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[Litwin]

Moscow back in 1812

yes , ivan

watch this :

 

[Litwin]

There is no alternative to Ukraine in NATO. "Israel model" requires Ukraine to have nuclear weapons. "Korea model" requires massive U.S. troop deployment. Both of these are false ideas

 

[Litwin]

someone please translate.

 

[Richard-H]

I may rejoin the discussion if you can be grownup enough to stop that nonsense.

What makes you think that anyone cares if you rejoin the discussion?

 

[Silver Cat]

There is no alternative to Ukraine in NATO. "Israel model" requires Ukraine to have nuclear weapons. "Korea model" requires massive U.S. troop deployment. Both of these are false ideas

Actually, just "to have nuclear weapons" is not sufficient. Israel has overwhelming nuclear superiority over its neighbors. And the USA itself doesn't have it over Russia.
And, of course, nuclear weapons in Ukraine will be much more provocative than the Soviet nuclear weapons in Cuba back in 1962.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

July 10, 2023

Ukraine SitRep: 'Mosquito' Tactics - S-200 Land Attacks​

The U.S./NATO doctrine, as it had been taught to the Ukrainian units that were prepared for the counter-offensive, has failed.

As a comment allegedly made on a forum of veterans of the West Point Academy describes it:

Classic attacks under our combat regulations involve the preliminary suppression and destruction of enemy defensive positions by artillery and aircraft, as well as the simultaneous destruction of its combat controls to the depth of the defense zone and the prevention of the approaches of its reserves. Since Ukrainians have almost no aviation and they are significantly inferior to the Russians in the amount of artillery, classic attacks lead to nothing but a massive loss of expensive military equipment on the way to Russian positions, disorganization and demoralization of attackers with subsequent retreat. Almost three weeks of such attacks could not break through the Russian support band, in addition, as I was told by the G-3 from USAR EUR-AF in Stuttgart, they lost up to a quarter of our Bradleys, and they are now forced to urgently send two companies of Bradleys and a large quantity of other equipment to replenish and restore the combat readiness of two brigades of the Ukrainian strike unit.

Moon of Alabama

The WEF is DETERMINED to fight to the last Ukrainian! They won't make peace, they have no chance of winning. All off Ukraine east of the Dnieper will be Russian held, the WEF can keep the 5 to 8 million that will be left in Ukraine to the West

The WEF can still blow up ZNPP and go hide in their bunkers, hoping for WWIII

 

[CrusaderFrank]

They did take Moscow back in 1812, 1609, 1571 and 1382. So what? They were defeated in the wars.
And back in 1991 Ukraine declared equal rights for all citizens (including ethnic Russians) as well as neutrality and hospitality for the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Russia can tolerate independence of neutral and democratic Ukraine, but Russia can't tolerate existence of Nazistic abusive pro-NATO regime.

"And back in 1991 Ukraine declared equal rights for all citizens (including ethnic Russians) as well as neutrality and hospitality for the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Russia can tolerate independence of neutral and democratic Ukraine, but Russia can't tolerate existence of Nazistic abusive pro-NATO regime."

^ that's the essence of the entire situation in two awesome sentences!!!

 

[toomuchtime_]

"And back in 1991 Ukraine declared equal rights for all citizens (including ethnic Russians) as well as neutrality and hospitality for the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Russia can tolerate independence of neutral and democratic Ukraine, but Russia can't tolerate existence of Nazistic abusive pro-NATO regime."

^ that's the essence of the entire situation in two awesome sentences!!!

Neither Ukraine nor NATO posed any threat to Russia's security, so Russia will have to tolerate a pro-western Ukraine. To argue otherwise is to argue that any powerful nation is entitled to take anything it wants from any weaker nation.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Neither Ukraine nor NATO posed any threat to Russia's security, so Russia will have to tolerate a pro-western Ukraine. To argue otherwise is to argue that any powerful nation is entitled to take anything it wants from any weaker nation.

Pretend all you want. Click your heels together three times and say "there are no Nazis in Ukraine"

 

[toomuchtime_]

Pretend all you want. Click your heels together three times and say "there are no Nazis in Ukraine"

The Nazis you see are in your brain, and you should try to get treatment fo that as soon as possible.

 

[Silver Cat]

Neither Ukraine nor NATO posed any threat to Russia's security, so Russia will have to tolerate a pro-western Ukraine.

Really? Do you want to say, that Mexico, Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan and Cuba posed any threat to America's security?

To argue otherwise is to argue that any powerful nation is entitled to take anything it wants from any weaker nation.

I argue that weaker nations should not create significant threats to stronger nations without really good reasons. To be simultaneously weak and aggressive it's not the way to live long and safe life.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Really? Do you want to say, that Mexico, Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan and Cuba posed any threat to America's security?



I argue that weaker nations should not create significant threats to stronger nations without really good reasons. To be simultaneously weak and aggressive it's not the way to live long and safe life.

Obviously you understand that neither Ukraine nor NATO posed any threat to Russia's security and that's why you are trying to change the subject.

 

[Silver Cat]

Obviously you understand that neither Ukraine nor NATO posed any threat to Russia's security and that's why you are trying to change the subject.

Of course they pose the threat to Russia's security. America's missiles in Ukraine are less acceptable for Russia, than Soviet missiles on Cuba were to the USA. And Ukrainian nuclear program is pose much more serious threat to Russia, than Iraqis WMD-program posed to the USA.

 

[Litwin]

And Ukrainian nuclear program

Ukrainian nuclear program exist only on your RT.ru

ps great news

 

[Litwin]

Actually, just "to have nuclear weapons" is not sufficient. Israel has overwhelming nuclear superiority over its neighbors. And the USA itself doesn't have it over Russia.
And, of course, nuclear weapons in Ukraine will be much more provocative than the Soviet nuclear weapons in Cuba back in 1962.

couple of nukes will be enough you ivan(s) are the worst cowards out there ...

 

[Litwin]

Obviously you understand that neither Ukraine nor NATO posed any threat to Russia's security and that's why you are trying to change the subject.

 

[Litwin]

"Everything is going according to plan."
-Saddam Putsein

 

[Litwin]

 

[Litwin]

What makes you think that anyone cares if you rejoin the discussion?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Of course they pose the threat to Russia's security. America's missiles in Ukraine are less acceptable for Russia, than Soviet missiles on Cuba were to the USA. And Ukrainian nuclear program is pose much more serious threat to Russia, than Iraqis WMD-program posed to the USA.

Maybe you don't understand what the word, threat, means.

threat
noun

1. 1.​
   a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.
   "members of her family have received death threats"
   Similar:
   

   threatening remark​

   warning
   ultimatum​

   intimidating remark​

   commination
   menaces
   menacing​

   ​
2. 2.​
   a person or thing likely to cause damage or danger.
   "hurricane damage poses a major threat to many coastal communities"​
3. ​
4. Clearly, neither Ukraine nor NATO posed any threat to Russia's security. ​

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