Trump On Woodward Tape Admitting To Lying About Seriousness Of Coronavirus

[iceberg]

'Play it down': Trump admits to concealing the true threat of coronavirus in new Woodward book

President Donald Trump admitted he knew weeks before the first confirmed US coronavirus death that the virus was dangerous, airborne, highly contagious and "more deadly than even your strenuous flus," and that he repeatedly played it down publicly, according to legendary journalist Bob Woodward...

www.cnn.com

There is nothing left to be said.

Report was debunked. Fake News.

Next...

With his own voice! Who "debunked" this story?

Trump lied to the American people, that includes you. And yet you deny it.

Thus cults work in poison.

Awwwk! Awwwwk! Libber Polly wanna cracker! Awwwwk!

Well argued.

You deny facts. Why should your immaturity be rewarded by debate? You cannot be taught, informed or respected.

Which facts? You mean like the 2.8% mortality the President has lowered our country down to, after the 8% mass murderer Killer Cuomo and his band of Democrat hit men killed 90,000 people? We are lower than the global average despite NY and NJ causing more deaths than most countries....we have conducted 90 million tests to lead the globe there too....those facts??

4% of world population yet 25% of coronavirus cases.

Trump saying he knows the lethality, communicability, and effects on all age groups, yet publically calling the pandemic a "hoax" (a word he uses as projection) and saying it will just 'go away'! Americans need facts to make decisions. Trump is telling us what to think.

And you just go along.

Glad BLM n shit don't do that.

 

[playtime]

Excessive blood clotting and stroke -- even in young, previously healthy people -- are among the myriad of effects the virus is having on people across the globe

People get blood clots, stroke. My sister, my dad. Wtf are you taking about? Virus don’t cause blood clots asswipe.

You’re a dupe that’s been duped. Post any study where a virus causes blood clots

Transl Res. 2020 Jun; 220: 1–13.
Published online 2020 Apr 15. doi: 10.1016/j.trsl.2020.04.007
PMCID: PMC7158248
PMID: 32299776
Complement associated microvascular injury and thrombosis in the pathogenesis of severe COVID-19 infection: A report of five cases
Complement associated microvascular injury and thrombosis in the pathogenesis of severe COVID-19 infection: A report of five cases

Why does the coronavirus cause blood clots?

Emerging evidence indicates that COVID-19, which is the disease that SARS-CoV-2 causes, leads to blood clots in an estimated 30% of critically ill patients.
Coronavirus and blood clots: Why does coronavirus cause blood clots?

Blood Clots Are Another Dangerous COVID-19 Mystery
By Brenda Goodman, MA
Blood Clots Are Another Dangerous COVID-19 Mystery

 

[playtime]

Medical examiners from Colorado to Michigan use the same definition. In Macomb and Oakland counties in Michigan, where most of the deaths in that state occurred, medical examiners classify any death as a coronavirus death when the postmortem test is positive. Even people who died in suicides and automobile accidents meet that definition.

Medical examiners only examine people who have an unknown or disputed cause of death. Someone who came in from an auto crash and died of his injuries would NOT be sent to the medical examiner.

Someone who got run over by a truck, would not be sent to the medical examiner.

Quincy is a busy man, they don't bother him unless they don't know the cause of death.

It’s not necessarily that the cases are going to the medical examiner for postmortems, it’s that the medical examiner collects the data for death certificates.

The death certificate will list the most proximate cause of death and then any contributing factors. Someone who died in a car accident isn’t going to have COVID as a contributing cause. The instances that have been discovered of something like this happen were errors, which if you have hundreds of thousands of data point, a few are always going to be in error.

You know, my room mate died at the end of June of this year, right when the pandemic was raging at some of it's worst. And, she didn't die because of COVID, she died because she had a heart condition, COPD, diabetes and was overweight. What was the cause of death on her death certificate? They said she died from heart failure due to her heart condition and COPD. Nothing was mentioned about COVID.

I believe you're a lying sack of shit as usual



U.S. COVID-19 Death Toll Is Inflated
COMMENTARY
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By Timothy Allen & John R. Lott Jr.
May 29, 2020
(AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)
The latest Centers for Disease Control data show that the COVID-19 fatality rate is 0.26% -- four times higher than the worst rate for the seasonal flu over the past decade. That is dramatically lower than the World Health Organization’s estimate of 3.4% and Dr. Anthony Fauci’s initial guess of about 2%.
When the CDC projected 1.7 million deaths back in March, it used an estimated death rate of 0.8%. Imperial College’s estimate of 2.2 million deaths assumed a rate of 0.9%. The fear generated by the projections drives the public policy debate. The Washington Post headline, “As deaths mount, Trump tries to convince Americans it’s safe to inch back to normal,” were part of a steady diet of such fare. When Georgia opened up over a month ago, the Post warned: “Georgia leads the race to become America’s No. 1 Death Destination.”


The CDC currently puts the number of confirmed deaths at about 100,000. But even the “best estimate” 0.26% fatality rate is a significant overestimate because of how the CDC is counting deaths. The actual rate is fairly close to a recent bad year for the seasonal flu. And though public health officials have been transparent about how they are counting coronavirus deaths, the implications for calculating the infection fatality rate are not appreciated.
“The case definition is very simplistic,” Dr. Ngozi Ezike, director of Illinois Department of Public Health, explains. “It means, at the time of death, it was a COVID positive diagnosis. That means, that if you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means, technically even if you died of [a] clear alternative cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it’s still listed as a COVID death.”
Medical examiners from Colorado to Michigan use the same definition. In Macomb and Oakland counties in Michigan, where most of the deaths in that state occurred, medical examiners classify any death as a coronavirus death when the postmortem test is positive. Even people who died in suicides and automobile accidents meet that definition.

