7 on Sunday.

He's been to the Pro Bowl 14 times.

Brady led the Patriots to 17 division titles during his 18 years at New England, including 11 consecutive from 2009 to 2019. He's gone to the AFC championship game 13 times, including eight consecutive appearances from 2011 to 2018.

He's been to the show nine times and has come away with six Super Bowl titles.

On Sunday he'll appear in his 10th Super Bowl (no one else has that many) and could come away with his 7th ring. In his first season with the Bucs he's going to the Super Bowl again.

During his career, Graham threw 174 touchdown passes with 135 interceptions. Brady, on the other hand, has thrown 581 touchdown passes with 191 interceptions.

Graham has 57 career victories. Tom Brady has 218.

Graham has a career passer rating of 78.2, while Brady has a passer rating of 97.3.

I don't like Tom Brady. But when you consider that Brady's career has been, roughly, twice as long as Graham's it's easy to see the superiority of Brady...

I'm not saying Brady is not great but he is NOT the greatest ever. A quarterback does not win titles on his own. He has to have a team around him as well. Just because Graham retired early does not discount him. We'll never know if he had played 21 years like Brady what his numbers would have been like. I think it is a great accomplishment that Brady has been on a winning team as much as he has and NO ONE will ever get to 10 Super Bowls again. That's a given. But I'm not ready to crown him the greatest ever based solely on wins. Drew Brees has outdone Brady in several stats so do we ignore that? Had Brees been on one of Belichick's teams does he go to 9 Super Bowls? I bet he does.

 

[TNHarley]

Was this before they let Black people play in the NFL? If so it doesnt count. Much like the time before they allowed Black people play in the NBA. The real competition was missing.

There were black players since the NFLs inception.
Like i said in the other thread, 7/8s of what you say is made up.

Hey retard. The NFL begin in 1920. No Black players until 1946. Math must be hard for you.

Excuse me....do the research before you make a comment like that:

Early years[edit]
Charles Follis is believed to be the first black professional football player, having played for the Shelby Steamfitters from 1902 to 1906. Follis, a two-sport athlete, was paid for his work beginning in 1899.[1]

From its inception in 1920 as a loose coalition of various regional teams, the American Professional Football Association had comparatively few African-American players; a total of nine black players suited up for NFL teams between 1920 and 1926, including future attorney, black activist, and internationally acclaimed artist Paul Robeson, as well as famed race record producer J. Mayo Williams. Fritz Pollard and Bobby Marshall were the first black players in what is now the NFL in 1920. Pollard became the first (and until 1989, only) black coach in 1921; during the early-to-mid-1920s, the league used player-coaches and did not have separate coaching staffs.[citation needed]

1927 through 1933[edit]
After 1926, all five of the black players that were still in the subsequent National Football League left the league. Several teams were kicked out of the league that year, and with a large number of available, talented white players, black players were generally the first to be removed, never to return again. For the next few years, a black player would sporadically pop up on a team: Harold Bradley Sr. played one season with the Chicago Cardinals in 1928, and David Myers played for two New York City-based teams in 1930 and 1931.[1]

In contrast, ethnic minorities of other races were fairly common. Thanks to the efforts of the Carlisle Indian School football program, which ended with the school's closure in 1918, there were numerous Native Americans in the NFL through the 1920s and 1930s, most famously Jim Thorpe. The Dayton Triangles also featured the first two Asian-Americans in the NFL, Chinese-Hawaiian running back Walter Achiu and Japanese-Scottish quarterback Arthur Matsu, both in 1928, and the first Hispanic players in the NFL, Cuban immigrant Ignacio Molinet of the 1927 Frankford Yellow Jackets and Jess Rodriguez of the 1929 Buffalo Bisons, played in the NFL during this time frame.[1]

