UN Admits: Palestinians used UN schools to launch rockets and store weapons

[Phoenall]

Israel is responsible first and foremost for the security of its people.

I agree, but that doesn't justify war crimes. Such crimes are, by their nature, not worth the military gain from engaging in them. They represent a gross neglect of human rights and a clear violation of international laws that Israel is a party to and has agreed to abide by. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's why we have created a common consensus concerning the rules of war and delineated what is and isn't acceptable. Israel has simply routinely engaged in military acts that are well within the realm of that which has been deemed unacceptable, barbaric, and inhumane.

So Israel is supposed to not fight back, not defend itself, while Hamas commits all these war crimes unmolested?

Not at all. Israel is merely expected not to engage in war crimes and indiscriminate violence of its own.

How do you defeat an enemy who hides within civilians and refuses to fight you like a man without harming those civilians he is hiding within? It can't be done. Your answer makes it easier for such people to win battles. Those who are willing to do what must be done survive, those who don't die. Watch The Walking Dead Online Streaming Stream TV Free

The harming of civilians isn't in and of itself a war crime. The indiscriminate targeting of civilians and the failure of individual strikes to meet the proportionality requirements is. I also prefer not to get my morals from a fictional TV show.

You have described just how hamas engage in war, and there is no legal concept of proportionality it is just something some moron dreamt up

 

[Phoenall]

This cowardly form of warfare is very common in Muslim countries.

U.S. Troops Battle Insurgents In Mosque - CBS News

U.S. Accuses Iraq of Using Mosque As Military Base

Aww. Can't adequately discuss the specific topic of the thread - attempt to deflect to a new topic through antagonism. No thanks.

The fact that Hamas not unlike other Islamist animals routinely uses its own population as shields, is the topic.

So what does it say about Israel when It acts like Hamas and other said animals? Anyone with pride in Israel should be adamantly opposed to it debasing itself through gross acts of criminal violence.

How about a link from a non partisan source that says Israel fires rockets from civilian areas and uses it civilian population to protect them. Because that is what you have just accused Israel of to take the heat away from hamas.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel is responsible first and foremost for the security of its people.

I agree, but that doesn't justify war crimes. Such crimes are, by their nature, not worth the military gain from engaging in them. They represent a gross neglect of human rights and a clear violation of international laws that Israel is a party to and has agreed to abide by. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's why we have created a common consensus concerning the rules of war and delineating what is and isn't acceptable. Israel has simply routinely engaged in military acts that are well within the realm of that which has been deemed unacceptable, barbaric, and inhumane.

Why don't you preach to yourself then? Like I said U.S. and forces from other nations routinely had to engage when fired upon from schools, mosques, and hospitals.

And that can be acceptable. This is where the international legal concept of proportionality (which I have already explained) comes into play. Not every attack against say, a mosque, school, or hospital is a war crime. It must meet certain conditions in order to be judged as such.

Rrrrright, and you want nations dealing with Islamist animals to make such detailed judgment calls, in the heat of an all out war?

If you don't have military command structures that are capable of such things then you're army is pretty bad.

How about the animals who are using their own people as shields and in fact rejoice when innocents die, in order to use them as props for media consumption?

We label them as animals and terrorists. If you feel like Israel should relish that company then by all means support their violations of the laws of war.

What violations of the laws of war, and can you link to the International body that enforces these laws of war.

 

[Phoenall]

So Israel is supposed to not fight back, not defend itself, while Hamas commits all these war crimes unmolested?

Not at all. Israel is merely expected not to engage in war crimes and indiscriminate violence of its own.

How do you defeat an enemy who hides within civilians and refuses to fight you like a man without harming those civilians he is hiding within? It can't be done. Your answer makes it easier for such people to win battles. Those who are willing to do what must be done survive, those who don't die. Watch The Walking Dead Online Streaming Stream TV Free

The harming of civilians isn't in and of itself a war crime. The indiscriminate targeting of civilians and the failure of individual strikes to meet the proportionality requirements is. I also prefer not to get my morals from a fictional TV show.

It is proportional to use whatever force is necessary to KILL your enemy so they can't try to kill you any longer. To use less force than that would be stupid.

That's not what the term proportionality means. That is a common misconception. proportionality legally speaking is the strategic value of striking a target relative to the damage it is likely to do to civilians and their property. If the end result is that the strategic value of a strike can't be reconciled with the civilian cost associated with it then it fails the proportionality requirement.

UNEDUCATED WAFFLE and BULLSHIT. The art of war is to take out your enemies military before he gets a chance to take out yours. You need to stop reading the left wing websites that are confusing your brain with such tripe. In your4 scenario all a side need do is use civilian areas to fire from and the other side ant fight back because it would breach your law of proportionality if 1 civilian was killed in the process. Why do you think that engaging in war from civilian areas is deemed a war crime and has been made illegal under the Geneva conventions

 

[Phoenall]

This cowardly form of warfare is very common in Muslim countries.