Such expansive definitions are not due to rogue public health officials. The rules direct them to do this. “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx recently noted.

Beyond including people with the virus who clearly didn’t die from it, the numbers are inflated by counting people who don’t even have the virus. New York has classified many cases as coronavirus deaths even when postmortem tests have been negative. The diagnosis can be based on symptoms, even though the symptoms are often similar to those of the seasonal flu.
The Centers for Disease Control guidance explicitly acknowledges the uncertainty that doctors can face when identifying the cause of death. When coronavirus cases are “suspected,” the agency counsels doctors that “it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate.” This advice has produced a predictable inflation in the numbers. When New York City’s death toll rose above 10,000 on April 21, the New York Times reported that the city included “3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive” – more than a 50% increase in the number of cases.
Nor can this be explained by false-negative results in the tests. For the five most commonly used tests, the least reliable test still scored a 96% accuracy rate in laboratory settings. Some doctors report feeling pressure from hospitals to list deaths as being due to the coronavirus, even when the doctors don’t believe that is the case “to make it look a little bit worse than it is.” That is pressure they say they never previously faced in reporting deaths from the seasonal flu.

There are financial incentives that might make a difference for hospitals and doctors. The CARES Act adds a 20% premium for COVID-19 Medicare patients. Birx and others are also concerned that the CDC’s “antiquated” accounting system is double-counting cases and inflating mortality and case counts “by as much as 25%.” When all these anomalies are added up, it becomes apparent that we simply don’t have an accurate death toll from this new coronavirus. But it seems clear that the correct rate is just a little worse than the rate for the 2017-2018 flu.
Meanwhile, the Washington Post, New York Times, and others claim that we are undercounting the true number of deaths. They reach that conclusion by showing that the total number of deaths from all causes is about 30% greater than we would typically expect from March through early May. They then conclude that the excess is due to deaths not being accurately labeled as due to the coronavirus.
But these are not normal times. Many people with heart problems aren’t going to the hospital for fear of the virus. Delaying cancer surgeries and other serious medical treatments for months has real impacts on life expectancies. The stress of the situation is almost certainly increasing suicides and other illnesses. Which is not to minimize the threat: Even if the true death toll is now closer to 50,000 than 100,000, this pandemic is a big deal. But we need some perspective. During the 2017-18 flu season, 61,000 Americans died from the flu.
Public health officials need to face a lot of serious questions about how they counted Coronavirus deaths. We don’t have all the answers yet, but it’s clear the inflated numbers have helped mislead people into a state of alarmism.

U.S. COVID-19 Death Toll Is Inflated | RealClearPolitics

The latest Centers for Disease Control data show that the COVID-19 fatality rate is 0.26% -- four times higher than the worst rate for the seasonal flu over the past decade. That is dramatically...

www.realclearpolitics.com

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your article is 'commentary' ... which is opinion. if one wants to look legit & knowledgeable on this here message board ... then one must NEVER post anything to prove one's stance using articles that a university would NEVER accept as proper sourcing such as links to wiki, opinions, or blogs.

you = fail.

 

[playtime]

And Nancy told people to come on out to Chinatown

I hate to admit it, but Pelosi, the governors and the mayors fell for Donald Trumps bullshit.

Trump said there was noting to worry about, just 15 cases, soon going down to almost zero. It was no worse than the flu. Trump told people to continue with their normal daily lives.

Yeah.... people fell for Trumps bullshit. I admit it.

Trump implemented travel bans while democrats wanted to party and impeach. lol

that was waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy back in march ... after several weeks of praising china & knowing it was heading this way.

he has done nothing since.

 

[Dagosa]

BIDEN PUBLICLY ADMITS HE IS ONCE AGAIN - AS ALWAYS - WRONG ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY AND THAT HE WAS WRONG TO OPPOSE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S LIFE SAVING TRAVEL BAN, THAT TRUMP WAS NOT ACTING HYSTERICAL BY IMPLEMENTING IT & THAT IT IS NOT 'XENOPHOBIC':



.

This a lie of unbelievable proportions. Trump's life saving travel ban didn't save lives because of his stupidity and racism when he didn't close down Europe in time, while simultaneously calling it a hoax. You are a liar.

Trump never called it a hoax stop lying

I'm waiting for the rebuttal.

The president, who often dismissed special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation and his impeachment as hoaxes, portrayed the Democrats’ criticism of his coronavirus policy as a continuation of a campaign to bring him down.

Did President Trump Refer to the Coronavirus as a 'Hoax'?

Trump's commentary on the new coronavirus came before the virus began killing patients in the U.S.

www.snopes.com

What's True
During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.
What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

He was just as wrong. The Dems response to the corona virus was...<listen to the medical science experts including the CDC at the time. > No more, no less. To say the Dems response was a hoax, is the same as saying his own CDC along with literally, everyone else in the medical community were a hoax. It was worse.

The right is the extremist.

 

[playtime]

please explain..... how did he not lie, when he was telling us the complete opposite, of what he knew to be true??

Yeah, where's my $2,500 savings in health insurance and why couldn't I keep my doctor and healthcare plan?? When Dems lie for the greater good it's okay. When Trump tries to avoid panicking a nation the left bitch and complain. I swear there is no pleasing the left.

Did you missing your $2500 in savings kill 190,000 fellow citizens in 6 months?

Obamacare never saved anyone money unless they never paid for it. Premiums kept going up.

premiums have been skyrocketing for the past 25 years, long before O care!

but that was not my point.... Blues was trying to say Obama's lie of savings on health care was equal to Trump's lie that has needlessly killed tens of thousands of fellow citizens....

there is no comparison that can be made between the two.

please explain..... how did he not lie, when he was telling us the complete opposite, of what he knew to be true??