1934 to 1945[edit]
In 1933, the last year of integration, the NFL had two black players, Joe Lillard and Ray Kemp. Both were gone by the end of the season: Lillard, due largely to his tendency to get into fights, was not invited back to the Chicago Cardinals[2][3] despite in 1933 being responsible for almost half of the Cardinals' points, while Kemp quit of his own accord to pursue a coaching career (one that turned out to be long and successful).[4][5] Many observers will attribute the subsequent lockout of black players to the entry of George Preston Marshall into the league in 1932. Marshall openly refused to have black athletes on his Boston Braves/Washington Redskins team, and reportedly pressured the rest of the league to follow suit. Marshall, however, was likely not the only reason: the Great Depression had stoked an increase in racism and self-inflicted segregation across the country, and internal politics likely had as much of an effect as external pressure.[4] Marshall's hostility was specifically directed at the black race; he openly allowed (and promoted) Native Americans on his team, including his first head coach, Lone Star Dietz, widely believed to be a Native American at the time. The choice of Redskins as his team name in 1933 was in part to maintain the native connotations that came with the team's previous name, the Boston Braves.[6] Another reason for Marshall's anti-black sentiment was to curry favor in the Southern United States. Marshall's Redskins had a strong following in that part of the country, which he vigorously defended, and he stood up against the NFL's efforts to put expansion teams in the South until Clint Murchison, Jr.'s successful extortion attempt (Murchison acquired the rights to the Redskins' fight song and threatened not to let Marshall use the song unless he got an expansion team in Dallas) led to the establishment of the Dallas Cowboys in 1960.[7]

By 1934, there were no more black players in the league.[8][9] The NFL did not have another black player until after World War II.

Most black players either ended up in the minor leagues (six joined the American Association and several others found their way into the Pacific Coast Professional Football League) or found themselves onto all-black barnstorming teams such as the Harlem Brown Bombers. Unlike in baseball, where the Negro leagues flourished, no true football Negro league was known to exist until 1946, and by this time, the major leagues had begun reintegrating.[10]

" first black professional football player" does not equal "played in the NFL". There were plenty of professional leauges that were all Black because white people were afraid to play against them.

So your post shows that there were very few Blacks allowed in the NFL. I rate your guy a non goat then.

It was the APFA, which (drum roll please) later got renamed to the NFL in 1922. They even kept the records from the APFA.
Good lord, shut up now and retain that millimeter of dignity you have left.

 

[Asclepias]

Brady's got six rings. He could get #7 on Sunday.

He's been to the Pro Bowl 14 times.

Brady led the Patriots to 17 division titles during his 18 years at New England, including 11 consecutive from 2009 to 2019. He's gone to the AFC championship game 13 times, including eight consecutive appearances from 2011 to 2018.

He's been to the show nine times and has come away with six Super Bowl titles.

On Sunday he'll appear in his 10th Super Bowl (no one else has that many) and could come away with his 7th ring. In his first season with the Bucs he's going to the Super Bowl again.

During his career, Graham threw 174 touchdown passes with 135 interceptions. Brady, on the other hand, has thrown 581 touchdown passes with 191 interceptions.

Graham has 57 career victories. Tom Brady has 218.

Graham has a career passer rating of 78.2, while Brady has a passer rating of 97.3.

I don't like Tom Brady. But when you consider that Brady's career has been, roughly, twice as long as Graham's it's easy to see the superiority of Brady...

I'm not saying Brady is not great but he is NOT the greatest ever. A quarterback does not win titles on his own. He has to have a team around him as well. Just because Graham retired early does not discount him. We'll never know if he had played 21 years like Brady what his numbers would have been like. I think it is a great accomplishment that Brady has been on a winning team as much as he has and NO ONE will ever get to 10 Super Bowls again. That's a given. But I'm not ready to crown him the greatest ever based solely on wins. Drew Brees has outdone Brady in several stats so do we ignore that? Had Brees been on one of Belichick's teams does he go to 9 Super Bowls? I bet he does.

" He has to have a team around him as well. "

A large part of having a team around you is the leadership ability of the player in question.

 

[Unkotare]

While everyone is bowing to the feet of Tom Brady and naming him the G.O.A.T. consider this....lost in this shuffle is the accomplishments of the late Otto Graham. For those who don't know sports history, this legendary quarterback for now had surpassed Brady's league titles with SEVEN. And for all the noise about Brady being in his 10th Super Bowl, he falls far from what Graham did in his 10 years in pro football. From the time he debuted in 1946, Graham and the Cleveland Browns made it to the league title game EVERY YEAR Graham was calling the signals.

10 straight league titles, 7 championship rings. Even Mr. Brady has missed the playoffs occasionally. Otto Graham DID NOT. Also Graham's winning percentage for his career was .803 (57-13-1) while Brady's is currently at .769 (230-69).

