Two anti gun bills introduced in California

[2aguy]

Typical gun nut belief. Reasonable people know better.

Everything they "know" is wrong.

Just to be clear, are you saying everything reasonable people know is wrong? Typical gun nut attitude.

You don't get to define "reasonable". That's the problem with you regressives, you think people who disagree with you aren't reasonable, that road goes both ways.

You oppose any restrictions. That would include reasonable restrictions.

You have 20,000 gun laws on the books already. Your compromise will only end when the people of this country are disarmed thus you are by definition unreasonable. You demand we give up everything and you are unwilling to give up anything. Thus you are either insane or incredibly stupid. I'll let you choose which you are.

Ooh...ooh....let me pick.......they are insane and stupid..........is that a choice?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You see silly oppressive crap like this and then when the Moon Bats say they are for "reasonable" gun laws you will just laugh at them.

These Libtards wouldn't know the meaning of the word "reasonable" if it bit them in the ass.

Reasonable would start with it's very, very hard to have what you need to do this eh?

Warning - graphic (death, destruction, pure fucking madness): https://www.anony.ws/i/2015/11/15/1447601843199.jpg

I know, what a fucking control-freak asshole I am...

 

[2aguy]

Show me a single gun law that has worked anywhere silly boy. Norway has some of the strictest in the world. A scumbag murdered more people with a gun than any mass murderer has accomplished here in the States. You're a brainless retard.

As usual, gun laws work very well in Japan, which has, on average, fewer than 15 and as few as two gun murders a year for a population 2/5th as large as the US.

This is Japan...

[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]Gangs buying up guns and hitmen.....2015[/FONT]

[FONT=Roboto, sans-serif]http://ajw.asahi.com/article/behind_news/social_affairs/AJ201510120058[/FONT]

Sources with links to organized crime said mobsters are recruiting members of foreign gangs to hunt down rivals. The recruitment drive for assassins is also aimed at young men who hope to make names for themselves and one day become full-fledged gang members, the sources said.


By proposing high pay, the recruiters are trying to encourage the gang warfare by hinting that those who carry out the first hits will be paid more,” the source said.
A former high-ranking gang member living in the Kanto region said he began receiving calls asking about the availability of loaded guns from around late August, when the Yamaguchi-gumi split came to light.
The calls, eight in total, to the former gangster’s mobile phone continued into September.
Without saying who made the calls, the former gangster said the requests likely came from both sides involved in the Yamaguchi-gumi breakup.
The large number of intermediaries involved in supplying guns made it difficult to pinpoint who was actually going on the shopping spree, the former mobster said.

 

[OKTexas]

You don't get to define "reasonable". That's the problem with you regressives, you think people who disagree with you aren't reasonable, that road goes both ways.

You oppose any restrictions. That would include reasonable restrictions.

Our definition of reasonable restrictions are different, live with it and stop the name calling. You sound like a child.

You've made it quite clear that you oppose any restrictions

That would be any NEW restrictions, the CDC reported that existing gun laws have virtually no impact on the criminal use of guns, yet you demand people give the criminals an advantage by giving up their ability to have equal or greater firepower than the criminals will have. Sorry I ain't buying that.

We have the wrong laws, obviously. Does this actually need to be pointed out to you?

What needs to be pointed out is the existing laws aren't being enforced, trafficking prosecutions are down 40% under your dear leader, because they affect particular protected groups disproportionately and you know we can't have that.

 

[2aguy]

Show me a single gun law that has worked anywhere silly boy. Norway has some of the strictest in the world. A scumbag murdered more people with a gun than any mass murderer has accomplished here in the States. You're a brainless retard.

As usual, gun laws work very well in Japan, which has, on average, fewer than 15 and as few as two gun murders a year for a population 2/5th as large as the US.

more on Japan and gun control.....

The Great Japanese Gang Wars

The season for pineapples (yakuza slang for hand grenades) may finally be over. Jake Adelstein and Nathalie-Kyoko Stucky on the bloody, seven-year battle between the Dojin-kai and the Seido-kai.


In Southern Japan, the brutal pineapple season may finally be over; pineapple is yakuza slang for “hand grenade”—one of the many weapons utilized in a seven-year gang war between the Dojin-kai (1,000 members) and the splinter group the Kyushu Seido-kei (500 members).

