Trmxit will happen this fall

[HappyJoy]

From the same link:

Human rights violations[edit]
See also: Military dictatorship of Chile (1973–90) § Human rights violations, and Human rights violations in Pinochet's Chile
Pinochet's regime was responsible for various human rights abuses during its reign, including murder and torture of political opponents. According to a government commission report that included testimony from more than 30,000 people, Pinochet's government killed at least 3,197 people and tortured about 29,000. Two-thirds of the cases listed in the report happened in 1973.[141]

Professor Clive Foss, in The Tyrants: 2500 Years of Absolute Power and Corruption (Quercus Publishing 2006), estimates that 1,500–2,000 Chileans were killed or "disappeared" during the Pinochet regime. In October 1979, the New York Times reported that Amnesty Internationalhad documented the disappearance of approximately 1,500 Chileans since 1973.[142] Among the killed and disappeared during the military regime were at least 663 Marxist MIR guerrillas.[143] The Manuel Rodríguez Patriotic Front, however, has stated that only 49 FPMR guerrillas were killed but hundreds detained and tortured.[144] According to a study in Latin American Perspectives,[145] at least 200,000 Chileans (about 2% of Chile's 1973 population) were forced to go into exile. Additionally, hundreds of thousands left the country in the wake of the economic crises that followed the military coup during the 1970s and 1980s.[145] Some of the key individuals who fled because of political persecution were followed in their exile by the DINA secret police, in the framework of Operation Condor, which linked South Americanmilitary dictatorships together against political opponents.

According to Peter Kornbluh in The Pinochet File, "routine sadism was taken to extremes" in the prison camps. The rape of women was common, including sexual torture such as the insertion of rats into genitals and "unnatural acts involving dogs." Detainees were forcibly immersed in vats of urine and excrement. Beatings with gun butts, fists and chains were routine; one technique known as "the telephone" involved the torturer slamming "his open hands hard and rhythmically against the ears of the victim," leaving the person deaf. At Villa Grimaldi, prisoners were dragged into the parking lot and had the bones in their legs crushed as they were run over with trucks. Some died from torture; prisoners were beaten with chains and left to die from internal injuries.[146] Following abuse and execution, corpses were interred in secret graves, dropped into rivers or the ocean, or just dumped on urban streets in the night. The body of the renowned Chilean singer, theatre director and academic Víctor Jara was found in a dirty canal "with his hands and face extremely disfigured" and with "forty-four bullet holes."[147]

The actions of some soldiers under Pinochet were indeed reprehensible. You, like the phony courts...
Need to provide evidence Pinochet okay'd these abuses. There is NONE. Zero. Zip. Nada. Which is why he died a free man. He was a hero. End of story, commie lover.

Bullshit .. he was a war criminal.

Lincoln was a war criminal. Pinochet was a hero to his people who saved Chile from becoming a Soviet client state.

^Patriotic American voting for Trump. Lincoln = war criminal, Pinochet = hero.

Yes, that's 100% accurate. Are you trying to claim that Lincoln didn't wipe his ass on the Constitution and slaughter 850,000 Americans? When it comes to killing your own citizens, Lincoln makes Pinochet look like a school boy.

^Thinks the confederates were just minding their own business, still unable to raise a single dime to vote out a one Minnesota politician.

 

[bripat9643]

The actions of some soldiers under Pinochet were indeed reprehensible. You, like the phony courts...
Need to provide evidence Pinochet okay'd these abuses. There is NONE. Zero. Zip. Nada. Which is why he died a free man. He was a hero. End of story, commie lover.

Bullshit .. he was a war criminal.

Lincoln was a war criminal. Pinochet was a hero to his people who saved Chile from becoming a Soviet client state.

^Patriotic American voting for Trump. Lincoln = war criminal, Pinochet = hero.

Yes, that's 100% accurate. Are you trying to claim that Lincoln didn't wipe his ass on the Constitution and slaughter 850,000 Americans? When it comes to killing your own citizens, Lincoln makes Pinochet look like a school boy.

^Thinks the confederates were just minding their own business, still unable to raise a single dime to vote out a singe Minnesota politician.

Weren't they minding their own business before Lincoln sent an army of 18,000 men to invade them?

 

[HappyJoy]

Socialism like in Europe compared to fascism like in Europe? If you honestly believe they are equal parts then you have problems.

