Two Men Arrested In Assault On Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick

[bripat9643]

He was not assaulted
They were arrested for supporting conservative American beliefs.

Sicknick was not assaulted?

None of those cops were?

Did you just say that?

Do you have any evidence that he was assaulted?

 

[Lesh]

The Feds do , and yea...that video

 

[sealybobo]

If bear spray can cause death, then it should be considered a deadly weapon, and anyone who has ever used it would be prosecuted for attempted murder.

While lots of things can cause death sometimes, like a blow to the head, a taser, etc., there is no known means by which bear spray can possibly kill.

Bear spray a 90 year old woman and lets bet on if she survives it. Or a 3 month old baby.

What you are suggesting is that some people are fragile.
Such as a person with asthma.
But that is not relevant in this case as far as we know.
There is no evidence the bear spray had any lasting physical effect.

But at the same time, I have to admit ignorance of bear spray, in that I never had any personal contact with it.
I don't know if it produces a burning feeling, obnoxious odor, or what?

You've never been maced? All you need to do is take a little bit of mace and put it on your pointer finger. Then rub it off on your pants. Then take the finger and rub it underneath your eyeball. That one eye will close and tear up. Now remember how little was on that finger before you rubbed it under your eye. That little bit did all that.

Ever eat a hot pepper? It's a hot pepper in your eyeballs nose mouth. You can't breath.

I have been maced lots of times.
I used to swell up and could not see or hardly breath.
But not so much any more.

However, Sicknick showed no signs of any allergic inflammation, so that is not it.

So are you saying bear spray is just mace?

I think bear spray is stronger

 

[sealybobo]

L

He was not assaulted
They were arrested for supporting conservative American beliefs.

Sicknick was not assaulted?

None of those cops were?

Did you just say that?

Do you have any evidence that he was assaulted?

Lots of evidence is coming out in court. Are you reading about the facts coming out?

Chances are you believe the government is railroading these innocent Patriots so no amount of evidence will matter to someone like you

 

[sealybobo]

What our thread troll CAN'T argue is that these MAGAcreeps assaulted Sicknick and other cops with a chemical spray

And all he cares about is that they don't get blamed for killing him.

But this thread isn't about killing him.

It's about 2 trump crazy people who were arrested for assaulting Sicknick and other officers with a spray propellent.

This is a fact. There is video of it.

If people want to debate what killed Sicknick, they need to start a new thread.

But is it NOT illegal to use bear spray or anything else that is not known to physically harmful, when necessary in order to exercise your 1st amendment rights.
Meaning that the only way to be heard is through the media, and that requires some sort of civil disobedience.

Police only have authority to defend our rights for us.
They do not have the authority to prevent us from getting news coverage through civil disobediance.

I disagree with the election protestors completely, but they certainly had the right to do what they did, in order to be heard.

No they didn't. They went too far when it got violent.

I disagree.
They had a right to use the public congress as a means of being heard, and the police should have not interferred, except to prevent vandalism and theft.
The police started the violence.
They always do.

You’re being stupid and dishonest. They got violent. Just look at republican governor in Minnesota who really made it hard on the liberals who were peacefully protesting. We complained you defended the governor. Those were peaceful polite protesters. Republicans rioted and vandalized. They had a right to show up and use their voices. Not storm in where they are not allowed.

Funny you think our politicians should be that vulnerable to a mob. Al queda loves it you showed them the way to our politicians. And you even say the cops shouldn’t interfere.

Youre fos.

 

[sealybobo]

What our thread troll CAN'T argue is that these MAGAcreeps assaulted Sicknick and other cops with a chemical spray

And all he cares about is that they don't get blamed for killing him.

But this thread isn't about killing him.

It's about 2 trump crazy people who were arrested for assaulting Sicknick and other officers with a spray propellent.

This is a fact. There is video of it.

If people want to debate what killed Sicknick, they need to start a new thread.

But is it NOT illegal to use bear spray or anything else that is not known to physically harmful, when necessary in order to exercise your 1st amendment rights.
Meaning that the only way to be heard is through the media, and that requires some sort of civil disobedience.

