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I see. So you're saying a physical wall is the ONLY solution? It's either a wall or open borders. The GOP was in charge for two years why was there no wall then? I guess that makes the GOP the party of open borders too. Seems to me, the only people who want a wall are Trump and his base, about 40% of the country. I guess that makes us a country of open border supporters or do you think we should be ruled by the minority?So the 'invasion' is illegal and the Dems have done nothing to change those laws? Doesn't sound to me like they want open borders.They don't have to repeal any laws. All they have to do is ignore the illegal invasion at the Southern border. They are doing that very well.
Have they removed any of the existing border controls? Fences, entry points, etc.? No.
Have they offered any additional funding for border security? Yes, billions.
Have they given Trump everything he has asked for? Nope, thankfully.
Well they don't want the wall. The same wall they wanted several years ago.
The wall would keep illegals from getting in. Once built we can boot the 20 million that are here back to Mexico. Save us billions.
Nah The Dems aren't interested in keeping illegals out. They would rather use tax money in the billions to support them.
They give lip service to border security but won't do anything that would really keep them out. The wall would do just that.
Do you really believe illegal voting is a major part of the Dem base or is it you just can't accept that most Americans think your tin hat looks silly?The second reason Democrats will never fund the wall is their voter base – not unions or teachers, but illegal aliens, who broke our laws, crashed our border, and now infringe on American's sacred right to elect their government by illegally casting votes.
Not the only solution. Just the best solution employed by many many nations.I see. So you're saying a physical wall is the ONLY solution? It's either a wall or open borders.
The GOP traditionally has been filled with globalist quislings (McCain and Bush being two notable examples) that would love to flood the country with cheap compliant labor driving down wages and protections for native workers.The GOP was in charge for two years why was there no wall then? I guess that makes the GOP the party of open borders too. Seems to me, the only people who want a wall are Trump and his base, about 40% of the country. I guess that makes us a country of open border supporters or do you think we should be ruled by the minority?
Yeah, Trump is right and everyone else is wrong.Not the only solution. Just the best solution employed by many many nations.I see. So you're saying a physical wall is the ONLY solution? It's either a wall or open borders.
How 65 countries have erected security walls on their borders | Daily Mail Online
But I guess they are all just wrong.
The American left insists otherwise when it comes to walls. Needless to say they have no credibility.
The GOP traditionally has been filled with globalist quislings (McCain and Bush being two notable examples) that would love to flood the country with cheap compliant labor driving down wages and protections for native workers.The GOP was in charge for two years why was there no wall then? I guess that makes the GOP the party of open borders too. Seems to me, the only people who want a wall are Trump and his base, about 40% of the country. I guess that makes us a country of open border supporters or do you think we should be ruled by the minority?
Maybe you know better, maybe you don't but Trump has not only had to take on the socialists on the left but fifth column factions entrenched in the republican party itself. We have a legitimate invasion on the Southern border and pretending we don't and our borders could be secured by other means is ridiculous as many agreements to improve security there have been simply ignored, forgotten or applied halfheartedly to say the least.
A wall cannot be ignored or avoided by illegals moving North or by slimy politicians playing disingenuous games and
it does not depend on the mood of the next administration or other presidents yet to come. Once there it stays put.
That's certainly true when it comes to disingenuous leftists who claim that walls are pointless. Thanks for the admission.Yeah, Trump is right and everyone else is wrong.
It looks like it would be very difficult to scale (sort of the whole idea). What's your point?Did you even look at your own link? Many of the 65 'walls' were no more intimidating than what we currently have. Here's a section of Israel's 'wall':
Please re-read the definition of "Straw Man" or provide some links to back up your accusations. Dems may not want a wall but that is not the same as open borders any more than the GOP wanting to repeal ACA means they don't want Americans to have health care.Straw man:Trump Fires Off Late Night Tweet - Calls Democrats' Open Border Policies "TREASONOUS"
President Trump fired off a late night tweet Wednesday, calling the actions taken by Democrats to keep the borders wide open, “TREASONOUS.”
Thank you, President Trump for calling it what it is!
“I think what the Democrats are doing with the Border is TREASONOUS. Their Open Border mindset is putting our Country at risk. Will not let this happen!” Trump said in a tweet..................
TREASON: Aiding and abetting the enemy.
2020 DEMOCRATIC AGENDA:
Gee, is there ONE THING in there for the average American taxpayer?
- Wide Open Borders, no idea who comes in or why.
- Freedom of the Press, to print unchecked, unrestricted libel freely against their opponents to damage them with total impunity.
- Leave all schools WIDE OPEN to student murder, then blame the NRA and guns.
- Send Obama to meet clandestinely with hostile foreign leaders against the sitting president's agenda.
- Set up Carbon Credits to funnel money into Europe.
- Aide the takeover of government by non-citizens and hostile minorities like muslims, gays and transgenders with special interests.
