UNESCO

[rylah]

What exactly made those immigrants "illegal"?

Aliyah Bet was the code name given to illegal immigration by Jews to Mandatory Palestine in violation of British White Paper of 1939 restrictions, in the years 1934 to 1948. In modern-day Israel it has also been called by the Hebrew term Ha'pala (Hebrew: הַעְפָּלָה‎; ascension). The Aliyah Bet is distinguished from the Aliyah Aleph ("Aliyah 'A'", Aleph being the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet): the limited Jewish immigration permitted by British authorities in the same period.
Aliyah Bet - Wikipedia

Aliyah Bet (1939-1948)

In the 1920s, the British had already acceded to Arab demands and restricted immigration into Palestine, ostensibly on the basis of considerations of the country's economic absorptive capacity. In the 1930s, the British Government fixed a quota for immigration certificates and authorized the Jewish Agency to distribute them at its discretion. The Agency, which was dominated at the time by the socialist parties, tended to distribute the certificates to graduates of the 'hakhsharot' (training kibbutzim), which had been set up in Europe to prepare young people for life in communal agricultural settlements in Eretz Israel. The distribution was based on a key agreed among the various movements affiliated to the Zionist Organization. The Betar youth movement had been affiliated since 1935 to the New Zionist Organization, and therefore did not receive its due share of certificates.

The urgent plight of European Jewry and the restrictions on immigration generated an "illegal" immigration movement, which commenced with the beginning of modern Jewish settlement in Eretz Israel. At first Jews entered Palestine by land, mainly by slipping across the northern border, where they were aided by the inhabitants of the border settlements, the settlers at Kfar Giladi and members of the Betar battalion at Rosh Pina.

In the early thirties, when crossing the northern border became more difficult, illegal immigrants found alternative routes, exploiting loopholes in the Mandatory government's immigration regulations. In addition to the certificate holders, the British permitted the entry of high-school and university students, and many young people enrolled at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and subsequently remained in the country. Young women often entered into fictitious marriages with Palestinian nationals and were thus permitted to enter the country. In addition, increasing numbers arrived as "tourists" and never returned to their countries of origin. In 1935, close to 5,000 Jews entered the country in this way.
THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION OF THE IRGUN

They forced their way in, they should have been sent back, as happens to illegal african immigrants in israel today, imagine a time when they come as so many and take over israel, would you fight back?

I don't see how it jusdtifies erasing Jewish history from Hebron

 

[Lipush]

That is slighly different. The British regime rule was in itself illegal, as was their white book. So they could not really declare Jewish immigration being illegal, or Arab immigration for that matter.

 

[Lipush]

What exactly made those immigrants "illegal"?

Aliyah Bet was the code name given to illegal immigration by Jews to Mandatory Palestine in violation of British White Paper of 1939 restrictions, in the years 1934 to 1948. In modern-day Israel it has also been called by the Hebrew term Ha'pala (Hebrew: הַעְפָּלָה‎; ascension). The Aliyah Bet is distinguished from the Aliyah Aleph ("Aliyah 'A'", Aleph being the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet): the limited Jewish immigration permitted by British authorities in the same period.
Aliyah Bet - Wikipedia

Aliyah Bet (1939-1948)

In the 1920s, the British had already acceded to Arab demands and restricted immigration into Palestine, ostensibly on the basis of considerations of the country's economic absorptive capacity. In the 1930s, the British Government fixed a quota for immigration certificates and authorized the Jewish Agency to distribute them at its discretion. The Agency, which was dominated at the time by the socialist parties, tended to distribute the certificates to graduates of the 'hakhsharot' (training kibbutzim), which had been set up in Europe to prepare young people for life in communal agricultural settlements in Eretz Israel. The distribution was based on a key agreed among the various movements affiliated to the Zionist Organization. The Betar youth movement had been affiliated since 1935 to the New Zionist Organization, and therefore did not receive its due share of certificates.

The urgent plight of European Jewry and the restrictions on immigration generated an "illegal" immigration movement, which commenced with the beginning of modern Jewish settlement in Eretz Israel. At first Jews entered Palestine by land, mainly by slipping across the northern border, where they were aided by the inhabitants of the border settlements, the settlers at Kfar Giladi and members of the Betar battalion at Rosh Pina.

