Uvalde shooter legally bought his guns............

[ABikerSailor]

Dunno what to think about this. Apparently the shooter at the Uvalde school bought his guns legally, and waited until just a day or two after his 18th birthday so he could legally buy the weapons and the ammo. Do we need to change the gun laws? I don't really think so, as the laws that are currently on the books are sufficient IF they are enforced.

Do we need to take a closer look at who buys the guns? Maybe, but that would also put a serious burden on people who aren't bat shit crazy who want to buy guns by making them wait and pass checks.

Sorry, but as long as we have guns legally available for purchase, there will continue to be people who slip through the cracks and commit these kinds of atrocious acts.

Uvalde gunman legally bought AR rifles days before shooting, law enforcement says

He brought only one of the rifles with him into the elementary school, according to the briefing. The other was left in a truck he crashed nearby.

www.texastribune.org

The gunman in the deadliest school shooting in Texas history bought two AR-style rifles legally just after his 18th birthday — days before his assault on Robb Elementary School in Uvalde.

UPDATED: MAY 25, 2022
He legally purchased two AR platform rifles from a federally licensed gun store on two days: May 17 — just a day after his birthday — and May 20, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said, according to a briefing that state Sen. John Whitmire, chair of the Senate Criminal Justice Committee, received from state authorities late Tuesday. The gunman bought 375 rounds of 5.56-caliber ammunition on May 18.

In Texas, you must be at least 18 years old to buy a rifle, and the state does not require a license to openly carry one in public.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The question to ask is where he got 3000 dollars for the rifles?

 

[ABikerSailor]

The question to ask is where he got 3000 dollars for the rifles?

Dunno, because apparently he bought them on credit, which was offered by the gun store where he bought the guns. And, you know as well as I do that credit companies like to give lots of credit to kids who are just starting out.

The gunmaker whose rifle was used in Uvalde shooting reportedly runs direct-to-consumer ads aimed at younger buyers

The Georgia gunmaker Daniel Defense offers buy now, pay later, so the cost of buying its guns can be spread over several payment periods.

www.businessinsider.com

The gunmaker that made the rifle used in the Texas elementary-school shooting uses online direct-to-consumer advertising tactics to attract young buyers, according to The New York Times.

Daniel Defense also runs ads modeled after the popular video game "Call of Duty,"most likely also aimed to appeal to a younger audience, per the Times. The Uvalde shooter is said to have bought the rifle used in the attack days after his 18th birthday.

The Times reported how Daniel Defense also runs a buy-now, pay-later payment plan, which is advertised on the home page of its website.

The financing program allows buyers to spread out the cost of an assault-style rifle, some models of which retail for more than $1,800, over numerous pay periods in "three easy steps."


The plan is in partnership with Credova, a buy-now, pay-later company, according to Daniel Defense's website.

The Uvalde shooter reportedly bought a military-style rifle online from Daniel Defense a week before the massacre which left 19 children and two adults dead on May 24.


Maybe make it harder to buy guns on credit? Dunno what the solution is here. And, people who do mass shootings aren't expecting to come out of it alive, so buying weapons on credit really isn't a concern, as they expect to die and don't need to worry about paying for them.

 

[Oddball]

How does a teenager with no visible means of income get credit?

 

[ABikerSailor]

How does a teenager with no visible means of income get credit?

Dunno how that works, but I do know that a lot of credit companies operate on a regular basis on college campuses to entice students to get credit. And, those students are people with no visible means of income (they are going to school, not to jobs) and are already incurring a mountain of debt by attending college. Might wanna talk to the credit companies about that one. And, the gun store where he bought the guns had a credit program that offered very attractive terms. Since the gunman didn't expect to come out alive, paying for them later wasn't much of an issue to him.

 

[mudwhistle]

Dunno, because apparently he bought them on credit, which was offered by the gun store where he bought the guns. And, you know as well as I do that credit companies like to give lots of credit to kids who are just starting out.

The gunmaker whose rifle was used in Uvalde shooting reportedly runs direct-to-consumer ads aimed at younger buyers

The Georgia gunmaker Daniel Defense offers buy now, pay later, so the cost of buying its guns can be spread over several payment periods.

www.businessinsider.com

The gunmaker that made the rifle used in the Texas elementary-school shooting uses online direct-to-consumer advertising tactics to attract young buyers, according to The New York Times.

Daniel Defense also runs ads modeled after the popular video game "Call of Duty,"most likely also aimed to appeal to a younger audience, per the Times. The Uvalde shooter is said to have bought the rifle used in the attack days after his 18th birthday.

The Times reported how Daniel Defense also runs a buy-now, pay-later payment plan, which is advertised on the home page of its website.

The financing program allows buyers to spread out the cost of an assault-style rifle, some models of which retail for more than $1,800, over numerous pay periods in "three easy steps."


The plan is in partnership with Credova, a buy-now, pay-later company, according to Daniel Defense's website.

The Uvalde shooter reportedly bought a military-style rifle online from Daniel Defense a week before the massacre which left 19 children and two adults dead on May 24.


Maybe make it harder to buy guns on credit? Dunno what the solution is here. And, people who do mass shootings aren't expecting to come out of it alive, so buying weapons on credit really isn't a concern, as they expect to die and don't need to worry about paying for them.

Oh.....so a kid with no credit history was able to qualify for credit on $4000 worth of guns? Is that the latest excuse?
Where did he get the money for 1600 rounds of ammo and thousands of dollars in tactical gear?

