Trump would be correct to assert a national emergency in order to build the wall

[sawyerloggingon]

Twice as often in 2018 as in obamas eight years

So? Still a historically slow increase. Do you have anything but whining for Trump?

a dramatic one year increase from eight years of near zero interest rates.

So? We suffered the biggest economic meltdown since the Great Depression. And in part, due to the federal fund rate. So what if they were gun shy about increasing the rate after the last debacle?

Still, it's gone up 1.75 points in 2 years under trump. A small increase. Especially by historical standards.

My question is ... when does the right stop whining every time something doesn't go trump's way?

Fed raised rates from 0.25 to 2.50 while trump was president. Thats a huge increase.

"The Federal Reserve held the target range for the federal funds rate at 2.25-2.5 percent during its first policy meeting of 2019"

United States Fed Funds Rate | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

”Fed raised rates from 0.25 to 2.50 while trump was president.

No, it didn’t. Your own link shows it was at 0.75 when he became president.

“Thats a huge increase.”

No, it’s not. It went up only 1.75 points in two years. I showed you the chart which indicated it went up 4 points in 2 years under Bush. It went up 3 points in 1 year under Clinton. It went up 12 points under Carter.

After nearly eight years of zero interest rates the consistent raising of rates when Trump became president did exactly what the objective was and that was to slow an economy they thought was growing too fast.

"The Fed was forced to cut interest rates to historically low levels during the Great Recession in an effort to revive the U.S. economy and prevent more banks from bankruptcy. It was an unprecedented move, but now the Fed is facing an equally unprecedented task: getting America comfortable with more normal interest rates again after years of easy credit and fast money.

The debate is even more complicated after Trump's tax cuts and the roughly $500 billion Congress plans to spend. All of this additional money is likely to cause faster growth in the coming months, potentially forcing the Fed to raise rates faster."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...te-hike-means-for-you/?utm_term=.ef58bec07fc1

 

[Faun]

So? Still a historically slow increase. Do you have anything but whining for Trump?

a dramatic one year increase from eight years of near zero interest rates.

So? We suffered the biggest economic meltdown since the Great Depression. And in part, due to the federal fund rate. So what if they were gun shy about increasing the rate after the last debacle?

Still, it's gone up 1.75 points in 2 years under trump. A small increase. Especially by historical standards.

My question is ... when does the right stop whining every time something doesn't go trump's way?

Fed raised rates from 0.25 to 2.50 while trump was president. Thats a huge increase.

"The Federal Reserve held the target range for the federal funds rate at 2.25-2.5 percent during its first policy meeting of 2019"

United States Fed Funds Rate | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

”Fed raised rates from 0.25 to 2.50 while trump was president.

No, it didn’t. Your own link shows it was at 0.75 when he became president.

“Thats a huge increase.”

No, it’s not. It went up only 1.75 points in two years. I showed you the chart which indicated it went up 4 points in 2 years under Bush. It went up 3 points in 1 year under Clinton. It went up 12 points under Carter.

After nearly eight years of zero interest rates the consistent raising of rates when Trump became president did exactly what the objective was and that was to slow an economy they thought was growing too fast.

"The Fed was forced to cut interest rates to historically low levels during the Great Recession in an effort to revive the U.S. economy and prevent more banks from bankruptcy. It was an unprecedented move, but now the Fed is facing an equally unprecedented task: getting America comfortable with more normal interest rates again after years of easy credit and fast money.

The debate is even more complicated after Trump's tax cuts and the roughly $500 billion Congress plans to spend. All of this additional money is likely to cause faster growth in the coming months, potentially forcing the Fed to raise rates faster."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...te-hike-means-for-you/?utm_term=.ef58bec07fc1

No amount of spin is going to make a 1.75 point increase over 2 years, a “fast and furious” increase.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

a dramatic one year increase from eight years of near zero interest rates.

So? We suffered the biggest economic meltdown since the Great Depression. And in part, due to the federal fund rate. So what if they were gun shy about increasing the rate after the last debacle?

Still, it's gone up 1.75 points in 2 years under trump. A small increase. Especially by historical standards.

My question is ... when does the right stop whining every time something doesn't go trump's way?

Fed raised rates from 0.25 to 2.50 while trump was president. Thats a huge increase.

"The Federal Reserve held the target range for the federal funds rate at 2.25-2.5 percent during its first policy meeting of 2019"

United States Fed Funds Rate | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

”Fed raised rates from 0.25 to 2.50 while trump was president.

