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Quite right, water vapor a positive driver, if it gets hotter, there will be more of it and it more effectively traps heat, this exacerbates the heat trapping produced by that little trace of co2. Well, as if 30 billion tons is trivial.
Yes, when it radiates from the ground some of it is absorbed by the air instead of flying off into space, so when we add more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere more of this heat is being absorbed instead of flying off into space. You've failed to contradict me: co2 traps heat.
No dummy, the air is warm because THE AIR IS WARM. FFS. Its not radiating to you from the ground across a vacuum.{/quote]
Ever hear of convection and conduction? That is the means by which over 90% of the energy the earth absorbs moves from the surface to the higher atmosphere. Radiation acounts for a minimum of heat transfer in the lower atmosphere. The breeze is warm because energy is convecting and conducting upwards from the surface.
The band is the band, just because you're only looking at the band, or even a teensy sliver of the band doesnt change the fact that the experiment successfully displayed that heat is being blocked by co2 at that band- you're going to tell me its actually absorbing MORE? SUPER! That just makes me more right.
The experiment was intended to decieve and trick. In your case, it worked admirably.
Use your brain for just a second here...
Start at the coast and work your way towards the desert along that line. During the day, the coast will be much cooler than the desert because of the high water vapor content in the atmosphere....the desert will be a lot warmer because of a decided lack of water vapor.
A bit of advice, you're simply not bright enough to pull off the condescending act.
And when night falls, the desert turns frigid quickly. Because ... wait for it ... there's no water vapor serving as a greenhouse gas blanket.
Now, you told us a lack of water vapor means higher temps, but at night, regions lacking water vapor have low temps. Your theory has a few problems. You might want to work on that.
It's not water vapor in the atmosphere ever keeping temps down.
What does that is the water in the soil and plants, absorbing heat as it vaporizes. You got that wrong too. Deserts are hotter because of a lack of soil moisture, not a lack of humidity.
My favorite meteorologist has a degree in geology and chemistry plus he was a Rhodes Scolar quarter finalist. He doesn't have a meteorology degree however. He did serve as a consulting meteorologist to the Nevada Dept. of Transportation so they didn't seem to think that was a detriment.
And he's on your local TV news' weather segment?
Yes, he's the chief meteorologist for the station.
And he's on your local TV news' weather segment?
Yes, he's the chief meteorologist for the station.
What station?
Yes, when it radiates from the ground some of it is absorbed by the air instead of flying off into space, so when we add more carbon dioxide to the atmosphere more of this heat is being absorbed instead of flying off into space. You've failed to contradict me: co2 traps heat.
Why would I need to compare it to water vapor? Oh dur hur hur, an elephant is bigger than a lion, qed lions dont exist? I keep thinking Im going to get to the bottom of this pit of stupid, but it just keeps going deeper.
Quite right, water vapor a positive driver, if it gets hotter, there will be more of it and it more effectively traps heat, this exacerbates the heat trapping produced by that little trace of co2. Well, as if 30 billion tons is trivial.
Quite right, water vapor a positive driver, if it gets hotter, there will be more of it and it more effectively traps heat, this exacerbates the heat trapping produced by that little trace of co2. Well, as if 30 billion tons is trivial.
And he's on your local TV news' weather segment?
Yes, he's the chief meteorologist for the station.
What station?
You`ll have a hard time finding many stations at the same elevationif you compare two temperature stations in Hawaii, each at the same elevation and distance to the ocean but one with a higher humidity than the other, which will have a higher daytime temp? the drier one.
water in its various forms has an overall moderating effect on temperatures. while water vapour does trap heat close to the surface it also reduces the density of air which then rises taking heat with it. clouds can have either a positive or negative effect on the energy budget depending on the type and the altitude. the uncertainty involved in just clouds is more than enough to totally swamp the effect of CO2.
Yes, he's the chief meteorologist for the station.
What station?
Channel two in Reno, his name is Mike Alger if you really want to know, just ask, it's no secret!
"positive driver" ...all You do is echo typical sensational buzzwords this crap science invented to impress gullible people like You who don`t have a clue.Quite right, water vapor a positive driver, if it gets hotter, there will be more of it and it more effectively traps heat, this exacerbates the heat trapping produced by that little trace of co2. Well, as if 30 billion tons is trivial.
"positive driver" ...all You do is echo typical sensational buzzwords this crap science invented to impress gullible people like You who don`t have a clue.Quite right, water vapor a positive driver, if it gets hotter, there will be more of it and it more effectively traps heat, this exacerbates the heat trapping produced by that little trace of co2. Well, as if 30 billion tons is trivial.
If I`m wrong and You do, then define "positive driver".
So how, as You say, is water a 'positive driver" and "does more effectively trap even more heat"..???
When water evaporates it consumes no less than 40.7 kJ per mol.
Huge industrial cooling systems take advantage of that to cool water by letting a small portion of it evaporate and then recycle the so cooled remaining water.
And the wild blue yonder You call "the environment" works exactly the same way...although I suspect You don`t get out of Your city apartment often enough to experience what normal people call environment. Else You would know that it`s cooler during a hot summer day above a large body of water than it is over a dry desert. Furthermore the moist air is so much lighter than dry air that it rapidly rises, expands and cools...by 6.4 deg C per each 1000 meters altitude....till it`s at an altitude where it`s cool enough to hit the dew point, forms clouds, condenses and falls back to the ground either as water drops, cooler than the body of water from where it evaporated, as ice from a towering cumulus with updrafts violent enough to rip jetliners to pieces and produce hail storms, or as snow in the colder regions such as the one where I live.
We only get snow here if we get a mass of warm moist air from the U.S.
Greenland and Ellesmere Island glaciers also grow only when warm & moist air from the south invades these latitudes and all the ice in the antarctic came from regions that were warm enough to evaporate large amounts of water.