Yeah, where's my $2,500 savings in health insurance and why couldn't I keep my doctor and healthcare plan?? When Dems lie for the greater good it's okay. When Trump tries to avoid panicking a nation the left bitch and complain. I swear there is no pleasing the left.

Did you missing your $2500 in savings kill 190,000 fellow citizens in 6 months?

Obamacare never saved anyone money unless they never paid for it. Premiums kept going up.

premiums have been skyrocketing for the past 25 years, long before O care!

but that was not my point.... Blues was trying to say Obama's lie of savings on health care was equal to Trump's lie that has needlessly killed tens of thousands of fellow citizens....

there is no comparison that can be made between the two.

that's not what your messiah said would happen obama said premiums would come down and they didn't

you can blame marco rubio for that little poison pill.


Marco Rubio Quietly Undermines Affordable Care Act
By Robert Pear
Dec. 9, 2015

WASHINGTON — A little-noticed health care provision slipped into a giant spending law last year has tangled up the Obama administration, sent tremors through health insurance markets and rattled confidence in the durability of President Obama’s signature health law.
Marco Rubio Quietly Undermines Affordable Care Act

 

[BluesLegend]

please explain..... how did he not lie, when he was telling us the complete opposite, of what he knew to be true??

Yeah, where's my $2,500 savings in health insurance and why couldn't I keep my doctor and healthcare plan?? When Dems lie for the greater good it's okay. When Trump tries to avoid panicking a nation the left bitch and complain. I swear there is no pleasing the left.

Did you missing your $2500 in savings kill 190,000 fellow citizens in 6 months?

Your post is blatantly dishonest but I'll play your stupid shit liberal game. 22 million Americans DIED during Obama's 8 years in office total, suck it.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

stop dodging the issue covid related versus covid caused one is not the cause of death and the other is, but all are counted as if covid killed them

COVID-19 related strokes, other neurological impact under study

Traditional stroke treatments like clot-dissolving tPA and surgical removal of big clots in the brain are good choices as well when the stroke results from SARS-CoV-2 infection, investigators report.

www.eurekalert.org

Excessive blood clotting and stroke -- even in young, previously healthy people -- are among the myriad of effects the virus is having on people across the globe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/24/strokes-coronavirus-young-patients/

Young and middle-aged people, barely sick with covid-19, are dying of strokes


The patient’s chart appeared unremarkable at first glance. He took no medications and had no history of chronic conditions. He had been feeling fine, hanging out at home during the lockdown like the rest of the country, when suddenly, he had trouble talking and moving the right side of his body. Imaging showed a large blockage on the left side of his head.

Oxley gasped when he got to the patient’s age and covid-19 status: 44, positive.

Clots that form on vessel walls fly upward. One that started in the calves might migrate to the lungs, causing a blockage called a pulmonary embolism that arrests breathing — a known cause of death in covid-19 patients. Clots in or near the heart might lead to a heart attack, another common cause of death. Anything above that would probably go to the brain, leading to a stroke.

If you don't mind use a fucking credible source. Hell you might as well use the onion

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the source was Washington post you dumb son of a bitch

 

[bigrebnc1775]

please explain..... how did he not lie, when he was telling us the complete opposite, of what he knew to be true??

Yeah, where's my $2,500 savings in health insurance and why couldn't I keep my doctor and healthcare plan?? When Dems lie for the greater good it's okay. When Trump tries to avoid panicking a nation the left bitch and complain. I swear there is no pleasing the left.

Did you missing your $2500 in savings kill 190,000 fellow citizens in 6 months?

Obamacare never saved anyone money unless they never paid for it. Premiums kept going up.

premiums have been skyrocketing for the past 25 years, long before O care!

but that was not my point.... Blues was trying to say Obama's lie of savings on health care was equal to Trump's lie that has needlessly killed tens of thousands of fellow citizens....

there is no comparison that can be made between the two.

please explain..... how did he not lie, when he was telling us the complete opposite, of what he knew to be true??

Yeah, where's my $2,500 savings in health insurance and why couldn't I keep my doctor and healthcare plan?? When Dems lie for the greater good it's okay. When Trump tries to avoid panicking a nation the left bitch and complain. I swear there is no pleasing the left.

Did you missing your $2500 in savings kill 190,000 fellow citizens in 6 months?

Obamacare never saved anyone money unless they never paid for it. Premiums kept going up.

premiums have been skyrocketing for the past 25 years, long before O care!

but that was not my point.... Blues was trying to say Obama's lie of savings on health care was equal to Trump's lie that has needlessly killed tens of thousands of fellow citizens....

there is no comparison that can be made between the two.

that's not what your messiah said would happen obama said premiums would come down and they didn't

you can blame marco rubio for that little poison pill.


Marco Rubio Quietly Undermines Affordable Care Act
By Robert Pear
Dec. 9, 2015

WASHINGTON — A little-noticed health care provision slipped into a giant spending law last year has tangled up the Obama administration, sent tremors through health insurance markets and rattled confidence in the durability of President Obama’s signature health law.
Marco Rubio Quietly Undermines Affordable Care Act

horseshit obama lied

 

[bigrebnc1775]

BIDEN PUBLICLY ADMITS HE IS ONCE AGAIN - AS ALWAYS - WRONG ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY AND THAT HE WAS WRONG TO OPPOSE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S LIFE SAVING TRAVEL BAN, THAT TRUMP WAS NOT ACTING HYSTERICAL BY IMPLEMENTING IT & THAT IT IS NOT 'XENOPHOBIC':



.

This a lie of unbelievable proportions. Trump's life saving travel ban didn't save lives because of his stupidity and racism when he didn't close down Europe in time, while simultaneously calling it a hoax. You are a liar.

Trump never called it a hoax stop lying

I'm waiting for the rebuttal.