It’s a gang war in which there have been over 45 violent incidents, including bombings, shots exchanged during high-speed car chases, and 14 deaths. At least seven deaths, including one civilian's, were from gunfire; a phenomenally high figure when you consider the number of gun deaths for all of Japan in 2011 was eight people. (Japan has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the world.)

On June 11, senior members of the Dojin-kai and the Kyushu Seido-kai (a.k.a. Seido-kai) visited the Fukuoka Police Kurume Police Station with an official announcement that they were ending the conflict. TheSeido-kai brought a virtual white flag, a notification of their dissolution (解散届け), in which they wrote, “For a long time we have made everyone ill at ease, disturbed people, and been a nuisance to society. We have decided our breakup is the only way to restore peace.” The Dojin-kai in turn proclaimed, “Since the Seido-kai is dissolved, this situation is over and we apologize to people and the authorities for the anxiety we have caused.”

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Sell that Japan gun control crap to people who don't know the issue.

Sigh: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

 

[Little-Acorn]

You oppose any restrictions. That would include reasonable restrictions.

It's so nice that these liberals support "reasonable restrictions".

The 14th amendment says that anyone born in the U.S. and under its jurisdiction, are citizens.

Wouldn't it be reasonable to make just a few exceptions?

Such as, if the person is born to foreign citizens who are in this country illegally, they are excluded from birthright citizenship?

I look forward to the leftist fanatics agreeing that this restriction is "reasonable", and thereby acceptable.

 

[2aguy]

You oppose any restrictions. That would include reasonable restrictions.

Our definition of reasonable restrictions are different, live with it and stop the name calling. You sound like a child.

You've made it quite clear that you oppose any restrictions

That would be any NEW restrictions, the CDC reported that existing gun laws have virtually no impact on the criminal use of guns, yet you demand people give the criminals an advantage by giving up their ability to have equal or greater firepower than the criminals will have. Sorry I ain't buying that.

We have the wrong laws, obviously. Does this actually need to be pointed out to you?

What needs to be pointed out is the existing laws aren't being enforced, trafficking prosecutions are down 40% under your dear leader, because they affect particular protected groups disproportionately and you know we can't have that.

And don't forget....if gun crime is going down, the ability to push more gun control is diminished...so by releasing criminals, attacking the police to make them stop doing their jobs, and reducing sentences and prosecutions of gun criminals, you create more gun crime.....and the alleged need for more gun control.

 

[2aguy]

Sell that Japan gun control crap to people who don't know the issue.

Sigh: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

See...this is why you are dumb....I have the researcher, David Kopels actual piece that he did on Japan which The Atlantic lies about......

How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

 

[Flash]

You see silly oppressive crap like this and then when the Moon Bats say they are for "reasonable" gun laws you will just laugh at them.

These Libtards wouldn't know the meaning of the word "reasonable" if it bit them in the ass.

Reasonable would start with it's very, very hard to have what you need to do this eh?

Warning - graphic (death, destruction, pure fucking madness): https://www.anony.ws/i/2015/11/15/1447601843199.jpg

I know, what a fucking control-freak asshole I am...

Yes you are a control freak as are most busy body Moon Bats.

That is especially despicable seeing that the right to keep and bear arms is a right enumerated in the Bill of Rights. Have you ever heard of the Bill of Rights?

If you want to live in a country that doesn't allow functional AR-15s may I suggest Cuba or Australia or North Korea or even Britain? France doesn't allow them so you will be safe there, right?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Japan has some of the strictest gun-control laws in the world.

And, how odd, so few gun murders that you can count them on your fingers usually, and toes if necessary. All the better for you, and Japan of course versus the 9,000 criminal gun deaths here.

 

[2aguy]

Sell that Japan gun control crap to people who don't know the issue.

Sigh: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

This is David Kopel's actual study....and the Atlantic lies....