In the early thirties, when crossing the northern border became more difficult, illegal immigrants found alternative routes, exploiting loopholes in the Mandatory government's immigration regulations. In addition to the certificate holders, the British permitted the entry of high-school and university students, and many young people enrolled at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and subsequently remained in the country. Young women often entered into fictitious marriages with Palestinian nationals and were thus permitted to enter the country. In addition, increasing numbers arrived as "tourists" and never returned to their countries of origin. In 1935, close to 5,000 Jews entered the country in this way.
THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION OF THE IRGUN

They forced their way in, they should have been sent back, as happens to illegal african immigrants in israel today, imagine a time when they come as so many and take over israel, would you fight back?

I don't see how it jusdtifies erasing Jewish history from Hebron

If someone has no problem denying the slaughter of Nazi Germany, why it's such a surprise he won't be bothered by altering Jewish history?

 

[fanger]

What exactly made those immigrants "illegal"?

You asked a question, I gave you 3 links as an answer some from israeli sources then you call that answer "made up"

 

[Lipush]

Where did I say anything like that?

 

[fanger]

That is slighly different. The British regime rule was in itself illegal, as was their white book. So they could not really declare Jewish immigration being illegal, or Arab immigration for that matter.

How was the British mandate illegal, careful now, if the mandate was illegal so was the establishment of israel in palestine

 

[fanger]

Where did I say anything like that?

UNESCO

 

[rylah]

What exactly made those immigrants "illegal"?

Aliyah Bet was the code name given to illegal immigration by Jews to Mandatory Palestine in violation of British White Paper of 1939 restrictions, in the years 1934 to 1948. In modern-day Israel it has also been called by the Hebrew term Ha'pala (Hebrew: הַעְפָּלָה‎; ascension). The Aliyah Bet is distinguished from the Aliyah Aleph ("Aliyah 'A'", Aleph being the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet): the limited Jewish immigration permitted by British authorities in the same period.
Aliyah Bet - Wikipedia

Aliyah Bet (1939-1948)

In the 1920s, the British had already acceded to Arab demands and restricted immigration into Palestine, ostensibly on the basis of considerations of the country's economic absorptive capacity. In the 1930s, the British Government fixed a quota for immigration certificates and authorized the Jewish Agency to distribute them at its discretion. The Agency, which was dominated at the time by the socialist parties, tended to distribute the certificates to graduates of the 'hakhsharot' (training kibbutzim), which had been set up in Europe to prepare young people for life in communal agricultural settlements in Eretz Israel. The distribution was based on a key agreed among the various movements affiliated to the Zionist Organization. The Betar youth movement had been affiliated since 1935 to the New Zionist Organization, and therefore did not receive its due share of certificates.

The urgent plight of European Jewry and the restrictions on immigration generated an "illegal" immigration movement, which commenced with the beginning of modern Jewish settlement in Eretz Israel. At first Jews entered Palestine by land, mainly by slipping across the northern border, where they were aided by the inhabitants of the border settlements, the settlers at Kfar Giladi and members of the Betar battalion at Rosh Pina.

In the early thirties, when crossing the northern border became more difficult, illegal immigrants found alternative routes, exploiting loopholes in the Mandatory government's immigration regulations. In addition to the certificate holders, the British permitted the entry of high-school and university students, and many young people enrolled at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and subsequently remained in the country. Young women often entered into fictitious marriages with Palestinian nationals and were thus permitted to enter the country. In addition, increasing numbers arrived as "tourists" and never returned to their countries of origin. In 1935, close to 5,000 Jews entered the country in this way.
THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION OF THE IRGUN

They forced their way in, they should have been sent back, as happens to illegal african immigrants in israel today, imagine a time when they come as so many and take over israel, would you fight back?

I don't see how it jusdtifies erasing Jewish history from Hebron

If someone has no problem denying the slaughter of Nazi Germany, why it's such a surprise he won't be bothered by altering Jewish history?

It's the Palestinian logic - they think it's easier to try to eliminate Israel instead of reconciling the idea that Jews have rigths too. The 70 years could've been spent in a more productive manner. But those who're fixated on erasing Jews, usually have no other real goals.

Maybe the next UNESCO resolution will be on Holocaus denial..seems to be a hot topic there.