These loserterians know next to shit about political science, but they'll scream until they're blue in the face to tell you what they believe it means. Social democracy has created a system that works very well that uses capitalism, socialism and common sense to make the most stable society's in the history of our species.

Swimexpert is just like Jake, they know their party is a mess, a definite net negative to this country, it has been for quite sometime but they are fighting the same wars. It's no longer Ronald Reagan on one side and Ted Kennedy on the other. The GOP has turned into a mass of retards and the only ones stopping them are Democrats.

But Swim Expert thinks Democratic Socialism is just as bad as fascism. Never mind between the two front runners there are exactly zero Democratic Socialists and only one potential fascist.

No, Swim Expert is fed up with your shit, and he's going to kill you. Sue me.

Ah, SwimExpert is drowning in his own piss and tears.

Then again, anyone who thinks Democratic Socialism is just as bad as fascism probably can't swim either.

Democratic socialism is fascism. Sure, in its early phases it may seem relatively peaceful, but as collapse approaches it becomes more and more authoritarian and oppressive. Simply look at Venezuela to see what the future holds. Now the government is shooting people because they want food.

Sorry, we're all socialists now. Watch out, I might want your shit.

 

[HappyJoy]

Bullshit .. he was a war criminal.

Lincoln was a war criminal. Pinochet was a hero to his people who saved Chile from becoming a Soviet client state.

^Patriotic American voting for Trump. Lincoln = war criminal, Pinochet = hero.

Yes, that's 100% accurate. Are you trying to claim that Lincoln didn't wipe his ass on the Constitution and slaughter 850,000 Americans? When it comes to killing your own citizens, Lincoln makes Pinochet look like a school boy.

^Thinks the confederates were just minding their own business, still unable to raise a single dime to vote out a singe Minnesota politician.

Weren't they minding their own business before Lincoln sent an army of 18,000 men to invade them?

They seceded from the Union on the idea that they had the right to hold fellow humans in bondage. You guys lost the PR war before the last century even began.

 

[bripat9643]

These loserterians know next to shit about political science, but they'll scream until they're blue in the face to tell you what they believe it means. Social democracy has created a system that works very well that uses capitalism, socialism and common sense to make the most stable society's in the history of our species.

Swimexpert is just like Jake, they know their party is a mess, a definite net negative to this country, it has been for quite sometime but they are fighting the same wars. It's no longer Ronald Reagan on one side and Ted Kennedy on the other. The GOP has turned into a mass of retards and the only ones stopping them are Democrats.

But Swim Expert thinks Democratic Socialism is just as bad as fascism. Never mind between the two front runners there are exactly zero Democratic Socialists and only one potential fascist.

No, Swim Expert is fed up with your shit, and he's going to kill you. Sue me.

Ah, SwimExpert is drowning in his own piss and tears.

Then again, anyone who thinks Democratic Socialism is just as bad as fascism probably can't swim either.

Democratic socialism is fascism. Sure, in its early phases it may seem relatively peaceful, but as collapse approaches it becomes more and more authoritarian and oppressive. Simply look at Venezuela to see what the future holds. Now the government is shooting people because they want food.

Sorry, we're all socialists now. Watch out, I might want your shit.

I know. That's why I post on boards like this one: to warn everyone that douche bags like you are coming to enslave us all and take our stuff.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Civilization is a socialist concept. Working together to build homes, farm, heal(hospitals with doctors), educating our youth.Dumb ass, probably should be whining about how we need to give up on civilization.

 

[bripat9643]

Lincoln was a war criminal. Pinochet was a hero to his people who saved Chile from becoming a Soviet client state.

^Patriotic American voting for Trump. Lincoln = war criminal, Pinochet = hero.

Yes, that's 100% accurate. Are you trying to claim that Lincoln didn't wipe his ass on the Constitution and slaughter 850,000 Americans? When it comes to killing your own citizens, Lincoln makes Pinochet look like a school boy.

^Thinks the confederates were just minding their own business, still unable to raise a single dime to vote out a singe Minnesota politician.

Weren't they minding their own business before Lincoln sent an army of 18,000 men to invade them?

They seceded from the Union on the idea that they had the right to hold fellow humans in bondage. You guys lost the PR war before the last century even began.

It doesn't matter what the reason was, they had every right to secede from the union. Lincoln had no authority to invade them. That much is certain.

You tend to lose PR wars when a foreign government invades your territory, slaughters your people and imposes a dictatorship on the ones who survive.

