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I think that most are not spending 2%. But the soviet union no longer exists. Trump went over and gave a Steve Miller bully speech, and got laughed at as a result. The real question is what is Nato's mission. Militarily we probably can't keep Putin from meddling in the Baltics or Ukraine, but even without the US, Nato spends multiple times what Russia can spend.So they did not agree to pay 2% of GDP? Really? Then let us withdraw from NATO. If they do not wish to contribute to their defense then neither should we. Problem solved.
They agreed to pay the US a dime. They agreed to raise their defence spending (to be read as "increase the size of their army and upgrade their equipment"), until it is 2% of GDP, and most NATO members are in compliance with that agreement.
Trump needs to read these agreements BEFORE he spouts off like this and makes a total fool of himself.
It's like him saying "I'm going to find out what's in that agreement" AFTER he spouted off at the Australian Prime Minister about the refugee agreement and the PM hung up on him.
If you're going to discuss an agreement and not look like a buffoon, you need to know what's in it BEFORE you open your mouth.
5 are in compliance 23 are not.So they did not agree to pay 2% of GDP? Really? Then let us withdraw from NATO. If they do not wish to contribute to their defense then neither should we. Problem solved.
They agreed to pay the US a dime. They agreed to raise their defence spending (to be read as "increase the size of their army and upgrade their equipment"), until it is 2% of GDP, and most NATO members are in compliance with that agreement.
Trump needs to read these agreements BEFORE he spouts off like this and makes a total fool of himself.
It's like him saying "I'm going to find out what's in that agreement" AFTER he spouted off at the Australian Prime Minister about the refugee agreement and the PM hung up on him.
If you're going to discuss an agreement and not look like a buffoon, you need to know what's in it BEFORE you open your mouth.
i thought we made a deal?Donald J. Trump explicitly acknowledged for the first time during Sunday’s debate that he used a $916 million loss that he reported on his 1995 income tax returns to avoid paying personal federal income taxes for years.here's the deal if I link it you can not respond with my outline above...
you will have to come up with something better than "no laws were broken"
You can't link it, Trump's returns are not public? See I had you before you began
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/10/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html
What he did was legal....nice try though
No, Trump owes the taxpayer nothing, he used a perfectly legal way of avoiding taxes, only a fool doesn't see it or even do it....fool.
Now run along, ya got nuthin
Ewe were all for bankruptcy when GM did it. They stiffed their stockholders, paid lenders one cent on the dollar fucked over the dealerships and obama backed them all the way. Then they moved to Mexico!In 2014 the members of NATO agreed to raise their defence spending to 2% of GDP [BOLD] by 2024[/BOLD]. There is nothing in this agreement the required any NATO country to pay money to the United States. Trump's claims that the American taxpayers are owed billions is completely scurrilous and hence NATO leaders openly laughed in his face for saying it.
It should also be pointed out that the guy who went bankrupt 6 times in the United States, leaving American taxpayers to foot the bill for HIS losses has a lot of gall complaining about others stiffing American taxpayers.
Who paid the Court Costs on the 3000+ lawsuits Trump has been involved in? Who pays the bill for the 100 million Donnie spends going down to Mar-a-Lagos every weekend? Who pays the bill when Donnie stiffs small businesses and subtrades in his construction deals? Who fights for years to cut his property tax bills in every jurisdiction, refusing to pay his fair share? Why Donald Trump of course.
Donald Trump, through his bankruptcies, failed businesses, fraudulent university and numerous law suits has cost the American taxpayers billions for the costs of his law suits, his bankruptcies, and for those subtrades driven into debt or bankruptcy by his shady business practices, by his default on billions of dollars in loans.
No wonder Europe's leaders laughed in his face.
Your President is, was, and always shall be a laughingstock.
Let's start with your claim that the taxpayers are owed billions. Did he say those words or are you just spinning? Got a quote?
Next, how are taxpayer's liable for his bankruptcies? Got a link?
What makes you think that anyone else paid the court costs in the lawsuits? Got a link?
Got a link for the rest of your unsubstantiated bullshit?
If you cannot prove any of this, you are the laughingstock!
You need to take a civics class.