The president, who often dismissed special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation and his impeachment as hoaxes, portrayed the Democrats’ criticism of his coronavirus policy as a continuation of a campaign to bring him down.

Did President Trump Refer to the Coronavirus as a 'Hoax'?

Trump's commentary on the new coronavirus came before the virus began killing patients in the U.S.

www.snopes.com

What's True
During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.
What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

He was just as wrong. The Dems response to the corona virus was...<listen to the medical science experts including the CDC at the time. > No more, no less. To say the Dems response was a hoax, is the same as saying his own CDC along with literally, everyone else in the medical community were a hoax. It was worse.

The right is the extremist.

actually democrats wanted to shut the economy down Covid will be gone like the wind after the election
leftists are extremist and a cancer to America

 

[Aldo Raine]

As I have written Trump lied and people died. It is as clear as day now that he was lying the whole time he was downplaying Covid. The two-faced President was telling Woodward just how dangerous it was while telling the people it will magically disappear.

How many people died because of Trump's lies. 20,000..50.,000..120,000?

Trump's apologists will make fools of themselves once arguing that Trump did not say or mean what he obviously said and meant.

Just when you think Trump has hit bottom..he once again proves us wrong by reaching even greater depths of depravity.

He is responsible for the deaths and the dying from this virus, and the economy.

Trump is also responsible for your acne and the mole in your back yard.

Cut the stupid shit. The Chinese are responsible for the people dying. Of course Joe didn't need to try to help them by undercutting the President while he tried to deal with it.

Now Joe's advertising his Biden virus plan ... to do what Trump is doing now ...

Why can’t you guys ever hold Trump responsible for anything?

why do you attack him for everything he does???

he tried to keep the people calm,,,whats wrong about that???

Calm? Like he does at his hate rallies? Do you mean like that?

All that Make America Great stuff is so hateful to Dimsocialist lemmings.

All that suckers and losers to dead soldiers certainly is! But we know it is just oh so MAGA to you fools.

MAGA

Feel free to bring those quotes from his rallies.

Watch this dodge......................

Does it matter when he said them? Watch this dodge does calling America's war dead suckers and losers " Make America Great Again?

Hmmmm...the claim was he did it at his rallies.

Hmmmm... does it matter? Does calling our dead soldiers suckers and losers Make America Great Again?

Dodge much?

I thought you were going to give us the name of the person that said they heard him say that???

guess youre going to stick to lying about it,,,

Guess your still running from your proof he didn’t say it?

MAGA

who said they heard him say it,,,

come on man,,,

You said you had proof he did not say it, come on ma'am!

How do you prove someone didn't say something, Clown?

If you claim someone said something, it's on you to prove he DID say it.

Holy cow, you are stupid.

Dewey said he had proof he didn't say it, how did he have proof?

MAGA

you are my proof dumbass,,,,

So no proof oc your bullshit?

 

[Aldo Raine]

As I have written Trump lied and people died. It is as clear as day now that he was lying the whole time he was downplaying Covid. The two-faced President was telling Woodward just how dangerous it was while telling the people it will magically disappear.

How many people died because of Trump's lies. 20,000..50.,000..120,000?

Trump's apologists will make fools of themselves once arguing that Trump did not say or mean what he obviously said and meant.

Just when you think Trump has hit bottom..he once again proves us wrong by reaching even greater depths of depravity.

He is responsible for the deaths and the dying from this virus, and the economy.

Trump is also responsible for your acne and the mole in your back yard.

Cut the stupid shit. The Chinese are responsible for the people dying. Of course Joe didn't need to try to help them by undercutting the President while he tried to deal with it.

Now Joe's advertising his Biden virus plan ... to do what Trump is doing now ...

Why can’t you guys ever hold Trump responsible for anything?

why do you attack him for everything he does???

he tried to keep the people calm,,,whats wrong about that???

Calm? Like he does at his hate rallies? Do you mean like that?

All that Make America Great stuff is so hateful to Dimsocialist lemmings.

All that suckers and losers to dead soldiers certainly is! But we know it is just oh so MAGA to you fools.

MAGA

Feel free to bring those quotes from his rallies.

Watch this dodge......................

Does it matter when he said them? Watch this dodge does calling America's war dead suckers and losers " Make America Great Again?

thats been proven a lie,,,

No it really hasn't, just because tRump says it's a lie means it is spot on.

MAGA

then why hasnt anyone that heard it come forward with proof???

oh thats right because it was made up,,,

Ewe said it was proven ti be a lie, prove it.

I did,,,

ROTFLMFAO, of course in that tiny mind of yours you did...to you and you alone.

tRump said he loves the poorly educated, he found ya!!!!!

MAGA

obama says he loves liars you are needed go spread those Biden lies lol

BBBBBBUUUUUTTTT OBAMA!

YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP!!!

MAGA

sorry chump but obama never went away he still injects himself into today's political situations
Deal with it

Bbbbbbuuuuutttt Obama!

What a buffoon.

MAGA

as I said chumpy mc chump
sorry chump but obama never went away he still injects himself into today's political situations
Deal with it

BBBBBBUUUUUTTTT OBAMA

Rent free in your empty head.

MAGA

 

[Dagosa]

BIDEN PUBLICLY ADMITS HE IS ONCE AGAIN - AS ALWAYS - WRONG ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY AND THAT HE WAS WRONG TO OPPOSE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S LIFE SAVING TRAVEL BAN, THAT TRUMP WAS NOT ACTING HYSTERICAL BY IMPLEMENTING IT & THAT IT IS NOT 'XENOPHOBIC':



.

This a lie of unbelievable proportions. Trump's life saving travel ban didn't save lives because of his stupidity and racism when he didn't close down Europe in time, while simultaneously calling it a hoax. You are a liar.

