UN Admits: Palestinians used UN schools to launch rockets and store weapons

It's much more of a crime to use a school to store and launch rockets from. In fact only barbaric animals would use their own children for this purpose.

It is a crime to to hide behind civilians or to attempt to deliberately use civilian safe centers or civilian movements to mask military activity. That crime however doesn't in any way alleviate Israel of its own responsibilities under international law. Trying to justify one gross crime with another is a pretty barbaric act as well.

Palestinians commit the crime of using civilians, especially children as shields all the time. This is nothing new.
 
It's much more of a crime to use a school to store and launch rockets from. In fact only barbaric animals would use their own children for this purpose.

It is a crime to to hide behind civilians or to attempt to deliberately use civilian safe centers or civilian movements to mask military activity. That crime however doesn't in any way alleviate Israel of its own responsibilities under international law. Trying to justify one gross crime with another is a pretty barbaric act as well.

Palestinians commit the crime of using civilians, especially children as shields all the time. This is nothing new.

It isn't. I agree. But that doesn't in any way change Israel's responsibilities under international law or let Israel off of the hook for the war crimes that it commits as well.
 
It's much more of a crime to use a school to store and launch rockets from. In fact only barbaric animals would use their own children for this purpose.

It is a crime to to hide behind civilians or to attempt to deliberately use civilian safe centers or civilian movements to mask military activity.
And what is the punishment for committing that crime, a stern lecture?

Nothing too serious directly. The loss of moral face, the loss of international support over time, being able to legitimately be called an entity that engages in war crimes. It is generally propaganda gold for those who oppose various administrations.
 
It's much more of a crime to use a school to store and launch rockets from. In fact only barbaric animals would use their own children for this purpose.

It is a crime to to hide behind civilians or to attempt to deliberately use civilian safe centers or civilian movements to mask military activity. That crime however doesn't in any way alleviate Israel of its own responsibilities under international law. Trying to justify one gross crime with another is a pretty barbaric act as well.

Palestinians commit the crime of using civilians, especially children as shields all the time. This is nothing new.

It isn't. I agree. But that doesn't in any way change Israel's responsibilities under international law or let Israel off of the hook for the war crimes that it commits as well.

Israel is responsible first and foremost for the security of its people.

Report: Over a Dozen Hamas Terrorists Admit to Use of Hospitals, Kindergartens and Mosques for Military Activity


A number of Hamas operatives who were arrested and detained by Israel during Operation Protective Edge admitted to the use of civilian establishments, such as mosques, schools and hospitals, as covers for terrorist activity, according to a report released on Monday by the Israel Security Agency (ISA).

The report cites extensive and detailed testimony from the Hamas members to support Israel’s long maintained assertion that the group operates behind human shields, which often accounts for civilian casualties as it exchanges blows with the Jewish state.

The report came as the Hamas controlled Gaza religious affairs ministry claimed Israeli fire throughout Monday destroyed four mosques, raising to 71 the alleged total number of mosques targeted over the past seven weeks.

Detained militants Muhammad Ala’a and Muwaz Abu Tim told ISA they were recruited for Hamas military activity at the Alabrar and Khaled Ben Alulid mosques in Khan Yunis and Bani Suheila, respectively. Another militant, Abdel Rahman Balousha, said the Alsafa and Alabra mosques in Khan Yunis serve as meeting points for Hamas terrorists. He added that in the Alabra mosque the assembly point is in an underground shelter.

Iyad Abu Rida said that the Hamas-affiliated Jamaat Asnad association is located on the second floor of the Altikva mosque in Hazara while another Hamas operative said terrorists used the same mosque to pass along orders regarding where to plant improvised explosive devices to target Israelis.

Another pair of Hamas terrorists said armed police activity was carried out adjacent to the Uthman ibn Ifan and Abdallah ibn Masoud mosques in the Alkheif junction area, the Hassan Albana and Abu Dir mosques, and the Haroun Alrashid school.

Another detainee, Muhammad Ramadan, told ISA that in February 2014 he trained as an anti-tank fighter in a hall located underneath the Alshafi mosque in his hometown of Khan Yunis. He added that the hall is also used as a training and instruction facility for the Izzadin Al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas’s military wing.

