Trump Says He Supports Slashing Social Security From A ‘Moral Standpoint’

[Shrimpbox]

Why is lying the only recourse for democratic operatives. This is a fabrication of monumental proportions. There is a growing fear in dem circles that the gig is up and America is rising up against the lying, Alinsky, unpatriotic, socialist radicals. They will sell their momma out to maintain power. Kamikazee idealogues.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You DO realize that SS was NEVER supposed to be a long-term program, that the President who signed it warned that if allowed to be made permanent politicians would use it as a slush fund / mis-use it, right?!

SS hasn't been misused.

Exactly as warned, it has become a slush fund. What was created for Amerucan citizens has been opened to illegals. It is now a govt-Run PONZI scheme. My parents' money is gone. My kids' SS taxes are going to pay for my parents' SS checks and for those of illegals.

If it has not been misused and is not a ponzi scheme then it should be possible to stop the program and give everyone who has paid in a check for the amount they have paid in...and interest on their money. It does not have enough money in the program to do so.

To be precise there is no money in the program or fund at all.

Trump is right. It's a complete disaster of enslaving your children. Just a brilliant plan all around to take money from the young and poor to the old and rich. Brilliant...

That is a lie. That's like saying every US treasury bill or bond is worthless.

 

[Norman]

You DO realize that SS was NEVER supposed to be a long-term program, that the President who signed it warned that if allowed to be made permanent politicians would use it as a slush fund / mis-use it, right?!

SS hasn't been misused.

It funded the democrats Vietnam war.

I know the lie you're trying to propagate.

SS invests in US bonds. Just like any other US creditor.

Yes, and I invest my retirement money in my own bonds too... then go on a spending spree and everything is fine. I have my own bond!

You idiot, those bonds funded the war, and now your retirement money is gone.

It really is difficult to come by people as idiotic as NYCarbineer. Truly the special kind...

 

[NYcarbineer]

You DO realize that SS was NEVER supposed to be a long-term program, that the President who signed it warned that if allowed to be made permanent politicians would use it as a slush fund / mis-use it, right?!

SS hasn't been misused.

It funded the democrats Vietnam war.

The Vietnam war was paid off with a 10% surtax on income, the way wars should be paid for.

Republican wars, not paid for, are why we have the fiscal mess we have now.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You DO realize that SS was NEVER supposed to be a long-term program, that the President who signed it warned that if allowed to be made permanent politicians would use it as a slush fund / mis-use it, right?!

SS hasn't been misused.

It funded the democrats Vietnam war.

I know the lie you're trying to propagate.

SS invests in US bonds. Just like any other US creditor.

Yes, and I invest my retirement money in my own bonds too... then go on a spending spree and everything is fine. I have my own bond!

You idiot, those bonds funded the war, and now your retirement money is gone.

It really is difficult to come by people as idiotic as NYCarbineer. Truly the special kind...

So you think the US is going to default on its debt? It will thus default on what it owes you too.

 

[Norman]

You DO realize that SS was NEVER supposed to be a long-term program, that the President who signed it warned that if allowed to be made permanent politicians would use it as a slush fund / mis-use it, right?!

SS hasn't been misused.

It funded the democrats Vietnam war.

The Vietnam war was paid off with a 10% surtax on income, the way wars should be paid for.

Republican wars, not paid for, are why we have the fiscal mess we have now.

Partly the government was paid for by the debt it took, from the SS fund. That money is GONE.

 

[Norman]

You DO realize that SS was NEVER supposed to be a long-term program, that the President who signed it warned that if allowed to be made permanent politicians would use it as a slush fund / mis-use it, right?!

SS hasn't been misused.

It funded the democrats Vietnam war.

I know the lie you're trying to propagate.

SS invests in US bonds. Just like any other US creditor.

Yes, and I invest my retirement money in my own bonds too... then go on a spending spree and everything is fine. I have my own bond!

You idiot, those bonds funded the war, and now your retirement money is gone.

It really is difficult to come by people as idiotic as NYCarbineer. Truly the special kind...

So you think the US is going to default on its debt? It will thus default on what it owes you too.

And what relevance has this in any way to the message? The money is gone regardless.

If the government doesn't default, the children will have to be taxed real good. This is a wet dream for a regressive akin to you, but for everyone else, it's a complete disaster.

 

[NYcarbineer]

SS hasn't been misused.

It funded the democrats Vietnam war.

I know the lie you're trying to propagate.

SS invests in US bonds. Just like any other US creditor.