So before anyone goes crowning Tom Brady as the G.O.A.T. at quarterback Otto Graham's accomplishments SHOULD NOT go unnoticed.
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I haven't read the rest of the thread, but I assume someone has informed this dope about what he has missed.

 

[Skeptic1959]

Brady's got six rings. He could get #7 on Sunday.

He's been to the Pro Bowl 14 times.

Brady led the Patriots to 17 division titles during his 18 years at New England, including 11 consecutive from 2009 to 2019. He's gone to the AFC championship game 13 times, including eight consecutive appearances from 2011 to 2018.

He's been to the show nine times and has come away with six Super Bowl titles.

On Sunday he'll appear in his 10th Super Bowl (no one else has that many) and could come away with his 7th ring. In his first season with the Bucs he's going to the Super Bowl again.

During his career, Graham threw 174 touchdown passes with 135 interceptions. Brady, on the other hand, has thrown 581 touchdown passes with 191 interceptions.

Graham has 57 career victories. Tom Brady has 218.

Graham has a career passer rating of 78.2, while Brady has a passer rating of 97.3.

I don't like Tom Brady. But when you consider that Brady's career has been, roughly, twice as long as Graham's it's easy to see the superiority of Brady...

By the way Graham had 44 rushing touchdowns in 10 seasons with 882 yards rushing. Brady? 25 in 21 years and 3.5 yards rushing per game compared to Graham's 7.0. Graham had more all around ability...obviously.

 

[Skeptic1959]

Brady's got six rings. He could get #7 on Sunday.

He's been to the Pro Bowl 14 times.

Brady led the Patriots to 17 division titles during his 18 years at New England, including 11 consecutive from 2009 to 2019. He's gone to the AFC championship game 13 times, including eight consecutive appearances from 2011 to 2018.

He's been to the show nine times and has come away with six Super Bowl titles.

On Sunday he'll appear in his 10th Super Bowl (no one else has that many) and could come away with his 7th ring. In his first season with the Bucs he's going to the Super Bowl again.

During his career, Graham threw 174 touchdown passes with 135 interceptions. Brady, on the other hand, has thrown 581 touchdown passes with 191 interceptions.

Graham has 57 career victories. Tom Brady has 218.

Graham has a career passer rating of 78.2, while Brady has a passer rating of 97.3.

I don't like Tom Brady. But when you consider that Brady's career has been, roughly, twice as long as Graham's it's easy to see the superiority of Brady...

I'm not saying Brady is not great but he is NOT the greatest ever. A quarterback does not win titles on his own. He has to have a team around him as well. Just because Graham retired early does not discount him. We'll never know if he had played 21 years like Brady what his numbers would have been like. I think it is a great accomplishment that Brady has been on a winning team as much as he has and NO ONE will ever get to 10 Super Bowls again. That's a given. But I'm not ready to crown him the greatest ever based solely on wins. Drew Brees has outdone Brady in several stats so do we ignore that? Had Brees been on one of Belichick's teams does he go to 9 Super Bowls? I bet he does.

" He has to have a team around him as well. "

A large part of having a team around you is the leadership ability of the player in question.

Which is why Graham had 7 titles and 10 championship appearances in 10 years.

 

[Asclepias]

Brady's got six rings. He could get #7 on Sunday.

He's been to the Pro Bowl 14 times.

Brady led the Patriots to 17 division titles during his 18 years at New England, including 11 consecutive from 2009 to 2019. He's gone to the AFC championship game 13 times, including eight consecutive appearances from 2011 to 2018.

He's been to the show nine times and has come away with six Super Bowl titles.

On Sunday he'll appear in his 10th Super Bowl (no one else has that many) and could come away with his 7th ring. In his first season with the Bucs he's going to the Super Bowl again.

During his career, Graham threw 174 touchdown passes with 135 interceptions. Brady, on the other hand, has thrown 581 touchdown passes with 191 interceptions.

Graham has 57 career victories. Tom Brady has 218.

Graham has a career passer rating of 78.2, while Brady has a passer rating of 97.3.

I don't like Tom Brady. But when you consider that Brady's career has been, roughly, twice as long as Graham's it's easy to see the superiority of Brady...