All costs associated with operation of both criminal and civil Courts are paid by the taxpayer. When a Plaintiff is awarded "court costs", that amount is a refund of the Plaintiffs' costs to file the suit - a nominal amount, which in no way reflects the actual cost of processing the suit, holding discoveries or having a Trial and rendering judgement. Judges are paid salaries in excess of $100,000 per year. Court stenographers, bailiffs, and the numerous office clerks and personnel required to keep all the briefs straight, are all well paid.
What do you think happens in a bankruptcy? Lenders lose money. Bankruptcies on the scale of Trump's losses mean that these corporations own properties that don't pay taxes to any level of government. The government is an "unsecured creditor".
Employees used to get paid first. I'm not sure that this is the case now. Next in line are the secured creditors - those with mortgages or debentures, and last the unsecured creditors - contractors, suppliers, government. Property taxes get paid on the sale of any real property but all other taxes owing get pooled in with the unsecured creditors.
When a large corporation goes bankrupt, someone has to make up the taxes they didn't pay, or they go on the deficit, which is owed by whom? The taxpayers.
Trump's bankruptcies and law suits are well documented and a matter of public. They are the reason Trump borrowed money from the Saudis and the Russians. American banks lost so much money lending to your bankrupt clown that they refused to give him any more money.
That would be the same Saudis that Donnie just sold smart bombs to. Weapons that Obama refused to sell to a nation with a history of sponsoring and funding terrorists.
In 2014 the members of NATO agreed to raise their defence spending to 2% of GDP [BOLD] by 2024[/BOLD]. There is nothing in this agreement the required any NATO country to pay money to the United States. Trump's claims that the American taxpayers are owed billions is completely scurrilous and hence NATO leaders openly laughed in his face for saying it.
It should also be pointed out that the guy who went bankrupt 6 times in the United States, leaving American taxpayers to foot the bill for HIS losses has a lot of gall complaining about others stiffing American taxpayers.
Who paid the Court Costs on the 3000+ lawsuits Trump has been involved in? Who pays the bill for the 100 million Donnie spends going down to Mar-a-Lagos every weekend? Who pays the bill when Donnie stiffs small businesses and subtrades in his construction deals? Who fights for years to cut his property tax bills in every jurisdiction, refusing to pay his fair share? Why Donald Trump of course.
Donald Trump, through his bankruptcies, failed businesses, fraudulent university and numerous law suits has cost the American taxpayers billions for the costs of his law suits, his bankruptcies, and for those subtrades driven into debt or bankruptcy by his shady business practices, by his default on billions of dollars in loans.
No wonder Europe's leaders laughed in his face.
Your President is, was, and always shall be a laughingstock.
Let's start with your claim that the taxpayers are owed billions. Did he say those words or are you just spinning? Got a quote?
Next, how are taxpayer's liable for his bankruptcies? Got a link?
What makes you think that anyone else paid the court costs in the lawsuits? Got a link?
Got a link for the rest of your unsubstantiated bullshit?
If you cannot prove any of this, you are the laughingstock!
You need to take a civics class.
All costs associated with operation of both criminal and civil Courts are paid by the taxpayer. When a Plaintiff is awarded "court costs", that amount is a refund of the Plaintiffs' costs to file the suit - a nominal amount, which in no way reflects the actual cost of processing the suit, holding discoveries or having a Trial and rendering judgement. Judges are paid salaries in excess of $100,000 per year. Court stenographers, bailiffs, and the numerous office clerks and personnel required to keep all the briefs straight, are all well paid.
What do you think happens in a bankruptcy? Lenders lose money. Bankruptcies on the scale of Trump's losses mean that these corporations own properties that don't pay taxes to any level of government. The government is an "unsecured creditor".
Employees used to get paid first. I'm not sure that this is the case now. Next in line are the secured creditors - those with mortgages or debentures, and last the unsecured creditors - contractors, suppliers, government. Property taxes get paid on the sale of any real property but all other taxes owing get pooled in with the unsecured creditors.
When a large corporation goes bankrupt, someone has to make up the taxes they didn't pay, or they go on the deficit, which is owed by whom? The taxpayers.
Trump's bankruptcies and law suits are well documented and a matter of public. They are the reason Trump borrowed money from the Saudis and the Russians. American banks lost so much money lending to your bankrupt clown that they refused to give him any more money.