 

[fanger]

What exactly made those immigrants "illegal"?

Aliyah Bet was the code name given to illegal immigration by Jews to Mandatory Palestine in violation of British White Paper of 1939 restrictions, in the years 1934 to 1948. In modern-day Israel it has also been called by the Hebrew term Ha'pala (Hebrew: הַעְפָּלָה‎; ascension). The Aliyah Bet is distinguished from the Aliyah Aleph ("Aliyah 'A'", Aleph being the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet): the limited Jewish immigration permitted by British authorities in the same period.
Aliyah Bet - Wikipedia

Aliyah Bet (1939-1948)

In the 1920s, the British had already acceded to Arab demands and restricted immigration into Palestine, ostensibly on the basis of considerations of the country's economic absorptive capacity. In the 1930s, the British Government fixed a quota for immigration certificates and authorized the Jewish Agency to distribute them at its discretion. The Agency, which was dominated at the time by the socialist parties, tended to distribute the certificates to graduates of the 'hakhsharot' (training kibbutzim), which had been set up in Europe to prepare young people for life in communal agricultural settlements in Eretz Israel. The distribution was based on a key agreed among the various movements affiliated to the Zionist Organization. The Betar youth movement had been affiliated since 1935 to the New Zionist Organization, and therefore did not receive its due share of certificates.

The urgent plight of European Jewry and the restrictions on immigration generated an "illegal" immigration movement, which commenced with the beginning of modern Jewish settlement in Eretz Israel. At first Jews entered Palestine by land, mainly by slipping across the northern border, where they were aided by the inhabitants of the border settlements, the settlers at Kfar Giladi and members of the Betar battalion at Rosh Pina.

In the early thirties, when crossing the northern border became more difficult, illegal immigrants found alternative routes, exploiting loopholes in the Mandatory government's immigration regulations. In addition to the certificate holders, the British permitted the entry of high-school and university students, and many young people enrolled at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and subsequently remained in the country. Young women often entered into fictitious marriages with Palestinian nationals and were thus permitted to enter the country. In addition, increasing numbers arrived as "tourists" and never returned to their countries of origin. In 1935, close to 5,000 Jews entered the country in this way.
THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION OF THE IRGUN

They forced their way in, they should have been sent back, as happens to illegal african immigrants in israel today, imagine a time when they come as so many and take over israel, would you fight back?

I don't see how it jusdtifies erasing Jewish history from Hebron

If someone has no problem denying the slaughter of Nazi Germany, why it's such a surprise he won't be bothered by altering Jewish history?

It's the Palestinian logic - they think it's easier to try to eliminate Israel instead of reconciling the idea that Jews have rigths too. The 70 years could've been spent in a more productive manner. But those who're fixated on erasing Jews, usually have no other real goals.

Maybe the next UNESCO resolution will be on Holocaus denial..seems to be a hot topic there.

"Jews have rigths too." are you suggesting Palestinians have rights too?
His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine

 

[fanger]

Maybe the next UNESCO resolution will be on Holocaus denial..seems to be a hot topic there.

Oh the "Holocaus" happened, it's the number we are not allowed to discuss

 

[louie888]

Maybe the next UNESCO resolution will be on Holocaus denial..seems to be a hot topic there.

Oh the "Holocaus" happened, it's the number we are not allowed to discuss

Or the murder weapon or point out that the final solution was one of deportation.

And this thread is another total fail from you people. It was the UN that in 1948 gave Palestine to the zionist terrorists and to this day, it was this action that gave these zionist animals israel's so called "right to exist."

 

[rylah]

What exactly made those immigrants "illegal"?