I'm not saying Brady is not great but he is NOT the greatest ever. A quarterback does not win titles on his own. He has to have a team around him as well. Just because Graham retired early does not discount him. We'll never know if he had played 21 years like Brady what his numbers would have been like. I think it is a great accomplishment that Brady has been on a winning team as much as he has and NO ONE will ever get to 10 Super Bowls again. That's a given. But I'm not ready to crown him the greatest ever based solely on wins. Drew Brees has outdone Brady in several stats so do we ignore that? Had Brees been on one of Belichick's teams does he go to 9 Super Bowls? I bet he does.

" He has to have a team around him as well. "

A large part of having a team around you is the leadership ability of the player in question.

Which is why Graham had 7 titles and 10 championship appearances in 10 years.

Against much inferior competition.

 

[Unkotare]

...
I'm not saying Brady is not great but he is NOT the greatest ever. .....

Brady is not only the greatest quarterback ever, he is the greatest football player ever. No one else is even close.

 

[Unkotare]

Has anyone pointed out that for half his short career there were only 10 teams that only played 11 games? Sorry, no comparison.

 

[Skeptic1959]

...
I'm not saying Brady is not great but he is NOT the greatest ever. .....

Brady is not only the greatest quarterback ever, he is the greatest football player ever. No one else is even close.

based on what? just because he made it to so many super Bowls? I guess you never heard of the name Jim Brown? Walter Payton? O.J. Simpson (even though is a scumbag). I could go on and on about players who were far superior to Tom Brady in athletic ability and what they accomplished on the field. Brady has been a great quarterback for sure but was lucky enough to be on teams that were well coached and had talent around him. There is NO WAY he is the greatest player in history. That's a complete joke and slap in the face to the great players that came way before him. You must be young...

 

[Desperado]

Brady's got six rings. He could get #7 on Sunday.

He's been to the Pro Bowl 14 times.

Brady led the Patriots to 17 division titles during his 18 years at New England, including 11 consecutive from 2009 to 2019. He's gone to the AFC championship game 13 times, including eight consecutive appearances from 2011 to 2018.

He's been to the show nine times and has come away with six Super Bowl titles.

On Sunday he'll appear in his 10th Super Bowl (no one else has that many) and could come away with his 7th ring. In his first season with the Bucs he's going to the Super Bowl again.

During his career, Graham threw 174 touchdown passes with 135 interceptions. Brady, on the other hand, has thrown 581 touchdown passes with 191 interceptions.

Graham has 57 career victories. Tom Brady has 218.

Graham has a career passer rating of 78.2, while Brady has a passer rating of 97.3.

I don't like Tom Brady. But when you consider that Brady's career has been, roughly, twice as long as Graham's it's easy to see the superiority of Brady...

I'm not saying Brady is not great but he is NOT the greatest ever. A quarterback does not win titles on his own. He has to have a team around him as well. Just because Graham retired early does not discount him. We'll never know if he had played 21 years like Brady what his numbers would have been like. I think it is a great accomplishment that Brady has been on a winning team as much as he has and NO ONE will ever get to 10 Super Bowls again. That's a given. But I'm not ready to crown him the greatest ever based solely on wins. Drew Brees has outdone Brady in several stats so do we ignore that? Had Brees been on one of Belichick's teams does he go to 9 Super Bowls? I bet he does.

and if the know it all Nick Saban had picked Drew Brees over his choice of Dante Culpepper the Fins may have stopped Brady's post season record and we would not be having this conversation

 

[Asclepias]

...
I'm not saying Brady is not great but he is NOT the greatest ever. .....

Brady is not only the greatest quarterback ever, he is the greatest football player ever. No one else is even close.

Ok you've been sippin on a little too much soju now. He may be the GOAT quarterback but he isnt the GOAT football player.

 

[Unkotare]

Have you watched any football at all over the past 20 years?

 

[Desperado]

...
I'm not saying Brady is not great but he is NOT the greatest ever. .....

Brady is not only the greatest quarterback ever, he is the greatest football player ever. No one else is even close.

Ok you've been sippin on a little too much soju now. He may be the GOAT quarterback but he isnt the GOAT football player.

tell us who you think is the GOAT football player