Another Hamas operative revealed that Izzadin Al-Qassam Brigade terrorists monitor Israel Defense Force (IDF) movements from the Abad Alrahman mosque, and said that two home-made explosive devices were hidden in the Altoheid mosque.

Khan Yunis native Muhammad Alqadra told ISA that mosques in his hometown were used to conceal war material such as RPGs, heavy PKC machine guns and AK-47s. Additionally, he confirmed that local schools and hospitals, including the Nasser and Halal hospitals, are used as weapon arsenals. It is also well known that senior Hamas leaders and their armed bodyguards, who usually wear police uniforms, use hospitals as hideouts, he said.

According to Alqadra, guards are stationed at the admission department in the Nasser hospital in Khan Yunis. He also believes the Hamas leadership in the Gaza Strip, including senior official Ismail Haniyeh, is hiding in Gaza City’s Shifa hospital in an area closed off to civilians and guarded by plainclothes armed men.

One operative remembered delivering food to his brother, who works for a local terrorist organization, while the latter was hiding in the Nasser hospital.

A different Hamas operative told ISA he believes terrorists are hiding in the Alnajar hospital. He claimed that in July 2013 he saw many terrorists in the three-story hospital building, adding that civilians who needed medical treatment were turned away from the medical facility. Yet another operative said that since the start of the current Israel-Gaza conflict, many armed policeman have been blocking off certain sections of the same hospital and not allowing anyone, including members of patients’ families, to enter.

The ISA report also included testimony from Hamas operative Marad Amr who said he saw a Hamas military vehicle parked outside the European hospital in Khan Yunis.

The report also cited terrorists admitting to digging terror tunnels and rocket launch sites, and placing arsenals near kindergartens in the Gaza Strip. Muhammad Abu Daraz, from Greater Ibsan, said he was stationed in a tunnel that started next to a clinic adjacent to a residential dwelling. He added that there is a kindergarten in Hazara, next to a clinic, to where he was ordered to bring prisoners in the event of a kidnapping.

ISA said information it gathered from the various Hamas terrorists was passed on to the Israel Defense Forces, including warnings about launch sites, attack tunnels and infiltrations, arsenals and booby-trapped access routes.

The report is among the most extensive yet on Hamas’s endangering of civilians in combat and use of civilian structures for military purposes.

Throughout Operation Protective Edge, media reports of the Hamas tactics trickled out of Gaza, but were often later retracted for fear of retribution from Hamas.

After journalists began to leave Gaza a more complete picture began to emerge, with some outlets reporting on rocket launchers in densely populated civilian areas and the Foreign Press Association condemning Hamas’s intimidation of foreign journalists.

In conclusion ISA said: “It is clear from the foregoing that Hamas knowingly and intentionally operates in and adjacent to civilian areas, including in kindergartens, hospitals and mosques in order to carry out military activity. Hamas thus endangers the civilian population even in times of calm given that munitions are liable to go off and put lives at risk. During fighting, Hamas deliberately operates in these locales, thus turning the civilian population into human shields on the assumption that Israel will be blamed for any injury and loss of life.”
 
It's much more of a crime to use a school to store and launch rockets from. In fact only barbaric animals would use their own children for this purpose.

It is a crime to to hide behind civilians or to attempt to deliberately use civilian safe centers or civilian movements to mask military activity. That crime however doesn't in any way alleviate Israel of its own responsibilities under international law. Trying to justify one gross crime with another is a pretty barbaric act as well.

Palestinians commit the crime of using civilians, especially children as shields all the time. This is nothing new.

It isn't. I agree. But that doesn't in any way change Israel's responsibilities under international law or let Israel off of the hook for the war crimes that it commits as well.

Israel is responsible first and foremost for the security of its people.

I agree, but that doesn't justify war crimes. Such crimes are, by their nature, not worth the military gain from engaging in them. They represent a gross neglect of human rights and a clear violation of international laws that Israel is a party to and has agreed to abide by. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's why we have created a common consensus concerning the rules of war and delineated what is and isn't acceptable. Israel has simply routinely engaged in military acts that are well within the realm of that which has been deemed unacceptable, barbaric, and inhumane.
 
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It's much more of a crime to use a school to store and launch rockets from. In fact only barbaric animals would use their own children for this purpose.

