True history of the birther movement: Telegraph UK 2011

[Skylar]

You agreed with my claim,t

No- why would I agree with your lie? You claim Barack Obama said he was born in Kenya- there is no evidence that he ever said any such thing.

What evidence we do have says he did not.

This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii.

It doesn't get much more specific than that. You can dodge and dance around all you want, but Goderich clearly stated:
a) that it was her mistake and
b) that Obama never told her he was born in Kenya

You said you wanted to know they went in your case to Yale before you followed up

Feel free to quote me- rather than use your garbled Birther English.

You don't remember saying you'd want to know he went to Yale? What if I find that quote, are you going to admit you are a stupid bitch and wow, what a moron you don't remember saying that? What are you going to do? I want the commitment upfront rather than I show you and you ignore it.

How stupid will you admit you are for saying it and then denying it then making me go find what you said to show what you said to you?

Go for it- I already posted my quotes- and I explained in detail how I would obtain the information I needed

I'm still stunned Kaz is arguing that the Literary Agency wouldn't know anything about Obama, wouldn't have done any research, wouldn't have read or even been aware of the numerous newspaper and magazine articles about Obama......

.....before agreeing to represent him.

Its the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

"This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Yea she remembered those White House talking points issued to her real quick by them hours after Beitbart released the pamphlet and was then posted on Drudge.

Says you, citing your imagination.

Why would I ignore Miriam Goderich, the woman who assembled the pamphlet in question.....and instead believe you, my litle David Duke supporter?

Explain it to us. With evidence.

Because your posting history proves you're an Obama Toadie.

I'm informed

No you're not!

 

[Skylar]

"This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Yea she remembered those White House talking points issued to her real quick by them hours after Beitbart released the pamphlet and was then posted on Drudge.

Says you, citing your imagination.

Why would I ignore Miriam Goderich, the woman who assembled the pamphlet in question.....and instead believe you, my litle David Duke supporter?

Explain it to us. With evidence.

Because your posting history proves you're an Obama Toadie.

I'm informed

No you're not!

Of course I am. Shall we discuss Vattel's Law of Nations again?

And it looks like you're ashamed of former KKK grand wizard David Duke and his positions. Despite formerly endorsing him for President. Hell, if even you try to distance yourself from Duke, surely you can understand why we don't take him seriously.

 

[kaz]

she didn't say he didn't tell anyone at the firm, just that he didn't tell her

This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii.

Even after given the truth, the Right just continue to insult everyone's intelligence by lying, as if everyone else is too stupid to see their obvious lies!

Who else did she not tell? That's the point, dumb ass. The only one we know was part of "us" was "her" because she didn't say. She didn't say no one told anyone that, just some collection of unspecified people.

You prove my point, the Right will even lie about "us" being singular so they can keep on lying.
Thank you.

That isn't what I said. And ouch, I'm "Right," how will I ever get over the sting of that one ...

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Yea she remembered those White House talking points issued to her real quick by them hours after Beitbart released the pamphlet and was then posted on Drudge.

Says you, citing your imagination.

Why would I ignore Miriam Goderich, the woman who assembled the pamphlet in question.....and instead believe you, my litle David Duke supporter?

Explain it to us. With evidence.

Because your posting history proves you're an Obama Toadie.

I'm informed

No you're not!

Of course I am. Shall we discuss Vattel's Law of Nations again?

And it looks like you're ashamed of former KKK grand wizard David Duke and his positions. Despite formerly endorsing him for President. Hell, if even you try to distance yourself from Duke, surely you can understand why we don't take him seriously.

Here's all you need to know about Vattel and Duke has nothing to do with this.



Must Read: Incontrovertible Proof Vattel Is Law; Natural Born Citizen Is Born On Soil To Citizen Parents - Birther Report

 

[Skylar]

Says you, citing your imagination.

Why would I ignore Miriam Goderich, the woman who assembled the pamphlet in question.....and instead believe you, my litle David Duke supporter?

Explain it to us. With evidence.