U.S. Troops Battle Insurgents In Mosque - CBS News

U.S. Accuses Iraq of Using Mosque As Military Base

Aww. Can't adequately discuss the specific topic of the thread - attempt to deflect to a new topic through antagonism. No thanks.

The fact that Hamas not unlike other Islamist animals routinely uses its own population as shields, is the topic.

So what does it say about Israel when It acts like Hamas and other said animals? Anyone with pride in Israel should be adamantly opposed to it debasing itself through gross acts of criminal violence.

You obviously can't tell the difference between terrorists who use their own people as shields, and those who defend themselves from them.

By mowing down swaths of human shields - a war crime worthy of any terrorist organization. The fact that you may personally not care about the lives of civilians outside of Israel doesn't mean that it is legal to slaughter them wholesale (nor should it be considered to be legal) I'd also invite you to examine the historical use of the neighbor policy within Israeli military practices.

You do realise that once a person acts as a human shield they are no longer civilians, so they then become militia and are valid military targets. That is a fact written into the Geneva conventions, that overrules your half baked notions of proportionality and war crimes

 

[fanger]

Israel shows that it doesn't care about international treaties or the Laws of warfare, may Karma bring that down on them too

 

[Phoenall]

The fact that Hamas not unlike other Islamist animals routinely uses its own population as shields, is the topic.

So what does it say about Israel when It acts like Hamas and other said animals? Anyone with pride in Israel should be adamantly opposed to it debasing itself through gross acts of criminal violence.

You obviously can't tell the difference between terrorists who use their own people as shields, and those who defend themselves from them.

By mowing down swaths of human shields - a war crime worthy of any terrorist organization. I'd also invite you to examine the historical use of the neighbor policy within Israeli military practices.

Israel did not mow down swaths of human shields intentionally, asshole.

That's what bombing a school full of civilians is.

They didn't they bombed an illegal rocket launcher in the vicinity of the school, and the UN admits this was the case.

 

[Phoenall]

How do you defeat an enemy who hides within civilians and refuses to fight you like a man without harming those civilians he is hiding within? It can't be done. Your answer makes it easier for such people to win battles. Those who are willing to do what must be done survive, those who don't die. Watch The Walking Dead Online Streaming Stream TV Free

The harming of civilians isn't in and of itself a war crime. The indiscriminate targeting of civilians and the failure of individual strikes to meet the proportionality requirements is. I also prefer not to get my morals from a fictional TV show.

It is proportional to use whatever force is necessary to KILL your enemy so they can't try to kill you any longer. To use less force than that would be stupid.

That's not what the term proportionality means. That is a common misconception. proportionality legally speaking is the strategic value of striking a target relative to the damage it is likely to do to civilians and their property. If the end result is that the strategic value of a strike can't be reconciled with the civilian cost associated with it then it fails the proportionality requirement.

Your statement is based on opinion of whoever is picked to judge what is proportional or not. Is it proportional for 2 civilians to die while killing one enemy combatant? I think it shouldn't matter as long as the enemy combatant dies. The civilians shouldn't of been there.

Proportionality is based on well documented legal precedent of what constitutes adequate justification that we started to put together as an international community during WWII and after when we tried the Nazis for various war crimes. Israel is well aware of these boundaries and its military well versed in them; ignoring them is a deliberate act.

No such legal concept as proportionality, it is a red herring

 

[fanger]

Aww. Can't adequately discuss the specific topic of the thread - attempt to deflect to a new topic through antagonism. No thanks.

The fact that Hamas not unlike other Islamist animals routinely uses its own population as shields, is the topic.

So what does it say about Israel when It acts like Hamas and other said animals? Anyone with pride in Israel should be adamantly opposed to it debasing itself through gross acts of criminal violence.

You obviously can't tell the difference between terrorists who use their own people as shields, and those who defend themselves from them.

By mowing down swaths of human shields - a war crime worthy of any terrorist organization. The fact that you may personally not care about the lives of civilians outside of Israel doesn't mean that it is legal to slaughter them wholesale (nor should it be considered to be legal) I'd also invite you to examine the historical use of the neighbor policy within Israeli military practices.

You do realise that once a person acts as a human shield they are no longer civilians, so they then become militia and are valid military targets. That is a fact written into the Geneva conventions, that overrules your half baked notions of proportionality and war crimes

Did they consent?

 

[Phoenall]

Israel shows that it doesn't care about international treaties or the Laws of warfare, may Karma bring that down on them too

LINKS

 

[Phoenall]

The fact that Hamas not unlike other Islamist animals routinely uses its own population as shields, is the topic.

So what does it say about Israel when It acts like Hamas and other said animals? Anyone with pride in Israel should be adamantly opposed to it debasing itself through gross acts of criminal violence.

