Troop withdrawal from Iraq

[bigrebnc1775]

Sorry but with all due respect to del and his opinion, we've basically said the same exact thing except I haven't called anyone a fool over their perception of the very same facts. And BTW Lol at using del's opinion as your supporting argument. As I said, it's just a drawn out process where they officially change the terminology as they go along, that's how these things go, so you should back off calling the president a liar over it.

No it's not a drawn out process. obama said that all combat troops were offically out of Iraq on Aug 31 2010 has that happened?

Combat brigades in Iraq under different name - Army News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Army Times

See, YOU are the one who wants to play politics with these soldiers' lives.


I've already posted what happened...Try getting your anti-Obama fervor out of the way, and reading for comprehension. No one is denying there are troops still there, it's a matter of officially changing military modes in the ongoing troop draw-down process.


You're trying to play political "gotcha" with the time-line..Knock yourself out, FOOL.




The last American combat brigade was leaving Iraq ... and Scatterings of combat troops still await departure, and some 50,000 will stay another year in what is designated as a noncombat role. They will carry weapons to defend themselves and accompany Iraqi troops on missions. Special forces will continue to help Iraqis hunt for terrorists.

You posted obama propaganda, you did not post the truth. Did oibama say all combat troops would be out of Iraq by Aug 31 2010? Yes or no?

OH I am playing politics? I am not the one who is looking for political points obama is.

A simple yes or no will do are all of the combat troops out of Iraq?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Providing the opposition with targets allows for the reintroduction of troops at a later date. It also allows for Krauthammer and Kristol to get their "I told you so" columns published.

The blood of 50,000 servicemen ad women will be on the hands of obama whilke he's seeking more political points.

Whatever his failings, and they are legion, he is hardly alone or unique in using the blood of US citizens or troops for political points. Several thousand troops have died, many, many more have been forever maimed and the only practical result is that the one nation that stood in Iran's way in the ME is now neutralized.

True but right now he's the president he's the buck stops here guy. It's all his and nobody elses

 

[konradv]

What buck are you talking about? You're just playing with words. All the facts were laid out. We all know those left need to be able to protect themselves. This is nothing more than "hater" ranting, IMHO.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What buck are you talking about? You're just playing with words. All the facts were laid out. We all know those left need to be able to protect themselves. This is nothing more than "hater" ranting, IMHO.

What buck are you talking about? You're just playing with words.

Who's playing with words?

Gates has hinted that the withdrawal of combat brigades will be accomplished through an administrative sleight of hand rather than by actually withdrawing all the combat brigade teams. Appearing on Meet the Press Mar. 1, Gates said the "transition force" would have "a very different kind of mission", and that the units remaining in Iraq "will be characterised differently".

We all know those left need to be able to protect themselves.

A policeman is equip to protect himself but he does not carry combat gear. Do those units there still have the combat gear and equipment?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

bump

 

[Charles_Main]

I voted yes, but the truth is more in the middle. The regular Combat troops have left, However a large chunk of who is left are special forces that will still be engaging in combat.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I voted yes, but the truth is more in the middle. The regular Combat troops have left, However a large chunk of who is left are special forces that will still be engaging in combat.

Charles there are only 4500 special forces troops in Iraq out oif the 50,000. The rest are the ones who were the original combat troops before the withdrawal.

Thanks for your imput and honesty.

 

[Charles_Main]

I voted yes, but the truth is more in the middle. The regular Combat troops have left, However a large chunk of who is left are special forces that will still be engaging in combat.

Charles there are only 4500 special forces troops in Iraq out oif the 50,000. The rest are the ones who were the original combat troops before the withdrawal.

so almost 10% that is a pretty large chunk if you ask me. If you know anything about the Military you know that when ever you have 4500 Special forces in one place. That is a large amount. They are called special for a reason you know.

The point is there are still troops who will engage in combat in Iraq.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I voted yes, but the truth is more in the middle. The regular Combat troops have left, However a large chunk of who is left are special forces that will still be engaging in combat.

Charles there are only 4500 special forces troops in Iraq out oif the 50,000. The rest are the ones who were the original combat troops before the withdrawal.

so almost 10% that is a pretty large chunk if you ask me. If you know anything about the Military you know that when ever you have 4500 Special forces in one place. That is a large amount. They are called special for a reason you know.

The point is there are still troops who will engage in combat in Iraq.

Yell 49998 of them news is we lost two today.

