Toughest gun laws...record homicide...same city...

[asaratis]

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Police say the homicide rate is a reflection of the city's gang problem and a proliferation of guns. Chicago has for years tried to cut off the flow of guns. It has what city officials have called the strictest handgun ordinance in the U.S.


Note that cutting the flow of guns to law abiding citizens has not affected the flow of guns to criminals. You liberal gun-grabbers try to remember that!

 

[Claudette]

Those for bans on guns don't seem to realize. Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

If a person has that mindset then it won't matter how many gun laws you try to enforce. They will find a way to get a gun and carry out their crimes.

Hell. You could give a law abiding person a shotgun. An MP5 and strap six shooters on both hips. A law abiding person doesn't have the mindset to kill unless in self defense. He could walk around with those guns on all day and never use em.

Its the mindset folks. Not the guns that are the problem.

 

[thanatos144]

It isn't about guns it is about control to the fascists.

 

[USNavyVet]

It isn't about guns it is about control to the fascists.

I completely agree.

 

[asaratis]

It isn't about guns it is about control to the fascists.

I completely agree.

As do I!

In the beginning stages of Marxism/Socialism....the common people are first disarmed, then enslaved. It does not work the other way round!

In all of the countries undergoing violent political change, what is it that the rebels want in the way of assistance?.....weapons!

 

[JoeB131]

News From AP | TBO.com


Police say the homicide rate is a reflection of the city's gang problem and a proliferation of guns. Chicago has for years tried to cut off the flow of guns. It has what city officials have called the strictest handgun ordinance in the U.S.


Note that cutting the flow of guns to law abiding citizens has not affected the flow of guns to criminals. You liberal gun-grabbers try to remember that!

It only shows that you can't do gun control on a local level, any more than you can declare one beach "shark free" when the ocean is swimming with them.

 

[asaratis]

News From AP | TBO.com


Police say the homicide rate is a reflection of the city's gang problem and a proliferation of guns. Chicago has for years tried to cut off the flow of guns. It has what city officials have called the strictest handgun ordinance in the U.S.


Note that cutting the flow of guns to law abiding citizens has not affected the flow of guns to criminals. You liberal gun-grabbers try to remember that!

It only shows that you can't do gun control on a local level, any more than you can declare one beach "shark free" when the ocean is swimming with them.

Do you mean to say that if all the US had the same gun rules as does Chicago, the gang members in Chicago would not be able to procure guns?

 

[Saigon]

Meanwhile, back in Factland - Illinois now rates #23 in gun-related homicide rates by state (2012 stats). In 2004 it ranked #7.

Joe is absolutely right that local gun control is never going to work very effectively when you have other states wit more liberal gun laws right next door, but it does seem to have also had some effect.

Gun crime statistics by US state: download the data. Visualised | World news | guardian.co.uk

 

[Sallow]

News From AP | TBO.com


Police say the homicide rate is a reflection of the city's gang problem and a proliferation of guns. Chicago has for years tried to cut off the flow of guns. It has what city officials have called the strictest handgun ordinance in the U.S.


Note that cutting the flow of guns to law abiding citizens has not affected the flow of guns to criminals. You liberal gun-grabbers try to remember that!

It only shows that you can't do gun control on a local level, any more than you can declare one beach "shark free" when the ocean is swimming with them.

Do you mean to say that if all the US had the same gun rules as does Chicago, the gang members in Chicago would not be able to procure guns?

They wouldn't be able to get as many guns.

Doesn't mean they would be completely stopped.

Funny thing about a nation wide effort to stem the flow of guns into the hands of criminals.

It generally has the effect of stemming the flow of guns into the hands of criminals.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Meanwhile, back in Factland - Illinois now rates #23 in gun-related homicide rates by state (2012 stats). In 2004 it ranked #7.

Joe is absolutely right that local gun control is never going to work very effectively when you have other states wit more liberal gun laws right next door, but it does seem to have also had some effect.

Gun crime statistics by US state: download the data. Visualised | World news | guardian.co.uk

Yep because there are more lawful guns now since McDonald and Heller.

 

[Saigon]

]Do you mean to say that if all the US had the same gun rules as does Chicago, the gang members in Chicago would not be able to procure guns?

I can't speak for Joe, but I would say that if Illinois (and neighbouring states) had the same safety-based laws as are used in Canada, France, the UK or Germany, they would likely also have a homicide rate roughly similar to the mean average of those countries.

That could mean a drop of more than half.

 

[Sallow]

Meanwhile, back in Factland - Illinois now rates #23 in gun-related homicide rates by state (2012 stats). In 2004 it ranked #7.

Joe is absolutely right that local gun control is never going to work very effectively when you have other states wit more liberal gun laws right next door, but it does seem to have also had some effect.

