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Trump stops ICE raids

In what world does treating people like garbage and ripping their children away from them make Trump not a horrible man. Rationalize all you want but on some level you know it's wrong. Hitler started small and slow walked his way all the way to death camps. The people who saw it all coming were the first to go.
They left their other children behind.
No one South of the Border has only 2 or 3 children.
A rationalization based on a stereotype to justify fascistic policy. Typical.
Based on what I’ve been told by my relatives and co-workers from South of the Border.
Next...

You do not have to look for justifications unless you are doing bad things. .
There are no police South of the Border.
Every family has many children to protect themselves.
That’s why they want to get out of there.
No, the reason they want to get out of there is because of the problems the US created down there. It's all on the U.S. CIA in South America | Geopolitical Monitor
 
Barney has always been a 'receiver' not a 'pitcher'.
Some DEM candidate ought ask Pete Buttplug if he spits or swallows.
President Trump is playing Nancy and Chuckles the clown for the dunces they are.
When two weeks have passed and Nancy and Chuckles the clown have refused to help solve the immigration crisis he'll be able to tell the potential voters: "See. I tried and the DEMs refused to even discuss the crisis.
Now I'm doing exactly what the law requires. These people ICE are kicking out of the country have been in front of a judge and they have been deemed to be in America illegally".
I'm amused that you did everything except rebut the insinuation that Trump can, literally, do no wrong..in the eyes of his most rabid supporters.

BTW..my two cents...there is no real 'crisis' in immigration. Just as there is no gun control 'crisis' and no abortion 'crisis'.

All manufactured bs designed to manipulate voters.
The people on the border say otherwise.
And the victims of negro on negro gun violence in Chicagoland and other DEM controlled cities say otherwise.
I'm still looking for that elusive Republican controlled city..I bet it's so much better. ROTF!
Do you think that victim's of white on white gun violence might have an opinion as well?
I can see it clearly. Someone comes into his office and says we should do this or maybe he say's we should do this to someone. The two are in agreement and it now a policy

Eventually others will be told this and I can imagine that he never told ICE that they would be doing this or talk with others about legal or political ramifications.

Once they find out through a tweet or media starts asking for information then phase 2 starts

Trump talking to others about it.
You could be right. Maybe Trump just thinks this will give him some leverage in Making A Deal with those Democratic mayors who won't give ICE the time of day. Actually, that is not what a "sanctuary city" does, but the Trump admirers don't know that and no matter how many times you tell them, they refuse to listen, so.....

If there are illegals out there with signed deportation orders, I should think it would be pretty easy (once they're found) to put them on a bus for home. No? Enforcing the law as a "threat?" That sounds weird.



That's the catch. Signed deportation orders.

The 14th amendment requires that everyone has due process or their day in court. For that to happen trump will have to round millions up and put them in some sort of detention facility. We don't have enough of those.

For trump to round up that many undocumented people, there will be millions of their children who were born here in the US and are citizens of this nation. If you take their parents from the children, the government is obligated to find safe housing for them. We don't have enough foster homes now for all the children who have already been taken from their parents for other reasons. We don't have the facilities for these US citizens who the government has take their parents from them.

These US citizens who are aren't adults have rights. They can't be kicked out of the nation. They are citizens and it would be a violation of their 14th Amendment liberty rights.

Or maybe we could go back to what the bush boy and Obama did. Allow those people to stay in our nation with monitoring ankle bracelets until their court date. Then deport them or allow them to stay depending on the ruling. When that was done there was something like a 90% success rate.
The 14th can be interpreted in many ways.
I apply it only to citizens.
ROTF! Well..when you get appointed and confirmed to the SCOTUS...then your opinion will have weight. For now, we must go with the current opinion.

BTW..I'm against birthright citizenship..not that my opinion matters either.
I presume you will post such to everyone here who accidentally agrees with you.
 
I'm amused that you did everything except rebut the insinuation that Trump can, literally, do no wrong..in the eyes of his most rabid supporters.

BTW..my two cents...there is no real 'crisis' in immigration. Just as there is no gun control 'crisis' and no abortion 'crisis'.