Yes, and I invest my retirement money in my own bonds too... then go on a spending spree and everything is fine. I have my own bond!

You idiot, those bonds funded the war, and now your retirement money is gone.

It really is difficult to come by people as idiotic as NYCarbineer. Truly the special kind...

So you think the US is going to default on its debt? It will thus default on what it owes you too.

And what relevance has this in any way to the message? The money is gone regardless.

If the government doesn't default, the children will have to be taxed real good. This is a wet dream for a regressive akin to you, but for everyone else, it's a complete disaster.

When you mortgage a house, do you not spend the money ON the house?

 

[tyroneweaver]

It funded the democrats Vietnam war.

I know the lie you're trying to propagate.

SS invests in US bonds. Just like any other US creditor.

Yes, and I invest my retirement money in my own bonds too... then go on a spending spree and everything is fine. I have my own bond!

You idiot, those bonds funded the war, and now your retirement money is gone.

It really is difficult to come by people as idiotic as NYCarbineer. Truly the special kind...

So you think the US is going to default on its debt? It will thus default on what it owes you too.

And what relevance has this in any way to the message? The money is gone regardless.

If the government doesn't default, the children will have to be taxed real good. This is a wet dream for a regressive akin to you, but for everyone else, it's a complete disaster.

When you mortgage a house, do you not spend the money ON the house?

I would imagine the answer to that question is 50/50 so what's your point?

 

[Norman]

It funded the democrats Vietnam war.

I know the lie you're trying to propagate.

SS invests in US bonds. Just like any other US creditor.

Yes, and I invest my retirement money in my own bonds too... then go on a spending spree and everything is fine. I have my own bond!

You idiot, those bonds funded the war, and now your retirement money is gone.

It really is difficult to come by people as idiotic as NYCarbineer. Truly the special kind...

So you think the US is going to default on its debt? It will thus default on what it owes you too.

And what relevance has this in any way to the message? The money is gone regardless.

If the government doesn't default, the children will have to be taxed real good. This is a wet dream for a regressive akin to you, but for everyone else, it's a complete disaster.

When you mortgage a house, do you not spend the money ON the house?

The bank is in very big mess when the borrower has shat over all the house, and mails in the keys. The money the SS invested was not well allocated, or in fact, invested at all. I am sure the kids will be very happy to know how many were killed in VIetnam and how many welfare idiots were supported. That surely will provide the old people with their retirement money.

The young people will have to pay for the complete mess of a program. There is nothing left, only a bunch of promises to tax, which admittedly your Marxist mouth waters over for sure. Only an insane person such as yourself could think the program was a great idea.

 

[OldLady]

For millions of retirees who get most of their income and worked all their lives and depend on SS this must be a wake up call,even for the older rightwing supporters of trump

Now watch the attacks on the stories sources instead of the content

'Social Security has been called the third rail of American politics: Touch it and you die. And if that is indeed the case, then Donald Trump might want to start picking out a nice casket.

Bloomberg is reporting that when the GOP nominee met with Paul Ryan on May 12, he told the House Speaker that he does indeed favor cutting Social Security, but he’s afraid to say so publicly because it would doom his chances in November. Bloomberg cites an unnamed source who was in the room when the meeting was held.'


According to the source, Trump told Ryan:

“From a moral standpoint, I believe in it. But you also have to get elected. And there’s no way a Republican is going to beat a Democrat when the Republican is saying, ‘We’re going to cut your Social Security’


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If major changes, including cuts to SS, aren't made, Social Security is going to run out of money, anyway? Right? So if anyone tackles it, they're dead, but if they don't, Social Security dies. Nice.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I know the lie you're trying to propagate.

SS invests in US bonds. Just like any other US creditor.

Yes, and I invest my retirement money in my own bonds too... then go on a spending spree and everything is fine. I have my own bond!

You idiot, those bonds funded the war, and now your retirement money is gone.

It really is difficult to come by people as idiotic as NYCarbineer. Truly the special kind...

So you think the US is going to default on its debt? It will thus default on what it owes you too.

And what relevance has this in any way to the message? The money is gone regardless.

If the government doesn't default, the children will have to be taxed real good. This is a wet dream for a regressive akin to you, but for everyone else, it's a complete disaster.

When you mortgage a house, do you not spend the money ON the house?

I would imagine the answer to that question is 50/50 so what's your point?

People here are saying that the money borrowed from SS is GONE. Of course it's GONE. It's gone like the money you borrowed to buy your house, or your car, or the money you borrowed on your credit card this month.

