Trump loses Utah... In the general

[JakeStarkey]

PredFan cracks me up because he discounts the value of polls.

I have been around since Nixon's elections, and I can tell you, while not the end all be all, are very important in politics.

Why here is Fakey now......vowing to throw the election if the establishment doesn't get it's way.

The polls are far more accurate than Freewill's and eagle's failing hopes.

I have every American right to vote against a candidate that I believe does not represent the very best for America. I will vote for Gary Johnson because he is far more preferable to Trump. And more Republicans, as the poll in Utah indicates, will vote for HRC than Trump. If he can't hold even Utah, he can't win.

 

[JakeStarkey]

PredFan cracks me up because he discounts the value of polls.

I have been around since Nixon's elections, and I can tell you, while not the end all be all, are very important in politics.

Is there some sort of indictment coming from the Hague that GWB needs to worry about?

I did a quick google and didn't see one. If Trump is saying stupid stuff he will get it straight. What happens to Bush is immaterial to what is going on in the world or the US. If Bush is guilty of war crimes in Iraq then Clinton is equally guilty for his bombing of Serbia and Obama for Libya and his predator program.

Pretty big pandora's box to be opening.

Off OP.

 

[eagle1462010]

PredFan cracks me up because he discounts the value of polls.

I have been around since Nixon's elections, and I can tell you, while not the end all be all, are very important in politics.

Why here is Fakey now......vowing to throw the election if the establishment doesn't get it's way.

I have every American right to vote against a candidate that I believe does not represent the very best for America. I will vote for Gary Johnson because he is far more preferable to Trump. And more Republicans, as the poll in Utah indicates, will vote for HRC than Trump. If he can't hold even Utah, he can't win.

Establishment tactic to throw in a 3rd party to give the establishment the win with Hillary..........Proving that their is only one party anymore..............

Poor Smeagle.............must have the ring.......must have the ring.........

 

[Iceweasel]

Poll: Utah would vote for a Democrat for president over Trump

If Trump is the nominee, he loses Utah in the general. Explain to me how he wins a general election if he can't even win one of the most conservative states in the nation?

I highly doubt this is the only one with the huge negatives he has been getting in the west

Well, Cruz and Kasich is still in it so any poll now is worthless. Most are anyway.

 

[Freewill]

This shit cracks me up.

I've been following politics since Gerald Ford was POTUS. Polls have been predicting various things every single election. In the end they are usually not much better than a guess. Yet, every single election people quote them and base their hopes and their arguments on them. Never changes.

The state polling in 2008 and 2012 was spot on.

I guess it is a matter of what you consider "spot on."

Here from Gallup: Election Polls -- Accuracy Record in Presidential Elections

Oops, Romney forgot to win. When elections are won by 5 percent 2 or 3 percent error is significant.

Election Polls -- Accuracy Record in Presidential Elections

Here is an article to read:

Why Can't Pre-Election Polls Just Get It Right?

 

[JakeStarkey]

And the far right's significant error is that they think Trump can win.

It's a hopey changey kind of thing for them.

 

[eagle1462010]

And the far right's significant error is that they think Trump can win.

It's a hopey changey kind of thing for them.

Smeagle can't get the ring.......so Smeagle vote for the ring in the Democrap side...........Hillary give Smeagle the ring.....must have the ring......must have the ring......

 

[Freewill]

America is not desperate, and Trump ain't a stud. The fact is that eagle and moreover, The Donald, is desperate.

Here is Eagle (who does not represent America) of being desperate. This is desperation of the worst sort.

I am not sure how you could be more sexist Jake, quite the show. And no that isn't a challenge for you to prove you can.

 

[Freewill]

And the far right's significant error is that they think Trump can win.

It's a hopey changey kind of thing for them.

And since you and your ilk have been saying for months he can't win then any future predictions from you and your ilk are suspect at best.

 

[AceRothstein]

This shit cracks me up.

I've been following politics since Gerald Ford was POTUS. Polls have been predicting various things every single election. In the end they are usually not much better than a guess. Yet, every single election people quote them and base their hopes and their arguments on them. Never changes.

The state polling in 2008 and 2012 was spot on.

I guess it is a matter of what you consider "spot on."

Here from Gallup: Election Polls -- Accuracy Record in Presidential Elections

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Oops, Romney forgot to win. When elections are won by 5 percent 2 or 3 percent error is significant.

Election Polls -- Accuracy Record in Presidential Elections

Here is an article to read:

Why Can't Pre-Election Polls Just Get It Right?

Notice how I said state polling and you post a national poll. Reading is hard.

 

[Freewill]

This shit cracks me up.

I've been following politics since Gerald Ford was POTUS. Polls have been predicting various things every single election. In the end they are usually not much better than a guess. Yet, every single election people quote them and base their hopes and their arguments on them. Never changes.

The state polling in 2008 and 2012 was spot on.

I guess it is a matter of what you consider "spot on."

Here from Gallup: Election Polls -- Accuracy Record in Presidential Elections

View attachment 68229

Oops, Romney forgot to win. When elections are won by 5 percent 2 or 3 percent error is significant.

Election Polls -- Accuracy Record in Presidential Elections

Here is an article to read:

Why Can't Pre-Election Polls Just Get It Right?

Notice how I said state polling and you post a national poll. Reading is hard.

I knew you were going to say that. At the least I tried to post some sort of support for the polling since we are talking national election polling. I guess what you are saying that they got all the states correctly but the national election incorrect. In 2012 Romney beat Obama by almost 50 percent in Utah. How hard would a poll have to work to get that correct?

 

[AceRothstein]

This shit cracks me up.

I've been following politics since Gerald Ford was POTUS. Polls have been predicting various things every single election. In the end they are usually not much better than a guess. Yet, every single election people quote them and base their hopes and their arguments on them. Never changes.