All manufactured bs designed to manipulate voters.
The people on the border say otherwise.
And the victims of negro on negro gun violence in Chicagoland and other DEM controlled cities say otherwise.
I'm still looking for that elusive Republican controlled city..I bet it's so much better. ROTF!
Do you think that victim's of white on white gun violence might have an opinion as well?
I can see it clearly. Someone comes into his office and says we should do this or maybe he say's we should do this to someone. The two are in agreement and it now a policy

Eventually others will be told this and I can imagine that he never told ICE that they would be doing this or talk with others about legal or political ramifications.

Once they find out through a tweet or media starts asking for information then phase 2 starts

Trump talking to others about it.
You could be right. Maybe Trump just thinks this will give him some leverage in Making A Deal with those Democratic mayors who won't give ICE the time of day. Actually, that is not what a "sanctuary city" does, but the Trump admirers don't know that and no matter how many times you tell them, they refuse to listen, so.....

If there are illegals out there with signed deportation orders, I should think it would be pretty easy (once they're found) to put them on a bus for home. No? Enforcing the law as a "threat?" That sounds weird.



That's the catch. Signed deportation orders.

The 14th amendment requires that everyone has due process or their day in court. For that to happen trump will have to round millions up and put them in some sort of detention facility. We don't have enough of those.

For trump to round up that many undocumented people, there will be millions of their children who were born here in the US and are citizens of this nation. If you take their parents from the children, the government is obligated to find safe housing for them. We don't have enough foster homes now for all the children who have already been taken from their parents for other reasons. We don't have the facilities for these US citizens who the government has take their parents from them.

These US citizens who are aren't adults have rights. They can't be kicked out of the nation. They are citizens and it would be a violation of their 14th Amendment liberty rights.

Or maybe we could go back to what the bush boy and Obama did. Allow those people to stay in our nation with monitoring ankle bracelets until their court date. Then deport them or allow them to stay depending on the ruling. When that was done there was something like a 90% success rate.
The 14th can be interpreted in many ways.
I apply it only to citizens.
ROTF! Well..when you get appointed and confirmed to the SCOTUS...then your opinion will have weight. For now, we must go with the current opinion.

BTW..I'm against birthright citizenship..not that my opinion matters either.
I presume you will post such to everyone here who accidentally agrees with you.
I have, in fact, said so many times.

i disagree about the 14th though..due process is not just a Constitutional right, IMO..but a human one as well.
 
In what world does treating people like garbage and ripping their children away from them make Trump not a horrible man. Rationalize all you want but on some level you know it's wrong. Hitler started small and slow walked his way all the way to death camps. The people who saw it all coming were the first to go.
They left their other children behind.
No one South of the Border has only 2 or 3 children.
A rationalization based on a stereotype to justify fascistic policy. Typical.
Based on what I’ve been told by my relatives and co-workers from South of the Border.
Next...

You do not have to look for justifications unless you are doing bad things. .
There are no police South of the Border.
Every family has many children to protect themselves.
That’s why they want to get out of there.
Irrelevant. Even if that is entirely true it in no way justifies our treatment of children in our custody. Trump even took away their soccer balls, what a fucking dick.
 
The people on the border say otherwise.
And the victims of negro on negro gun violence in Chicagoland and other DEM controlled cities say otherwise.
I'm still looking for that elusive Republican controlled city..I bet it's so much better. ROTF!
Do you think that victim's of white on white gun violence might have an opinion as well?
You could be right. Maybe Trump just thinks this will give him some leverage in Making A Deal with those Democratic mayors who won't give ICE the time of day. Actually, that is not what a "sanctuary city" does, but the Trump admirers don't know that and no matter how many times you tell them, they refuse to listen, so.....

If there are illegals out there with signed deportation orders, I should think it would be pretty easy (once they're found) to put them on a bus for home. No? Enforcing the law as a "threat?" That sounds weird.



That's the catch. Signed deportation orders.

The 14th amendment requires that everyone has due process or their day in court. For that to happen trump will have to round millions up and put them in some sort of detention facility. We don't have enough of those.

For trump to round up that many undocumented people, there will be millions of their children who were born here in the US and are citizens of this nation. If you take their parents from the children, the government is obligated to find safe housing for them. We don't have enough foster homes now for all the children who have already been taken from their parents for other reasons. We don't have the facilities for these US citizens who the government has take their parents from them.