Japanese Gun Control

Robbery is almost as rare as murder. Indeed, armed robbery and murder are both so rare that they usually make the national news, regardless of where they occur.[29] Japan's robbery rate is 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. The reported American rate is 220.9.[30] People walk anywhere in Japan at night, and carry large sums of cash.[31]
III. A Police State

Illegal gun possession, like illegal drug possession, is a consensual offense. There is no victim to complain to the police. Accordingly, in order to find illegal guns, the Japanese police are given broad search and seizure powers. The basic firearms law permits a policeman to search a person's belongings if the officer judges there is 'sufficient suspicion that a person is carrying a fire-arm, a sword or a knife' or if he judges that a person 'is likely to endanger life or body of other persons judging reasonably from his abnormal behavior or any other surrounding circumstances'.[32] Once a weapon is found, the policeman may confiscate it. Even if the confiscation is later admitted to be an error, the firearm is sometimes not returned.[33](p.29)
In practice, the special law for weapons searches is not necessary, since the police routinely search at will. They ask suspicious characters to show them what is in their purse or sack.[34] In the rare cases where a policeman's search (for a gun or any other contraband) is ruled illegal, it hardly matters; the Japanese courts permit the use of illegally seized evidence.[35] And legal rules aside, Japanese, both criminals and ordinary citizens, are much the more willing than their American counterparts to consent to searches and to answer questions from the police.[36]
'Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police...' explains the Japanese National Police Agency. In twice-a-year visit, officers fill out Residence Information Cards about who lives where and which family member to contact in case of emergency, what relation people in the house have to each other, what kind of work they do, if they work late, and what kind of cars they own.[37] The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure that no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.[38]
The close surveillance of gun owners and householders comports with the police tradition of keeping close tabs on many private activities.[39]

For example, the nation's official year-end police report includes statistics like 'Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct'. The police recorded 9,402 such incidents in 1985, and determined that 37.4 per cent of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had sex 'voluntarily'. The two leading reasons for having sex voluntarily were 'out of curiosity' for 19.6 per cent, and 'liked particular boy', for 18.1 per cent.[40] The fact that police keep records on sex is simply a reflection of their keeping an eye on everything, including guns. Every person is the subject of a police dossier.[41]
Almost everyone accepts the paradigm that the police should be respected.


Because the police are so esteemed, the Japanese people co-operate with their police more than Americans do. Co-operation with the police also extends to obeying the laws which almost everyone believes in. The Japanese people, and even the large majority of Japanese criminals, voluntarily obey the gun controls.
There is no right to bear arms in Japan. In practical terms, there is no right to privacy against police searches. Other Western-style rights designed to protect citizens from a police state are also non-existent or feeble in Japan.


After the arrest, a suspect may be detained without bail for up to 28 days before the prosecutor brings the suspect before a judge.[42] Even after the 28 day period is completed, detention in a Japanese police station may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Rearrest on another charge, bekken taihö, is a common police tactic for starting the suspect on another 28 day interrogation process. 'Rearrest' may (p.30)occur while the suspect is still being held at the police station on the first charge. Some defendants may be held for several months without ever being brought before a judge.[43] Courts approve 99.5 per cent of prosecutors' requests for detentions.[44]


Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a suspect in custody, and those meetings are strictly limited. In the months while a suspect is held prisoner, the defense counsel may see his or her client for one to five meetings lasting about 15 minutes each. Even that access will be denied if it hampers the police investigation.

While under detention, suspects can be interrogated 12 hours a day, allowed to bathe only every fifth day, and may be prohibited from standing up, lying down, or leaning against the wall of their jail cells.[45] Amnesty International calls the Japanese police custody system a 'flagrant violation of United Nations human rights principles'.[46]


The confession rate is 95 per cent.[47]


As a Tokyo police sergeant observes, 'It is no use to protest against power'.[48] Suspects are not allowed to read confessions before they sign them, and suspects commonly complain that their confession was altered after signature.

The police use confession as their main investigative technique, and when that fails, they can become frustrated and angry. The Tokyo Bar Association states that the police routinely 'engage in torture or illegal treatment'. The Tokyo Bar is particularly critical of the judiciary for its near-total disinterest in coercion during the confession process. 'Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions'.[49]


In Japan, the legal system is, in effect, an omnipotent and unitary state authority. All law enforcement administrators in Japan are appointed by the National Police Agency and receive their funding from the NPA. Hence, the police are insulated from complaints from politicians or other citizens.[50]


There is hardly any check on the power of the state, save its own conscience.


