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The ruling, authorised by Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt, comes after medical research conclusively showed smokers take longer to recover from surgery.
Then it's for their own benefit...
do you think that addicts should be given special treatment? Why should they take up space in the hospital when they refuse to take responsibility for their own health concerns?
They should be given the option... you can have the surgery or your addiction... your choice...![]()
RGS: I have an idea.
rather than insult me about my supposed lack of reasoning power, why not showcaseYOURS by actually addressing this point:
and again: my overriding point has been that politics and society will move that cost/benefit/risk management line AND medical technology will move that line. If you do not like where the line is, you can either get involved in politics or you can get involved in medical research, or both.
or you can whine about those damned democratic socialists ruining your damned country.
whine on with your bad self!![]()
The ruling, authorised by Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt, comes after medical research conclusively showed smokers take longer to recover from surgery.
Then it's for their own benefit...
do you think that addicts should be given special treatment? Why should they take up space in the hospital when they refuse to take responsibility for their own health concerns?
They should be given the option... you can have the surgery or your addiction... your choice...![]()
RGS: I have an idea.
rather than insult me about my supposed lack of reasoning power, why not showcaseYOURS by actually addressing this point:
and again: my overriding point has been that politics and society will move that cost/benefit/risk management line AND medical technology will move that line. If you do not like where the line is, you can either get involved in politics or you can get involved in medical research, or both.
or you can whine about those damned democratic socialists ruining your damned country.
whine on with your bad self!![]()
The ruling, authorised by Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt, comes after medical research conclusively showed smokers take longer to recover from surgery.
Then it's for their own benefit...
do you think that addicts should be given special treatment? Why should they take up space in the hospital when they refuse to take responsibility for their own health concerns?
They should be given the option... you can have the surgery or your addiction... your choice...![]()
The US does this as well as many insurance companies will not cover an elective surgery if a smoker doesn't quit for at least four weeks in advance.
Once again your trying to use word games and trying to dictate what can and can not be discussed. I suggest you start seeing a shrink about your anger problems, I am getting tired of them. You have NO position it would seem related to what the rest of us are discussing.
The conservatives who want to smoke hate it when people tell them that they aren't going to benefit from it and have to decide between smoting or a surgery yet I suspect that they would defend free-market doctors denying care for the same reasons as it is typical for smokers to be denied health insurance or maybe that is different in the minds of these retards.![]()
The English want you to stop smoking for thirty days before they perform any operation on you. They aren't saying you have to quit altogether. If that is as big of a problem to you as it apparently is to shogun, by all means, don't move to England.
And they aren't saying you have to be healthy to be operated on... just that you quit for thirty days prior to the operation. Their experience has shown that those that do stop heal faster. Those that don't, don't.
The smokers don't like it because they obviously think it impinges upon their right to kill themselves in whatever manner they see fit. And as I have said on this thread over and over and over again... if anyone wants to kill themselves through smoking, by all means... go for it... I frankly, don't give a damn...
I find it curious and somewhat amusing as to why you and your sidekick RSR keep referring to my "anger problems". I am not the least bit angry at anything other than the fact that we are in Iraq and keeping digging the hole deeper there. I certainly have no complaints about health care.
And I am discussing the faux outrage of the right about this issue - as if this is the first time that government or society has used risk management/cost-benefit analysis templates that have included personal behavior and responsibility....which is certainly part of this discussion.
I find it curious and somewhat amusing as to why you and your sidekick RSR keep referring to my "anger problems". I am not the least bit angry at anything other than the fact that we are in Iraq and keeping digging the hole deeper there. I certainly have no complaints about health care.
And I am discussing the faux outrage of the right about this issue - as if this is the first time that government or society has used risk management/cost-benefit analysis templates that have included personal behavior and responsibility....which is certainly part of this discussion.
The problem with liberals is they think government can solve everything
the problem with conservatives is they they you can solve everything on your own.
I go back to, everyone needs a support system, that doesnt have to be government, but if government were small and efficient, and only helped those who truly need it, then we would be a better nation.
The support system, once called a safety net, is now a fricking king size bed - and getting bigger
You are completely correct...