US Credibility Crash as world swings to support Russia

[rightwinger]

Peace is built around truth and facts, and international pressure.

The Apartheid government in South Africa, held all the cards, but eventually, they had to yield.

It is important, to remember, who lives, on that contested territory, and ARTICLE ONE, of the United Nations.

THAT, is what has caused this entire war to begin with, and the interference of the US and the NATO nations in the first place, against those majority ethnic Russian population in the Donbas region to determine their own destiny.

They knew what they were doing, trying to provoke this war, back in 2019, it was an offense against Article One, paragraph 2 of the UN Charter. . . Self-determination.

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Chapter I: Purposes and Principles (Articles 1-2) | United Nations

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If the ruling elites in Ukraine didn't want to lose that territory, why the hell did they provoke a civil war with the 2014 west engineered coup, and 2019 discriminatory apartheid law, against the minority Russian population in the Donbas?

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The west admitted, they never had any intention of honoring the Minsk agreements. Those would have been nice. . .

OK

Show your terms for peace that would be acceptable to both sides

Start with what Russia will give in return for peace

 

[BackAgain]

With US-Ukey Nazi forces taking a terrible beating in Khazaria , this reports on the decling support for the US proxy war efforts which have gone from bad to awful .

During interview Pulitzer Prize-winner Seymour Hersh stated “more than half” of the world’s population supports Russia. He commented on the growth of this support across the Global South, with Russia becoming increasingly popular among emerging nations. Hersh emphasized how this process has gained strength in Africa and Asia, where there is a strong transition of opinion among people, as citizens who previously had favorable views of the West have recently started to support Moscow.

Hersh claims the US has “lost so much credibility around the world” with its pro-war attitudes, that the current anti-Western wave is quite “dramatic”. He also commented on how the American government has invested billions in the war to the detriment of social programs, strongly destabilizing the internal scenario and affecting its own population – which is extremely condemned around the world, being considered something “outrageous” and contributing to the loss of credibility.

What possible fucking difference would it make (if it even is true) that half the world supports Russia?

If half the world supported Hitler, would that make defeating him any less important or meritorious?

 

[MisterBeale]

OK

Show your terms for peace that would be acceptable to both sides

Start with what Russia will give in return for peace

Well. . . at this point, the west has shown, it cannot be trusted.


So, with this in mind. . . I am afraid, Russia is no longer willing to negotiate with us. It now sees us as an existential threat to them.
It had repeatedly pleaded and begged with us, for acceptable terms, and we had continually violated and betrayed it, starting with our promise to Gorbechev not to expand NATO passed the Elbe River. This is just a fact.

Like our own native Americans, we have broken promise after promise to the Russians, and they have no faith we will keep our agreements with them anymore.

US, UK, France Promised USSR Not to Expand NATO East of Germany, Newly Discovered Document Proves

21 Feb 2022 - A newly discovered document provides more evidence that Western governments broke their promise not to expand NATO eastward after German reunification. Notes from a 1991 meeting prove that the US, UK, France, and Germany assured the Soviet Union that NATO would not expand east. ...

www.transcend.org

". . The 2+4 negotiations were talks in 1990 that allowed for the reunification of Germany, featuring capitalist West Germany and socialist East Germany (the 2) along with the United States, Soviet Union, Britain, and France (the 4).

Chrobog’s comments in the notes, therefore, confirm that the Western powers had promised the USSR in 1990 that they would not expand NATO eastward after German reunification.

Further clarifying this fact, the document adds that there was a “general agreement that membership of NATO and security guarantees [are] unacceptable” for countries east of Germany.. . ."

 

[easyt65]

US Credibility Crash as world swings to support Russia​

Who supports Russia?

Democrats

 

[MisterBeale]

John Mearsheimer Ukraine Salon​

 

[José]

According to Turkey's intelligence, the first week of the ukrainian offensive was a complete disaster:

12.000 dead and 30% of the military hardware destroyed.

But it's only the first week and 70% is an awful lot of firepower so it's up to Ukraine to do its best to turn the tide.

 

[easyt65]

Well. . . at this point, the west has show, it cannot be trusted.

'Well . . . at this point Biden and the west Democrats has have shown they cannot be trusted...'

There, I fixed it for you...

Biden did screw / abandon allies in Afghanistan ... he and his family have been proven to have taken millions from China, Russia, and others ... and the Stallinist / Maoist Democrats abusively wielding power to eliminate political enemises and to drive Americans into compliance / servitude isn't sitting too well with them

 

[MisterBeale]

Well. . . at this point, the west has shown, it cannot be trusted.


So, with this in mind. . . I am afraid, Russia is no longer willing to negotiate with us. It now sees us as an existential threat to them.
It had repeatedly pleaded and begged with us, for acceptable terms, and we had continually violated and betrayed it, starting with our promise to Gorbechev not to expand NATO passed the Elbe River. This is just a fact.

Like our own native Americans, we have broken promise after promise to the Russians, and they have no faith we will keep our agreements with them anymore.

US, UK, France Promised USSR Not to Expand NATO East of Germany, Newly Discovered Document Proves

21 Feb 2022 - A newly discovered document provides more evidence that Western governments broke their promise not to expand NATO eastward after German reunification. Notes from a 1991 meeting prove that the US, UK, France, and Germany assured the Soviet Union that NATO would not expand east. ...

www.transcend.org

". . The 2+4 negotiations were talks in 1990 that allowed for the reunification of Germany, featuring capitalist West Germany and socialist East Germany (the 2) along with the United States, Soviet Union, Britain, and France (the 4).