It is a crime to to hide behind civilians or to attempt to deliberately use civilian safe centers or civilian movements to mask military activity. That crime however doesn't in any way alleviate Israel of its own responsibilities under international law. Trying to justify one gross crime with another is a pretty barbaric act as well.

Palestinians commit the crime of using civilians, especially children as shields all the time. This is nothing new.

It isn't. I agree. But that doesn't in any way change Israel's responsibilities under international law or let Israel off of the hook for the war crimes that it commits as well.

Israel is responsible first and foremost for the security of its people.

I agree, but that doesn't justify war crimes. Such crimes are, by their nature, not worth the military gain from engaging in them. They represent a gross neglect of human rights and a clear violation of international laws that Israel is a party to and has agreed to abide by. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's why we have created a common consensus concerning the rules of war and delineating what is and isn't acceptable. Israel has simply routinely engaged in military acts that are well within the realm of that which has been deemed unacceptable, barbaric, and inhumane.

Why don't you preach to yourself then? Like I said U.S. and forces from other nations routinely had to engage when fired upon from schools, mosques, and hospitals.

The Islamist way of war
The Islamist way of war is all about war crimes.

Hiding behind civilians, including children; hiding among civilian crowds; not wearing uniforms; using civilian vehicles for attack; hiding in protected-status places like mosques, churches, hospitals and schools; using protected-status vehicles like ambulances to transport weapons and even using them for attack; using UN bases and peacekeepers as cover; taking hostages; denying Red Cross access to POWs, torturing and executing POWs; false surrenders; killing medics who come to help their wounds; and of course targeting civilians, schools, churches, mosques, hospitals, ambulances, buses, shops, restaurants, weddings, funerals, journalists and aid workers
- all of these are just standard Islamist warfare, as we have seen in Palestine and Iraq. These things are not part of US or Israeli warfare, because their morality is superior to Islamist morality.

Anything goes in Islamism. Islamism has no honour, no decency and no morality, and is as depraved as any idea that humanity has ever followed.
 
It's much more of a crime to use a school to store and launch rockets from. In fact only barbaric animals would use their own children for this purpose.

It is a crime to to hide behind civilians or to attempt to deliberately use civilian safe centers or civilian movements to mask military activity. That crime however doesn't in any way alleviate Israel of its own responsibilities under international law. Trying to justify one gross crime with another is a pretty barbaric act as well.

Palestinians commit the crime of using civilians, especially children as shields all the time. This is nothing new.

It isn't. I agree. But that doesn't in any way change Israel's responsibilities under international law or let Israel off of the hook for the war crimes that it commits as well.

Israel is responsible first and foremost for the security of its people.

I agree, but that doesn't justify war crimes. Such crimes are, by their nature, not worth the military gain from engaging in them. They represent a gross neglect of human rights and a clear violation of international laws that Israel is a party to and has agreed to abide by. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's why we have created a common consensus concerning the rules of war and delineated what is and isn't acceptable. Israel has simply routinely engaged in military acts that are well within the realm of that which has been deemed unacceptable, barbaric, and inhumane.
So Israel is supposed to not fight back, not defend itself, while Hamas commits all these war crimes unmolested?
 
It is a crime to to hide behind civilians or to attempt to deliberately use civilian safe centers or civilian movements to mask military activity. That crime however doesn't in any way alleviate Israel of its own responsibilities under international law. Trying to justify one gross crime with another is a pretty barbaric act as well.

Palestinians commit the crime of using civilians, especially children as shields all the time. This is nothing new.

It isn't. I agree. But that doesn't in any way change Israel's responsibilities under international law or let Israel off of the hook for the war crimes that it commits as well.

Israel is responsible first and foremost for the security of its people.

I agree, but that doesn't justify war crimes. Such crimes are, by their nature, not worth the military gain from engaging in them. They represent a gross neglect of human rights and a clear violation of international laws that Israel is a party to and has agreed to abide by. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's why we have created a common consensus concerning the rules of war and delineated what is and isn't acceptable. Israel has simply routinely engaged in military acts that are well within the realm of that which has been deemed unacceptable, barbaric, and inhumane.
So Israel is supposed to not fight back, not defend itself, while Hamas commits all these war crimes unmolested?
Not at all. Israel is merely expected not to engage in war crimes and indiscriminate violence of its own.
 