 

[HappyJoy]

Look Jake, the little fascist is saying what we all know. If Trump wins, I hope you can live with it.

You're an idiot. Pinochet was not a fascist. He was the head of a legal military junta and a hero. I'm a capitalist, not some corporatist piece of shit like Hillary and the Democrats.

Augusto Pinochet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pinochet assumed power in Chile following a United States-backed coup d'état on 11 September 1973 that overthrew the elected socialist Unidad Popular government of PresidentSalvador Allende and ended civilian rule. Several academics have stated that the support of the United States was crucial to the coup and the consolidation of power afterward.[6][7][8]Pinochet had been promoted to Commander-in-Chief of the Army by Allende on 23 August 1973, having been its General Chief of Staff since early 1972.[9] In December 1974, the rulingmilitary junta appointed Pinochet President of Chile by joint decree, although without the support of one of the coup's instigators, Air Force General Gustavo Leigh.[10]

From the start of the new military government harsh measures were implemented.[11] During the period of Pinochet's rule, various investigations have identified the murder of 1,200 to 3,200 people with up to 80,000 people forcibly interned and as many as 30,000 tortured.[12][13][14] As of 2011, the official number of deaths and forced disappearances stands at 3,065.[15]
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By "harsh measures" you mean fighting a civil war against communist insurgents, many of whom were sent from Cuba.

^Likes fascism, voting for Trump

ROFL! The fascists are all voting for Hillary.

Let me know when the last fascist regime had the support of almost every minority group. Actually, that's the one thing that is special about the United States is that through our own path forward, as the world's melting pot we have built up a natural wall against fascism because we have large minority populations and we all know, minorities usually aren't too crazy about fascists.

 

[HappyJoy]

Swimexpert is just like Jake, they know their party is a mess, a definite net negative to this country, it has been for quite sometime but they are fighting the same wars. It's no longer Ronald Reagan on one side and Ted Kennedy on the other. The GOP has turned into a mass of retards and the only ones stopping them are Democrats.

But Swim Expert thinks Democratic Socialism is just as bad as fascism. Never mind between the two front runners there are exactly zero Democratic Socialists and only one potential fascist.

No, Swim Expert is fed up with your shit, and he's going to kill you. Sue me.

Ah, SwimExpert is drowning in his own piss and tears.

Then again, anyone who thinks Democratic Socialism is just as bad as fascism probably can't swim either.

Democratic socialism is fascism. Sure, in its early phases it may seem relatively peaceful, but as collapse approaches it becomes more and more authoritarian and oppressive. Simply look at Venezuela to see what the future holds. Now the government is shooting people because they want food.

Sorry, we're all socialists now. Watch out, I might want your shit.

I know. That's why I post on boards like this one: to warn everyone that douche bags like you are coming to enslave us all and take our stuff.

You post on forums to remind people that Lincoln is a war criminal? Are you surprised when no one shows up (including you) to fund your ridiculous Go Fund Me campaigns?

 

[bripat9643]

Civilization is a socialist concept. Working together to build homes, farm, heal(hospitals with doctors), educating our youth.Dumb ass, probably should be whining about how we need to give up on civilization.

What you really mean is that the state (government) is a form of parasitism in which the predators settle in amongst their prey. "working together" constitutes socialism only when one party is holding a gun or a sword against the head or neck of the people doing the actual work. The theory that we couldn't have homes, schools, hospitals and farms without some slave master compelling us to build them is pure idiocy.

 

[HappyJoy]

^Patriotic American voting for Trump. Lincoln = war criminal, Pinochet = hero.

Yes, that's 100% accurate. Are you trying to claim that Lincoln didn't wipe his ass on the Constitution and slaughter 850,000 Americans? When it comes to killing your own citizens, Lincoln makes Pinochet look like a school boy.

^Thinks the confederates were just minding their own business, still unable to raise a single dime to vote out a singe Minnesota politician.

Weren't they minding their own business before Lincoln sent an army of 18,000 men to invade them?

They seceded from the Union on the idea that they had the right to hold fellow humans in bondage. You guys lost the PR war before the last century even began.

It doesn't matter what the reason was, they had every right to secede from the union. Lincoln had no authority to invade them. That much is certain.

You tend to lose PR wars when a foreign government invades your territory, slaughters your people and imposes a dictatorship on the ones who survive.