What does the breadth of police powers have to do with gun controls? Japanese gun controls exist in a society where there is little need for guns for self-defense. Police powers make it difficult for owners of illegal guns to hide them.


So how does Japan actually keep gun violence down.....

Most importantly, the Japanese criminal justice system is based on the Government possessing the inherent authority to do whatever it wishes. In a society where almost everyone accepts nearly limitless, unchecked Government power, people do not wish to own guns to resist oppression or to protect themselves in case the criminal justice system fails.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Sell that Japan gun control crap to people who don't know the issue.

Sigh: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

See...this is why you are dumb....I have the researcher, David Kopels actual piece that he did on Japan which The Atlantic lies about......

How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

Lies eh? Do tell:

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You see silly oppressive crap like this and then when the Moon Bats say they are for "reasonable" gun laws you will just laugh at them.

These Libtards wouldn't know the meaning of the word "reasonable" if it bit them in the ass.

Reasonable would start with it's very, very hard to have what you need to do this eh?

Warning - graphic (death, destruction, pure fucking madness): https://www.anony.ws/i/2015/11/15/1447601843199.jpg

I know, what a fucking control-freak asshole I am...

Yes you are a control freak as are most busy body Moon Bats.

That is especially despicable seeing that the right to keep and bear arms is a right enumerated in the Bill of Rights. Have you ever heard of the Bill of Rights?

If you want to live in a country that doesn't allow functional AR-15s may I suggest Cuba or Australia or North Korea or even Britain? France doesn't allow them so you will be safe there, right?

Heard of the Bill of Rights? Yep, my kind wrote it. And no one is ever safe, anywhere on the face of the earth. Clear?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Sell that Japan gun control crap to people who don't know the issue.

Sigh: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

This is David Kopel's actual study....and the Atlantic lies....

Japanese Gun Control

Robbery is almost as rare as murder. Indeed, armed robbery and murder are both so rare that they usually make the national news, regardless of where they occur.[29] Japan's robbery rate is 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. The reported American rate is 220.9.[30] People walk anywhere in Japan at night, and carry large sums of cash.[31]
III. A Police State

Illegal gun possession, like illegal drug possession, is a consensual offense. There is no victim to complain to the police. Accordingly, in order to find illegal guns, the Japanese police are given broad search and seizure powers. The basic firearms law permits a policeman to search a person's belongings if the officer judges there is 'sufficient suspicion that a person is carrying a fire-arm, a sword or a knife' or if he judges that a person 'is likely to endanger life or body of other persons judging reasonably from his abnormal behavior or any other surrounding circumstances'.[32] Once a weapon is found, the policeman may confiscate it. Even if the confiscation is later admitted to be an error, the firearm is sometimes not returned.[33](p.29)
In practice, the special law for weapons searches is not necessary, since the police routinely search at will. They ask suspicious characters to show them what is in their purse or sack.[34] In the rare cases where a policeman's search (for a gun or any other contraband) is ruled illegal, it hardly matters; the Japanese courts permit the use of illegally seized evidence.[35] And legal rules aside, Japanese, both criminals and ordinary citizens, are much the more willing than their American counterparts to consent to searches and to answer questions from the police.[36]
'Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police...' explains the Japanese National Police Agency. In twice-a-year visit, officers fill out Residence Information Cards about who lives where and which family member to contact in case of emergency, what relation people in the house have to each other, what kind of work they do, if they work late, and what kind of cars they own.[37] The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure that no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.[38]
The close surveillance of gun owners and householders comports with the police tradition of keeping close tabs on many private activities.[39]

For example, the nation's official year-end police report includes statistics like 'Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct'. The police recorded 9,402 such incidents in 1985, and determined that 37.4 per cent of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had sex 'voluntarily'. The two leading reasons for having sex voluntarily were 'out of curiosity' for 19.6 per cent, and 'liked particular boy', for 18.1 per cent.[40] The fact that police keep records on sex is simply a reflection of their keeping an eye on everything, including guns. Every person is the subject of a police dossier.[41]
Almost everyone accepts the paradigm that the police should be respected.


Because the police are so esteemed, the Japanese people co-operate with their police more than Americans do. Co-operation with the police also extends to obeying the laws which almost everyone believes in. The Japanese people, and even the large majority of Japanese criminals, voluntarily obey the gun controls.
There is no right to bear arms in Japan. In practical terms, there is no right to privacy against police searches. Other Western-style rights designed to protect citizens from a police state are also non-existent or feeble in Japan.