Yes the money itself is gone, it's been replaced by an obligation to repay the amount plus interest.

Don't you people have any clue how borrowing money works? Jesus!

 

[NYcarbineer]

For millions of retirees who get most of their income and worked all their lives and depend on SS this must be a wake up call,even for the older rightwing supporters of trump

Now watch the attacks on the stories sources instead of the content

'Social Security has been called the third rail of American politics: Touch it and you die. And if that is indeed the case, then Donald Trump might want to start picking out a nice casket.

Bloomberg is reporting that when the GOP nominee met with Paul Ryan on May 12, he told the House Speaker that he does indeed favor cutting Social Security, but he’s afraid to say so publicly because it would doom his chances in November. Bloomberg cites an unnamed source who was in the room when the meeting was held.'


According to the source, Trump told Ryan:

“From a moral standpoint, I believe in it. But you also have to get elected. And there’s no way a Republican is going to beat a Democrat when the Republican is saying, ‘We’re going to cut your Social Security’


Trump Says He Supports Slashing Social Security From A 'Moral Standpoint'

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A Trump presidency would threaten programs like Social Security. Here's how we know.

The Hidden Social Security Bombshell in Donald Trump's Debt Proposal -- The Motley Fool

If major changes, including cuts to SS, aren't made, Social Security is going to run out of money, anyway? Right? So if anyone tackles it, they're dead, but if they don't, Social Security dies. Nice.

Major changes aren't needed.

 

[Norman]

Yes, and I invest my retirement money in my own bonds too... then go on a spending spree and everything is fine. I have my own bond!

You idiot, those bonds funded the war, and now your retirement money is gone.

It really is difficult to come by people as idiotic as NYCarbineer. Truly the special kind...

So you think the US is going to default on its debt? It will thus default on what it owes you too.

And what relevance has this in any way to the message? The money is gone regardless.

If the government doesn't default, the children will have to be taxed real good. This is a wet dream for a regressive akin to you, but for everyone else, it's a complete disaster.

When you mortgage a house, do you not spend the money ON the house?

I would imagine the answer to that question is 50/50 so what's your point?

People here are saying that the money borrowed from SS is GONE. Of course it's GONE. It's gone like the money you borrowed to buy your house, or your car, or the money you borrowed on your credit card this month.

Yes the money itself is gone, it's been replaced by an obligation to repay the amount plus interest.

Don't you people have any clue how borrowing money works? Jesus!

I don't think I can borrow money from MYSELF to buy a house. I certainly wouldn't expect to be paid back with interest if such arrangement was made. That is completely retarded. All of the promises paid will have to be taxed from the young.

Sometimes I question whether these people have even one brain cell.

 

[owebo]

Yes, and I invest my retirement money in my own bonds too... then go on a spending spree and everything is fine. I have my own bond!

You idiot, those bonds funded the war, and now your retirement money is gone.

It really is difficult to come by people as idiotic as NYCarbineer. Truly the special kind...

So you think the US is going to default on its debt? It will thus default on what it owes you too.

And what relevance has this in any way to the message? The money is gone regardless.

If the government doesn't default, the children will have to be taxed real good. This is a wet dream for a regressive akin to you, but for everyone else, it's a complete disaster.

When you mortgage a house, do you not spend the money ON the house?

I would imagine the answer to that question is 50/50 so what's your point?

People here are saying that the money borrowed from SS is GONE. Of course it's GONE. It's gone like the money you borrowed to buy your house, or your car, or the money you borrowed on your credit card this month.

Yes the money itself is gone, it's been replaced by an obligation to repay the amount plus interest.

Don't you people have any clue how borrowing money works? Jesus!

So Clinton's three lock box was a lie?

 

[Katzndogz]

Lol @ unnamed source. And who here believes Trump is scared to say anything in public?

The Democrat strategy is to flood the public with hundreds of fake stories.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

For millions of retirees who get most of their income and worked all their lives and depend on SS this must be a wake up call,even for the older rightwing supporters of trump

Now watch the attacks on the stories sources instead of the content

'Social Security has been called the third rail of American politics: Touch it and you die. And if that is indeed the case, then Donald Trump might want to start picking out a nice casket.

Bloomberg is reporting that when the GOP nominee met with Paul Ryan on May 12, he told the House Speaker that he does indeed favor cutting Social Security, but he’s afraid to say so publicly because it would doom his chances in November. Bloomberg cites an unnamed source who was in the room when the meeting was held.'