So how exactly is water a "positive driver"...of temperature...???
That kind of "positive driver",..crap comes from the same batch of crack heads that could not wait for Marihuana to be legalized...
They also hug trees to enjoy "positive energy" or experience "negative energy" hauntings and other hallucinations when their dope high wears off, which essentially disqualifies them for any regular job except "climatology" which is Government funded and paid for with the taxes that people with real jobs are paying. If water is a "positive driver" then we are sure as hell headed for doomsday and You better start shopping like the National Geographic`s dooms day "preppers"
Because 7/10 th of the earth`s surface is water and I sure as shit won`t park my Ford F150 and be fool enough to buy a Chevy Volt because of Your psychotic CO2 anxieties.
What station?
Channel two in Reno, his name is Mike Alger if you really want to know, just ask, it's no secret!
Gotha. Sounds like a pretty good guy, having an undergrad degree in some technical, if unrealted subjects, from lil old Whitman in Southeast WA. Plus even came sorta close to a Rhodes Scolarship which is pretty good.
But you'll note that his Meteorology "Credentials" are of the sort that I mentioned when we veered onto this tanget, a coupla days back. It's a multiple choice test, along with an annual fee, so nice looking and chipper folks can be real live METEOROLOGISTS!!! with realtive ease, whether having some chemisty, communcations, theology or whatever background. The top qualification is looking good on TV.
And to suggest those folks are somehow better qualified than Climatologists at NOAA, etc, etc, is patently absurd.
No, water vapor is an overall negative driver. Water has the unique ability to absorb and hold heat without getting warmer..
Wow, idiot, just wow. Please dont test these insane hypothesis against reality, you will scald yourself right into the ER.
You do realize there are places that are cold, and dont have much moisture at the same time? You only have a meager understanding of the world, like a child with a picture book. The climate doesnt carry any humidity to the region, so the region has no water. Think about it, theres places where its hot and humid. Also, have you ever heard people say "its the humidity" or "at least its a dry heat"?the desert will be a lot warmer because of a decided lack of water vapor.
Therefore, less of it is going into space then? TA DAAIt absorbs Infrared light that has a wavelength of 15 µm and when the specific molecular bond oscillator is maxed out it immediately re-emits it in all directions, in a 360 deg steradian angle.
You mean to tell me that co2 has a temperature of zero degrees kelvin?It does not retain any of the energy it absorbed.
explain deserts next to the ocean.Of course it is. That is why deserts burn during the day while coastal regions don't. Humidity the the factor that explains the difference between the daytime temperatures.
climate isnt weather, you want a climate scientist.meteorologist
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Huge industrial cooling systems take advantage of that to cool water by letting a small portion of it evaporate and then recycle the so cooled remaining water.
Ok, you seem to understand that water absorbs heat, even when it is in a vapor form, and that industry uses this property to carry heat away from the heat source, allow some of it to escape and the rest to to cool (which takes time) and then pump it back through again, since there is some escaping, they must replenish this or it will all evaporate eventually. So where is the disconnect? There is water vapor in the air, instead of heat radiating off of the earth into space with nothing to stop it, there is an atmosphere that absorbs this heat, like a heat sponge. the end result is that all of the heat hasnt escaped by the next morning. It really isnt complicated.
No, water vapor is an overall negative driver. Water has the unique ability to absorb and hold heat without getting warmer..
Wow, idiot, just wow. Please dont test these insane hypothesis against reality, you will scald yourself right into the ER.
You do realize there are places that are cold, and dont have much moisture at the same time? You only have a meager understanding of the world, like a child with a picture book. The climate doesnt carry any humidity to the region, so the region has no water. Think about it, theres places where its hot and humid. Also, have you ever heard people say "its the humidity" or "at least its a dry heat"?
Therefore, less of it is going into space then? TA DAA
You mean to tell me that co2 has a temperature of zero degrees kelvin?
explain deserts next to the ocean.
climate isnt weather, you want a climate scientist.
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Huge industrial cooling systems take advantage of that to cool water by letting a small portion of it evaporate and then recycle the so cooled remaining water.
Ok, you seem to understand that water absorbs heat, even when it is in a vapor form, and that industry uses this property to carry heat away from the heat source, allow some of it to escape and the rest to to cool (which takes time) and then pump it back through again, since there is some escaping, they must replenish this or it will all evaporate eventually. So where is the disconnect? There is water vapor in the air, instead of heat radiating off of the earth into space with nothing to stop it, there is an atmosphere that absorbs this heat, like a heat sponge. the end result is that all of the heat hasnt escaped by the next morning. It really isnt complicated.
PB has more scientific knowledge in his little pinky than you do in your whole body.
Shit, IFR and advanced glider pilots have a firmer grasp of atmospheric science than do climatologists.Channel two in Reno, his name is Mike Alger if you really want to know, just ask, it's no secret!
Gotha. Sounds like a pretty good guy, having an undergrad degree in some technical, if unrealted subjects, from lil old Whitman in Southeast WA. Plus even came sorta close to a Rhodes Scolarship which is pretty good.
But you'll note that his Meteorology "Credentials" are of the sort that I mentioned when we veered onto this tanget, a coupla days back. It's a multiple choice test, along with an annual fee, so nice looking and chipper folks can be real live METEOROLOGISTS!!! with realtive ease, whether having some chemisty, communcations, theology or whatever background. The top qualification is looking good on TV.
And to suggest those folks are somehow better qualified than Climatologists at NOAA, etc, etc, is patently absurd.
Yeah, that's true. However someone with a METEOROLOGY degree actually does have a much stronger foundation in science than a climatologist. I actually took meteorology classes when I was getting my undergrad so am familiar with the science and it is quite exact, and difficult.