No, it didn’t. Your own link shows it was at 0.75 when he became president.

“Thats a huge increase.”

No, it’s not. It went up only 1.75 points in two years. I showed you the chart which indicated it went up 4 points in 2 years under Bush. It went up 3 points in 1 year under Clinton. It went up 12 points under Carter.

After nearly eight years of zero interest rates the consistent raising of rates when Trump became president did exactly what the objective was and that was to slow an economy they thought was growing too fast.

"The Fed was forced to cut interest rates to historically low levels during the Great Recession in an effort to revive the U.S. economy and prevent more banks from bankruptcy. It was an unprecedented move, but now the Fed is facing an equally unprecedented task: getting America comfortable with more normal interest rates again after years of easy credit and fast money.

The debate is even more complicated after Trump's tax cuts and the roughly $500 billion Congress plans to spend. All of this additional money is likely to cause faster growth in the coming months, potentially forcing the Fed to raise rates faster."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...te-hike-means-for-you/?utm_term=.ef58bec07fc1

No amount of spin is going to make a 1.75 point increase over 2 years, a “fast and furious” increase.

Four times in one year did exactly what the fed intended, it cooled a hot economy.

"Scott Anderson ,chief economist of Bank of the West, says Powell's bullish view of the economy raises the odds for four rate hikes this year. Seven Fed policymakers now expect that many, up from four in December, he notes.

"I think it's a more confident (Fed) about where the economy is going to be," Anderson says. "

Fed raises rates, keeps forecast for 3 hikes in 2018

 

[Faun]

So? We suffered the biggest economic meltdown since the Great Depression. And in part, due to the federal fund rate. So what if they were gun shy about increasing the rate after the last debacle?

Still, it's gone up 1.75 points in 2 years under trump. A small increase. Especially by historical standards.

My question is ... when does the right stop whining every time something doesn't go trump's way?

Fed raised rates from 0.25 to 2.50 while trump was president. Thats a huge increase.

"The Federal Reserve held the target range for the federal funds rate at 2.25-2.5 percent during its first policy meeting of 2019"

United States Fed Funds Rate | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

”Fed raised rates from 0.25 to 2.50 while trump was president.

No, it didn’t. Your own link shows it was at 0.75 when he became president.

“Thats a huge increase.”

No, it’s not. It went up only 1.75 points in two years. I showed you the chart which indicated it went up 4 points in 2 years under Bush. It went up 3 points in 1 year under Clinton. It went up 12 points under Carter.

After nearly eight years of zero interest rates the consistent raising of rates when Trump became president did exactly what the objective was and that was to slow an economy they thought was growing too fast.

"The Fed was forced to cut interest rates to historically low levels during the Great Recession in an effort to revive the U.S. economy and prevent more banks from bankruptcy. It was an unprecedented move, but now the Fed is facing an equally unprecedented task: getting America comfortable with more normal interest rates again after years of easy credit and fast money.

The debate is even more complicated after Trump's tax cuts and the roughly $500 billion Congress plans to spend. All of this additional money is likely to cause faster growth in the coming months, potentially forcing the Fed to raise rates faster."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...te-hike-means-for-you/?utm_term=.ef58bec07fc1

No amount of spin is going to make a 1.75 point increase over 2 years, a “fast and furious” increase.

Four times in one year did exactly what the fed intended, it cooled a hot economy.

"Scott Anderson ,chief economist of Bank of the West, says Powell's bullish view of the economy raises the odds for four rate hikes this year. Seven Fed policymakers now expect that many, up from four in December, he notes.

"I think it's a more confident (Fed) about where the economy is going to be," Anderson says. "

Fed raises rates, keeps forecast for 3 hikes in 2018

Four times where they raised it 0.25 points, the smallest increment, each time — that’s still not “fast and furious.”

They raised it 3 points in 1 year alone under Clinton. Was that ”fast and furious?”

 

[rightwinger]

33,000 gun deaths a year is a national emergency

 

[danielpalos]

33,000 gun deaths a year is a national emergency

Muster the militia; we should have no security problems in our free States.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Fed raised rates from 0.25 to 2.50 while trump was president. Thats a huge increase.

"The Federal Reserve held the target range for the federal funds rate at 2.25-2.5 percent during its first policy meeting of 2019"

United States Fed Funds Rate | 2019 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast

”Fed raised rates from 0.25 to 2.50 while trump was president.

No, it didn’t. Your own link shows it was at 0.75 when he became president.