That would be the same Saudis that Donnie just sold smart bombs to. Weapons that Obama refused to sell to a nation with a history of sponsoring and funding terrorists.
i thought we made a deal?Donald J. Trump explicitly acknowledged for the first time during Sunday’s debate that he used a $916 million loss that he reported on his 1995 income tax returns to avoid paying personal federal income taxes for years.You can't link it, Trump's returns are not public? See I had you before you began
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/10/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html
What he did was legal....nice try though
No, Trump owes the taxpayer nothing, he used a perfectly legal way of avoiding taxes, only a fool doesn't see it or even do it....fool.
Now run along, ya got nuthin
Trump appeals the assessment on every property he owns or manages. If he loses his first appeal, he refiles and continues appealing until every avenue is exhausted. In the meantime, he pays no property taxes until the assessment is settled, which may take ten years.
If it's a small municipality, they can ill afford to carry Trump's property tax debt on their books. Taxes are calculated based on expected revenues and expected expenses. For example the municipality in Florida where Mar-A-Lagos is located is having problems footing the bill for the additional security requirements of having the President in town every weekend. Imagine if Mar-a-lago didn't pay taxes for 10 years.
Once Trump's tax bill is set, he then tries to "settle" the balance owing for however long it took to beat his assessment down. At this point the municipality may be having financial difficulties and are desperate for cash so again, he bullies them into paying less than he should.
Trump recently appealed the tax assessment on the new Washington hotel he opened during the campaign.
Sassy will say nothing here is illegal. No it's not, but it's not ethical nor is it fair to other taxpayers.
I think that most are not spending 2%. But the soviet union no longer exists. Trump went over and gave a Steve Miller bully speech, and got laughed at as a result. The real question is what is Nato's mission. Militarily we probably can't keep Putin from meddling in the Baltics or Ukraine, but even without the US, Nato spends multiple times what Russia can spend.So they did not agree to pay 2% of GDP? Really? Then let us withdraw from NATO. If they do not wish to contribute to their defense then neither should we. Problem solved.
They agreed to pay the US a dime. They agreed to raise their defence spending (to be read as "increase the size of their army and upgrade their equipment"), until it is 2% of GDP, and most NATO members are in compliance with that agreement.
Trump needs to read these agreements BEFORE he spouts off like this and makes a total fool of himself.
It's like him saying "I'm going to find out what's in that agreement" AFTER he spouted off at the Australian Prime Minister about the refugee agreement and the PM hung up on him.
If you're going to discuss an agreement and not look like a buffoon, you need to know what's in it BEFORE you open your mouth.
We didn't wreck our armored divisions by meddling in Europe. We can barely keep unit rotations going for the ME.
How about we see Aries tax returns? Let's see how scumbag you are for not paying more than you have to in taxes.HahahaPublic knowledge.Ahhhh.... TRUMP owes American tax payers. For all those years of not paying, all of the excess golfing, and for melanias rejecting of her WH role.In 2014 the members of NATO agreed to raise their defence spending to 2% of GDP [BOLD] by 2024[/BOLD]. There is nothing in this agreement the required any NATO country to pay money to the United States. Trump's claims that the American taxpayers are owed billions is completely scurrilous and hence NATO leaders openly laughed in his face for saying it.
It should also be pointed out that the guy who went bankrupt 6 times in the United States, leaving American taxpayers to foot the bill for HIS losses has a lot of gall complaining about others stiffing American taxpayers.
Who paid the Court Costs on the 3000+ lawsuits Trump has been involved in? Who pays the bill for the 100 million Donnie spends going down to Mar-a-Lagos every weekend? Who pays the bill when Donnie stiffs small businesses and subtrades in his construction deals? Who fights for years to cut his property tax bills in every jurisdiction, refusing to pay his fair share? Why Donald Trump of course.
Donald Trump, through his bankruptcies, failed businesses, fraudulent university and numerous law suits has cost the American taxpayers billions for the costs of his law suits, his bankruptcies, and for those subtrades driven into debt or bankruptcy by his shady business practices, by his default on billions of dollars in loans.
No wonder Europe's leaders laughed in his face.
Your President is, was, and always shall be a laughingstock.
What years didn't Trump pay? Link your claim
Don't feed the tolls.