- Strengthen hold of ACA act over American people.
- Raise taxes on the rich, thereby forcing them to cut back on jobs for the middle class.
A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."
Which Democrats have advocated open borders?
How bout the ones in the Dem led House??
They sure aren't worried about National Security.
They aren't worried about the thousands of illegals who cross the border every day. They don't see anything wrong with it.
And they sure aren't worried about the fake asylum seekers who are at our border right now. They don't see anything wrong at all.
They aren't worried about the invasion the illegals practice every day. They sure as shit don't see a problem with the illegal invasion at all.
Sound like they want open borders to me.
Yeah, Trump is right and everyone else is wrong.Not the only solution. Just the best solution employed by many many nations.I see. So you're saying a physical wall is the ONLY solution? It's either a wall or open borders.
How 65 countries have erected security walls on their borders | Daily Mail Online
But I guess they are all just wrong.
The American left insists otherwise when it comes to walls. Needless to say they have no credibility.
The GOP traditionally has been filled with globalist quislings (McCain and Bush being two notable examples) that would love to flood the country with cheap compliant labor driving down wages and protections for native workers.The GOP was in charge for two years why was there no wall then? I guess that makes the GOP the party of open borders too. Seems to me, the only people who want a wall are Trump and his base, about 40% of the country. I guess that makes us a country of open border supporters or do you think we should be ruled by the minority?
Maybe you know better, maybe you don't but Trump has not only had to take on the socialists on the left but fifth column factions entrenched in the republican party itself. We have a legitimate invasion on the Southern border and pretending we don't and our borders could be secured by other means is ridiculous as many agreements to improve security there have been simply ignored, forgotten or applied halfheartedly to say the least.
A wall cannot be ignored or avoided by illegals moving North or by slimy politicians playing disingenuous games and
it does not depend on the mood of the next administration or other presidents yet to come. Once there it stays put.
Supporting the OP by making up his own '2020 DEMOCRATIC AGENDA' is the very definition of a straw man argument.Straw man:Trump Fires Off Late Night Tweet - Calls Democrats' Open Border Policies "TREASONOUS"
President Trump fired off a late night tweet Wednesday, calling the actions taken by Democrats to keep the borders wide open, “TREASONOUS.”
Thank you, President Trump for calling it what it is!
“I think what the Democrats are doing with the Border is TREASONOUS. Their Open Border mindset is putting our Country at risk. Will not let this happen!” Trump said in a tweet..................
TREASON: Aiding and abetting the enemy.
2020 DEMOCRATIC AGENDA:
Gee, is there ONE THING in there for the average American taxpayer?
- Wide Open Borders, no idea who comes in or why.
- Freedom of the Press, to print unchecked, unrestricted libel freely against their opponents to damage them with total impunity.
- Leave all schools WIDE OPEN to student murder, then blame the NRA and guns.
- Send Obama to meet clandestinely with hostile foreign leaders against the sitting president's agenda.
- Set up Carbon Credits to funnel money into Europe.
- Aide the takeover of government by non-citizens and hostile minorities like muslims, gays and transgenders with special interests.
- Strengthen hold of ACA act over American people.
- Raise taxes on the rich, thereby forcing them to cut back on jobs for the middle class.
A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."
Which Democrats have advocated open borders?
Even worse when an idiot like you mistakes a post SUPPORTING the OP as a strawman argument. Meantime, GIVE US THE LIST of Democrats defending Trump's call for a border wall!(oh that was just too easy)
Which laws have the Dems tried to repeal that would make entry into the US easier than it is now?Please re-read the definition of "Straw Man" or provide some links to back up your accusations. Dems may not want a wall but that is not the same as open borders any more than the GOP wanting to repeal ACA means they don't want Americans to have health care.Straw man:TREASON: Aiding and abetting the enemy.
2020 DEMOCRATIC AGENDA:
Gee, is there ONE THING in there for the average American taxpayer?
- Wide Open Borders, no idea who comes in or why.
- Freedom of the Press, to print unchecked, unrestricted libel freely against their opponents to damage them with total impunity.
- Leave all schools WIDE OPEN to student murder, then blame the NRA and guns.
- Send Obama to meet clandestinely with hostile foreign leaders against the sitting president's agenda.
- Set up Carbon Credits to funnel money into Europe.
- Aide the takeover of government by non-citizens and hostile minorities like muslims, gays and transgenders with special interests.
- Strengthen hold of ACA act over American people.
- Raise taxes on the rich, thereby forcing them to cut back on jobs for the middle class.
A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."
Which Democrats have advocated open borders?
How bout the ones in the Dem led House??
They sure aren't worried about National Security.
They aren't worried about the thousands of illegals who cross the border every day. They don't see anything wrong with it.
And they sure aren't worried about the fake asylum seekers who are at our border right now. They don't see anything wrong at all.