These US citizens who are aren't adults have rights. They can't be kicked out of the nation. They are citizens and it would be a violation of their 14th Amendment liberty rights.

Or maybe we could go back to what the bush boy and Obama did. Allow those people to stay in our nation with monitoring ankle bracelets until their court date. Then deport them or allow them to stay depending on the ruling. When that was done there was something like a 90% success rate.
The 14th can be interpreted in many ways.
I apply it only to citizens.
ROTF! Well..when you get appointed and confirmed to the SCOTUS...then your opinion will have weight. For now, we must go with the current opinion.

BTW..I'm against birthright citizenship..not that my opinion matters either.
I presume you will post such to everyone here who accidentally agrees with you.
I have, in fact, said so many times.

i disagree about the 14th though..due process is not just a Constitutional right, IMO..but a human one as well.
The Constitution takes human rights into account.
It does not take invaders sucking our economy dry into account.
 
They left their other children behind.
No one South of the Border has only 2 or 3 children.
A rationalization based on a stereotype to justify fascistic policy. Typical.
Based on what I’ve been told by my relatives and co-workers from South of the Border.
Next...

You do not have to look for justifications unless you are doing bad things. .
There are no police South of the Border.
Every family has many children to protect themselves.
That’s why they want to get out of there.
Irrelevant. Even if that is entirely true it in no way justifies our treatment of children in our custody. Trump even took away their soccer balls, what a fucking dick.
The fact that we are feeding them more than they get fed at home.
Have you actually been to a holding center?
 
Mr Businessman will not stand for being deprived of His cheap labor!
Exactly! He wants the illegals to do cheap work for him that no one else will.

This whole immigration shit is nothing but a crock. We proved at 3.6% unemployment that illegals were not stealing US jobs and were doing the field jobs US citizens can't do. Who do you think hires the illegals to do jobs sorry ass US citizens won't do? So, tell us again why you hate Brown people? Because they're bringing drugs? Lol! Who buys the drugs? Who can make their own drugs in their own country. We can DA's. Where do the majority of drugs come from? From the points of entry. Beef up security there, and stop pretending the illegals are ruining your lives. We were the one's who ruined theirs; CIA in South America | Geopolitical Monitor
 
And the victims of negro on negro gun violence in Chicagoland and other DEM controlled cities say otherwise.
I'm still looking for that elusive Republican controlled city..I bet it's so much better. ROTF!
Do you think that victim's of white on white gun violence might have an opinion as well?
That's the catch. Signed deportation orders.

The 14th amendment requires that everyone has due process or their day in court. For that to happen trump will have to round millions up and put them in some sort of detention facility. We don't have enough of those.

For trump to round up that many undocumented people, there will be millions of their children who were born here in the US and are citizens of this nation. If you take their parents from the children, the government is obligated to find safe housing for them. We don't have enough foster homes now for all the children who have already been taken from their parents for other reasons. We don't have the facilities for these US citizens who the government has take their parents from them.

These US citizens who are aren't adults have rights. They can't be kicked out of the nation. They are citizens and it would be a violation of their 14th Amendment liberty rights.

Or maybe we could go back to what the bush boy and Obama did. Allow those people to stay in our nation with monitoring ankle bracelets until their court date. Then deport them or allow them to stay depending on the ruling. When that was done there was something like a 90% success rate.
The 14th can be interpreted in many ways.
I apply it only to citizens.
ROTF! Well..when you get appointed and confirmed to the SCOTUS...then your opinion will have weight. For now, we must go with the current opinion.

BTW..I'm against birthright citizenship..not that my opinion matters either.
I presume you will post such to everyone here who accidentally agrees with you.
I have, in fact, said so many times.

i disagree about the 14th though..due process is not just a Constitutional right, IMO..but a human one as well.
The Constitution takes human rights into account.
It does not take invaders sucking our economy dry into account.
Drama much? Our economy is not being such dry...by any measure. [email protected] not seeing it. In the end..I still think this is primarily a cultural issue that has little to do with the publicly stated debate.

I would still deport all illegals..including those from Europe, Japan, China, Canada and Australia.