Police only have authority to defend our rights for us.
They do not have the authority to prevent us from getting news coverage through civil disobediance.

I disagree with the election protestors completely, but they certainly had the right to do what they did, in order to be heard.

No they didn't. They went too far when it got violent.

I disagree.
They had a right to use the public congress as a means of being heard, and the police should have not interferred, except to prevent vandalism and theft.
The police started the violence.
They always do.

So you agree with blm?

 

[sealybobo]

"....but they certainly had the right to do what they did."

Poster Rigby5 is suggesting, I think, that the rioters on January 6th had "the right" to club, spear, stomp, choke, drag, and spray, duly authorized uniformed police officers who were sworn to their duty.

The "right" to do it, poster Rigby asserts.

Look, I ain't a lawyer, but.......but it will be interesting to see if any of the defense lawyers hired by the arrested perps will adopt poster Rigby's defense strategy of "rights".
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"The police started the violence.
They always do."[/QUOTE]

They "always do"? ?
Well, that blows up the Rightfield position that 'Blue Lives Matter".
And, surely supports the conviction of Officer Chauvin in Minneapolis.

Who knew?



And then, 'the police started it'?
.Hmmm, I dunno.
My TV and my laptop newsfeeds seemingly indicate otherwise.
Maybe do a little more due diligence poster Rigby.
Your assertions are not really a good indicator of your ability to do research before posting.

IMHO

Wrong.
The fact the protestors were likely wrong about election fraud, does not at all change the fact they had the right to protest in order to bring media attention to what they considered to be a problem.
Not letting people in to Congress to air their grievances, is wrong, illegal, and undemocratic.

The DC police are brutal, draconian, mercenary, corrupt, and contrary to a democracy.
Of course the police started the violence. They always have clubs, helmets, shields, pepper spray, tear gas, guns, etc.

The police do not own the capital, the demonstrators do.
Their right to demonstrate supercedes the delegates and paid authority the police have.

Again, the fact the demonstrators likely were wrong about election fraud, is totally irrelevant.
They still had a right to be heard, and the DC police attempted to deny them that right.

They were hoping to stop the election process and get the Supreme Court to give trump the election. I believe that was the goal.

So is this a normal part of the election process? Republicans riot when they lose?

 

[Lesh]

I think bear spray is stronger

I have read that bear spray is LESS strong than mace.

However we don't know what chemical these MAGAcreeps were spraying on the cops.

Whatevr it was it caused chemical burns on the skin. That's something that neither mace nor bear spray does.

 

[bripat9643]

L

He was not assaulted
They were arrested for supporting conservative American beliefs.

Sicknick was not assaulted?

None of those cops were?

Did you just say that?

Do you have any evidence that he was assaulted?

Lots of evidence is coming out in court. Are you reading about the facts coming out?

Chances are you believe the government is railroading these innocent Patriots so no amount of evidence will matter to someone like you

Post the evidence, NAZI.

 

[sealybobo]

L

He was not assaulted
They were arrested for supporting conservative American beliefs.

Sicknick was not assaulted?

None of those cops were?

Did you just say that?

Do you have any evidence that he was assaulted?

Lots of evidence is coming out in court. Are you reading about the facts coming out?

Chances are you believe the government is railroading these innocent Patriots so no amount of evidence will matter to someone like you

Post the evidence, NAZI.

Why bother? We posted the evidence Trump broke the law when he called Ukraine, you didn't care. You can hear Trump breaking the law when he called the Governor of Georgia and asked him to find him 200,000 votes. You didn't care.

So no matter what evidence has already come out, you won't believe any of it.

What is it you don't believe? What are you denying?

 

[sealybobo]

I think bear spray is stronger

I have read that bear spray is LESS strong than mace.

However we don't know what chemical these MAGAcreeps were spraying on the cops.

Whatevr it was it caused chemical burns on the skin. That's something that neither mace nor bear spray does.

Where have you read that? Because a simple/quick google search tells me different

Standard pepper sprays have around 1 million SHUs, while bear sprays pack 3 million SHUs, so it's about three times as potent as the self-defense products. It's also dispensed more widely and forcefully, the experts agreed.