Trump never called it a hoax stop lying

I'm waiting for the rebuttal.

The president, who often dismissed special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation and his impeachment as hoaxes, portrayed the Democrats’ criticism of his coronavirus policy as a continuation of a campaign to bring him down.

Did President Trump Refer to the Coronavirus as a 'Hoax'?

Trump's commentary on the new coronavirus came before the virus began killing patients in the U.S.

www.snopes.com

What's True
During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.
What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

He was just as wrong. The Dems response to the corona virus was...<listen to the medical science experts including the CDC at the time. > No more, no less. To say the Dems response was a hoax, is the same as saying his own CDC along with literally, everyone else in the medical community were a hoax. It was worse.

The right is the extremist.

actually democrats wanted to shut the economy down Covid will be gone like the wind after the election
leftists are extremist and a cancer to America

No more then the rest of the educated world who are now ahead of us in economic opening. You follow the infections, you don’t open the economy with out following the medical science. The economy depends upon the population doing the correct things. Trump did everything he could to fk up that trend. He “ succeeded”. It’s his recession, and his death rates.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

As I have written Trump lied and people died. It is as clear as day now that he was lying the whole time he was downplaying Covid. The two-faced President was telling Woodward just how dangerous it was while telling the people it will magically disappear.

How many people died because of Trump's lies. 20,000..50.,000..120,000?

Trump's apologists will make fools of themselves once arguing that Trump did not say or mean what he obviously said and meant.

Just when you think Trump has hit bottom..he once again proves us wrong by reaching even greater depths of depravity.

He is responsible for the deaths and the dying from this virus, and the economy.

Trump is also responsible for your acne and the mole in your back yard.

Cut the stupid shit. The Chinese are responsible for the people dying. Of course Joe didn't need to try to help them by undercutting the President while he tried to deal with it.

Now Joe's advertising his Biden virus plan ... to do what Trump is doing now ...

Why can’t you guys ever hold Trump responsible for anything?

why do you attack him for everything he does???

he tried to keep the people calm,,,whats wrong about that???

Calm? Like he does at his hate rallies? Do you mean like that?

All that Make America Great stuff is so hateful to Dimsocialist lemmings.

All that suckers and losers to dead soldiers certainly is! But we know it is just oh so MAGA to you fools.

MAGA

Feel free to bring those quotes from his rallies.

Watch this dodge......................

Does it matter when he said them? Watch this dodge does calling America's war dead suckers and losers " Make America Great Again?

thats been proven a lie,,,

No it really hasn't, just because tRump says it's a lie means it is spot on.

MAGA

then why hasnt anyone that heard it come forward with proof???

oh thats right because it was made up,,,

Ewe said it was proven ti be a lie, prove it.

I did,,,

ROTFLMFAO, of course in that tiny mind of yours you did...to you and you alone.

tRump said he loves the poorly educated, he found ya!!!!!

MAGA

obama says he loves liars you are needed go spread those Biden lies lol

BBBBBBUUUUUTTTT OBAMA!

YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP!!!

MAGA

sorry chump but obama never went away he still injects himself into today's political situations
Deal with it

Bbbbbbuuuuutttt Obama!

What a buffoon.

MAGA

as I said chumpy mc chump
sorry chump but obama never went away he still injects himself into today's political situations
Deal with it

BBBBBBUUUUUTTTT OBAMA

Rent free in your empty head.

MAGA

as I said chumpy mc chump
sorry chump but obama never went away he still injects himself into today's political situations
Deal with it

 

[easyt65]

The right is the extremist.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

BIDEN PUBLICLY ADMITS HE IS ONCE AGAIN - AS ALWAYS - WRONG ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY AND THAT HE WAS WRONG TO OPPOSE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S LIFE SAVING TRAVEL BAN, THAT TRUMP WAS NOT ACTING HYSTERICAL BY IMPLEMENTING IT & THAT IT IS NOT 'XENOPHOBIC':



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This a lie of unbelievable proportions. Trump's life saving travel ban didn't save lives because of his stupidity and racism when he didn't close down Europe in time, while simultaneously calling it a hoax. You are a liar.

Trump never called it a hoax stop lying

I'm waiting for the rebuttal.

The president, who often dismissed special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation and his impeachment as hoaxes, portrayed the Democrats’ criticism of his coronavirus policy as a continuation of a campaign to bring him down.

Did President Trump Refer to the Coronavirus as a 'Hoax'?

Trump's commentary on the new coronavirus came before the virus began killing patients in the U.S.

www.snopes.com

What's True
During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.
What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.

He was just as wrong. The Dems response to the corona virus was...<listen to the medical science experts including the CDC at the time. > No more, no less. To say the Dems response was a hoax, is the same as saying his own CDC along with literally, everyone else in the medical community were a hoax. It was worse.

The right is the extremist.

actually democrats wanted to shut the economy down Covid will be gone like the wind after the election
leftists are extremist and a cancer to America

No more then the rest of the educated world who are now ahead of us in economic opening. You follow the infections, you don’t open the economy with out following the medical science. The economy depends upon the population doing the correct things. Trump did everything he could to fk up that trend. He “ succeeded”. It’s his recession, and his death rates.

and that right there is total HORSESHIT

 

[Aldo Raine]

As I have written Trump lied and people died. It is as clear as day now that he was lying the whole time he was downplaying Covid. The two-faced President was telling Woodward just how dangerous it was while telling the people it will magically disappear.

How many people died because of Trump's lies. 20,000..50.,000..120,000?

Trump's apologists will make fools of themselves once arguing that Trump did not say or mean what he obviously said and meant.

Just when you think Trump has hit bottom..he once again proves us wrong by reaching even greater depths of depravity.

He is responsible for the deaths and the dying from this virus, and the economy.

Trump is also responsible for your acne and the mole in your back yard.