But here is the thing...It is not going to happen. Not as long as the issue gets people to the ballet box nice and lathered up for their side.
 
A rationalization based on a stereotype to justify fascistic policy. Typical.
Based on what I’ve been told by my relatives and co-workers from South of the Border.
Next...

You do not have to look for justifications unless you are doing bad things. .
There are no police South of the Border.
Every family has many children to protect themselves.
That’s why they want to get out of there.
Irrelevant. Even if that is entirely true it in no way justifies our treatment of children in our custody. Trump even took away their soccer balls, what a fucking dick.
The fact that we are feeding them more than they get fed at home.
Have you actually been to a holding center?
We have food rottenning on the vines in the fields here that we would normally hire them to pick, making a gracious plenty for everyone. The amount of food produced is not subject to rationing here. We just need hard working folks to pick the food.
 
I'm still looking for that elusive Republican controlled city..I bet it's so much better. ROTF!
Do you think that victim's of white on white gun violence might have an opinion as well?
The 14th can be interpreted in many ways.
I apply it only to citizens.
ROTF! Well..when you get appointed and confirmed to the SCOTUS...then your opinion will have weight. For now, we must go with the current opinion.

BTW..I'm against birthright citizenship..not that my opinion matters either.
I presume you will post such to everyone here who accidentally agrees with you.
I have, in fact, said so many times.

i disagree about the 14th though..due process is not just a Constitutional right, IMO..but a human one as well.
The Constitution takes human rights into account.
It does not take invaders sucking our economy dry into account.
Drama much? Our economy is not being such dry...by any measure. [email protected] not seeing it. In the end..I still think this is primarily a cultural issue that has little to do with the publicly stated debate.

I would still deport all illegals..including those from Europe, Japan, China, Canada and Australia.

But here is the thing...It is not going to happen. Not as long as the issue gets people to the ballet box nice and lathered up for their side.
High employment will get people to the ballot box.
 
Trump’s promised ICE raids now canceled due to deep state leaks that would have ‘endangered law enforcement officers’ — guilty party identified?


On Friday, we reported on a leak to the media regarding President Donald Trump’s recent pledge that Immigration and Customs Enforcement raids were set to begin Sunday, targeting illegal aliens who have been ordered out of the country by immigration judges.

We noted that though the president tweeted about the raids, details were still sketchy since he never revealed anything beyond the fact that they were going to happen — at some point.

But as happens so often with this president, someone from the #NeverTrump bureaucracy leaked those details to the media, which, of course, quickly reported them because as we’ve seen with “Spygate,” the Washington establishment media has become nothing more than an organ of the deep state.

We reported:

Now, some have questioned why the president would publicly announce such raids, and the answer is, perhaps our compassionate commander-in-chief wanted to give those in our country illegally a chance to leave on their own.

Fair enough. But beyond that very public warning, the details of ICE operations would necessarily remain covert so that agents could achieve maximum results for their efforts.

But no. Someone within government leaked to The Washington Post details of the raids which, if the Post leak is correct, will begin on Sunday in major U.S. cities the paper named specifically…

The Post went so far as to publish which cities were going to be targeted, who was going to be targeted, and, importantly, when they were going to be targeted:

President Trump has directed U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents to conduct a mass roundup of migrant families that have received deportation orders, an operation that is likely to begin with predawn raids in major U.S. cities on Sunday, according to three U.S. officials with knowledge of the plans.

The “family op,” as it is referred to at ICE and the Department of Homeland Security, is slated to target up to 2,000 families facing deportation orders in as many as 10 U.S. cities, including Houston, Chicago, Miami, Los Angeles and other major immigration destinations, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the law enforcement operation. …

As for whether the leak was punitive against the president, the San Francisco Chronicle provided more evidence. Following the president’s tweet’s ICE wasn’t talking:

ICE officials reportedly told the Washington Post that no operations were planned.

Now we know that, indeed, the leak was punitive because the administration has now canceled the raids out of fear that ICE agents’ lives would be put at risk of they proceeded.

In an interview with Fox News’ Judge Janine Pirro on Saturday, Acting ICE Director Mark Morgan lamented the fact that details of the operation had been leaked while announcing that the raids would be put on hold for the time being.