Because your posting history proves you're an Obama Toadie.

I'm informed

No you're not!

Of course I am. Shall we discuss Vattel's Law of Nations again?

And it looks like you're ashamed of former KKK grand wizard David Duke and his positions. Despite formerly endorsing him for President. Hell, if even you try to distance yourself from Duke, surely you can understand why we don't take him seriously.

Here's all you need to know about Vattel and Duke has nothing to do with this.



Must Read: Incontrovertible Proof Vattel Is Law; Natural Born Citizen Is Born On Soil To Citizen Parents - Birther Report

Nope. Vattel's Law of Nations didn't include any mention of 'natural born' until AFTER the constitution was written and ratified. Making it a physical impossibility that the Law of Nations was the source of the founder's understanding of the term.

And even you've abandoned David Duke. As a former KKK grand wizard, no wonder you've backpedalled as hard as you have away from him. I mean, what a piece of shit.

 

[Syriusly]

I've got her eye witness testimony on a document she assembled.

No you don't.

Yeah, he does. The document clears Obama.

There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii

No, because it doesn't say where the information did come from. So, who wrote on a blank piece of paper that Obama was born in Kenya and why? Obama's a moron. I mean really, who gets their own birth country wrong?

Lets review again:

No one has said that Barack Obama told anyone he was born in Kenya
Editor says specifically that he didn't tell her that he was born in Kenya

So therefore you lie and say Barack Obama claimed he was born in Kenya.
No you lie and claim he is a moron for claiming something he never said.

Completely illogical and doesn't contradict anything i ever said. It's just a contrived question

Completely logical and not a question at all- it is an observation

Lets review again:

No one has said that Barack Obama told anyone he was born in Kenya
The Editor says specifically that he didn't tell her that he was born in Kenya

So therefore you lie and say Barack Obama claimed he was born in Kenya.
Now you lie and claim he is a moron for claiming something he never said

 

[JakeStarkey]

Steve_McGarrett may be the most uninformed poster on the Board.

Obama has never said anything differently than he was born in Hawaii.

Law of Nations did not influence the Constitution.

 

[Syriusly]

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The problem is she didn't "fact check" it. Why didn't she fact check it? That was her job and it was a blurb. Was she PMSing and forgot to do her job that day?

In Kaz's world no one ever makes a mistake.

And if a woman says she made a mistake- he asks whether it was because of her menstrual cycle.

 

[Syriusly]

I've got her eye witness testimony on a document she assembled.

No you don't.

Yeah, he does. The document clears Obama.

There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii

No, because it doesn't say where the information did come from. So, who wrote on a blank piece of paper that Obama was born in Kenya and why? Obama's a moron. I mean really, who gets their own birth country wrong?

She indicates that it was a mistake. And that Obama never told her he was born in Kenya.

So much for your imaginary nonsense that Obama told her he was born in Kenya.

And as an aside.....why? Your entire conspiracy is rock stupid. You can't back any of it up. And you *always* lose whenever you try to polish this little turd. Even the premise of your reasoning is a steaming pile of horseshit. As why would the Literary Agency taken Obama on as a client without knowing anything about him?

Of course they did research about Obama before they agreed to represent him. Of course they read everything they could about him. And of course they read the NY Times, LA Times, Boston Globe and other articles about him from when he had become the Harvard Reviews first black editor. Of course they were aware of his national media profile.

His national media profile is almost certainly how they learned about him in the first place.

So why in the fuck are you pretending that its 'absurd' that they would have read these articles? Its just....pure stupidity. Like watching a dog returning to its own vomit. Why do you keep doing it?

You're obsessed with that the girl who didn't do her job made a mistake in fact checking it, you still can't say how the words appeared on a piece of blank paper that he was born in Kenya. Who wrote the lie? And why would be believe an incompetent who admits she didn't do her job and fact check a blurb?

What lie?

So far the only lie we have clearly identified is your lie that Barack Obama said he was born in Kenya.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The only lie here is McGarrett's.