 

[Valerie]

What buck are you talking about? You're just playing with words. All the facts were laid out. We all know those left need to be able to protect themselves. This is nothing more than "hater" ranting, IMHO.

What buck are you talking about? You're just playing with words.

Who's playing with words?

Gates has hinted that the withdrawal of combat brigades will be accomplished through an administrative sleight of hand rather than by actually withdrawing all the combat brigade teams. Appearing on Meet the Press Mar. 1, Gates said the "transition force" would have "a very different kind of mission", and that the units remaining in Iraq "will be characterised differently".

We all know those left need to be able to protect themselves.

A policeman is equip to protect himself but he does not carry combat gear. Do those units there still have the combat gear and equipment?

Well, gee...You'd prefer we give all the details away to the enemy beforehand???


The troops are combat ready but not currently in combat mode.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What buck are you talking about? You're just playing with words. All the facts were laid out. We all know those left need to be able to protect themselves. This is nothing more than "hater" ranting, IMHO.

Who's playing with words?

Gates has hinted that the withdrawal of combat brigades will be accomplished through an administrative sleight of hand rather than by actually withdrawing all the combat brigade teams. Appearing on Meet the Press Mar. 1, Gates said the "transition force" would have "a very different kind of mission", and that the units remaining in Iraq "will be characterised differently".

We all know those left need to be able to protect themselves.

A policeman is equip to protect himself but he does not carry combat gear. Do those units there still have the combat gear and equipment?

Well, gee...You'd prefer we give all the details away to the enemy beforehand???


The troops are combat ready but not currently in combat mode.

So then there are American combat troops in Iraq that have been redesignasted to something else. which means obama lied.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It's a long process but they have officially removed the last combat brigade from Iraq.

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(AP) As their convoy reached the barbed wire at the border crossing out of Iraq on Wednesday, the soldiers whooped and cheered. Then they scrambled out of their stifling hot armored vehicles, unfurled an American flag and posed for group photos.

For these troops of the 4th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, it was a moment of relief fraught with symbolism. Seven years and five months after the U.S.-led invasion, the last American combat brigade was leaving Iraq, well ahead of President Barack Obama’s Aug. 31 deadline for ending U.S. combat operations there.

That presence is far from over. Scatterings of combat troops still await departure, and some 50,000 will stay another year in what is designated as a noncombat role. They will carry weapons to defend themselves and accompany Iraqi troops on missions. Special forces will continue to help Iraqis hunt for terrorists.

no, they haven't. they've redesignated combat brigades as advisory brigades and *declared* that the last *designated* combat brigade has left.

Combat brigades in Iraq under different name - Army News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Army Times

they can designate it what they want, but only a complete fool would believe them, imo.

Thanks Del

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why do you need a poll to confirm this? We did see most leave, didn't we, or are you saying they snuck back in?!?! What's the mystery? There's been no hiding of the fact that the brigades remaining do have offensive potential, if need be. Pretty silly way to start an "Obama lied" thread. You should at least choose a topic that isn't so easily debunked.

Reading your reply tells me you fell for the lie. obama said all combat troops were taken out of Iraq. Did they some how send in non combat troops while they were taking out the a fore mentioned combat troops?

Or did they pencil whip the non combat troops into Iraq?

All that was made clear when the withdrawal was made. You and those that are pushing this piece of sh*t are the liars in my book. There was no lie. I and anyone that was paying attention knew that those remaining would have combat capability, if need be. Why don't you?!?!

I hate when people make a reply then runaway

 

[Valerie]

Who's playing with words?

Gates has hinted that the withdrawal of combat brigades will be accomplished through an administrative sleight of hand rather than by actually withdrawing all the combat brigade teams. Appearing on Meet the Press Mar. 1, Gates said the "transition force" would have "a very different kind of mission", and that the units remaining in Iraq "will be characterised differently".


A policeman is equip to protect himself but he does not carry combat gear. Do those units there still have the combat gear and equipment?

Well, gee...You'd prefer we give all the details away to the enemy beforehand???


The troops are combat ready but not currently in combat mode.

So then there are American combat troops in Iraq that have been redesignasted to something else. which means obama lied.

No, that's not what it means...



You'd prefer the remaining troops be sitting ducks throughout the remaining withdrawal process???

 

[Valerie]

Reading your reply tells me you fell for the lie. obama said all combat troops were taken out of Iraq. Did they some how send in non combat troops while they were taking out the a fore mentioned combat troops?

Or did they pencil whip the non combat troops into Iraq?