“Thats a huge increase.”

No, it’s not. It went up only 1.75 points in two years. I showed you the chart which indicated it went up 4 points in 2 years under Bush. It went up 3 points in 1 year under Clinton. It went up 12 points under Carter.

After nearly eight years of zero interest rates the consistent raising of rates when Trump became president did exactly what the objective was and that was to slow an economy they thought was growing too fast.

"The Fed was forced to cut interest rates to historically low levels during the Great Recession in an effort to revive the U.S. economy and prevent more banks from bankruptcy. It was an unprecedented move, but now the Fed is facing an equally unprecedented task: getting America comfortable with more normal interest rates again after years of easy credit and fast money.

The debate is even more complicated after Trump's tax cuts and the roughly $500 billion Congress plans to spend. All of this additional money is likely to cause faster growth in the coming months, potentially forcing the Fed to raise rates faster."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...te-hike-means-for-you/?utm_term=.ef58bec07fc1

No amount of spin is going to make a 1.75 point increase over 2 years, a “fast and furious” increase.

Four times in one year did exactly what the fed intended, it cooled a hot economy.

"Scott Anderson ,chief economist of Bank of the West, says Powell's bullish view of the economy raises the odds for four rate hikes this year. Seven Fed policymakers now expect that many, up from four in December, he notes.

"I think it's a more confident (Fed) about where the economy is going to be," Anderson says. "

Fed raises rates, keeps forecast for 3 hikes in 2018

Four times where they raised it 0.25 points, the smallest increment, each time — that’s still not “fast and furious.”

They raised it 3 points in 1 year alone under Clinton. Was that ”fast and furious?”

People were used to near zero interest so in context it was both fast and furious. There is no reasonable argument that can be made that it wasn't intended to do what it did, slow economic growth.

 

[Faun]

”Fed raised rates from 0.25 to 2.50 while trump was president.

No, it didn’t. Your own link shows it was at 0.75 when he became president.

“Thats a huge increase.”

No, it’s not. It went up only 1.75 points in two years. I showed you the chart which indicated it went up 4 points in 2 years under Bush. It went up 3 points in 1 year under Clinton. It went up 12 points under Carter.

After nearly eight years of zero interest rates the consistent raising of rates when Trump became president did exactly what the objective was and that was to slow an economy they thought was growing too fast.

"The Fed was forced to cut interest rates to historically low levels during the Great Recession in an effort to revive the U.S. economy and prevent more banks from bankruptcy. It was an unprecedented move, but now the Fed is facing an equally unprecedented task: getting America comfortable with more normal interest rates again after years of easy credit and fast money.

The debate is even more complicated after Trump's tax cuts and the roughly $500 billion Congress plans to spend. All of this additional money is likely to cause faster growth in the coming months, potentially forcing the Fed to raise rates faster."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...te-hike-means-for-you/?utm_term=.ef58bec07fc1

No amount of spin is going to make a 1.75 point increase over 2 years, a “fast and furious” increase.

Four times in one year did exactly what the fed intended, it cooled a hot economy.

"Scott Anderson ,chief economist of Bank of the West, says Powell's bullish view of the economy raises the odds for four rate hikes this year. Seven Fed policymakers now expect that many, up from four in December, he notes.

"I think it's a more confident (Fed) about where the economy is going to be," Anderson says. "

Fed raises rates, keeps forecast for 3 hikes in 2018

Four times where they raised it 0.25 points, the smallest increment, each time — that’s still not “fast and furious.”

They raised it 3 points in 1 year alone under Clinton. Was that ”fast and furious?”

People were used to near zero interest so in context it was both fast and furious. There is no reasonable argument that can be made that it wasn't intended to do what it did, slow economic growth.

What people were used to is meaningless. At some point, the rate had to go up. Once the economy appeared strong, the Fed started raising the rate, as expected.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

After nearly eight years of zero interest rates the consistent raising of rates when Trump became president did exactly what the objective was and that was to slow an economy they thought was growing too fast.

"The Fed was forced to cut interest rates to historically low levels during the Great Recession in an effort to revive the U.S. economy and prevent more banks from bankruptcy. It was an unprecedented move, but now the Fed is facing an equally unprecedented task: getting America comfortable with more normal interest rates again after years of easy credit and fast money.

