Trump needs to win now.

[berg80]

Alternate possible explanation. Over time due to America being led by leaders that did not see it as their job to pursue American interests,

ALL our relationships slowly became dysfunctional.

Lots to unpack there. Give me an example of......."America being led by leaders that did not see it as their job to pursue American interests."

Before trump that is.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm not sure you realize how much this post reveals....about you.

Because grown adults understand that most of life is "transactional". Of course you do not have a relationship with a cashier, or even those you think you might: your doctor, your kids' teachers, etc. That doesn't give license to be unkind, impolite, or disrespectful. It does mean someone has role X and someone else has role Z.

Trump is a president. His job is not to be friends with the entire world.

Again, what a revealing post.

The problem here is that Trump isn't doing what's in the best interest of the World or the United States, he's doing what's in the best interest of Trump. You can see the first 40 minutes or so of that conference, where he spends most of it whining about how Biden wronged him.

Zelenskyy was trying to desperately point out that hey, you can't trust Putin, he's broken every agreement he's ever made.

 

[berg80]

I hope that Tulsi Gabbard and Marco Rubio know that the door to some kinds of overseas intelligence is probably closed.

Right. Why would any nation, besides Russia, continue intelligence sharing arrangements with us now that our current posture makes us their enemy?

 

[Correll]

Lots to unpack there. Give me an example of......."America being led by leaders that did not see it as their job to pursue American interests."

Before trump that is.

Free trade republicans happy to sign free trade deals that allowed American workers to be fucked by competing with cheaper foreign workers on a level playing field.

That was putting ideology ahead of AMERICAN interests.

As one example.

 

[citygator]

If anyone disagrees with this, please jump in.

I've spent a lot of time viewing commentary from around the world on what is happening to America, and about what happened between Trump, Vance and Zelensky at the White House. I guess I'll say this: The "good news" is that they appear to be getting it now. They appear to understand that Trump does not want ties, he wants transactional relationships.

By "transactional relationship", I mean like walking into a 7-11. You don't know the cashier, they don't know you. You grab a candy bar because you want it. The cashier wants a dollar. You give the cashier the dollar, and you walk out. You may see or interact with the cashier in the future, or you may not. When you walk out the door, that relationship is over until further notice.

Not only does it appear that the world is now understanding this, but it also appears that the world is prepared to embrace it with America. No relationship building, no sharing of what we have or know or can find out. They appear to be ready to set us apart from them, with all future dealings to be on a transactional basis only. I think there will be a time of mourning, but Europe and rest of the world knows they can't wait to act now. They have to detach.

Trump has pushed America out of the airplane. None of us know the actual quality of our parachute. This has to work, for our sake, and for the sake of our kids. We've passed the Rubicon now. It's America Alone.

I look forward to any thoughtful, original, intelligent thoughts.

Vladimir Putin's Kremlin celebrates as Donald Trump ends Ukraine talks

The much-anticipated meeting between Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelensky ended in a shouting match.

www.express.co.uk

Well said but I might say it even less diplomatically and suggest there is less aligned for the US in a Trump victory.

Trump is transactional for himself. It matters not if America's interests are aligned with his personal transactions. Trump winning doesnt lead to America winning. In fact, Trump losing this bet is better for America than Trump winning it. We will need to go through some "pain" as Elon said... just not in the way he is thinking. We need fortunes and freedoms ruined until we get a clue.

 

[Mac1958]

Right. Why would any nation, besides Russia, continue intelligence sharing arrangements with us now that our current posture makes us their enemy?

I could see the same issues within our own FBI & National Intelligence now. Gabbard and Kash Patel?

These staffs are in impossible situations.

 

[wamose]

I'm pretty sure that Trump anticipated something like this happening. He still has a plan. On the other hand, I think Zelenski was figuring to become a hero in Europe by standing up to Trump. Midgets think that way. But that didn't happen. So now the writing is on the wall. Without the US, Ukraine will fall and they might not be the last country in Russia's crosshairs. After Ukraine falls, I think China will become a more visible ally to Russia in their future aggressions. The bottom line is Zalenski-Ukraine is the biggest loser with the stability of eastern Europe a close second.

 

[Mac1958]

Well said but I might say it even less diplomatically and suggest there is less aligned for the US in a Trump victory.

Trump is transactional for himself. It matters not if America's interests are aligned with his personal transactions. Trump winning doesnt lead to America winning. In fact, Trump losing this bet is better for America than Trump winning it. We will need to go through some "pain" as Elon said... just not in the way he is thinking. We need fortunes and freedoms ruined until we get a clue.

From what I'm seeing, we're now seen as dangerous. Not that we would attack anyone, but now no agreement is safe, no relationship is solid, nothing is stable.

It's one thing if we were a small, insignificant country. But the former leader of the world? There are decent, honorable and innocent people around the planet who are pretty scared right now.

 

[berg80]

Free trade republicans happy to sign free trade deals that allowed American workers to be fucked by competing with cheaper foreign workers on a level playing field.

That was putting ideology ahead of AMERICAN interests.

As one example.