Chrobog’s comments in the notes, therefore, confirm that the Western powers had promised the USSR in 1990 that they would not expand NATO eastward after German reunification.

Further clarifying this fact, the document adds that there was a “general agreement that membership of NATO and security guarantees [are] unacceptable” for countries east of Germany.. . ."

If you are at all interested in what the CSCE is? It is this;

Source: Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars 1
Final Act of the Conference on Security and Co-operation in Europe

http://insidethecoldwar.org/sites/default/files/documents/Helsinki%20Final%20Act%20August%201%2C%201975_1.pdf

". . . Accordingly, the participating States will refrain from any acts constituting a threat of force or
direct or indirect use of force against another participating State. Likewise they will refrain from
any manifestation of force for the purpose of inducing another participating State to renounce the
full exercise of its sovereign rights. Likewise they will also refrain in their mutual relations from
any act of reprisal by force.
No such threat or use of force will be employed as a means of settling disputes, or questions
likely to give rise to disputes, between them.. . . "
http://insidethecoldwar.org/sites/default/files/documents/Helsinki%20Final%20Act%20August%201%2C%201975_1.pdf

This is what, Russia HAD been wanting both the US, NATO, and the EU to come under, and make a compromise, for a comprehensive European security structure, before the war broke out. . . but again, the US and the EU balked on that idea. . .

The institutional bureaucrats in NATO, and the Brussels bureaucracy, had no interest in losing their cushy jobs and opulent lifestyles.

It all comes down to money, power and interests of the ruling oligarchy.

 

[Oddball]

Russobot says what? I hope you have an exit strategy...

You warmongering fuckbags never have an exit strategy, so button it.

 

[Oddball]

Russobot #2

Warmongering faggot with no argument #1.

 

[MisterBeale]

'Well . . . at this point Biden and the west Democrats has have shown they cannot be trusted...'

There, I fixed it for you...

Biden did screw / abandon allies in Afghanistan ... he and his family have been proven to have taken millions from China, Russia, and others ... and the Stallinist / Maoist Democrats abusively wielding power to eliminate political enemises and to drive Americans into compliance / servitude isn't sitting too well with them

This is more than a partisan issue.

They are plenty of neo-cons and global elites that are in on this as well .. . .

Lindsey Graham & John McCain in Ukraine - Preparing for a proxy war with Russia (2016)​

 

[odanny]

Like our own native Americans, we have broken promise after promise to the Russians, and they have no faith we will keep our agreements with them anymore.

LOL... what "promises" have we "broken"?

Stop lying.

 

[odanny]

Warmongering faggot with no argument #1.

Triggered Putin lover.

 

[José]

Originally posted by McRib
LOL... what 'promises" have we "broken"?

Stop lying.

There was no formal, written agreement... "only" dozens of verbal promises by several high-ranking US and european officials that NATO would not expand eastward.

 

[Couchpotato]

LOL... what "promises" have we "broken"?

Stop lying.

NATO moving East would be the primary promise we broke.

 

[odanny]

NATO moving East would be the primary promise we broke.

When did we "promise" Putin anything?

We didn't promise him a fucking thing, nor should we have.

 

[sparky]

Pulitzer Prize-winner Seymour Hersh

Glad to see 'ol Seymour still kickin'......~S~

 

[José]

Originally posted by McRib
When did we "promise" Putin anything?

We didn't promise him a fucking thing, nor should we have.

The verbal promises were made to "Russia" not to Putin... *

* to the last russian leader of the Soviet Union.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well. . . at this point, the west has shown, it cannot be trusted.


So, with this in mind. . . I am afraid, Russia is no longer willing to negotiate with us. It now sees us as an existential threat to them.
It had repeatedly pleaded and begged with us, for acceptable terms, and we had continually violated and betrayed it, starting with our promise to Gorbechev not to expand NATO passed the Elbe River. This is just a fact.

Like our own native Americans, we have broken promise after promise to the Russians, and they have no faith we will keep our agreements with them anymore.

US, UK, France Promised USSR Not to Expand NATO East of Germany, Newly Discovered Document Proves

21 Feb 2022 - A newly discovered document provides more evidence that Western governments broke their promise not to expand NATO eastward after German reunification. Notes from a 1991 meeting prove that the US, UK, France, and Germany assured the Soviet Union that NATO would not expand east. ...

www.transcend.org

". . The 2+4 negotiations were talks in 1990 that allowed for the reunification of Germany, featuring capitalist West Germany and socialist East Germany (the 2) along with the United States, Soviet Union, Britain, and France (the 4).

Chrobog’s comments in the notes, therefore, confirm that the Western powers had promised the USSR in 1990 that they would not expand NATO eastward after German reunification.

Further clarifying this fact, the document adds that there was a “general agreement that membership of NATO and security guarantees [are] unacceptable” for countries east of Germany.. . ."

Well. . . at this point, the west has shown, it cannot be trusted.

Not like trustworthy old Russia.

 

[Oddball]

Triggered Putin lover.

Another warmongering faggot with no argument.