They aren't worried about the invasion the illegals practice every day. They sure as shit don't see a problem with the illegal invasion at all.
Sound like they want open borders to me.
Well for folks who don't want open borders they are doing their best to allow every illegal and fake asylum seeker to get into the US.
Oh and the Dem House isn't doing a damned thing to stem the tide of illegals invading our country.
Maybe they like spending billions of tax payers dollars to support the illegals. That what these assholes cost us each year. Billions.
They also must like seeing Americans robbed, raped and murder every year by illegal.
For people you say don't want open borders they are doing their best to make a liar out of you.
Dems want secure borders, they simply want a different way of getting there."Dems may not want a wall but that is not the same as open borders" News flash for you buddy, a wall CLOSES the border. That is a MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE condition to it NOT having a wall (being OPEN), that is, unless your plan is to somehow close the border by parking bumper to bumper cars, pick up trucks or non-stop police dogs in front of it?
"GOP wanting to repeal ACA means they don't want Americans to have health care" Again, wanting to repeal ACA has NOTHING to do with being for or against healthcare, it simply means wanting a different way of getting there. In case you didn't know, we all actually HAD healthcare before Obama-Pelosi.
Just that we agree that a fence is adequate and a wall is not needed.It looks like it would be very difficult to scale (sort of the whole idea). What's your point?Did you even look at your own link? Many of the 65 'walls' were no more intimidating than what we currently have. Here's a section of Israel's 'wall':
Yes. The Democrats want large numbers of "foreign nationals" to overthrow the current government and dismantle the Constitution. The president should bring home our troops and put them along our border with orders to use whatever force is necessary to keep the illegals out.Trump Fires Off Late Night Tweet - Calls Democrats' Open Border Policies "TREASONOUS"
President Trump fired off a late night tweet Wednesday, calling the actions taken by Democrats to keep the borders wide open, “TREASONOUS.”
Thank you, President Trump for calling it what it is!
“I think what the Democrats are doing with the Border is TREASONOUS. Their Open Border mindset is putting our Country at risk. Will not let this happen!” Trump said in a tweet..................
There is no Democrat 2020 agenda so you invented one. Sounds like a straw man to me.Look, Ace, you don't even know what a strawman is.
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I wasn't refuting the OP, I was supporting it.
And the list of details I gave were taken from the very things said and actions taken by the Democratic Party.
House Democratic Conferees Unveil Proposal for Smart, Effective Border SecurityWhich laws have the Dems passed or even voted for, that would curb illegal invasion?
Trump has clarified things and made it clear he is for some sort of obstacle or barrier that would deter illegal immigrants from sneaking into our nation. A wall necessarily is not mandatory and he's said so since the government shut downJust that we agree that a fence is adequate and a wall is not needed.
Dems want secure borders, they simply want a different way of getting there."Dems may not want a wall but that is not the same as open borders" News flash for you buddy, a wall CLOSES the border. That is a MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE condition to it NOT having a wall (being OPEN), that is, unless your plan is to somehow close the border by parking bumper to bumper cars, pick up trucks or non-stop police dogs in front of it?
"GOP wanting to repeal ACA means they don't want Americans to have health care" Again, wanting to repeal ACA has NOTHING to do with being for or against healthcare, it simply means wanting a different way of getting there. In case you didn't know, we all actually HAD healthcare before Obama-Pelosi.
There is no Democrat 2020 agenda so you invented one. Sounds like a straw man to me.Look, Ace, you don't even know what a strawman is.
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I wasn't refuting the OP, I was supporting it.
And the list of details I gave were taken from the very things said and actions taken by the Democratic Party.
House Democratic Conferees Unveil Proposal for Smart, Effective Border SecurityWhich laws have the Dems passed or even voted for, that would curb illegal invasion?
Personally, I object to paying for something wasteful just because Trump made a campaign promise to his base, especially since he also promised the Mexicans would pay for it.And what do you have against walls? Not pretty enough for ya? Don't match the color of your blue eyes? Don't think they are secure enough or are you just trying to save on bricks?
We can't just build a wall, no matter how big, that people couldn't get over, under, around, or through. To make it secure we'll ALWAYS have to maintain, monitor and patrol the border so you're wrong that 85% of the expenses wouldn't be needed and the wall is a one-time expense.Lot's of democratic talk as usual, 85% wouldn't be needed if you simply had a barrier at the border to STOP people from coming in except authorized ports of entry IN THE FIRST PLACE. This is all an ONGOING expense while a wall is mostly a ONE TIME expense. In the end, will be much more costly and a fraction as effective. Just a fancy way of taking up a lot more time, spending a lot of pork around, while still getting in tons of illegals into the country. No thank you. I like the president's idea much better and will do it HIS way.House Democratic Conferees Unveil Proposal for Smart, Effective Border SecurityWhich laws have the Dems passed or even voted for, that would curb illegal invasion?