You obviously can't tell the difference between terrorists who use their own people as shields, and those who defend themselves from them.

By mowing down swaths of human shields - a war crime worthy of any terrorist organization. The fact that you may personally not care about the lives of civilians outside of Israel doesn't mean that it is legal to slaughter them wholesale (nor should it be considered to be legal) I'd also invite you to examine the historical use of the neighbor policy within Israeli military practices.

You do realise that once a person acts as a human shield they are no longer civilians, so they then become militia and are valid military targets. That is a fact written into the Geneva conventions, that overrules your half baked notions of proportionality and war crimes

Did they consent?

Did they object and move away ?

 

[Phoenall]

Why don't you preach to yourself then? Like I said U.S. and forces from other nations routinely had to engage when fired upon from schools, mosques, and hospitals.

And that can be acceptable. This is where the international legal concept of proportionality (which I have already explained) comes into play. Not every attack against say, a mosque, school, or hospital is a war crime. It must meet certain conditions in order to be judged as such.

Rrrrright, and you want nations dealing with Islamist animals to make such detailed judgment calls, in the heat of an all out war?

If you don't have military command structures that are capable of such things then you're army is pretty bad.

How about the animals who are using their own people as shields and in fact rejoice when innocents die, in order to use them as props for media consumption?

We label them as animals and terrorists. If you feel like Israel should relish that company then by all means support their violations of the laws of war.

War isn't a pretty thing, moron. Mistakes do happen and innocents get killed. Remind us again how many have gotten killed in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan during U.S. Actions?

Once again attempting to point to other gross crimes in order to justify one that you happen to support is pretty barbaric. That's what terrorists do.

Unproven crimes are not crimes are they so until you can get the ICC to act and bring Israel up on charges you are posting RACIST LIES that will not do any case brought in the future any favours. Do you understand the term sub Judicee

 

[Phoenall]

You obviously can't tell the difference between terrorists who use their own people as shields, and those who defend themselves from them.

By mowing down swaths of human shields - a war crime worthy of any terrorist organization. I'd also invite you to examine the historical use of the neighbor policy within Israeli military practices.

Israel did not mow down swaths of human shields intentionally, asshole.

That's what bombing a school full of civilians is.

No. That's what so storing and shooting rockets from a school by Hamas animals is.

The two are not mutually exclusive. It was a war crime for Hamas to use the school to store weapons at and it was a war crime for Israel to mow down a group of innocent human shields in order for marginal/negligible strategic gain.

Then when was the court case finding Israel guilty of such a crime ? Hamas have been publicly slated for their war crimes by the UN and the ICC, when was Israel ?

 

[Phoenall]

Rrrrright, and you want nations dealing with Islamist animals to make such detailed judgment calls, in the heat of an all out war?

If you don't have military command structures that are capable of such things then you're army is pretty bad.

How about the animals who are using their own people as shields and in fact rejoice when innocents die, in order to use them as props for media consumption?

We label them as animals and terrorists. If you feel like Israel should relish that company then by all means support their violations of the laws of war.

War isn't a pretty thing, moron. Mistakes do happen and innocents get killed. Remind us again how many have gotten killed in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Pakistan during U.S. Actions?

Once again attempting to point to other gross crimes in order to justify one that you happen to support is pretty barbaric. That's what terrorists do.

Israel hasn't been charged with gross crimes. Israel never kills innocents intentionally. Palestinian animals do. It's a Muslim thing.

Of course the Israelis have been accused of "gross crimes".

Islamonazi spouting islamonazi propaganda. She did not dare say anything outside the house

 

[aris2chat]

I noticed you used not a single link, but the use of cluster bombs is not war crime, neither are striking "apartment blocks" or "UN schools" if they are being used as weapons depots or firing points. But you can continue spewing nonsense and hoping it sticks.

Terrorist ass kissers do that often. They blurt out accusations and propaganda and when you ask them for proof they have nothing or quickly change the subject.

Rulings by previous UN inquiries are hardly a secret.

Show us when Israel has been found guilty of war crimes.

It found itself guilty of aiding the massacres at Sabra and Shatila through the Kahan Commission. Outside of that there have been numerous ruling on the illegality of the settlement movement, the wall construction and semi-complete verdicts on past acts of violence such as the Goldstone report. Israel simply has a protector (the US) in the security Council that prevents the security council itself from formally recognizing the illegality of such acts.