After the arrest, a suspect may be detained without bail for up to 28 days before the prosecutor brings the suspect before a judge.[42] Even after the 28 day period is completed, detention in a Japanese police station may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Rearrest on another charge, bekken taihö, is a common police tactic for starting the suspect on another 28 day interrogation process. 'Rearrest' may (p.30)occur while the suspect is still being held at the police station on the first charge. Some defendants may be held for several months without ever being brought before a judge.[43] Courts approve 99.5 per cent of prosecutors' requests for detentions.[44]


Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a suspect in custody, and those meetings are strictly limited. In the months while a suspect is held prisoner, the defense counsel may see his or her client for one to five meetings lasting about 15 minutes each. Even that access will be denied if it hampers the police investigation.

While under detention, suspects can be interrogated 12 hours a day, allowed to bathe only every fifth day, and may be prohibited from standing up, lying down, or leaning against the wall of their jail cells.[45] Amnesty International calls the Japanese police custody system a 'flagrant violation of United Nations human rights principles'.[46]


The confession rate is 95 per cent.[47]


As a Tokyo police sergeant observes, 'It is no use to protest against power'.[48] Suspects are not allowed to read confessions before they sign them, and suspects commonly complain that their confession was altered after signature.

The police use confession as their main investigative technique, and when that fails, they can become frustrated and angry. The Tokyo Bar Association states that the police routinely 'engage in torture or illegal treatment'. The Tokyo Bar is particularly critical of the judiciary for its near-total disinterest in coercion during the confession process. 'Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions'.[49]


In Japan, the legal system is, in effect, an omnipotent and unitary state authority. All law enforcement administrators in Japan are appointed by the National Police Agency and receive their funding from the NPA. Hence, the police are insulated from complaints from politicians or other citizens.[50]


There is hardly any check on the power of the state, save its own conscience.


What does the breadth of police powers have to do with gun controls? Japanese gun controls exist in a society where there is little need for guns for self-defense. Police powers make it difficult for owners of illegal guns to hide them.


So how does Japan actually keep gun violence down.....

Most importantly, the Japanese criminal justice system is based on the Government possessing the inherent authority to do whatever it wishes. In a society where almost everyone accepts nearly limitless, unchecked Government power, people do not wish to own guns to resist oppression or to protect themselves in case the criminal justice system fails.

DAVID B KOPEL[*]
[*] Director, Firearms Research Project, Independence Institute, Golden, Colorado; Associate Policy Analyst, Cato Institute, Washington, DC; Technical Consultant, International Wound Ballistics Association, San Francisco, California. This article is based on a chapter in the author's book The Samurai, the Mountie, and the Cowboy: Should America Adopt the Gun Control of Other Democracies? The author would like to thank Professors Daniel Polsby, Noel Perrin, and Ian Ramsey for their helpful comments on earlier drafts. Errors are, of course, solely the author's.

Thank God he's entirely unbiased, or not...Dave Kopel Landing Page: Independence Institute

 

[Flash]

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Heard of the Bill of Rights? Yep, my kind wrote it. And no one is ever safe, anywhere on the face of the earth. Clear?

No they weren't your kind. Your kind supported the big government of the UK. The UK was the ones that were taking away the firearm, Mr. Silly. Your kind were either the chickenshits that did nothing or the ones that loved the government and the campaign to deprive the Americans of their right to keep and bear arms, just like nowadays.

If you would have shown up with your filthy anti right to keep and bear arms bullshit at the convention to establish the Bill of Rights you would have been run out town on rail for being so damn stupid.

 

[2aguy]

Sell that Japan gun control crap to people who don't know the issue.

Sigh: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

This is David Kopel's actual study....and the Atlantic lies....