Kaz does not believe that institutional error exists?

Really???

 

[Syriusly]

she didn't say he didn't tell anyone at the firm, just that he didn't tell her

This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii.

Even after given the truth, the Right just continue to insult everyone's intelligence by lying, as if everyone else is too stupid to see their obvious lies!

Who else did she not tell? That's the point, dumb ass. The only one we know was part of "us" was "her" because she didn't say. She didn't say no one told anyone that, just some collection of unspecified people.

You prove my point, the Right will even lie about "us" being singular so they can keep on lying.
Thank you.

This has got to be the stupidest fucking conspiracy theory I've ever heard. And Kaz can't back any of it. Yet like a dog returning to its own vomit.....Kaz just can't keep himself from lapping at his steaming pile of conspiracy batshit.

Not only is his narrative factually void....it doesn't make the slightest sense. As why would the Literary Agency agree to represent Obama if they didn't know anything about him? How would they have even heard of him?

As per Kaz's just bone stupid narrative, the Literary Agency had no knowledge of Obama's national media profile. Had never read nor even heard of the numerous articles written about Obama by the likes of the New York Times, Vanity Fair, the Chicago Herald, the LA Times and the Boston Globe. Per Kaz's batshit fantasy, the Literary Agency would have done no research, fact checked nothing, and apparently pcked Obama at random to represent.

And yet when pressed to explain why the literary agency would have done *any* of the stupid shit his theory requires.....Kaz has nothing.

Sigh.....you can't fix stupid.

You left out the rest of how stupidly fucked up Kaz's theory is.

In 1990 Barack Obama came onto the national scene as the first African American editor of the Harvard Law Review- articles were written in the publications with the largest circulation in America. A great number of them specifically noted that he was born in Hawaii.

Kaz's whole fantasy revolves around the idea that Barack Obama ignored that millions of people in the United States knew that he was born in Hawaii- and he believes that Obama was attempting to deceive....someone....by telling his new publishers that he was born in Kenya......and that Obama would assume that no one at the publisher would have read any of the articles about him in the New York Times, or the Washington Post or the Chicago Tribune.

Kaz also assumes that Obama would believe that none of the publishers that he lied to would notice when his book was finally published- he said he was born in Hawaii.

Kaz's fantasy makes no sense at all

And there is absolutely no fact that supports it.

So of course, Kaz will continue to lie and claim President Obama was the first Birther.

Because that is what Kaz does.

 

[Syriusly]

"This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii."

Yea she remembered those White House talking points issued to her real quick by them hours after Beitbart released the pamphlet and was then posted on Drudge.

Stevie the racist showing that Birthers like to create anti-Obama fantasies just like Kaz does.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Kaz often makes no sense.

 

[Skylar]

The only lie here is McGarrett's.

Kaz does not believe that institutional error exists?

Really???

Apparently the idea of a simple mistake in an 90 word bio blurb is absolutely inconceivable for poor Kaz.

But then, this is the same guy whose argument relies on the Literary Agency in question knowing nothing about Obama before choosing to represent him. Fact checking nothing, reading nothing, being utterly unaware of his national media profile. And apparently picking Obama at random.

So consider the source.

 

[washamericom]

i wonder if the blank paper said he was born in hawaii, if she would have changed it to kenya, how many years later ? when they read the constitution after obama's keynote speech ?
this isn't (by far) the only thing that's been patched up or scrubbed or fixed. we don't know the half of it. i don't think there ever was a birth certificate, long short or in any other form.

think the democrats wouldn't love right now to hit Trump with Hey Trump where's my fifty million, that would hurt his campaign.

 

[Skylar]

i wonder if the blank paper said he was born in hawaii, if she would have changed it to kenya, how many years later ? when they read the constitution after obama's keynote speech ?

I wonder why you ignore an actual birth certificate in favor of whatever baseless speculation you can imagine.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Speculation is all the birfers have.

 

[kaz]

No you don't.

Yeah, he does. The document clears Obama.