It is a crime to to hide behind civilians or to attempt to deliberately use civilian safe centers or civilian movements to mask military activity. That crime however doesn't in any way alleviate Israel of its own responsibilities under international law. Trying to justify one gross crime with another is a pretty barbaric act as well.

Palestinians commit the crime of using civilians, especially children as shields all the time. This is nothing new.

It isn't. I agree. But that doesn't in any way change Israel's responsibilities under international law or let Israel off of the hook for the war crimes that it commits as well.

Israel is responsible first and foremost for the security of its people.

I agree, but that doesn't justify war crimes. Such crimes are, by their nature, not worth the military gain from engaging in them. They represent a gross neglect of human rights and a clear violation of international laws that Israel is a party to and has agreed to abide by. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's why we have created a common consensus concerning the rules of war and delineating what is and isn't acceptable. Israel has simply routinely engaged in military acts that are well within the realm of that which has been deemed unacceptable, barbaric, and inhumane.

Why don't you preach to yourself then? Like I said U.S. and forces from other nations routinely had to engage when fired upon from schools, mosques, and hospitals.

And that can be acceptable. This is where the international legal concept of proportionality (which I have already explained) comes into play. Not every attack against say, a mosque, school, or hospital is a war crime. It must meet certain conditions in order to be judged as such.
 
Palestinians commit the crime of using civilians, especially children as shields all the time. This is nothing new.

It isn't. I agree. But that doesn't in any way change Israel's responsibilities under international law or let Israel off of the hook for the war crimes that it commits as well.

Israel is responsible first and foremost for the security of its people.

I agree, but that doesn't justify war crimes. Such crimes are, by their nature, not worth the military gain from engaging in them. They represent a gross neglect of human rights and a clear violation of international laws that Israel is a party to and has agreed to abide by. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's why we have created a common consensus concerning the rules of war and delineated what is and isn't acceptable. Israel has simply routinely engaged in military acts that are well within the realm of that which has been deemed unacceptable, barbaric, and inhumane.
So Israel is supposed to not fight back, not defend itself, while Hamas commits all these war crimes unmolested?
Not at all. Israel is merely expected not to engage in war crimes and indiscriminate violence of its own.
How do you defeat an enemy who hides within civilians and refuses to fight you like a man without harming those civilians he is hiding within? It can't be done. Your answer makes it easier for such people to win battles. Those who are willing to do what must be done survive, those who don't die. Watch The Walking Dead Online Streaming Stream TV Free
 
It isn't. I agree. But that doesn't in any way change Israel's responsibilities under international law or let Israel off of the hook for the war crimes that it commits as well.

Israel is responsible first and foremost for the security of its people.

I agree, but that doesn't justify war crimes. Such crimes are, by their nature, not worth the military gain from engaging in them. They represent a gross neglect of human rights and a clear violation of international laws that Israel is a party to and has agreed to abide by. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's why we have created a common consensus concerning the rules of war and delineated what is and isn't acceptable. Israel has simply routinely engaged in military acts that are well within the realm of that which has been deemed unacceptable, barbaric, and inhumane.
So Israel is supposed to not fight back, not defend itself, while Hamas commits all these war crimes unmolested?
Not at all. Israel is merely expected not to engage in war crimes and indiscriminate violence of its own.
How do you defeat an enemy who hides within civilians and refuses to fight you like a man without harming those civilians he is hiding within? It can't be done. Your answer makes it easier for such people to win battles. Those who are willing to do what must be done survive, those who don't die. Watch The Walking Dead Online Streaming Stream TV Free

The harming of civilians isn't in and of itself a war crime. The indiscriminate targeting of civilians and the failure of individual strikes to meet the proportionality requirements is. I also prefer not to get my morals from a fictional TV show.
 
Israel is responsible first and foremost for the security of its people.