They had no right to secede form the union, just like they have no right today. This is going to piss you off, but the Supreme Court has already decided this. You're stuck and we're probably all worse off for it.

 

[HappyJoy]

Civilization is a socialist concept. Working together to build homes, farm, heal(hospitals with doctors), educating our youth.Dumb ass, probably should be whining about how we need to give up on civilization.

What you really mean is that the state (government) is a form of parasitism in which the predators settle in amongst their prey. "working together" constitutes socialism only when one party is holding a gun or a sword against the head or neck of the people doing the actual work. The theory that would we couldn't have homes, schools, hospitals and farms without some slave master compelling us to build them is pure idiocy.

No, our democracy is not a simple case of scabies. You have elections, you have the right to free speech to convince others to your point of view. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[bripat9643]

You're an idiot. Pinochet was not a fascist. He was the head of a legal military junta and a hero. I'm a capitalist, not some corporatist piece of shit like Hillary and the Democrats.

Augusto Pinochet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pinochet assumed power in Chile following a United States-backed coup d'état on 11 September 1973 that overthrew the elected socialist Unidad Popular government of PresidentSalvador Allende and ended civilian rule. Several academics have stated that the support of the United States was crucial to the coup and the consolidation of power afterward.[6][7][8]Pinochet had been promoted to Commander-in-Chief of the Army by Allende on 23 August 1973, having been its General Chief of Staff since early 1972.[9] In December 1974, the rulingmilitary junta appointed Pinochet President of Chile by joint decree, although without the support of one of the coup's instigators, Air Force General Gustavo Leigh.[10]

From the start of the new military government harsh measures were implemented.[11] During the period of Pinochet's rule, various investigations have identified the murder of 1,200 to 3,200 people with up to 80,000 people forcibly interned and as many as 30,000 tortured.[12][13][14] As of 2011, the official number of deaths and forced disappearances stands at 3,065.[15]
<more>

By "harsh measures" you mean fighting a civil war against communist insurgents, many of whom were sent from Cuba.

^Likes fascism, voting for Trump

ROFL! The fascists are all voting for Hillary.

Let me know when the last fascist regime had the support of almost every minority group. Actually, that's the one thing that is special about the United States is that through our own path forward, as the world's melting pot we have built up a natural wall against fascism because we have large minority populations and we all know, minorities usually aren't too crazy about fascists.

So the U.S. isn't fascist because some minorities are the favored groups receiving all the booty? Is that your premise? The fundamental truth about fascism is that there is always some group that benefits at the expense of the rest of society. You just admitted that the minorities are the criminal class in this society.

We haven't built up any "wall" against fascism. We have embraces it like our mother's breast. And now we give it wholesome sounding names like "diversity" and "inclusion." However, we saw the true meaning of these terms when Trump supporters tried to attend a peaceful rally in San Jose. That's the true meaning of diversity: naked aggression.

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, that's 100% accurate. Are you trying to claim that Lincoln didn't wipe his ass on the Constitution and slaughter 850,000 Americans? When it comes to killing your own citizens, Lincoln makes Pinochet look like a school boy.

^Thinks the confederates were just minding their own business, still unable to raise a single dime to vote out a singe Minnesota politician.

Weren't they minding their own business before Lincoln sent an army of 18,000 men to invade them?

They seceded from the Union on the idea that they had the right to hold fellow humans in bondage. You guys lost the PR war before the last century even began.

It doesn't matter what the reason was, they had every right to secede from the union. Lincoln had no authority to invade them. That much is certain.

You tend to lose PR wars when a foreign government invades your territory, slaughters your people and imposes a dictatorship on the ones who survive.

They had no right to secede form the union, just like they have no right today. This is going to piss you off, but the Supreme Court has already decided this. You're stuck and we're probably all worse off for it.

Really? Where does the Constitution say a state can't secede? Morons like you keep saying states can't secede, but none of you have ever provided a shred of credible evidence to that effect.

As for the Supreme Court decision, a bunch of Lincoln appointed cronies made a laughable decision after the war that proved they didn't give a damn what the Constitution actually says. The didn't even give a damn about basic facts and logic.

You suffer from the delusions that the SC Decides what the truth is. The reality is that it only determine what the government wants it to determine.

 

[bripat9643]

Civilization is a socialist concept. Working together to build homes, farm, heal(hospitals with doctors), educating our youth.Dumb ass, probably should be whining about how we need to give up on civilization.