The debate is even more complicated after Trump's tax cuts and the roughly $500 billion Congress plans to spend. All of this additional money is likely to cause faster growth in the coming months, potentially forcing the Fed to raise rates faster."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...te-hike-means-for-you/?utm_term=.ef58bec07fc1

No amount of spin is going to make a 1.75 point increase over 2 years, a “fast and furious” increase.

Four times in one year did exactly what the fed intended, it cooled a hot economy.

"Scott Anderson ,chief economist of Bank of the West, says Powell's bullish view of the economy raises the odds for four rate hikes this year. Seven Fed policymakers now expect that many, up from four in December, he notes.

"I think it's a more confident (Fed) about where the economy is going to be," Anderson says. "

Fed raises rates, keeps forecast for 3 hikes in 2018

Four times where they raised it 0.25 points, the smallest increment, each time — that’s still not “fast and furious.”

They raised it 3 points in 1 year alone under Clinton. Was that ”fast and furious?”

People were used to near zero interest so in context it was both fast and furious. There is no reasonable argument that can be made that it wasn't intended to do what it did, slow economic growth.

What people were used to is meaningless. At some point, the rate had to go up. Once the economy appeared strong, the Fed started raising the rate, as expected.

After nearly eight years of zero interest rates quick and consistent raising of rates had a profound psychological impact on 'borrowers especially in the housing market and automobile industry. Watch things go now that the fed has backed off.

 

[Faun]

No amount of spin is going to make a 1.75 point increase over 2 years, a “fast and furious” increase.

Four times in one year did exactly what the fed intended, it cooled a hot economy.

"Scott Anderson ,chief economist of Bank of the West, says Powell's bullish view of the economy raises the odds for four rate hikes this year. Seven Fed policymakers now expect that many, up from four in December, he notes.

"I think it's a more confident (Fed) about where the economy is going to be," Anderson says. "

Fed raises rates, keeps forecast for 3 hikes in 2018

Four times where they raised it 0.25 points, the smallest increment, each time — that’s still not “fast and furious.”

They raised it 3 points in 1 year alone under Clinton. Was that ”fast and furious?”

People were used to near zero interest so in context it was both fast and furious. There is no reasonable argument that can be made that it wasn't intended to do what it did, slow economic growth.

What people were used to is meaningless. At some point, the rate had to go up. Once the economy appeared strong, the Fed started raising the rate, as expected.

After nearly eight years of zero interest rates quick and consistent raising of rates had a profound psychological impact on 'borrowers especially in the housing market and automobile industry. Watch things go now that the fed has backed off.

Great, let’s see your evidence the housing and auto markets have slowed down with any semblance of significance....

 

[sawyerloggingon]

Four times in one year did exactly what the fed intended, it cooled a hot economy.

"Scott Anderson ,chief economist of Bank of the West, says Powell's bullish view of the economy raises the odds for four rate hikes this year. Seven Fed policymakers now expect that many, up from four in December, he notes.

"I think it's a more confident (Fed) about where the economy is going to be," Anderson says. "

Fed raises rates, keeps forecast for 3 hikes in 2018

Four times where they raised it 0.25 points, the smallest increment, each time — that’s still not “fast and furious.”

They raised it 3 points in 1 year alone under Clinton. Was that ”fast and furious?”

People were used to near zero interest so in context it was both fast and furious. There is no reasonable argument that can be made that it wasn't intended to do what it did, slow economic growth.

What people were used to is meaningless. At some point, the rate had to go up. Once the economy appeared strong, the Fed started raising the rate, as expected.

After nearly eight years of zero interest rates quick and consistent raising of rates had a profound psychological impact on 'borrowers especially in the housing market and automobile industry. Watch things go now that the fed has backed off.

Great, let’s see your evidence the housing and auto markets have slowed down with any semblance of significance....

Auto and home sales both slowed in 2018. If you dont know this then do your own research. Dont display your ignorance.

 

[Vandalshandle]

There are more Americans in arrears on their car payments right now than ever before. The country has been on a credit addiction spree, which is unsustainable. Add that to the fact that the deficit has just exceeded $22 trillion. Trump's tax cut, which was supposed to pay for itself has not, and we are headed toward a cliff, with Trump's trade war.

 

[Faun]

Four times where they raised it 0.25 points, the smallest increment, each time — that’s still not “fast and furious.”

They raised it 3 points in 1 year alone under Clinton. Was that ”fast and furious?”

People were used to near zero interest so in context it was both fast and furious. There is no reasonable argument that can be made that it wasn't intended to do what it did, slow economic growth.