If it's public link it. You're about to be crushed...again
I'll save us the hassle:
*Aries posts link of Trump avoiding years of taxes*
Sassy says no laws were broken
Aries says Trump took advantage at the expense of hard working Americans
Sassy says that's fine I blindly support everything Trump has ever done
Aries says he's a scumbag
Sassy says Aries is a scumbag
The end
Been paying more than Don the conHow about we see Aries tax returns? Let's see how scumbag you are for not paying more than you have to in taxes.HahahaPublic knowledge.Ahhhh.... TRUMP owes American tax payers. For all those years of not paying, all of the excess golfing, and for melanias rejecting of her WH role.
What years didn't Trump pay? Link your claim
Don't feed the tolls.
If it's public link it. You're about to be crushed...again
I'll save us the hassle:
*Aries posts link of Trump avoiding years of taxes*
Sassy says no laws were broken
Aries says Trump took advantage at the expense of hard working Americans
Sassy says that's fine I blindly support everything Trump has ever done
Aries says he's a scumbag
Sassy says Aries is a scumbag
The end
In 2014 the members of NATO agreed to raise their defence spending to 2% of GDP [BOLD] by 2024[/BOLD]. There is nothing in this agreement the required any NATO country to pay money to the United States. Trump's claims that the American taxpayers are owed billions is completely scurrilous and hence NATO leaders openly laughed in his face for saying it.
It should also be pointed out that the guy who went bankrupt 6 times in the United States, leaving American taxpayers to foot the bill for HIS losses has a lot of gall complaining about others stiffing American taxpayers.
Who paid the Court Costs on the 3000+ lawsuits Trump has been involved in? Who pays the bill for the 100 million Donnie spends going down to Mar-a-Lagos every weekend? Who pays the bill when Donnie stiffs small businesses and subtrades in his construction deals? Who fights for years to cut his property tax bills in every jurisdiction, refusing to pay his fair share? Why Donald Trump of course.
Donald Trump, through his bankruptcies, failed businesses, fraudulent university and numerous law suits has cost the American taxpayers billions for the costs of his law suits, his bankruptcies, and for those subtrades driven into debt or bankruptcy by his shady business practices, by his default on billions of dollars in loans.
No wonder Europe's leaders laughed in his face.
Your President is, was, and always shall be a laughingstock.
Ahhhh.... TRUMP owes American tax payers. For all those years of not paying, all of the excess golfing, and for melanias rejecting of her WH role.In 2014 the members of NATO agreed to raise their defence spending to 2% of GDP [BOLD] by 2024[/BOLD]. There is nothing in this agreement the required any NATO country to pay money to the United States. Trump's claims that the American taxpayers are owed billions is completely scurrilous and hence NATO leaders openly laughed in his face for saying it.
It should also be pointed out that the guy who went bankrupt 6 times in the United States, leaving American taxpayers to foot the bill for HIS losses has a lot of gall complaining about others stiffing American taxpayers.
Who paid the Court Costs on the 3000+ lawsuits Trump has been involved in? Who pays the bill for the 100 million Donnie spends going down to Mar-a-Lagos every weekend? Who pays the bill when Donnie stiffs small businesses and subtrades in his construction deals? Who fights for years to cut his property tax bills in every jurisdiction, refusing to pay his fair share? Why Donald Trump of course.
Donald Trump, through his bankruptcies, failed businesses, fraudulent university and numerous law suits has cost the American taxpayers billions for the costs of his law suits, his bankruptcies, and for those subtrades driven into debt or bankruptcy by his shady business practices, by his default on billions of dollars in loans.
No wonder Europe's leaders laughed in his face.
Your President is, was, and always shall be a laughingstock.
In 2014 the members of NATO agreed to raise their defence spending to 2% of GDP [BOLD] by 2024[/BOLD]. There is nothing in this agreement the required any NATO country to pay money to the United States. Trump's claims that the American taxpayers are owed billions is completely scurrilous and hence NATO leaders openly laughed in his face for saying it.
It should also be pointed out that the guy who went bankrupt 6 times in the United States, leaving American taxpayers to foot the bill for HIS losses has a lot of gall complaining about others stiffing American taxpayers.
Who paid the Court Costs on the 3000+ lawsuits Trump has been involved in? Who pays the bill for the 100 million Donnie spends going down to Mar-a-Lagos every weekend? Who pays the bill when Donnie stiffs small businesses and subtrades in his construction deals? Who fights for years to cut his property tax bills in every jurisdiction, refusing to pay his fair share? Why Donald Trump of course.