Japanese Gun Control

Robbery is almost as rare as murder. Indeed, armed robbery and murder are both so rare that they usually make the national news, regardless of where they occur.[29] Japan's robbery rate is 1.4 per 100,000 inhabitants. The reported American rate is 220.9.[30] People walk anywhere in Japan at night, and carry large sums of cash.[31]
III. A Police State

Illegal gun possession, like illegal drug possession, is a consensual offense. There is no victim to complain to the police. Accordingly, in order to find illegal guns, the Japanese police are given broad search and seizure powers. The basic firearms law permits a policeman to search a person's belongings if the officer judges there is 'sufficient suspicion that a person is carrying a fire-arm, a sword or a knife' or if he judges that a person 'is likely to endanger life or body of other persons judging reasonably from his abnormal behavior or any other surrounding circumstances'.[32] Once a weapon is found, the policeman may confiscate it. Even if the confiscation is later admitted to be an error, the firearm is sometimes not returned.[33](p.29)
In practice, the special law for weapons searches is not necessary, since the police routinely search at will. They ask suspicious characters to show them what is in their purse or sack.[34] In the rare cases where a policeman's search (for a gun or any other contraband) is ruled illegal, it hardly matters; the Japanese courts permit the use of illegally seized evidence.[35] And legal rules aside, Japanese, both criminals and ordinary citizens, are much the more willing than their American counterparts to consent to searches and to answer questions from the police.[36]
'Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police...' explains the Japanese National Police Agency. In twice-a-year visit, officers fill out Residence Information Cards about who lives where and which family member to contact in case of emergency, what relation people in the house have to each other, what kind of work they do, if they work late, and what kind of cars they own.[37] The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure that no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.[38]
The close surveillance of gun owners and householders comports with the police tradition of keeping close tabs on many private activities.[39]

For example, the nation's official year-end police report includes statistics like 'Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct'. The police recorded 9,402 such incidents in 1985, and determined that 37.4 per cent of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had sex 'voluntarily'. The two leading reasons for having sex voluntarily were 'out of curiosity' for 19.6 per cent, and 'liked particular boy', for 18.1 per cent.[40] The fact that police keep records on sex is simply a reflection of their keeping an eye on everything, including guns. Every person is the subject of a police dossier.[41]
Almost everyone accepts the paradigm that the police should be respected.


Because the police are so esteemed, the Japanese people co-operate with their police more than Americans do. Co-operation with the police also extends to obeying the laws which almost everyone believes in. The Japanese people, and even the large majority of Japanese criminals, voluntarily obey the gun controls.
There is no right to bear arms in Japan. In practical terms, there is no right to privacy against police searches. Other Western-style rights designed to protect citizens from a police state are also non-existent or feeble in Japan.


After the arrest, a suspect may be detained without bail for up to 28 days before the prosecutor brings the suspect before a judge.[42] Even after the 28 day period is completed, detention in a Japanese police station may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Rearrest on another charge, bekken taihö, is a common police tactic for starting the suspect on another 28 day interrogation process. 'Rearrest' may (p.30)occur while the suspect is still being held at the police station on the first charge. Some defendants may be held for several months without ever being brought before a judge.[43] Courts approve 99.5 per cent of prosecutors' requests for detentions.[44]


Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a suspect in custody, and those meetings are strictly limited. In the months while a suspect is held prisoner, the defense counsel may see his or her client for one to five meetings lasting about 15 minutes each. Even that access will be denied if it hampers the police investigation.

While under detention, suspects can be interrogated 12 hours a day, allowed to bathe only every fifth day, and may be prohibited from standing up, lying down, or leaning against the wall of their jail cells.[45] Amnesty International calls the Japanese police custody system a 'flagrant violation of United Nations human rights principles'.[46]


The confession rate is 95 per cent.[47]


As a Tokyo police sergeant observes, 'It is no use to protest against power'.[48] Suspects are not allowed to read confessions before they sign them, and suspects commonly complain that their confession was altered after signature.

The police use confession as their main investigative technique, and when that fails, they can become frustrated and angry. The Tokyo Bar Association states that the police routinely 'engage in torture or illegal treatment'. The Tokyo Bar is particularly critical of the judiciary for its near-total disinterest in coercion during the confession process. 'Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions'.[49]


In Japan, the legal system is, in effect, an omnipotent and unitary state authority. All law enforcement administrators in Japan are appointed by the National Police Agency and receive their funding from the NPA. Hence, the police are insulated from complaints from politicians or other citizens.[50]


There is hardly any check on the power of the state, save its own conscience.