“The media got ahold of some operational specifics, and they reported it. It’s just egregious, and it puts the lives of the officers and agents at risk,” Morgan said.

“The men and women at ICE are true American heroes. The president recognized that. He postponed it to protect them,” he continued.

For his part, the president announced on Saturday that the raids would be postponed for two weeks, in part due to requests from Democrats including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (which we find difficult to believe).

As for who might have leaked the details, the Washington Examiner reports that five government officials told the outlet they believe acting Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan is the guilty party because he’s been campaigning against them for weeks.

The Examiner noted:

The sources said only a small number of people in the White House, ICE, and DHS were even aware of the plan’s details, including which cities, the date and time, and who would be targeted.

Two officials said the acting secretary, who was promoted internally in April, had fought for months during closed-door discussions with White House officials, the former acting ICE Director Ronald Vitiello, and the new acting ICE Director Mark Morgan against the plan, which they noted was similar to one the Obama administration carried out in 2015.

What’s more, McAleenan went to the border on a government plane last week and was traveling with the Washington Post reporter who broke the story.

“It really jeopardized the safety of law enforcement officers — that’s the part that’s really detrimental,” one official told the Examiner.

If that’s true, we’ll know soon enough because McAleenan will be out. Either way, Trump Derangement Syndrome is so advanced that now government officials would put federal agents’ lives at risk to oppose the president’s agenda. That’s not going to sit well in several quarters.
Why would there be Trump raids to begin with? The illegals are not stealing the jobs. They contribute to the economy by spending money. Why do you hate Brown people?
 
I can see it clearly. Someone comes into his office and says we should do this or maybe he say's we should do this to someone. The two are in agreement and it now a policy

Eventually others will be told this and I can imagine that he never told ICE that they would be doing this or talk with others about legal or political ramifications.

Once they find out through a tweet or media starts asking for information then phase 2 starts

Trump talking to others about it.
You could be right. Maybe Trump just thinks this will give him some leverage in Making A Deal with those Democratic mayors who won't give ICE the time of day. Actually, that is not what a "sanctuary city" does, but the Trump admirers don't know that and no matter how many times you tell them, they refuse to listen, so.....

If there are illegals out there with signed deportation orders, I should think it would be pretty easy (once they're found) to put them on a bus for home. No? Enforcing the law as a "threat?" That sounds weird.



That's the catch. Signed deportation orders.

The 14th amendment requires that everyone has due process or their day in court. For that to happen trump will have to round millions up and put them in some sort of detention facility. We don't have enough of those.

For trump to round up that many undocumented people, there will be millions of their children who were born here in the US and are citizens of this nation. If you take their parents from the children, the government is obligated to find safe housing for them. We don't have enough foster homes now for all the children who have already been taken from their parents for other reasons. We don't have the facilities for these US citizens who the government has take their parents from them.

These US citizens who are aren't adults have rights. They can't be kicked out of the nation. They are citizens and it would be a violation of their 14th Amendment liberty rights.

Or maybe we could go back to what the bush boy and Obama did. Allow those people to stay in our nation with monitoring ankle bracelets until their court date. Then deport them or allow them to stay depending on the ruling. When that was done there was something like a 90% success rate.
The 14th can be interpreted in many ways.
I apply it only to citizens.



The Supreme Court has ruled that our constitution and laws apply to everyone on US soil. Not just those who are citizens. If it didn't then people could come here, commit crimes and never face any justice for their crimes.

So you better be glad that you're wrong about that.

However what part of their children being born here and are US citizens don't you understand?

If the government takes the parents from US citizens the government has the obligation to provide safe housing for those US citizens. The government can't just take the parents then dump the children on the streets with no food or clothing or a roof over their heads.

The 14th Amendment guarantees everyone the right to liberty.

I know you far right radical extremists don't know the real meaning of that word and believes it means you have the right to have any weapons you want to have to compensate for your small penis but you're wrong.

Liberty means the right to live in your native nation without being persecuted by the government or thrown out by the government.

So no US citizen can be thrown out of our nation.

That 14th Amendment gave that US citizen it's citizenship by birth. It doesn't matter where the parents were born and where they have citizenship.