Also common sense.

 

[Lovebears65]

Last I read they don't know what killed the man. He wasn't struck or shot. They simply have no idea why he died.

The police officer died of a heart attack later that night in the hospital after being hit in the head with a fire extinguisher By a bunch of traitors.

His mother said otherwise he was not struck he died from stroke Capitol cop Brian Sicknick may have suffered fatal stroke, family says

 

[toobfreak]

The two men sprayed bear spray at officer Sicknick.
Authorities are still trying to find the person or people who are responsible for his death.

YAWN. More misdemeanor self-defense. Maybe simple assault. Sicknick didn't die at the Capitol the day of the election revolt so offhand, I'd say God killed him.

 

[bripat9643]

L

He was not assaulted
They were arrested for supporting conservative American beliefs.

Sicknick was not assaulted?

None of those cops were?

Did you just say that?

Do you have any evidence that he was assaulted?

Lots of evidence is coming out in court. Are you reading about the facts coming out?

Chances are you believe the government is railroading these innocent Patriots so no amount of evidence will matter to someone like you

Post the evidence, NAZI.

Why bother? We posted the evidence Trump broke the law when he called Ukraine, you didn't care. You can hear Trump breaking the law when he called the Governor of Georgia and asked him to find him 200,000 votes. You didn't care.

So no matter what evidence has already come out, you won't believe any of it.

What is it you don't believe? What are you denying?

Just as I thought: you have no evidence.

 

[Chillicothe]

His mother said otherwise he was not struck he died from stroke

Well, if I was a prosecutor going after these mokes who sprayed the the 3million SHU bear spray (btw, that is Scoville Heat Units. By comparison fresh habanero peppers contain 80,000 to 200,000).

Anyway, if I was the prosecutor I'd turn myself inside out ---and my expert witnesses --- attempting to link a shot of 3 million SHU spray to the face as precedent to triggering a heart attack or a stroke or some endangering neuropathy.

Anyway, that's what I'd do.
Let the jury decide to believe or not believe my experts.....vs.....the defense' experts.

Tee 'em up.

 

[basquebromance]

ohhh, the sacrifices one must make for his country! it is what it is. it's called DUTY, HONOR, COUNTRY

 

[Muhammed]

The two men sprayed bear spray at officer Sicknick.

Authorities are still trying to find the person or people who are responsible for his death.

Two men arrested in assault on Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick

The Justice Department has arrested and charged two men who allegedly assaulted Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick with bear spray during the riot at the U.S. Capitol, as authorities continue working to determine whether the assault was a direct cause of Sicknick's death. Julian Elie Khater...

www.yahoo.com

Excellent news.
Start sharpening the needle.

Needle?

Have they released the cause of death yet?

A cop got killed.

Usually that means the killer is eventually killed too.

A cop got killed.

What killed him?

IIRC, his brother said he had a stroke. However, many things can lead to a stroke, including getting bashed upside the head.

 

[Chillicothe]

Chances are you believe the government is railroading these innocent Patriots so no amount of evidence will matter to someone like you

Thank you, poster 'sealybobo'.
To your point there was this reportage in today's Washington Post:

"How America’s surveillance networks helped the FBI catch the Capitol mob"
April 2, 2021 at 9:00 a.m. EDT

"Debra Maimone pulled down her American flag mask for a moment on Jan. 6 and gazed at the unruly mob of supporters of President Donald Trump overrunning the U.S. Capitol.

“Put your mask on,” warned her fiance, as the couple stood beneath an unblinking array of surveillance cameras. “I don’t want them to see you.”

It was too late.
That scene, recorded in a cellphone video Maimone posted to the social media site Parler, helped FBI agents identify the Pittsburgh-area couple and pinpoint their location inside the Capitol, FBI agents said in a federal criminal complaint filed before Maimone’s arrest last month.

Video cameras mounted throughout the complex also captured the pair from 10 different angles, the complaint says, as they allegedly stormed the halls of Congress, rummaged through a police bag and made off with protective equipment that Senate officials kept on hand in case of a chemical attack.