What does the breadth of police powers have to do with gun controls? Japanese gun controls exist in a society where there is little need for guns for self-defense. Police powers make it difficult for owners of illegal guns to hide them.


So how does Japan actually keep gun violence down.....

Most importantly, the Japanese criminal justice system is based on the Government possessing the inherent authority to do whatever it wishes. In a society where almost everyone accepts nearly limitless, unchecked Government power, people do not wish to own guns to resist oppression or to protect themselves in case the criminal justice system fails.

DAVID B KOPEL[*]
[*] Director, Firearms Research Project, Independence Institute, Golden, Colorado; Associate Policy Analyst, Cato Institute, Washington, DC; Technical Consultant, International Wound Ballistics Association, San Francisco, California. This article is based on a chapter in the author's book The Samurai, the Mountie, and the Cowboy: Should America Adopt the Gun Control of Other Democracies? The author would like to thank Professors Daniel Polsby, Noel Perrin, and Ian Ramsey for their helpful comments on earlier drafts. Errors are, of course, solely the author's.

Thank God he's entirely unbiased, or not...Dave Kopel Landing Page: Independence Institute

Yeah...well your link the Atlantic article uses him and lies about the reason he cites for Japan's low gun crime rate...he clearly states it is Japanese culture and their willingness to submit to the government.....there is not one thing they do that would fly over here.....

 

[2aguy]

Sell that Japan gun control crap to people who don't know the issue.

Sigh: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

See...this is why you are dumb....I have the researcher, David Kopels actual piece that he did on Japan which The Atlantic lies about......

How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

Lies eh? Do tell:

Yes....the key word being "Selected Countries"


And again.....normal gun owners are not committing the crimes, actual criminals with long histories of violence and criminal convictions are....and criminals in all of those countries also easily get guns...the difference is our criminals commit murder more than theirs do....they get fully automatic rifles and grenades easily, they just don't use them to murder as often.....

But don't worry....the gun crime rates in these countries is going up.......look through their news papers.....

 

[PaintMyHouse]

No they weren't your kind. Your kind supported the big government of the UK.

Nope, those were Conservatives, known as Tories here then, who fled to Canada when we started the war.

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Yale historian Leonard Woods Larabee has identified eight characteristics of the Loyalists that made them essentially conservative and loyal to the king and Britain:[7]

• They were older, better established, and resisted radical change.
• They felt that rebellion against the Crown—the legitimate government—was morally wrong.
• They were alienated when the Patriots resorted to violence, such as burning houses and tarring and feathering.
• They wanted to take a middle-of-the road position and were angry when forced by the Patriots to declare their opposition.
• They had a long-standing sentimental attachment to Britain (often with business and family links).
• They were procrastinators who realized that independence was bound to come someday, but wanted to postpone the moment.
• They were cautious and afraid that chaos and mob rule would result.
• Some were pessimists who lacked the confidence in the future displayed by the Patriots. Others recalled the dreadful experiences of many Jacobite rebels after the failure of the last Jacobite rebellion as recently as 1745 who often lost their lands when the Hanoverian government won.[8][9][10]

Other motivations of the Loyalists were:

• They felt a need for order and believed that Parliament was the legitimate authority.[11]
• In New York, powerful families had assembled colony-wide coalitions of supporters, Men long associated with the DeLancey faction went along when its leadership decided to support the crown.[12]
• They felt themselves to be weak or threatened within American society and in need of an outside defender such as the British Crown and Parliament.[13]
• They had been promised freedom from slavery by the British.[14][15][16]
• They felt that being a part of the British Empire was crucial in terms of commerce and their business operations.[17][18][19]

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[2aguy]

Show me a single gun law that has worked anywhere silly boy. Norway has some of the strictest in the world. A scumbag murdered more people with a gun than any mass murderer has accomplished here in the States. You're a brainless retard.

As usual, gun laws work very well in Japan, which has, on average, fewer than 15 and as few as two gun murders a year for a population 2/5th as large as the US.

So how does Japan actually keep gun violence down.....

Most importantly, the Japanese criminal justice system is based on the Government possessing the inherent authority to do whatever it wishes. In a society where almost everyone accepts nearly limitless, unchecked Government power, people do not wish to own guns to resist oppression or to protect themselves in case the criminal justice system fails.