Donald Trump, through his bankruptcies, failed businesses, fraudulent university and numerous law suits has cost the American taxpayers billions for the costs of his law suits, his bankruptcies, and for those subtrades driven into debt or bankruptcy by his shady business practices, by his default on billions of dollars in loans.
No wonder Europe's leaders laughed in his face.
Your President is, was, and always shall be a laughingstock.
Dumb shit....they are supposed to pay 2% toward their own militaries........what he meant was that by their not doing it.....our people end up paying more just to protect them......moron....
He really needs things explained more explicitly before he opens his big mouth. He listens to Alex Jones rant for 20 mins and thinks he has a clear understanding of how things work...In 2014 the members of NATO agreed to raise their defence spending to 2% of GDP [BOLD] by 2024[/BOLD]. There is nothing in this agreement the required any NATO country to pay money to the United States. Trump's claims that the American taxpayers are owed billions is completely scurrilous and hence NATO leaders openly laughed in his face for saying it.
It should also be pointed out that the guy who went bankrupt 6 times in the United States, leaving American taxpayers to foot the bill for HIS losses has a lot of gall complaining about others stiffing American taxpayers.
Who paid the Court Costs on the 3000+ lawsuits Trump has been involved in? Who pays the bill for the 100 million Donnie spends going down to Mar-a-Lagos every weekend? Who pays the bill when Donnie stiffs small businesses and subtrades in his construction deals? Who fights for years to cut his property tax bills in every jurisdiction, refusing to pay his fair share? Why Donald Trump of course.
Donald Trump, through his bankruptcies, failed businesses, fraudulent university and numerous law suits has cost the American taxpayers billions for the costs of his law suits, his bankruptcies, and for those subtrades driven into debt or bankruptcy by his shady business practices, by his default on billions of dollars in loans.
No wonder Europe's leaders laughed in his face.
Your President is, was, and always shall be a laughingstock.
Dumb shit....they are supposed to pay 2% toward their own militaries........what he meant was that by their not doing it.....our people end up paying more just to protect them......moron....
That's not what the agreement said. It said that they have until 2024 to raise their spending to 2%. And yes they are doing it.
So demanding that they do it NOW makes your President look like a buffoon. His behaviour is indefensible.
In 2014 the members of NATO agreed to raise their defence spending to 2% of GDP [BOLD] by 2024[/BOLD]. There is nothing in this agreement the required any NATO country to pay money to the United States. Trump's claims that the American taxpayers are owed billions is completely scurrilous and hence NATO leaders openly laughed in his face for saying it.
In 2014 the members of NATO agreed to raise their defence spending to 2% of GDP [BOLD] by 2024[/BOLD]. There is nothing in this agreement the required any NATO country to pay money to the United States. Trump's claims that the American taxpayers are owed billions is completely scurrilous and hence NATO leaders openly laughed in his face for saying it.
I'll put this in terms even simple enough for you to understand. We have been footing a huge chunk of the bill for European defense spending since WWII. That's why they can afford their vast welfare states that you people think is Utopia. If we suddenly shut down all of our bases overseas and brought our military home they'd suddenly have to start coughing up a lot more money for their own defense. That is what Trump means by they owe the American taxpayers.
Get it now?
In 2014 the members of NATO agreed to raise their defence spending to 2% of GDP [BOLD] by 2024[/BOLD]. There is nothing in this agreement the required any NATO country to pay money to the United States. Trump's claims that the American taxpayers are owed billions is completely scurrilous and hence NATO leaders openly laughed in his face for saying it.
It should also be pointed out that the guy who went bankrupt 6 times in the United States, leaving American taxpayers to foot the bill for HIS losses has a lot of gall complaining about others stiffing American taxpayers.
Who paid the Court Costs on the 3000+ lawsuits Trump has been involved in? Who pays the bill for the 100 million Donnie spends going down to Mar-a-Lagos every weekend? Who pays the bill when Donnie stiffs small businesses and subtrades in his construction deals? Who fights for years to cut his property tax bills in every jurisdiction, refusing to pay his fair share? Why Donald Trump of course.