What you really mean is that the state (government) is a form of parasitism in which the predators settle in amongst their prey. "working together" constitutes socialism only when one party is holding a gun or a sword against the head or neck of the people doing the actual work. The theory that would we couldn't have homes, schools, hospitals and farms without some slave master compelling us to build them is pure idiocy.

No, our democracy is not a simple case of scabies. You have elections, you have the right to free speech to convince others to your point of view. Nothing more, nothing less.

How does that make it moral and ethical to loot people through a majority vote?

 

[HappyJoy]

Augusto Pinochet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pinochet assumed power in Chile following a United States-backed coup d'état on 11 September 1973 that overthrew the elected socialist Unidad Popular government of PresidentSalvador Allende and ended civilian rule. Several academics have stated that the support of the United States was crucial to the coup and the consolidation of power afterward.[6][7][8]Pinochet had been promoted to Commander-in-Chief of the Army by Allende on 23 August 1973, having been its General Chief of Staff since early 1972.[9] In December 1974, the rulingmilitary junta appointed Pinochet President of Chile by joint decree, although without the support of one of the coup's instigators, Air Force General Gustavo Leigh.[10]

From the start of the new military government harsh measures were implemented.[11] During the period of Pinochet's rule, various investigations have identified the murder of 1,200 to 3,200 people with up to 80,000 people forcibly interned and as many as 30,000 tortured.[12][13][14] As of 2011, the official number of deaths and forced disappearances stands at 3,065.[15]
<more>

By "harsh measures" you mean fighting a civil war against communist insurgents, many of whom were sent from Cuba.

^Likes fascism, voting for Trump

ROFL! The fascists are all voting for Hillary.

Let me know when the last fascist regime had the support of almost every minority group. Actually, that's the one thing that is special about the United States is that through our own path forward, as the world's melting pot we have built up a natural wall against fascism because we have large minority populations and we all know, minorities usually aren't too crazy about fascists.

So the U.S. isn't fascist because some minorities are the favored groups receiving all the booty? Is that your premise? The fundamental truth about fascism is that there is always some group that benefits at the expense of the rest of society. You just admitted that the minorities are the criminal class in this society.

No, fascism is unpopular with minorities because usually they tend to be scapegoated by nationalistic assholes who couldn't do better in life. We are a Representative Democracy and in order for fascism to get by you have to overcome a large minority population. Something the UK does not have by comparison. It's one thing that makes us special.

We haven't built up any "wall" against fascism. We have embraces it like our mother's breast. And now we give it wholesome sounding names like "diversity" and "inclusion." However, we saw the true meaning of these terms when Trump supporters tried to attend a peaceful rally in San Jose. That's the true meaning of diversity: naked aggression.

Your definition of fascism appears to be things that do not resemble you when you look in the mirror.

 

[HappyJoy]

^Thinks the confederates were just minding their own business, still unable to raise a single dime to vote out a singe Minnesota politician.

Weren't they minding their own business before Lincoln sent an army of 18,000 men to invade them?

They seceded from the Union on the idea that they had the right to hold fellow humans in bondage. You guys lost the PR war before the last century even began.

It doesn't matter what the reason was, they had every right to secede from the union. Lincoln had no authority to invade them. That much is certain.

You tend to lose PR wars when a foreign government invades your territory, slaughters your people and imposes a dictatorship on the ones who survive.

They had no right to secede form the union, just like they have no right today. This is going to piss you off, but the Supreme Court has already decided this. You're stuck and we're probably all worse off for it.

Really? Where does the Constitution say a state can't secede? Morons like you keep saying states can't secede but none of you have ever provided a shred of credible evidence to that effect.

When it granted the Judicial branch the authority to decide what is constitutional and what is not.

As for the Supreme Court decision, a bunch of Lincoln appointed cronies made a laughable decision after the war that proved they didn't give a damn what the Constitution actually says. The didn't even give a damn about basic facts and logic.

The Supreme Court gets it right and wrong, they are still the arbiters of what is deemed Constitutional and what isn't. What do you propose instead? Mobs?

You suffer from the delusions that the SC Decides what the truth is. The reality is that it only determine what the government wants it to determine.

No, I said the Supreme Court decides what is Constitutional and what isn't when something is brought before it.

 

[bripat9643]

By "harsh measures" you mean fighting a civil war against communist insurgents, many of whom were sent from Cuba.