Cut the stupid shit. The Chinese are responsible for the people dying. Of course Joe didn't need to try to help them by undercutting the President while he tried to deal with it.

Now Joe's advertising his Biden virus plan ... to do what Trump is doing now ...

Why can’t you guys ever hold Trump responsible for anything?

why do you attack him for everything he does???

he tried to keep the people calm,,,whats wrong about that???

Calm? Like he does at his hate rallies? Do you mean like that?

All that Make America Great stuff is so hateful to Dimsocialist lemmings.

All that suckers and losers to dead soldiers certainly is! But we know it is just oh so MAGA to you fools.

MAGA

Feel free to bring those quotes from his rallies.

Watch this dodge......................

Does it matter when he said them? Watch this dodge does calling America's war dead suckers and losers " Make America Great Again?

thats been proven a lie,,,

No it really hasn't, just because tRump says it's a lie means it is spot on.

MAGA

then why hasnt anyone that heard it come forward with proof???

oh thats right because it was made up,,,

Ewe said it was proven ti be a lie, prove it.

I did,,,

ROTFLMFAO, of course in that tiny mind of yours you did...to you and you alone.

tRump said he loves the poorly educated, he found ya!!!!!

MAGA

obama says he loves liars you are needed go spread those Biden lies lol

BBBBBBUUUUUTTTT OBAMA!

YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP!!!

MAGA

sorry chump but obama never went away he still injects himself into today's political situations
Deal with it

Bbbbbbuuuuutttt Obama!

What a buffoon.

MAGA

as I said chumpy mc chump
sorry chump but obama never went away he still injects himself into today's political situations
Deal with it

BBBBBBUUUUUTTTT OBAMA

Rent free in your empty head.

MAGA

as I said chumpy mc chump
sorry chump but obama never went away he still injects himself into today's political situations
Deal with it

BBBBBBUUUUUTTTT OBAMA

MAGA

 

[kaz]

How is it you only ever mention the Trump part of that?

If I lived in a swing state, I would vote for Biden because Trump's combination of corruption and ignorance is too great to ignore. Normally, choosing between a Republican or Democrat is a "choice" between JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs.

So you're going to vote for the Communist Party candidate? Oh wait, that's Biden ...

Seriously, while your hero plays pick up the soap bar in the shower with Putin ?

2018 called, they want their witch hunt back.

You need to update your DNC talking points, Mueller said you're lying

Trump officials altered intel to downplay threats from Russia, White supremacists, DHS whistleblower says

The complaint alleged that top Trump administration brass engaged in "a pattern of abuse of authority, attempted censorship of intelligence analysis and improper administration of an intelligence program."

www.cnbc.com

You realize all that says is there is an accusation by a Never Trumper, no?

Be honest, would it bother you one bit if everything in it is true? I have my doubts.

I don't answer hypotheticals. It's a rat hole. Which of course is why you want to go there

It’s far from a hypothetical. It’s a very real accusation. Your attempt to deny it could be true by calling him a never Trumper is step one in the Trump defense handbook. Step two is admit it might be true but explain that it’s not illegal if it’s true. Step three is to proclaim that it is true and was the right thing to do and Trump is a genius for doing so.

So just to be clear then, since you're claiming an accusation against a Republican is fact like a conviction, that's your standard for Democrats, right? Accusation = guilt? Or are you a flaming hypocrite? Those are the choices, you may now coward off and ignore the question

I said nothing of the sort and nothing in my statements implied that. This is a weak attempt to deflect the topic rather than discuss it. This is part of the Trump defense book as well, whenever it’s an accusation against Trump, rely on “innocent until proven guilty”, meanwhile obstruct all attempts to get to the truth.

I just don’t accept lazy excuses to ignore credible accusations from serious people.

Gotcha. So an accusation is not like a conviction, only a "very credible" accusation is the same as a conviction. Thanks for clarifying.

[serious]

My serious answer is that you will not acknowledge any point for Trump and you will believe any and all accusations against him. So I can't take you seriously. Why argue with someone who tells you it's raining out side whether it is or not?

Since you have zero intellectual honesty, stop pretending you would be treated as if you do. You're just Googling for anything that serves your selfish interest and you ignore anything that doesn't. And you won't acknoweldge anything against the Democrats, even them speaking themselves on video tape.

I can discuss this with someone who does have intellectual honesty. But unlike you they would have to question accusations against Trump as well as consider accusations against Democrats.

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[/serious]

How is it you only ever mention the Trump part of that?

If I lived in a swing state, I would vote for Biden because Trump's combination of corruption and ignorance is too great to ignore. Normally, choosing between a Republican or Democrat is a "choice" between JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs.

So you're going to vote for the Communist Party candidate? Oh wait, that's Biden ...

Seriously, while your hero plays pick up the soap bar in the shower with Putin ?

2018 called, they want their witch hunt back.

You need to update your DNC talking points, Mueller said you're lying

Trump officials altered intel to downplay threats from Russia, White supremacists, DHS whistleblower says

The complaint alleged that top Trump administration brass engaged in "a pattern of abuse of authority, attempted censorship of intelligence analysis and improper administration of an intelligence program."

www.cnbc.com

You realize all that says is there is an accusation by a Never Trumper, no?

Be honest, would it bother you one bit if everything in it is true? I have my doubts.

I don't answer hypotheticals. It's a rat hole. Which of course is why you want to go there

It’s far from a hypothetical. It’s a very real accusation. Your attempt to deny it could be true by calling him a never Trumper is step one in the Trump defense handbook. Step two is admit it might be true but explain that it’s not illegal if it’s true. Step three is to proclaim that it is true and was the right thing to do and Trump is a genius for doing so.