Once you take the parents of those US citizens away, how will the US citizens survive? Do you really expect a baby in diapers to be able to survive without it's parents and no substitute for that parent? Do you really think a baby in diapers should just be dumped on the streets of our nation alone?

You far right radical extremists just don't think things through.
 
Do you think that victim's of white on white gun violence might have an opinion as well?
ROTF! Well..when you get appointed and confirmed to the SCOTUS...then your opinion will have weight. For now, we must go with the current opinion.

BTW..I'm against birthright citizenship..not that my opinion matters either.
I presume you will post such to everyone here who accidentally agrees with you.
I have, in fact, said so many times.

i disagree about the 14th though..due process is not just a Constitutional right, IMO..but a human one as well.
The Constitution takes human rights into account.
It does not take invaders sucking our economy dry into account.
How are they sucking the economy dry again? Aren't they spending money and paying taxes? Aren't they keeping prices of food down because of their cheap labor to pick that food? At 3.6% unemployment, they certainly are not stealing jobs. So what's the beef?
Drama much? Our economy is not being such dry...by any measure. [email protected] not seeing it. In the end..I still think this is primarily a cultural issue that has little to do with the publicly stated debate.

I would still deport all illegals..including those from Europe, Japan, China, Canada and Australia.

But here is the thing...It is not going to happen. Not as long as the issue gets people to the ballet box nice and lathered up for their side.
High employment will get people to the ballot box.
 
Irrelevant. Even if that is entirely true it in no way justifies our treatment of children in our custody. Trump even took away their soccer balls, what a fucking dick.
We aren't running a Club Med for the children of fence climbers. Go cry a river.
 
I can see it clearly. Someone comes into his office and says we should do this or maybe he say's we should do this to someone. The two are in agreement and it now a policy

Eventually others will be told this and I can imagine that he never told ICE that they would be doing this or talk with others about legal or political ramifications.

Once they find out through a tweet or media starts asking for information then phase 2 starts

Trump talking to others about it.
You could be right. Maybe Trump just thinks this will give him some leverage in Making A Deal with those Democratic mayors who won't give ICE the time of day. Actually, that is not what a "sanctuary city" does, but the Trump admirers don't know that and no matter how many times you tell them, they refuse to listen, so.....

If there are illegals out there with signed deportation orders, I should think it would be pretty easy (once they're found) to put them on a bus for home. No? Enforcing the law as a "threat?" That sounds weird.



That's the catch. Signed deportation orders.

The 14th amendment requires that everyone has due process or their day in court. For that to happen trump will have to round millions up and put them in some sort of detention facility. We don't have enough of those.

For trump to round up that many undocumented people, there will be millions of their children who were born here in the US and are citizens of this nation. If you take their parents from the children, the government is obligated to find safe housing for them. We don't have enough foster homes now for all the children who have already been taken from their parents for other reasons. We don't have the facilities for these US citizens who the government has take their parents from them.

These US citizens who are aren't adults have rights. They can't be kicked out of the nation. They are citizens and it would be a violation of their 14th Amendment liberty rights.

Or maybe we could go back to what the bush boy and Obama did. Allow those people to stay in our nation with monitoring ankle bracelets until their court date. Then deport them or allow them to stay depending on the ruling. When that was done there was something like a 90% success rate.
The 14th can be interpreted in many ways.
I apply it only to citizens.
Great! Independent's new expert interpretation of the Constitution. I have a better idea. Let's try and interpret/comprehend words the way the English language taught us to interpret them. Not our new found love for hijacking everything we read.
 
A rationalization based on a stereotype to justify fascistic policy. Typical.
Based on what I’ve been told by my relatives and co-workers from South of the Border.
Next...

You do not have to look for justifications unless you are doing bad things. .
There are no police South of the Border.
Every family has many children to protect themselves.
That’s why they want to get out of there.
Irrelevant. Even if that is entirely true it in no way justifies our treatment of children in our custody. Trump even took away their soccer balls, what a fucking dick.
I say send those kids to democrat pedophile camps which all the dems want with children.
"Democrat pedophiles?" :auiqs.jpg:ttps://www.metro.us/president-trump/donald-and-ivanka-trump-awkward-photos
 

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