Donald Trump, through his bankruptcies, failed businesses, fraudulent university and numerous law suits has cost the American taxpayers billions for the costs of his law suits, his bankruptcies, and for those subtrades driven into debt or bankruptcy by his shady business practices, by his default on billions of dollars in loans.
No wonder Europe's leaders laughed in his face.
Your President is, was, and always shall be a laughingstock.
Dumb shit....they are supposed to pay 2% toward their own militaries........what he meant was that by their not doing it.....our people end up paying more just to protect them......moron....
That's not what the agreement said. It said that they have until 2024 to raise their spending to 2%. And yes they are doing it.
So demanding that they do it NOW makes your President look like a buffoon. His behaviour is indefensible.
who's comparing a man to a country?I can't get over how some people keep comparing ONE MAN to world countries......
If you didn't remember.....this thread is about our President saying NATO countries owe the American taxpayers.......yet the lefties keep chirping about Trump paying his personal business taxes.....long before he was ever President.
Keep up
he paid them ?
tell him to prove it then
I think that most are not spending 2%. But the soviet union no longer exists. Trump went over and gave a Steve Miller bully speech, and got laughed at as a result. The real question is what is Nato's mission. Militarily we probably can't keep Putin from meddling in the Baltics or Ukraine, but even without the US, Nato spends multiple times what Russia can spend.So they did not agree to pay 2% of GDP? Really? Then let us withdraw from NATO. If they do not wish to contribute to their defense then neither should we. Problem solved.
They agreed to pay the US a dime. They agreed to raise their defence spending (to be read as "increase the size of their army and upgrade their equipment"), until it is 2% of GDP, and most NATO members are in compliance with that agreement.
Trump needs to read these agreements BEFORE he spouts off like this and makes a total fool of himself.
It's like him saying "I'm going to find out what's in that agreement" AFTER he spouted off at the Australian Prime Minister about the refugee agreement and the PM hung up on him.
If you're going to discuss an agreement and not look like a buffoon, you need to know what's in it BEFORE you open your mouth.
We didn't wreck our armored divisions by meddling in Europe. We can barely keep unit rotations going for the ME.
In 2014 the members of NATO agreed to raise their defence spending to 2% of GDP [BOLD] by 2024[/BOLD]. There is nothing in this agreement the required any NATO country to pay money to the United States. Trump's claims that the American taxpayers are owed billions is completely scurrilous and hence NATO leaders openly laughed in his face for saying it.
It should also be pointed out that the guy who went bankrupt 6 times in the United States, leaving American taxpayers to foot the bill for HIS losses has a lot of gall complaining about others stiffing American taxpayers.
Who paid the Court Costs on the 3000+ lawsuits Trump has been involved in? Who pays the bill for the 100 million Donnie spends going down to Mar-a-Lagos every weekend? Who pays the bill when Donnie stiffs small businesses and subtrades in his construction deals? Who fights for years to cut his property tax bills in every jurisdiction, refusing to pay his fair share? Why Donald Trump of course.
Donald Trump, through his bankruptcies, failed businesses, fraudulent university and numerous law suits has cost the American taxpayers billions for the costs of his law suits, his bankruptcies, and for those subtrades driven into debt or bankruptcy by his shady business practices, by his default on billions of dollars in loans.
No wonder Europe's leaders laughed in his face.
Your President is, was, and always shall be a laughingstock.
Dumb shit....they are supposed to pay 2% toward their own militaries........what he meant was that by their not doing it.....our people end up paying more just to protect them......moron....
That's not what the agreement said. It said that they have until 2024 to raise their spending to 2%. And yes they are doing it.
So demanding that they do it NOW makes your President look like a buffoon. His behaviour is indefensible.
Oh really? You're sending millions a year to the tax man and thinking it's not enough?Been paying more than Don the conHow about we see Aries tax returns? Let's see how scumbag you are for not paying more than you have to in taxes.HahahaPublic knowledge.What years didn't Trump pay? Link your claim
Don't feed the tolls.
If it's public link it. You're about to be crushed...again
I'll save us the hassle:
*Aries posts link of Trump avoiding years of taxes*
Sassy says no laws were broken
Aries says Trump took advantage at the expense of hard working Americans
Sassy says that's fine I blindly support everything Trump has ever done
Aries says he's a scumbag
Sassy says Aries is a scumbag
The end