^Likes fascism, voting for Trump

ROFL! The fascists are all voting for Hillary.

Let me know when the last fascist regime had the support of almost every minority group. Actually, that's the one thing that is special about the United States is that through our own path forward, as the world's melting pot we have built up a natural wall against fascism because we have large minority populations and we all know, minorities usually aren't too crazy about fascists.

So the U.S. isn't fascist because some minorities are the favored groups receiving all the booty? Is that your premise? The fundamental truth about fascism is that there is always some group that benefits at the expense of the rest of society. You just admitted that the minorities are the criminal class in this society.

No, fascism is unpopular with minorities because usually they tend to be scapegoated by nationalistic assholes who couldn't do better in life. We are a Representative Democracy and in order for fascism to get by you have to overcome a large minority population. Something the UK does not have by comparison. It's one thing that makes us special.

You obviously don't have a clue what fascism is. It doesn't really require the persecution of a minority, but in this country it's quite clear that the government is persecuting white Christian males. They are blamed for everything. They are last on the list to receive government benefits. Other minorities get all the government jobs, and the law requires private employers and the government to discriminate against white males when handing out jobs and places in the university.

We haven't built up any "wall" against fascism. We have embraced it like our mother's breast. And now we give it wholesome sounding names like "diversity" and "inclusion." However, we saw the true meaning of these terms when Trump supporters tried to attend a peaceful rally in San Jose. That's the true meaning of diversity: naked aggression.

Your definition of fascism appears to be things that do not resemble you when you look in the mirror.

When you look at the programs and policies of the Third Reich, the modern Democrat party fits them to a 'T.' Only the color of the oppressors has changed.

 

[HappyJoy]

Civilization is a socialist concept. Working together to build homes, farm, heal(hospitals with doctors), educating our youth.Dumb ass, probably should be whining about how we need to give up on civilization.

What you really mean is that the state (government) is a form of parasitism in which the predators settle in amongst their prey. "working together" constitutes socialism only when one party is holding a gun or a sword against the head or neck of the people doing the actual work. The theory that would we couldn't have homes, schools, hospitals and farms without some slave master compelling us to build them is pure idiocy.

No, our democracy is not a simple case of scabies. You have elections, you have the right to free speech to convince others to your point of view. Nothing more, nothing less.

How does that make it moral and ethical to loot people through a majority vote?

Who is being looted? Whitey? Bitch, please.

 

[bripat9643]

Weren't they minding their own business before Lincoln sent an army of 18,000 men to invade them?

They seceded from the Union on the idea that they had the right to hold fellow humans in bondage. You guys lost the PR war before the last century even began.

It doesn't matter what the reason was, they had every right to secede from the union. Lincoln had no authority to invade them. That much is certain.

You tend to lose PR wars when a foreign government invades your territory, slaughters your people and imposes a dictatorship on the ones who survive.

They had no right to secede form the union, just like they have no right today. This is going to piss you off, but the Supreme Court has already decided this. You're stuck and we're probably all worse off for it.

Really? Where does the Constitution say a state can't secede? Morons like you keep saying states can't secede but none of you have ever provided a shred of credible evidence to that effect.

When it granted the Judicial branch the authority to decide what is constitutional and what is not.

I asked you where does the Constitution grant this power. I didn't mention the Supreme Court. The later invented it out of thin air after the war.

As for the Supreme Court decision, a bunch of Lincoln appointed cronies made a laughable decision after the war that proved they didn't give a damn what the Constitution actually says. The didn't even give a damn about basic facts and logic.

The Supreme Court gets it right and wrong, they are still the arbiters of what is deemed Constitutional and what isn't. What do you propose instead? Mobs?

Since you admit the Court can be wrong, prove that it's right about secession. Otherwise admit Lincoln violated the law when he invaded Virginia and attempted to occupy a Fort in South Carolina.

You suffer from the delusions that the SC Decides what the truth is. The reality is that it only determine what the government wants it to determine.

No, I said the Supreme Court decides what is Constitutional and what isn't when something is brought before it.

Again, you're attempting to claim Supreme Court decisions are absolute truth regarding the Constitution. The reality is that they are only official government policy. The vast majority of these decisions simply ignore the actual words of the document.

Whenever you totalitarian douche bags get into trouble defending Lincoln's decision to wage war against states of the union, you always retreat to saying - the court ruled secession to be unconstitutional.

That isn't the issue being discussed.