I agree, but that doesn't justify war crimes. Such crimes are, by their nature, not worth the military gain from engaging in them. They represent a gross neglect of human rights and a clear violation of international laws that Israel is a party to and has agreed to abide by. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's why we have created a common consensus concerning the rules of war and delineated what is and isn't acceptable. Israel has simply routinely engaged in military acts that are well within the realm of that which has been deemed unacceptable, barbaric, and inhumane.
So Israel is supposed to not fight back, not defend itself, while Hamas commits all these war crimes unmolested?
Not at all. Israel is merely expected not to engage in war crimes and indiscriminate violence of its own.
How do you defeat an enemy who hides within civilians and refuses to fight you like a man without harming those civilians he is hiding within? It can't be done. Your answer makes it easier for such people to win battles. Those who are willing to do what must be done survive, those who don't die. Watch The Walking Dead Online Streaming Stream TV Free

The harming of civilians isn't in and of itself a war crime. The indiscriminate targeting of civilians and the failure of individual strikes to meet the proportionality requirements is. I also prefer not to get my morals from a fictional TV show.
It is proportional to use whatever force is necessary to KILL your enemy so they can't try to kill you any longer. To use less force than that would be stupid.
 
Palestinians commit the crime of using civilians, especially children as shields all the time. This is nothing new.

It isn't. I agree. But that doesn't in any way change Israel's responsibilities under international law or let Israel off of the hook for the war crimes that it commits as well.

Israel is responsible first and foremost for the security of its people.

I agree, but that doesn't justify war crimes. Such crimes are, by their nature, not worth the military gain from engaging in them. They represent a gross neglect of human rights and a clear violation of international laws that Israel is a party to and has agreed to abide by. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's why we have created a common consensus concerning the rules of war and delineating what is and isn't acceptable. Israel has simply routinely engaged in military acts that are well within the realm of that which has been deemed unacceptable, barbaric, and inhumane.

Why don't you preach to yourself then? Like I said U.S. and forces from other nations routinely had to engage when fired upon from schools, mosques, and hospitals.

And that can be acceptable. This is where the international legal concept of proportionality (which I have already explained) comes into play. Not every attack against say, a mosque, school, or hospital is a war crime. It must meet certain conditions in order to be judged as such.

Rrrrright, and you want nations dealing with Islamist animals to make such detailed judgment calls, in the heat of an all out war? :cuckoo:

How about the animals who are using their own people as shields and in fact rejoice when innocents die, in order to use them as props for media consumption?
 

Aww. Can't adequately discuss the specific topic of the thread - attempt to deflect to a new topic through antagonism. No thanks.

The fact that Hamas not unlike other Islamist animals routinely uses its own population as shields, is the topic.

Finnish TV: Rockets from Gaza hospital
A television reporter from the Finnish Helsingin Sanomat confirmed Friday that Hamas has been firing rockets out of the Al-Shifa Hospital.

The reporter, who was not named in the television segment shot on-site at Gaza City’s main hospital, said a rocket was launched “right in the back the parking lot” of the hospital at 2 a.m. on Friday morning.

“Really, it happened right in the area, the sound of it was really loud,” she said, confirming longstanding Israeli claims that Hamas is committing war crimes in the Gaza Strip by shooting from civilian concentrations, medical centers and other humanitarian institutions.

“It’s true that rockets are launched here from the Gazan side into Israel,” she said.

Foreign press in Gaza has scarcely reported on Hamas’s rocket launching strategy during the conflict, beyond the bare numbers and statistics.

Israeli officials said last week that several Western journalists in Gaza have been harassed and threatened by Hamas for documenting cases of the terrorist group’s involvement of civilians in warfare, and expressed outrage that some in the international media apparently allow themselves to be intimidated and do not report on such incidents

The Times of Israel confirmed several incidents in which journalists were questioned and threatened. These included cases involving photographers who had taken pictures of Hamas operatives in compromising circumstances — gunmen preparing to shoot rockets from within civilian structures, and/or fighting in civilian clothing — and who were then approached by Hamas men, bullied and had their equipment taken away.

“We have no doubt that Hamas, through coercion and violence, limits the freedom of foreign journalists in Gaza,” an Israeli official told The Times of Israel. “Walking around Gaza with a camera and asking people what they think is not like walking around New York or London. People are not free to say their true opinions. It’s a bit like asking Syrians in government-controlled areas of Damascus if they like President [Bashar] Assad.”