According to the source, Trump told Ryan:

“From a moral standpoint, I believe in it. But you also have to get elected. And there’s no way a Republican is going to beat a Democrat when the Republican is saying, ‘We’re going to cut your Social Security’


Trump Says He Supports Slashing Social Security From A 'Moral Standpoint'

REVEALED: GOP Insider Just Leaked Donald Trump's Secret Plan To Slash Social Security

Trump Campaign: Maybe We’ll Cut Social Security After All

Surprise, Surprise. Trump's Been Lying About His Opposition To Cutting Social Security

A Trump presidency would threaten programs like Social Security. Here's how we know.

The Hidden Social Security Bombshell in Donald Trump's Debt Proposal -- The Motley Fool

Most on the reckless, irresponsible right have been trying to ‘get rid’ of Social Security ever since the program was ruled Constitutional by the Supreme Court.

This is particularly idiotic given the Great Recession, when millions of Americans lost their savings through no fault of their own, and where Social Security will be their primary source of income when they can no longer work.

That this is even being made an ‘issue’ illustrates just how reprehensible most conservatives are.

 

[georgephillip]

For millions of retirees who get most of their income and worked all their lives and depend on SS this must be a wake up call,even for the older rightwing supporters of trump

Now watch the attacks on the stories sources instead of the content

'Social Security has been called the third rail of American politics: Touch it and you die. And if that is indeed the case, then Donald Trump might want to start picking out a nice casket.

Bloomberg is reporting that when the GOP nominee met with Paul Ryan on May 12, he told the House Speaker that he does indeed favor cutting Social Security, but he’s afraid to say so publicly because it would doom his chances in November. Bloomberg cites an unnamed source who was in the room when the meeting was held.'


According to the source, Trump told Ryan:

“From a moral standpoint, I believe in it. But you also have to get elected. And there’s no way a Republican is going to beat a Democrat when the Republican is saying, ‘We’re going to cut your Social Security’


Trump Says He Supports Slashing Social Security From A 'Moral Standpoint'

REVEALED: GOP Insider Just Leaked Donald Trump's Secret Plan To Slash Social Security

Trump Campaign: Maybe We’ll Cut Social Security After All

Surprise, Surprise. Trump's Been Lying About His Opposition To Cutting Social Security

A Trump presidency would threaten programs like Social Security. Here's how we know.

The Hidden Social Security Bombshell in Donald Trump's Debt Proposal -- The Motley Fool

From your link:

"Alex Lawson, executive director of Social Security Works, believes the real intent of Trump is the same as that of most Republicans: Drastically cutting benefits while pretending to support the program:

“'It is really clear: Donald Trump would 100 percent go along with the Republican donor class position of cutting Social Security. He openly says he will lie to the people about it because he knows that the people are against it.'

“'In his eyes the "moral" thing to do is to steal people’s hard-earned benefits and not talk about it.'”

"As we have seen repeatedly during the 2016 campaign, Trump lies about everything, reverses his positions on issues by the hour, and often seems to be utterly lost when asked for specifics about various policy questions. The man is an idiot. He is also a danger to the very essence of American democracy."

 

[Norman]

So you think the US is going to default on its debt? It will thus default on what it owes you too.

And what relevance has this in any way to the message? The money is gone regardless.

If the government doesn't default, the children will have to be taxed real good. This is a wet dream for a regressive akin to you, but for everyone else, it's a complete disaster.

When you mortgage a house, do you not spend the money ON the house?

I would imagine the answer to that question is 50/50 so what's your point?

People here are saying that the money borrowed from SS is GONE. Of course it's GONE. It's gone like the money you borrowed to buy your house, or your car, or the money you borrowed on your credit card this month.

Yes the money itself is gone, it's been replaced by an obligation to repay the amount plus interest.

Don't you people have any clue how borrowing money works? Jesus!

So Clinton's three lock box was a lie?

The way finance and money works for NYCarbineer/regressives is the following:

1. Write yourself a loan from your retirement fund
2. Go buy a million dollar vacation trip with the "borrowed" money.
3. Pretend your retirement fund is fine, since after all you have this loan from yourself

Enron would have liked to hire him for the bookkeeper's role, I am sure.

 

[Kondor3]

Is this true?

Does Donald Trump support throttling back or eliminating Social Security?

If 'No', then, this thread is pointless.

If 'Yes', then, this just adds "Pressing Reason No. X" to the long list of reasons why I cannot bring myself to vote for Attila the Hun.