So just to be clear then, since you're claiming an accusation against a Republican is fact like a conviction, that's your standard for Democrats, right? Accusation = guilt? Or are you a flaming hypocrite? Those are the choices, you may now coward off and ignore the question

I said nothing of the sort and nothing in my statements implied that. This is a weak attempt to deflect the topic rather than discuss it. This is part of the Trump defense book as well, whenever it’s an accusation against Trump, rely on “innocent until proven guilty”, meanwhile obstruct all attempts to get to the truth.

I just don’t accept lazy excuses to ignore credible accusations from serious people.

Gotcha. So an accusation is not like a conviction, only a "very credible" accusation is the same as a conviction. Thanks for clarifying.

[serious]

My serious answer is that you will not acknowledge any point for Trump and you will believe any and all accusations against him. So I can't take you seriously. Why argue with someone who tells you it's raining out side whether it is or not?

Since you have zero intellectual honesty, stop pretending you would be treated as if you do. You're just Googling for anything that serves your selfish interest and you ignore anything that doesn't. And you won't acknoweldge anything against the Democrats, even them speaking themselves on video tape.

I can discuss this with someone who does have intellectual honesty. But unlike you they would have to question accusations against Trump as well as consider accusations against Democrats.

Word

[/serious]

It's a very credible accusation because it comes from someone with known exposure to the topic who had a very high level job in the DHS. It's not some random poster on a blog, or something. It's not coming from Kremlin linked sources. It's from our own government. These are precisely the accusations we should be listening to.

As for your attempt at a serious answer, this is little more than cowardice. You can't take me seriously because you aren't interested in having your notions challenged. Your accusations against me are false, and fabricated only so you have an excuse to protect yourself from having to leave the bubble.

colfax: No I'm not, kaz, YOU ARE! Bam!

Another leftist playgrounder.

There have been ENDLESS deep State lies about Trump. That you believe it by accusation shows yet again what a brainless, partisan hack you are. You believe what you want to be true.

What about 29 Mueller investigors "accidentally" (sic) wiping their phones? Coincidence, huh? Think they should do jail time for impeding an investigation? You don't, do you? Be honest

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Medical examiners from Colorado to Michigan use the same definition. In Macomb and Oakland counties in Michigan, where most of the deaths in that state occurred, medical examiners classify any death as a coronavirus death when the postmortem test is positive. Even people who died in suicides and automobile accidents meet that definition.

Medical examiners only examine people who have an unknown or disputed cause of death. Someone who came in from an auto crash and died of his injuries would NOT be sent to the medical examiner.

Someone who got run over by a truck, would not be sent to the medical examiner.

Quincy is a busy man, they don't bother him unless they don't know the cause of death.

It’s not necessarily that the cases are going to the medical examiner for postmortems, it’s that the medical examiner collects the data for death certificates.

The death certificate will list the most proximate cause of death and then any contributing factors. Someone who died in a car accident isn’t going to have COVID as a contributing cause. The instances that have been discovered of something like this happen were errors, which if you have hundreds of thousands of data point, a few are always going to be in error.

You know, my room mate died at the end of June of this year, right when the pandemic was raging at some of it's worst. And, she didn't die because of COVID, she died because she had a heart condition, COPD, diabetes and was overweight. What was the cause of death on her death certificate? They said she died from heart failure due to her heart condition and COPD. Nothing was mentioned about COVID.

I believe you're a lying sack of shit as usual



U.S. COVID-19 Death Toll Is Inflated
COMMENTARY
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By Timothy Allen & John R. Lott Jr.
May 29, 2020
(AP Photo/Mark Lennihan)
The latest Centers for Disease Control data show that the COVID-19 fatality rate is 0.26% -- four times higher than the worst rate for the seasonal flu over the past decade. That is dramatically lower than the World Health Organization’s estimate of 3.4% and Dr. Anthony Fauci’s initial guess of about 2%.
When the CDC projected 1.7 million deaths back in March, it used an estimated death rate of 0.8%. Imperial College’s estimate of 2.2 million deaths assumed a rate of 0.9%. The fear generated by the projections drives the public policy debate. The Washington Post headline, “As deaths mount, Trump tries to convince Americans it’s safe to inch back to normal,” were part of a steady diet of such fare. When Georgia opened up over a month ago, the Post warned: “Georgia leads the race to become America’s No. 1 Death Destination.”


The CDC currently puts the number of confirmed deaths at about 100,000. But even the “best estimate” 0.26% fatality rate is a significant overestimate because of how the CDC is counting deaths. The actual rate is fairly close to a recent bad year for the seasonal flu. And though public health officials have been transparent about how they are counting coronavirus deaths, the implications for calculating the infection fatality rate are not appreciated.
“The case definition is very simplistic,” Dr. Ngozi Ezike, director of Illinois Department of Public Health, explains. “It means, at the time of death, it was a COVID positive diagnosis. That means, that if you were in hospice and had already been given a few weeks to live, and then you also were found to have COVID, that would be counted as a COVID death. It means, technically even if you died of [a] clear alternative cause, but you had COVID at the same time, it’s still listed as a COVID death.”
Medical examiners from Colorado to Michigan use the same definition. In Macomb and Oakland counties in Michigan, where most of the deaths in that state occurred, medical examiners classify any death as a coronavirus death when the postmortem test is positive. Even people who died in suicides and automobile accidents meet that definition.

Such expansive definitions are not due to rogue public health officials. The rules direct them to do this. “If someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that as a COVID-19 death,” White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx recently noted.