Is that a backdoor endorsement of destructive tariffs? Cuz I have news for you. US manufacturers began taking advantage of cheaper labor around the world regardless of trade agreements. It's why Dems began their attempts to de-incentivize off shoring of manufacturing more than a decade ago, efforts consistently blocked by Repubs.

 

[j-mac]

If anyone disagrees with this, please jump in.

Why? Your threads are useless.

 

[citygator]

From what I'm seeing, we're now seen as dangerous. Not that we would attack anyone, but now no agreement is safe, no relationship is solid, nothing is stable.

It's one thing if we were a small, insignificant country. But the former leader of the world? There are decent, honorable and innocent people around the planet who are pretty scared right now.

They should be scared. America isnt that country anymore. It is a petty, conspiracy embracing, conned, dumbed down country of uniformed cult idiots who's leaders used to rise above that instead of reflect it. Democracy is D. O. A.

 

[berg80]

Why? Your threads are useless.

Did you run out of coloring books? Please ask your mom for another and let the adults talk.

 

[berg80]

They should be scared. America isnt that country anymore. It is a petty, conspiracy embracing, conned, dumbed down country of uniformed cult idiots who's leaders used to rise above that instead of reflect it. Democracy is D. O. A.

Can it be restored once trump is gone or will right wing media create another demagogue to replace him? After yesterday's performance my money is on JD.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

When NATO allies came to our defense after 9/11 was that a quagmire?

Invocation of Article 5​

The 9/11 terrorist attacks​

The United States was the object of brutal terrorist attacks on 11 September 2001. The Alliance's 1999 Strategic Concept had already identified terrorism as one of the risks affecting NATO’s security. The Alliance’s response to 9/11, however, saw NATO engage actively in the fight against terrorism, launch its first operations outside the Euro-Atlantic area and begin a far-reaching transformation of its capabilities. Moreover, it led NATO to invoke Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty for the very first time in its history.



Now the orange, Russian asset says fuck that.

Trump says he would encourage Russia to 'do whatever ...​

CNN
https://www.cnn.com › 2024/02/10 › politics › trump-r...
Feb 10, 2024 — Trump says he would encourage Russia to 'do whatever the hell they want' to any NATO country that doesn't pay enough.

 

[BrokeLoser]

If anyone disagrees with this, please jump in.

I've spent a lot of time viewing commentary from around the world on what is happening to America, and about what happened between Trump, Vance and Zelensky at the White House. I guess I'll say this: The "good news" is that they appear to be getting it now. They appear to understand that Trump does not want ties, he wants transactional relationships.

By "transactional relationship", I mean like walking into a 7-11. You don't know the cashier, they don't know you. You grab a candy bar because you want it. The cashier wants a dollar. You give the cashier the dollar, and you walk out. You may see or interact with the cashier in the future, or you may not. When you walk out the door, that relationship is over until further notice.

Not only does it appear that the world is now understanding this, but it also appears that the world is prepared to embrace it with America. No relationship building, no sharing of what we have or know or can find out. They appear to be ready to set us apart from them, with all future dealings to be on a transactional basis only. I think there will be a time of mourning, but Europe and rest of the world knows they can't wait to act now. They have to detach.

Trump has pushed America out of the airplane. None of us know the actual quality of our parachute. This has to work, for our sake, and for the sake of our kids. We've passed the Rubicon now. It's America Alone.

I look forward to any thoughtful, original, intelligent thoughts.

Vladimir Putin's Kremlin celebrates as Donald Trump ends Ukraine talks

The much-anticipated meeting between Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelensky ended in a shouting match.

www.express.co.uk

Obviously you don't understand the metaphor: The airplane is the planet. Trump has made it abundantly clear that he is interested in transactional relationships only. He will pick and choose who and when and why and how, with every major international decision, with no ties going forward.

I think we all know that. And it's clear that his supporters like it.

Never mind.

I'll try again.

What do the next 20, 50 years look like, now that the world can no longer trust America to be anything but transactional?

Translation:
“We must continue to give free shit to the world and buy relationships because that what we’ve done to get ourselves $37 TRILLION in debt and invaded by 50 million Mexicans.”

 

[The Duke]

The "Pilot" is a blind drunk.

America isn't Russia or Ukraine, bitch.
We put in a real day in America. Whatever it takes to get the job done, really

 

[citygator]

Can it be restored once trump is gone or will right wing media create another demagogue to replace him? After yesterday's performance my money is on JD.

GOP will be wiped out in the next 2 elections but the world cannot trust the people of the US anymore. We are always one election from having a Russian asset lead it.

 

[my2¢]

I see what the OP is saying but I believe other countries will see Trump only as a short-term problem. Comparing the reactions in yesterday's meeting between Trump and Zelensky, like they say, don't let the other side see you sweat. One would think it was the U.S. that was under the gun. I don't see Trump as having any major long-term (20-30 years) influence over our foreign relations.

 

[22lcidw]

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It does not matter what Republicans do that you agree with. For you will end up not agreeing.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

America isn't Russia or Ukraine, bitch.
We put in a real day in America. Whatever it takes to get the job done, really

Sure.............Trump blames Ukraine for Russian invasion.
America was to blame for 9/11............