Aliyah Bet was the code name given to illegal immigration by Jews to Mandatory Palestine in violation of British White Paper of 1939 restrictions, in the years 1934 to 1948. In modern-day Israel it has also been called by the Hebrew term Ha'pala (Hebrew: הַעְפָּלָה‎; ascension). The Aliyah Bet is distinguished from the Aliyah Aleph ("Aliyah 'A'", Aleph being the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet): the limited Jewish immigration permitted by British authorities in the same period.
Aliyah Bet - Wikipedia

Aliyah Bet (1939-1948)

In the 1920s, the British had already acceded to Arab demands and restricted immigration into Palestine, ostensibly on the basis of considerations of the country's economic absorptive capacity. In the 1930s, the British Government fixed a quota for immigration certificates and authorized the Jewish Agency to distribute them at its discretion. The Agency, which was dominated at the time by the socialist parties, tended to distribute the certificates to graduates of the 'hakhsharot' (training kibbutzim), which had been set up in Europe to prepare young people for life in communal agricultural settlements in Eretz Israel. The distribution was based on a key agreed among the various movements affiliated to the Zionist Organization. The Betar youth movement had been affiliated since 1935 to the New Zionist Organization, and therefore did not receive its due share of certificates.

The urgent plight of European Jewry and the restrictions on immigration generated an "illegal" immigration movement, which commenced with the beginning of modern Jewish settlement in Eretz Israel. At first Jews entered Palestine by land, mainly by slipping across the northern border, where they were aided by the inhabitants of the border settlements, the settlers at Kfar Giladi and members of the Betar battalion at Rosh Pina.

In the early thirties, when crossing the northern border became more difficult, illegal immigrants found alternative routes, exploiting loopholes in the Mandatory government's immigration regulations. In addition to the certificate holders, the British permitted the entry of high-school and university students, and many young people enrolled at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and subsequently remained in the country. Young women often entered into fictitious marriages with Palestinian nationals and were thus permitted to enter the country. In addition, increasing numbers arrived as "tourists" and never returned to their countries of origin. In 1935, close to 5,000 Jews entered the country in this way.
THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION OF THE IRGUN

They forced their way in, they should have been sent back, as happens to illegal african immigrants in israel today, imagine a time when they come as so many and take over israel, would you fight back?

I don't see how it jusdtifies erasing Jewish history from Hebron

If someone has no problem denying the slaughter of Nazi Germany, why it's such a surprise he won't be bothered by altering Jewish history?

It's the Palestinian logic - they think it's easier to try to eliminate Israel instead of reconciling the idea that Jews have rigths too. The 70 years could've been spent in a more productive manner. But those who're fixated on erasing Jews, usually have no other real goals.

Maybe the next UNESCO resolution will be on Holocaus denial..seems to be a hot topic there.

"Jews have rigths too." are you suggesting Palestinians have rights too?
His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine

Of course, Arabs have rights but they stem from different circumstances.
The Palestinians don't have the right to erase Jewish history or demand a Juderhein Palestine.

There's to much to erase. Better reconcile with the obvious writing on the wall...it's called Sahara Yahudin for a reason.

The Arab Palestinians are just overcompensating for the lack of distinct identity and culture.
That's why they try so hard to erase a 3500 year heritage.

 

[Shusha]

Does the UNESCO award of historical status to the Hajia Sophia delegitimize the Greek Orthodox?

Depends on whether or not it neglects to mention an entire period of history and an entire peoples. I just checked the documents and it doesn't. So, no UNESCO has not delegitimized either the Greek Orthodox Church nor the Byzantine Empire.

Had the UNESCO award followed the recommendations of ICOMOS, and its own rules, it would not have neglected to mention an entire period (actually 2) of history and an entire peoples (actually 2).

There might still be the political issue of sovereignty, but the site would have been acknowledged to have been a Jewish/Israeli site (as well as a Mamluk and Ottoman one).

 

[Shusha]

Why do you think it's empty? Do you think that if they had the money the Palestinian wouldn't include items from their rich history from Canaanite times (pre-Jewish), thru the Christian period and the Muslim periods interspersed with the relics from the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem?

Actually, I'm pretty sure they would do EXACTLY what you just did -- completely gloss over any Jewish history, as though it didn't exist. They could have Canaanite history, Roman history, Christian history and Arab Muslim history.

They pretty much have to. They can't very well be honest about Jewish history, can they? That would imply Jewish rights.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Since this thread is about the UNESCO decision concerning the Tomb of the Patriarchs, I am copying verbatim an excellent article written by a chap named Justin Amler. Here goes:

Why the Palestinians "Care" About Jewish Holy Sites

The reason the Palestinians try to claim Hebron as their own, just as they try to claim Jerusalem as their own, or the Temple Mount as their own, is really quite simple. They have nothing of their own to claim! They have no ancient history in the Land of Israel. They have no tombs of ancient Palestinian forefathers. They have no archaeological evidence of Palestinian cities or temples. They have no books or songs or literature. They have no documented references of anything. Even Jerusalem is not mentioned ONCE in their Quran.