All that was made clear when the withdrawal was made. You and those that are pushing this piece of sh*t are the liars in my book. There was no lie. I and anyone that was paying attention knew that those remaining would have combat capability, if need be. Why don't you?!?!

I hate when people make a reply then runaway

Dude, you're not saying anything except the president lied, the president lied, the president lied..........






This is an official policy shift:



This completes a transition to Iraqi responsibility for their own security. U.S. troops pulled out of Iraq’s cities last summer, and Iraqi forces have moved into the lead with considerable skill and commitment to their fellow citizens. Even as Iraq continues to suffer terrorist attacks, security incidents have been near the lowest on record since the war began. And Iraqi forces have taken the fight to al Qaeda, removing much of its leadership in Iraqi-led operations.

This year also saw Iraq hold credible elections that drew a strong turnout. A caretaker administration is in place as Iraqis form a government based on the results of that election. Tonight, I encourage Iraq’s leaders to move forward with a sense of urgency to form an inclusive government that is just, representative, and accountable to the Iraqi people. And when that government is in place, there should be no doubt: The Iraqi people will have a strong partner in the United States. Our combat mission is ending, but our commitment to Iraq’s future is not.

Going forward, a transitional force of U.S. troops will remain in Iraq with a different mission: advising and assisting Iraq’s Security Forces, supporting Iraqi troops in targeted counterterrorism missions, and protecting our civilians. Consistent with our agreement with the Iraqi government, all U.S. troops will leave by the end of next year. As our military draws down, our dedicated civilians -- diplomats, aid workers, and advisors -- are moving into the lead to support Iraq as it strengthens its government, resolves political disputes, resettles those displaced by war, and builds ties with the region and the world. That’s a message that Vice President Biden is delivering to the Iraqi people through his visit there today.

This new approach reflects our long-term partnership with Iraq -- one based upon mutual interest and mutual respect. Of course, violence will not end with our combat mission. Extremists will continue to set off bombs, attack Iraqi civilians and try to spark sectarian strife. But ultimately, these terrorists will fail to achieve their goals. Iraqis are a proud people. They have rejected sectarian war, and they have no interest in endless destruction. They understand that, in the end, only Iraqis can resolve their differences and police their streets. Only Iraqis can build a democracy within their borders. What America can do, and will do, is provide support for the Iraqi people as both a friend and a partner.

Ending this war is not only in Iraq’s interest -- it’s in our own. The United States has paid a huge price to put the future of Iraq in the hands of its people. We have sent our young men and women to make enormous sacrifices in Iraq, and spent vast resources abroad at a time of tight budgets at home. We’ve persevered because of a belief we share with the Iraqi people -- a belief that out of the ashes of war, a new beginning could be born in this cradle of civilization. Through this remarkable chapter in the history of the United States and Iraq, we have met our responsibility. Now, it’s time to turn the page.


Remarks by the President in Address to the Nation on the End of Combat Operations in Iraq | The White House[/QUOTE]

 

[Charles_Main]

Frankly I could care less if he lied or not in this case. We have ample other times where he as out right lied to us on record.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Well, gee...You'd prefer we give all the details away to the enemy beforehand???


The troops are combat ready but not currently in combat mode.

So then there are American combat troops in Iraq that have been redesignasted to something else. which means obama lied.

No, that's not what it means...



You'd prefer the remaining troops be sitting ducks throughout the remaining withdrawal process???

Gates has even said that there are still combat troops in Iraq they have been redesignated to advisers. That still does not negate that they are combat troops. They still have the same gear they had carried on Aug 31, they still have two combat avation brigades, They still have the tanks. They just don't have a combat mission. So obama lied for political points. The blood of 49,998 troops will be on the hands of obama That is unless they replace the two that was killed yesterday then we qill be back up to 50,000.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Frankly I could care less if he lied or not in this case. We have ample other times where he as out right lied to us on record.

Charles it matters too me and should to most. So when will you have enough of the lies?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I'll bump poll up one more time

 

[DiveCon]

Well, gee...You'd prefer we give all the details away to the enemy beforehand???


The troops are combat ready but not currently in combat mode.

So then there are American combat troops in Iraq that have been redesignasted to something else. which means obama lied.

No, that's not what it means...



You'd prefer the remaining troops be sitting ducks throughout the remaining withdrawal process???

YES that is exactly what it means

and you seem to not care that the claim that all combat troops were coming home was said when they didnt bring them HOME they just changed the mission on paper