I see, so that's the best you got? Christians in Lebanon committing a revenge killing because Muslims had done so much of the same and worse to them? Pathetic

Lebanese military had been made to stand down during the war and police had no authority to enter the camps. The various factions were disarming, but Syrian forces still controlled Lebanon.
Who was going to make the palestinians pay or disarm them? Fighters were supposed to have left with Arafat. Some 2000 remained in the camps in violation of the agreement to let Arafat escape to Tunisia.
It was not the 'christians' or Lebanon giving the orders to massacre. The christians went in to remove the remaining fighters so they could be processed out of the country. There was fighting in some areas, but the so called massacre was ordered by syria. Assad gave the order to Hardane, and he in turn gave the order to Hobeika, and he gave instructions to some of his commanders.
200 christians entered the camps on foot, an area a bit smaller than central park that was made up of several camps that was populated by around 20,000+ palestinians to remove around 2000 well armed fighters. The actual fighting was only a few blocks across two camps, most was at the hospital where the palestinians had artillery on the roof and a base inside, and tunnels from there connection a large network of stockpiled supplies throughout the camps. The shababs remained for around 30 hours. The remaining palestinian fighters had booby-trapped the camps, even their own families if there was a search. As much as the operation was revenged based or a reflex after the assassination of the president elect, it was not a massacre. A few hundred were killed. At the time it was not know that Hobeika was also involved in the assassination on Syrian orders.
Not an excuse but most of the killings involved Mashaaiani's group. He had been known to shared heroin and cocaine with his man to make them less inhibited. They were also the ones around the gaza hospital engaging in combat.

 

[Roudy]

Israel arrests and imprisons Palestinian leaders without needing any arrest warrant, or charges

pfffft! Israel arrests Palestinian terrorists.

Hamas is a terrorist organization according to the US state dept., remember, goozo?

 

[Roudy]

Terrorist ass kissers do that often. They blurt out accusations and propaganda and when you ask them for proof they have nothing or quickly change the subject.

Rulings by previous UN inquiries are hardly a secret.

Show us when Israel has been found guilty of war crimes.

It found itself guilty of aiding the massacres at Sabra and Shatila through the Kahan Commission. Outside of that there have been numerous ruling on the illegality of the settlement movement, the wall construction and semi-complete verdicts on past acts of violence such as the Goldstone report. Israel simply has a protector (the US) in the security Council that prevents the security council itself from formally recognizing the illegality of such acts.

I see, so that's the best you got? Christians in Lebanon committing a revenge killing because Muslims had done so much of the same and worse to them? Pathetic

Lebanese military had been made to stand down during the war and police had no authority to enter the camps. The various factions were disarming, but Syrian forces still controlled Lebanon.
Who was going to make the palestinians pay or disarm them? Fighters were supposed to have left with Arafat. Some 2000 remained in the camps in violation of the agreement to let Arafat escape to Tunisia.
It was not the 'christians' or Lebanon giving the orders to massacre. The christians went in to remove the remaining fighters so they could be processed out of the country. There was fighting in some areas, but the so called massacre was ordered by syria. Assad gave the order to Hardane, and he in turn gave the order to Hobeika, and he gave instructions to some of his commanders.
200 christians entered the camps on foot, an area a bit smaller than central park that was made up of several camps that was populated by around 20,000+ palestinians to remove around 2000 well armed fighters. The actual fighting was only a few blocks across two camps, most was at the hospital where the palestinians had artillery on the roof and a base inside, and tunnels from there connection a large network of stockpiled supplies throughout the camps. The shababs remained for around 30 hours. The remaining palestinian fighters had booby-trapped the camps, even their own families if there was a search. As much as the operation was revenged based or a reflex after the assassination of the president elect, it was not a massacre. A few hundred were killed. At the time it was not know that Hobeika was also involved in the assassination on Syrian orders.
Not an excuse but most of the killings involved Mashaaiani's group. He had been known to shared heroin and cocaine with his man to make them less inhibited. They were also the ones around the gaza hospital engaging in combat.

And yet, Israel is blamed for all these atrocities committed by Muslim Palestinians and Syria in Lebanon.

 

[Roudy]

Israel shows that it doesn't care about international treaties or the Laws of warfare, may Karma bring that down on them too

Karma? Bunch of Islamic terrorist animals murdering innocent people all over the world, including in Israel, and goozo speaks of Karma?

Heyvoun, olagh, dahaneh kasifeto beband.

 

[Roudy]

I find it very interesting that despite all the constant demonizing and hatred towards Israel, it has yet to be actually found guilty of a SINGLE war crime.

Yet Muslims openly and flagrantly violate such laws and all norms of decency, humanity, international standards and civility constantly.

 

[Roudy]

Incident (i): Presence of weaponry at the UNRWA Jabalia Elementary “C” and Ayyobiya Boys School on 22 July 2014

60. The Jabalia Elementary “C” and Ayyobiya Boys School is one in a row of five schools situated in an urban area to the east of the Jabalia refugee camp. Behind the school is a large open area with small-scale agricultural land. The Board was informed that this area was known for its use as a firing site for armed groups and that it had been targeted by the IDF in past conflicts.