There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii

No, because it doesn't say where the information did come from. So, who wrote on a blank piece of paper that Obama was born in Kenya and why? Obama's a moron. I mean really, who gets their own birth country wrong?

She indicates that it was a mistake. And that Obama never told her he was born in Kenya.

So much for your imaginary nonsense that Obama told her he was born in Kenya.

And as an aside.....why? Your entire conspiracy is rock stupid. You can't back any of it up. And you *always* lose whenever you try to polish this little turd. Even the premise of your reasoning is a steaming pile of horseshit. As why would the Literary Agency taken Obama on as a client without knowing anything about him?

Of course they did research about Obama before they agreed to represent him. Of course they read everything they could about him. And of course they read the NY Times, LA Times, Boston Globe and other articles about him from when he had become the Harvard Reviews first black editor. Of course they were aware of his national media profile.

His national media profile is almost certainly how they learned about him in the first place.

So why in the fuck are you pretending that its 'absurd' that they would have read these articles? Its just....pure stupidity. Like watching a dog returning to its own vomit. Why do you keep doing it?

You're obsessed with that the girl who didn't do her job made a mistake in fact checking it, you still can't say how the words appeared on a piece of blank paper that he was born in Kenya. Who wrote the lie?

What 'lie'? She made a simple mistake in a 90 word bio blurb in some obscure pamphlet. Apparently getting Barack Hussein Obama confused with Barack Hussein Obama. The former being born in Kenya. The latter, Hawaii.

The only one claiming that Obama told her he was born in Kenya.....is you citing your imagination. And you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Even your narrative doesn't make the slightest sense. As why would the Literary Agency agree to represent Obama without knowing anything about him? How did they even know he existed?

Remember.....in your brain dead fantasy, they knew nothing of his national media profile, had never read nor even heard of the articles written about him in the NYT, LA Times, Chicago Herald, Boston Globe or Vanity Fair. In your fantasy, they did no research on the man, they fact checked nothing. They just decided to represent him....apparently at random.

Your narrative is just stupid. Nor can you back *any* of it up. Sigh....as usual.

You've still given zero explanation of how someone in 1991 is going to write a bio about someone without talking to them. Again, I actually did extensive research and it was a bitch. I've had my background investigated even a few years after that when I worked on wall street and they not only had my resume but had to follow up with me on questions.

you obviously have zero academic or business ground that you are willing to swallow the ridiculous lie that they didn't talk to authors when writing their bio. Which they didn't even say, they only said the author didn't write the bio, not that they had nothing to do with it.

I've never met a blue collar wind bag like you that you don't have either business or academic experience. You work in a garage?

 

[kaz]

She did't say she said he was born in Kenya, she just said she didn't verify he was. And she didn't say he didn't tell anyone at the firm, just that he didn't tell her

Let us review- there is absolutely no evidence to support your claim that Barack Obama said he was born in Kenya.

Instead you are left trying to pick apart a very clear message where the editor says this was her mistake and that Obama never told her he was born Kenya

This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii.

It doesn't get much more specific than that. You can dodge and dance around all you want, but Goderich clearly stated:
a) that it was her mistake and
b) that Obama never told her he was born in Kenya

Based upon the information we actually have- your continual claim that Barack Obama said he was born in Kenya is just a malicious lie.

Ouch, It was "malicious." Liberals love to tell people what they think and how they feel, then you whine like bitches if anyone says that to you. LOL

So how is it "malicious?"

Laughjing.....Miriam Goderich specifically and directly annihilates your little fantasy with this:

" This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. "

And you reply with babble about 'liberals' and 'whining'. How delightfully vague and non-specific.

Yes, the problem isn't that someone sat down in front of a blank piece of paper and wrote that he was born in Kenya

And made a simple mistake in a 90 word bio blurb.

And?

Fair enough, I always make the mistake of making up where people were born. I usually say they were born in Australia by mistake. But I could see Africa too. Think they thought he was born in Africa because he's black?