What people were used to is meaningless. At some point, the rate had to go up. Once the economy appeared strong, the Fed started raising the rate, as expected.

After nearly eight years of zero interest rates quick and consistent raising of rates had a profound psychological impact on 'borrowers especially in the housing market and automobile industry. Watch things go now that the fed has backed off.

Great, let’s see your evidence the housing and auto markets have slowed down with any semblance of significance....

Auto and home sales both slowed in 2018. If you dont know this then do your own research. Dont display your ignorance.

Sorry, I don’t do others’ homework. You made the claim; if you won’t support it, I won’t believe it.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

People were used to near zero interest so in context it was both fast and furious. There is no reasonable argument that can be made that it wasn't intended to do what it did, slow economic growth.

What people were used to is meaningless. At some point, the rate had to go up. Once the economy appeared strong, the Fed started raising the rate, as expected.

After nearly eight years of zero interest rates quick and consistent raising of rates had a profound psychological impact on 'borrowers especially in the housing market and automobile industry. Watch things go now that the fed has backed off.

Great, let’s see your evidence the housing and auto markets have slowed down with any semblance of significance....

Auto and home sales both slowed in 2018. If you dont know this then do your own research. Dont display your ignorance.

Sorry, I don’t do others’ homework. You made the claim; if you won’t support it, I won’t believe it.

Actually its your homework. Educate yourself then get back to me

 

[Faun]

What people were used to is meaningless. At some point, the rate had to go up. Once the economy appeared strong, the Fed started raising the rate, as expected.

After nearly eight years of zero interest rates quick and consistent raising of rates had a profound psychological impact on 'borrowers especially in the housing market and automobile industry. Watch things go now that the fed has backed off.

Great, let’s see your evidence the housing and auto markets have slowed down with any semblance of significance....

Auto and home sales both slowed in 2018. If you dont know this then do your own research. Dont display your ignorance.

Sorry, I don’t do others’ homework. You made the claim; if you won’t support it, I won’t believe it.

Actually its your homework. Educate yourself then get back to me

LOL

Proving you right isn’t my job, it’s yours.

You failed. Miserably.

 

[sawyerloggingon]

After nearly eight years of zero interest rates quick and consistent raising of rates had a profound psychological impact on 'borrowers especially in the housing market and automobile industry. Watch things go now that the fed has backed off.

Great, let’s see your evidence the housing and auto markets have slowed down with any semblance of significance....

Auto and home sales both slowed in 2018. If you dont know this then do your own research. Dont display your ignorance.

Sorry, I don’t do others’ homework. You made the claim; if you won’t support it, I won’t believe it.

Actually its your homework. Educate yourself then get back to me

LOL

Proving you right isn’t my job, it’s yours.

You failed. Miserably.

Actually i succeeded admirably in exposing you as being too uninformed to bother with. Have a nice day.

 

[danielpalos]

There is no express wall building power in our federal Constitution. too socialist. only a Postal service is necessary and proper.

 

[Correll]

If Trump is forced to declare a national emergency that may well happen and may be the only way for it to happen.

A national emergency? Has his favorite golf course flooded? There are plenty of illegal immigrants who can fix that for him.

Irrelevant. BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

No problem. Mexico says that the check is in the mail.

Don't care. BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

Unfortunately the Congress does. Sorry.

Why are you against Americans having the same rights as every other citizen in the world?

 

[Correll]

If Trump is forced to declare a national emergency that may well happen and may be the only way for it to happen.

A national emergency? Has his favorite golf course flooded? There are plenty of illegal immigrants who can fix that for him.

Irrelevant. BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

No problem. Mexico says that the check is in the mail.

Don't care. BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

As soon as Mexico’s check clears

Why are you against Americans having the same rights as everyone else?

 

[Correll]

A fair point, but not a reason to not BUILD THE FUCKING WALL.

As soon as Mexico sends the money.

Maybe we could use the money Obama saved by closing GITMO. Oh wait, he never did that did he. Nevermind.

Perhaps he should have declared the GITMO crisis a national emergency!!! It would have been ridiculous but it would have been effective.

Point being that “national emergencies” should be actual emergencies; not a way to fulfill campaign promises.

I realize democrats don't think it's an emergency but Trump does. Elections have consequences.

If he does, why didn’t he declare one on 1/20/17? Earlier you said he couldn’t because he’d be a dictator. Why wouldn’t his declaration in 2019 not make him a dictator?

Why are you looking for excuses to not control who and what enters our community?