Beyond including people with the virus who clearly didn’t die from it, the numbers are inflated by counting people who don’t even have the virus. New York has classified many cases as coronavirus deaths even when postmortem tests have been negative. The diagnosis can be based on symptoms, even though the symptoms are often similar to those of the seasonal flu.
The Centers for Disease Control guidance explicitly acknowledges the uncertainty that doctors can face when identifying the cause of death. When coronavirus cases are “suspected,” the agency counsels doctors that “it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate.” This advice has produced a predictable inflation in the numbers. When New York City’s death toll rose above 10,000 on April 21, the New York Times reported that the city included “3,700 additional people who were presumed to have died of the coronavirus but had never tested positive” – more than a 50% increase in the number of cases.
Nor can this be explained by false-negative results in the tests. For the five most commonly used tests, the least reliable test still scored a 96% accuracy rate in laboratory settings. Some doctors report feeling pressure from hospitals to list deaths as being due to the coronavirus, even when the doctors don’t believe that is the case “to make it look a little bit worse than it is.” That is pressure they say they never previously faced in reporting deaths from the seasonal flu.

There are financial incentives that might make a difference for hospitals and doctors. The CARES Act adds a 20% premium for COVID-19 Medicare patients. Birx and others are also concerned that the CDC’s “antiquated” accounting system is double-counting cases and inflating mortality and case counts “by as much as 25%.” When all these anomalies are added up, it becomes apparent that we simply don’t have an accurate death toll from this new coronavirus. But it seems clear that the correct rate is just a little worse than the rate for the 2017-2018 flu.
Meanwhile, the Washington Post, New York Times, and others claim that we are undercounting the true number of deaths. They reach that conclusion by showing that the total number of deaths from all causes is about 30% greater than we would typically expect from March through early May. They then conclude that the excess is due to deaths not being accurately labeled as due to the coronavirus.
But these are not normal times. Many people with heart problems aren’t going to the hospital for fear of the virus. Delaying cancer surgeries and other serious medical treatments for months has real impacts on life expectancies. The stress of the situation is almost certainly increasing suicides and other illnesses. Which is not to minimize the threat: Even if the true death toll is now closer to 50,000 than 100,000, this pandemic is a big deal. But we need some perspective. During the 2017-18 flu season, 61,000 Americans died from the flu.
Public health officials need to face a lot of serious questions about how they counted Coronavirus deaths. We don’t have all the answers yet, but it’s clear the inflated numbers have helped mislead people into a state of alarmism.

U.S. COVID-19 Death Toll Is Inflated | RealClearPolitics

The latest Centers for Disease Control data show that the COVID-19 fatality rate is 0.26% -- four times higher than the worst rate for the seasonal flu over the past decade. That is dramatically...

www.realclearpolitics.com

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your article is 'commentary' ... which is opinion. if one wants to look legit & knowledgeable on this here message board ... then one must NEVER post anything to prove one's stance using articles that a university would NEVER accept as proper sourcing such as links to wiki, opinions, or blogs.

you = fail.

IT'S DATA COLLECTED FROM ALL SOURCES what's your point?

 

[kaz]

As I have written Trump lied and people died. It is as clear as day now that he was lying the whole time he was downplaying Covid. The two-faced President was telling Woodward just how dangerous it was while telling the people it will magically disappear.

How many people died because of Trump's lies. 20,000..50.,000..120,000?

Trump's apologists will make fools of themselves once arguing that Trump did not say or mean what he obviously said and meant.

Just when you think Trump has hit bottom..he once again proves us wrong by reaching even greater depths of depravity.

He is responsible for the deaths and the dying from this virus, and the economy.

Trump is also responsible for your acne and the mole in your back yard.

Cut the stupid shit. The Chinese are responsible for the people dying. Of course Joe didn't need to try to help them by undercutting the President while he tried to deal with it.

Now Joe's advertising his Biden virus plan ... to do what Trump is doing now ...

Why can’t you guys ever hold Trump responsible for anything?

why do you attack him for everything he does???

he tried to keep the people calm,,,whats wrong about that???

Calm? Like he does at his hate rallies? Do you mean like that?

dont change the subject,,,

So not calm thank you.

what I dont get is why are dems trying so hard to get trump re-elected???

There is nothing that can be said to many Trump supporters to change their minds. They are so encapsulated in Trump’s world, it would break their brains to come to terms with reality.

Is that what you are doing in here? Trying to change minds? And to do that you hurl insults, and slurs at the people you disagree with to accomplish that? Hmmm....I actually think it would "break the brains" of liberals like yourself to admit that Trump has done anything positive....even though you know he has.

How can I change your mind? We’d have to live in the same reality first.

yours is the alternate reality,,,,

Thing is, Trump isn’t actually dumb, but he thinks you are. Private Trump agrees with me about the seriousness of coronavirus, but it’s better for him if he keeps you guys in his alternate reality where it’s no big deal.

youre just a sad excuse for a moron,,,

After hearing Woodward’s tapes, we both know I’m proven to be correct.

Trump doesn’t tell you the truth, he saves that for his elitist friends.

whats sad is you think politician ever tells the whole truth,,,

thats why I always base my opinion on their actions not words,,,

and since his actions have caused you dems to lose your friggin minds hes got to be doing something right,,,

YOU CAN’T MAKE IT UP: Wokes are cancelling the Nobel PEACE Prize because Trump was nominated.

People joked on Twitter after Trump was nominated (twice) for a Nobel Peace Prize that the award would now have to be cancelled. But they were only half-joking then, and now it’s an actual re…

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That’s a really strange metric for determining whether he’s doing something right.

By that logic, Trump could pull down his pants and take a dump on the resolute desk and the left would lose their minds and therefore you’d love him for it.

It's actually pretty hysterical how well Trump plays and triggers you people. He's really funny

He is an excellent troll, that's for sure. Why that's considered an admirable quality on your part, I have no idea.

You don't see it because he's mocking you. Democrats have been rabidly hate filled for the entire 40 years that I've followed politics. Now you're getting it back and you don't like it. Of course you don't. So now that you have that realization, STOP DOING IT