The state polling in 2008 and 2012 was spot on.

I guess it is a matter of what you consider "spot on."

Here from Gallup: Election Polls -- Accuracy Record in Presidential Elections

View attachment 68229

Oops, Romney forgot to win. When elections are won by 5 percent 2 or 3 percent error is significant.

Election Polls -- Accuracy Record in Presidential Elections

Here is an article to read:

Why Can't Pre-Election Polls Just Get It Right?

Notice how I said state polling and you post a national poll. Reading is hard.

I knew you were going to say that. At the least I tried to post some sort of support for he the polling since we are talking national election polling. I guess what you are saying that they got all the states correctly but the national election incorrect. In 2012 Romney beat Obama by almost 50 percent in Utah. How hard would a poll have to work to get that correct?

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They got the national election correctly because they got the state's right. The national vote means nothing.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Utah is the most Republican state in the country. Without a second poll showing the same results I doubt there is very much truth to this.

 

[Freewill]

This shit cracks me up.

I've been following politics since Gerald Ford was POTUS. Polls have been predicting various things every single election. In the end they are usually not much better than a guess. Yet, every single election people quote them and base their hopes and their arguments on them. Never changes.

The state polling in 2008 and 2012 was spot on.

I guess it is a matter of what you consider "spot on."

Here from Gallup: Election Polls -- Accuracy Record in Presidential Elections

View attachment 68229

Oops, Romney forgot to win. When elections are won by 5 percent 2 or 3 percent error is significant.

Election Polls -- Accuracy Record in Presidential Elections

Here is an article to read:

Why Can't Pre-Election Polls Just Get It Right?

Notice how I said state polling and you post a national poll. Reading is hard.

I knew you were going to say that. At the least I tried to post some sort of support for he the polling since we are talking national election polling. I guess what you are saying that they got all the states correctly but the national election incorrect. In 2012 Romney beat Obama by almost 50 percent in Utah. How hard would a poll have to work to get that correct?

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They got the national election correctly because they got the state's right. The national vote means nothing.

As I pointed out to you, Gallup didn't get the 2012 national election correct.

 

[PredFan]

This shit cracks me up.

I've been following politics since Gerald Ford was POTUS. Polls have been predicting various things every single election. In the end they are usually not much better than a guess. Yet, every single election people quote them and base their hopes and their arguments on them. Never changes.

The state polling in 2008 and 2012 was spot on.

I didn't say they were wrong, I said they were no better than a guess. You can cherry pick times when they were spot on but you can also cherry pick times when they had it all wrong.

 

[PredFan]

This shit cracks me up.

I've been following politics since Gerald Ford was POTUS. Polls have been predicting various things every single election. In the end they are usually not much better than a guess. Yet, every single election people quote them and base their hopes and their arguments on them. Never changes.

The state polling in 2008 and 2012 was spot on.

I guess it is a matter of what you consider "spot on."

Here from Gallup: Election Polls -- Accuracy Record in Presidential Elections

View attachment 68229

Oops, Romney forgot to win. When elections are won by 5 percent 2 or 3 percent error is significant.

Election Polls -- Accuracy Record in Presidential Elections

Here is an article to read:

Why Can't Pre-Election Polls Just Get It Right?

Notice how I said state polling and you post a national poll. Reading is hard.

I knew you were going to say that. At the least I tried to post some sort of support for he the polling since we are talking national election polling. I guess what you are saying that they got all the states correctly but the national election incorrect. In 2012 Romney beat Obama by almost 50 percent in Utah. How hard would a poll have to work to get that correct?

View attachment 68231

They got the national election correctly because they got the state's right. The national vote means nothing.

And here you both illustrate the priblem with polling.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Poll: Utah would vote for a Democrat for president over Trump

If Trump is the nominee, he loses Utah in the general. Explain to me how he wins a general election if he can't even win one of the most conservative states in the nation?

I highly doubt this is the only one with the huge negatives he has been getting in the west

LOL.... This is actually one of the most laughable threads of the day ..Trump will lose Utah to Cruz in the primary But the leftist will never win Utah in the General you're dreaming

I have my condo in downtown SLC for years, and I fully understand the Utah mind. The following from the link is just so right to me and others who understand Utah.

"The poll found that may well be true. Utah voters said they would reject Trump, the GOP frontrunner, whether former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is the Democratic candidate on the general election ballot.

While Clinton was only slightly ahead of Trump — 38 percent to 36 percent — Sanders, a self-declared Democratic socialist, holds a substantial lead — 48 percent to 37 percent over the billionaire businessman and reality TV star among likely Utah voters."

"Wow. Wow. That's surprising," said Chris Karpowitz, co-director of Brigham Young University's Center for the Study of Elections and Democracy. "Any matchup in which Democrats are competitive in the state of Utah is shocking."

The LDS Church is strongly signaling that Trump is an unacceptable candidate.

You fully understand the Utah Mind?????

I bet that was a long lonely journey.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Poll: Utah would vote for a Democrat for president over Trump

If Trump is the nominee, he loses Utah in the general. Explain to me how he wins a general election if he can't even win one of the most conservative states in the nation?

I highly doubt this is the only one with the huge negatives he has been getting in the west

Go Zags

 

[tyroneweaver]

And the far right's significant error is that they think Trump can win.

It's a hopey changey kind of thing for them.

I'm president of the far right. Since when did we endorse Trump?
And right now us far righties don't know who's going to win.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Poll: Utah would vote for a Democrat for president over Trump

If Trump is the nominee, he loses Utah in the general. Explain to me how he wins a general election if he can't even win one of the most conservative states in the nation?

I highly doubt this is the only one with the huge negatives he has been getting in the west

--LOL

nice try

--LOL