All these efforts in the U.N. or UNESCO to claim Jewish holy sites is for 2 reasons alone:
1) To delegitimize the history of the Jews to the Land of Israel and sever their ancient connection.

2) To supplant that well documented history and replace it with a fictitious fairy-tale giving some kind of legitimacy to a people who didn't exist, in a country that never was.

The support they receive in these world bodies has got nothing to do with historical accuracy, and everything to do with attitudes towards Jews.

There is a reason that the new Palestinian Museum sits atop a lonely hill, quiet and empty, where the only sound that can be heard is the whistling of the wind as it dances around the empty spaces and hallways. There is nothing to show because...well...there is NOTHING to show.

Hilarious to read that the Palestinians don't exist then in the same breath the claim that these people who don't exist are trying to delegitimize the Jews.

Does the UNESCO award of historical status to the Hajia Sophia delegitimize the Greek Orthodox?

It was more equal to them than to US. Balfour declaration was supposed to be the base. Factually, the Jews stayed with less than half of what was originally offered.

What right did the British have to colonize Palestine with Europeans?

OK, Arabs who are calling themselves Palestinians for the time being. And would you care to tell us why the Palestinian Museum is empty?

Why do you think it's empty? Do you think that if they had the money the Palestinian wouldn't include items from their rich history from Canaanite times (pre-Jewish), thru the Christian period and the Muslim periods interspersed with the relics from the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem?

Any laughable Museum of Palestine should not have any exhibitions from your precious Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem (according to your own mindset), since the Crusaders were colonial invaders.

 

[montelatici]

Like the Muslims, the Crusaders invaded and ruled over the existing inhabitants. They did not expel the inhabitants as long as they remained or became Christians. They were not settler colonists.

 

[montelatici]

Why do you think it's empty? Do you think that if they had the money the Palestinian wouldn't include items from their rich history from Canaanite times (pre-Jewish), thru the Christian period and the Muslim periods interspersed with the relics from the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem?

Actually, I'm pretty sure they would do EXACTLY what you just did -- completely gloss over any Jewish history, as though it didn't exist. They could have Canaanite history, Roman history, Christian history and Arab Muslim history.

They pretty much have to. They can't very well be honest about Jewish history, can they? That would imply Jewish rights.

It would be unfortunate if they excluded the Jewish history, as many of them are descended from the ancient Jews. But, it is understandable given what the Jews have done to them.

 

[Roudy]

has adopted a resolution claiming that the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron and Rachel's Tomb are Muslim sites. Six Arab countries put forth the resolution. The Arabs are irked by the fact that the fathers and mothers of the Jewish People are buried in the so-called West Bank. They're a constant reminder of the "Jewishness" of the land. So that is why they are trying to rewrite history to usurp these places. There was even a clause in the original draft of the resolution, claiming the Western Wall in Jerusalem is part of their mosque on the Temple Mount. But that clause was so ludicrous that it was taken out of the final draft.

Yes of course, and Jesus and Moses were Muslims, they just didn't know it.

 

[Roudy]

Why do you think it's empty? Do you think that if they had the money the Palestinian wouldn't include items from their rich history from Canaanite times (pre-Jewish), thru the Christian period and the Muslim periods interspersed with the relics from the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem?

Actually, I'm pretty sure they would do EXACTLY what you just did -- completely gloss over any Jewish history, as though it didn't exist. They could have Canaanite history, Roman history, Christian history and Arab Muslim history.

They pretty much have to. They can't very well be honest about Jewish history, can they? That would imply Jewish rights.

It would be unfortunate if they excluded the Jewish history, as many of them are descended from the ancient Jews. But, it is understandable given what the Jews have done to them.

Here we go...different thread, same shit.

 

[Roudy]

Like the Muslims, the Crusaders invaded and ruled over the existing inhabitants. They did not expel the inhabitants as long as they remained or became Christians. They were not settler colonists.

Ha ha ha ho ho ho. Ya gotta love it! "Medieval invaders weren't settler colonists"! They just did it for the fame.

The world according a moron.