Hamas has indisputably used violence against reporters who have covered stories it doesn’t like, the official said. And it has emphatically limited reporters’ access to aspects of Hamas operations that would reflect to its detriment. One example of this relates to Gaza’s Shifa hospital, the official added. “We know that downstairs there is a Hamas command and control center and that Hamas leaders are hiding there. No reporter is allowed to go anywhere downstairs. They’re only allowed to work upstairs to take pictures of casualties, the pictures that Hamas wants them to take.”

Shifa has indeed “become a de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders, who can be seen in the hallways and offices,” the Washington Post reported on July 15. The Wall Street Journal‘s Middle East correspondent, Nick Casey, wrote on Twitter that Hamas uses Shifa “as a safe place to see media,” but removed the post afterwards.
 

Aww. Can't adequately discuss the specific topic of the thread - attempt to deflect to a new topic through antagonism. No thanks.

The fact that Hamas not unlike other Islamist animals routinely uses its own population as shields, is the topic.

So what does it say about Israel when It acts like Hamas and other said animals? Anyone with pride in Israel should be adamantly opposed to it debasing itself through gross acts of criminal violence.
 
It isn't. I agree. But that doesn't in any way change Israel's responsibilities under international law or let Israel off of the hook for the war crimes that it commits as well.

Israel is responsible first and foremost for the security of its people.

I agree, but that doesn't justify war crimes. Such crimes are, by their nature, not worth the military gain from engaging in them. They represent a gross neglect of human rights and a clear violation of international laws that Israel is a party to and has agreed to abide by. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's why we have created a common consensus concerning the rules of war and delineating what is and isn't acceptable. Israel has simply routinely engaged in military acts that are well within the realm of that which has been deemed unacceptable, barbaric, and inhumane.

Why don't you preach to yourself then? Like I said U.S. and forces from other nations routinely had to engage when fired upon from schools, mosques, and hospitals.

And that can be acceptable. This is where the international legal concept of proportionality (which I have already explained) comes into play. Not every attack against say, a mosque, school, or hospital is a war crime. It must meet certain conditions in order to be judged as such.

Rrrrright, and you want nations dealing with Islamist animals to make such detailed judgment calls, in the heat of an all out war? :cuckoo:

If you don't have military command structures that are capable of such things then you're army is pretty bad.

How about the animals who are using their own people as shields and in fact rejoice when innocents die, in order to use them as props for media consumption?

We label them as animals and terrorists. If you feel like Israel should relish that company then by all means support their violations of the laws of war.
 

Aww. Can't adequately discuss the specific topic of the thread - attempt to deflect to a new topic through antagonism. No thanks.

The fact that Hamas not unlike other Islamist animals routinely uses its own population as shields, is the topic.

So what does it say about Israel when It acts like Hamas and other said animals? Anyone with pride in Israel should be adamantly opposed to it debasing itself through gross acts of criminal violence.
Do you spend as much time and effort condemning Hamas for their actions as you spend on Israel?
 
I agree, but that doesn't justify war crimes. Such crimes are, by their nature, not worth the military gain from engaging in them. They represent a gross neglect of human rights and a clear violation of international laws that Israel is a party to and has agreed to abide by. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. That's why we have created a common consensus concerning the rules of war and delineated what is and isn't acceptable. Israel has simply routinely engaged in military acts that are well within the realm of that which has been deemed unacceptable, barbaric, and inhumane.
So Israel is supposed to not fight back, not defend itself, while Hamas commits all these war crimes unmolested?
Not at all. Israel is merely expected not to engage in war crimes and indiscriminate violence of its own.
How do you defeat an enemy who hides within civilians and refuses to fight you like a man without harming those civilians he is hiding within? It can't be done. Your answer makes it easier for such people to win battles. Those who are willing to do what must be done survive, those who don't die. Watch The Walking Dead Online Streaming Stream TV Free

The harming of civilians isn't in and of itself a war crime. The indiscriminate targeting of civilians and the failure of individual strikes to meet the proportionality requirements is. I also prefer not to get my morals from a fictional TV show.
It is proportional to use whatever force is necessary to KILL your enemy so they can't try to kill you any longer. To use less force than that would be stupid.

That's not what the term proportionality means. That is a common misconception. proportionality legally speaking is the strategic value of striking a target relative to the damage it is likely to do to civilians and their property. If the end result is that the strategic value of a strike can't be reconciled with the civilian cost associated with it then it fails the proportionality requirement.
 

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