Their case is among the more than 1,000 pages of arrest records, FBI affidavits and search warrants reviewed by The Washington Post detailing one of the biggest criminal investigations in American history. More than 300 suspects have been charged in the melee that shook the nation’s capital and left five people dead.

The federal documents provide a rare view of the ways investigators exploit the digital fingerprints nearly everyone leaves behind in an era of pervasive surveillance and constant online connection. They illustrate the power law enforcement now has to hunt down suspects by studying the contours of faces, the movements of vehicles and even conversations with friends and spouses.

The cache of federal documents lays out a sprawling mix of FBI techniques: license plate readers that captured suspects’ cars on the way to Washington; cell-tower location records that chronicled their movements through the Capitol complex; facial recognition searches that matched images to suspects’ driver’s licenses or social media profiles; and a remarkably deep catalogue of video from surveillance systems, live streams, news reports and cameras worn by the police who swarmed the Capitol that day.

Agents in nearly all of the FBI’s 56 field offices have executed at least 900 search warrants in all 50 states and D.C., many of them for data held by the telecommunications and technology giants whose services underpin most people’s digital lives. The responses supplied potentially incriminating details about the locations, online statements and identities of hundreds of suspects in an investigation the Justice Department called in a court motion last month “one of the largest in American history, both in terms of the number of defendants prosecuted and the nature and volume of the evidence.”

“If the event happened 20 years ago, it would have been 100 times harder to identify these people,” said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum, a D.C.-based think tank. “But today it’s almost impossible not to leave your footprints somewhere.”



https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/04/02/capitol-siege-arrests-technology-fbi-privacy/

 

[sealybobo]

Enlighten me... what's the difference?

Here's one difference

Republicans claim the Justice Department is treating insurrectionists harshly because of their political views, but court records tell a different story.

Authorities Harder On George Floyd Protesters Than Jan. 6 Rioters: Report​

The AP found that more than 120 defendants across the United States have pleaded guilty or were convicted at trial of federal crimes including rioting, arson and conspiracy. More than 70 defendants who’ve been sentenced so far have gotten an average of about 27 months behind bars. At least 10 received prison terms of five years or more.

Conservatives have sought to equate the attack on the Capitol with the Black Lives Matter protests, accusing Democrats of being hypocrites for not denouncing the violence after Floyd’s death as loudly as the Jan. 6 insurrection. And some Republicans have seized on the handling of the protest cases in Portland to suggest that the Jan. 6 defendants are being politically persecuted.
That has not been borne out when comparing the sentences that federal judges have given to Jan. 6 defendants and those who are accused of crimes during the protests against police brutality across the country.
Only a handful of the nearly 600 people who’ve been charged in the insurrection have received their punishments so far, and just three people have been sentenced to time behind bars. The vast majority of the most serious cases — involving those accused of assaulting police officers or conspiring to block the certification of Biden’s victory — remain unresolved.

So BLM rioters have been punished more harshly than Trump's Insurrectionists.

In the Capitol riot, dozens of defendants have been charged only with misdemeanors, and a standard plea deal has allowed many to plead guilty to a single count of demonstrating in the Capitol.

Only one defendant convicted of a felony has received his punishment so far. Paul Hodgkins, who breached the U.S. Senate chamber carrying a Trump campaign flag, was ordered to serve eight months behind bars.

Authorities Harder On George Floyd Protesters Than Jan. 6 Rioters: Report

Republicans claim the Justice Department is treating alleged insurrectionists harshly because of their political views, but court records tell a different story.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Rigby5]

IIRC, his brother said he had a stroke. However, many things can lead to a stroke, including getting bashed upside the head.

If a minor "bash" that does not even cause unconsciousness, results in a deadly stroke, then there was already a deadly defect and it was a matter of time before they died.
A minor "bash" can not cause a stroke in a healthy brain.

When a person dies, that is not a murder if act that precipitated the death should not normally have caused a death.

And by the way, it is illegal to impose greater sentences against those who harm police, than anyone elese.
That would be unequal treatment under the law.
And actually, in my experience, police are so abusive that about half the then should be harmed.
They violate the law more than anyone else, such as the War on Drug, federal firearm laws, etc.