Gun crime statistics by US state: download the data. Visualised | World news | guardian.co.uk

We had a 9 day streak of no homocides in NYC last week.

Thats part and parcel with our tough gun laws.

 

[Saigon]

Yep because there are more lawful guns now since McDonald and Heller.

So the tightening of gun laws has meant more guns on the streets?

That doesn't sound like a great piece of legislation!

 

[asaratis]

Meanwhile, back in Factland - Illinois now rates #23 in gun-related homicide rates by state (2012 stats). In 2004 it ranked #7.

Joe is absolutely right that local gun control is never going to work very effectively when you have other states wit more liberal gun laws right next door, but it does seem to have also had some effect.

Gun crime statistics by US state: download the data. Visualised | World news | guardian.co.uk

I don't recall comparing rates of gun-related homicides. To say that Chicago reached a new RECORD of their own does not support an argument that their gun laws are working. I agree that guns from neighboring states (and other places in Illinois) are likely contributing to the number of illegal guns in Chicago. Wides[read adoption of their law would prevent the flow of illegal weapons and likely would have no effect on the homicide count.

It is the gang culture that nurtures murder in Chicago. It is a mindset. It is a problem with humans...not guns!

 

[JoeB131]

News From AP | TBO.com


Police say the homicide rate is a reflection of the city's gang problem and a proliferation of guns. Chicago has for years tried to cut off the flow of guns. It has what city officials have called the strictest handgun ordinance in the U.S.


Note that cutting the flow of guns to law abiding citizens has not affected the flow of guns to criminals. You liberal gun-grabbers try to remember that!

It only shows that you can't do gun control on a local level, any more than you can declare one beach "shark free" when the ocean is swimming with them.

Do you mean to say that if all the US had the same gun rules as does Chicago, the gang members in Chicago would not be able to procure guns?

You mean if all of Japan had the same gun laws as Tokyo, Yakuza members in Tokyo would not be able to procure guns?

Maybe. Maybe not. of course, Japan only had 11 gun murders for the whole country in 2008.

You mean if all of Germany had the same gun laws as Hamburg, gangs in Hamburg would not be able to procure guns? Hmmmm. . Germany had 158 gun murders in 2012.

So how is the US stacking up. We had 11,101 gun murders in 2012. Of those, 500 happened in Chicago. So, yes, with about 1% of the population, we had 5% of the gun murders.

But this has a lot more to do with the fact the gun industry has intentionally undermined Chicago's gun laws by setting up gun shops that lose money on its outskirts.

 

[Saigon]

It is the gang culture that nurtures murder in Chicago. It is a mindset. It is a problem with humans...not guns!

So what do you think would happen to the total homicide rate if gangs would it difficult to acquire guns?

Because I think it would fall dramatically.

Every big city around the world has gangs (to some extent), but few have the homicide rate Chicago has.

 

[JoeB131]

Meanwhile, back in Factland - Illinois now rates #23 in gun-related homicide rates by state (2012 stats). In 2004 it ranked #7.

Joe is absolutely right that local gun control is never going to work very effectively when you have other states wit more liberal gun laws right next door, but it does seem to have also had some effect.

Gun crime statistics by US state: download the data. Visualised | World news | guardian.co.uk

It's not just neighboring states.

Right next to Chicago is a craphole called Cicero, where I had the bad luck to own property in the 1990's. Cicero was most famous for having a mobbed up town government (several mayors have gone to prison) being a nest of prostitution, and for having gun shops that pretty openly sold guns to Chicago gangs.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Yep because there are more lawful guns now since McDonald and Heller.

So the tightening of gun laws has meant more guns on the streets?

That doesn't sound like a great piece of legislation!

More lawful guns dropped Chicago from 7th to 23rd in homicide.

 

[asaratis]

]Do you mean to say that if all the US had the same gun rules as does Chicago, the gang members in Chicago would not be able to procure guns?

I can't speak for Joe, but I would say that if Illinois (and neighbouring states) had the same safety-based laws as are used in Canada, France, the UK or Germany, they would likely also have a homicide rate roughly similar to the mean average of those countries.

That could mean a drop of more than half.

They would have to get rid of the gang culture to be considered comparable in human behavior. Chicago is a cesspool and a Mecca for worthless punks.

 

[Sallow]

Yep because there are more lawful guns now since McDonald and Heller.

So the tightening of gun laws has meant more guns on the streets?

That doesn't sound like a great piece of legislation!

More lawful guns dropped Chicago from 7th to 23rd in homicide.

No they didn't.

"Lawful" guns generally lead to more suicides by gun..and accidental shootings.

Not a drop in crime.