 

[Oddball]

Dunno how that works, but I do know that a lot of credit companies operate on a regular basis on college campuses to entice students to get credit. And, those students are people with no visible means of income (they are going to school, not to jobs) and are already incurring a mountain of debt by attending college. Might wanna talk to the credit companies about that one. And, the gun store where he bought the guns had a credit program that offered very attractive terms. Since the gunman didn't expect to come out alive, paying for them later wasn't much of an issue to him.

He's obviously not college material, so that dog don't hunt......It's even less likely that any retail credit program would extend to such an individual.

 

[Hollie]

He's obviously not college material, so that dog don't hunt......It's even less likely that any retail credit program would extend to such an individual.

He was also driving a late model pickup truck that likely cost $35,000

 

[Oddball]

He was also driving a late model pickup truck that likely cost $35,000

And he has no DL, which raises the question of how he passed a background check at a retail firearms outlet.

 

[BlackSand]

How does a teenager with no visible means of income get credit?

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Go to the University Center at any local College Campus and speak to any number of venders available who get their commissions off policies sold,
with the corporate assumption that the person wouldn't be there if they couldn't earn money when necessary,
or their parents were footing the bill or would bail them out in a bind.

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[Hollie]

And he has no DL, which raises the question of how he passed a background check at a retail firearms outlet.

That's really suspicious as a valid DL is proof of residency / address for form 4473

 

[EvMetro]

Sorry, but as long as we have guns legally available for purchase, there will continue to be people who slip through the cracks and commit these kinds of atrocious acts.

Blocking the "legal" sales of guns is not the same as blocking black market sales of guns. If anything, disrupting legal sales would boost blackmarket sales. Criminals and killers are certainly not limited to "legal" purchases of guns when they can get anything they want on the blackmarket , so interfering with legal sales only interferes with the sales of guns through government approved channels. It interferes with the sales of self defense and hunting guns while boosting the sales of blackmarket guns to criminals.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The question to ask is where he got 3000 dollars for the rifles?

Wrong question. You should be asking why America has a stupid Amendment on guns.

 

[Hollie]

Wrong question. You should be asking why America has a stupid Amendment on guns.

You might want to open a history book and see what the Founding Fathers understood about authoritarian governments.

 

[BlackSand]

And he has no DL, which raises the question of how he passed a background check at a retail firearms outlet.

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Many States, especially those that require a photo ID for voting, offer free State issued ID's that carry the same weight
as a driver's license absent driving privileges.

I am not saying that is case in this circumstance, but it could be.
The absence of a driver's license, should that be the case, also didn't keep him from driving to the school.

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[ABikerSailor]

Oh.....so a kid with no credit history was able to qualify for credit on $4000 worth of guns? Is that the latest excuse?
Where did he get the money for 1600 rounds of ammo and thousands of dollars in tactical gear?

He's obviously not college material, so that dog don't hunt......It's even less likely that any retail credit program would extend to such an individual.

And he has no DL, which raises the question of how he passed a background check at a retail firearms outlet.

You know, those are all good questions, and I'd like to know the answers to them myself. Doesn't change the fact that the kid was able to buy the guns legally and on credit. The first places you might want to go to for answers is 1) the gun shop that sold him the guns. Did they cut corners just to make a sale? And 2) the credit company that approved the purchase in the first place. The kid bought those guns legally, as he waited until after his 18th birthday to get them, and apparently, the gun shop that sold them to him didn't see any red flags. And, because of the greed of credit companies, they didn't see a problem in approving the sale on credit, they just wanted to make money, and figured he was an okay risk, otherwise they wouldn't have approved him for the credit.

Makes me ask another question though, should gun shops be allowed to sell guns on credit? I know that buying a car on credit is a pretty intense process and they look at you with a microscope to make sure that you can pay, even more so when it comes to buying a home. So what is the process when it comes to buying guns on credit?

 

[Esdraelon]

Wrong question. You should be asking why America has a stupid Amendment on guns.

How many dead Americans would you overlook if they were resisting the government trying to take their weapons? Would their deaths matter to you at all or would the end justify the means?

 

[mudwhistle]

You know, those are all good questions, and I'd like to know the answers to them myself. Doesn't change the fact that the kid was able to buy the guns legally and on credit. The first places you might want to go to for answers is 1) the gun shop that sold him the guns. Did they cut corners just to make a sale? And 2) the credit company that approved the purchase in the first place. The kid bought those guns legally, as he waited until after his 18th birthday to get them, and apparently, the gun shop that sold them to him didn't see any red flags. And, because of the greed of credit companies, they didn't see a problem in approving the sale on credit, they just wanted to make money, and figured he was an okay risk, otherwise they wouldn't have approved him for the credit.

Makes me ask another question though, should gun shops be allowed to sell guns on credit? I know that buying a car on credit is a pretty intense process and they look at you with a microscope to make sure that you can pay, even more so when it comes to buying a home. So what is the process when it comes to buying guns on credit?

That kid didn't buy them. They were delivered to him.
If he had bought them the left would be going after the gunshop owner who sold them to him.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

In States that require proof of insurance you can not buy with out insurance further unless Texas has some dumb laws one has to show a valid drivers license to buy a vehicle from a dealer.

 

[ColonelAngus]

You gotta love coward cops threatening a mom who ran into the school and saved her kids.

The Uvalde police are cowardly faggots.

Uvalde mother who ran into school threatened by police

Gomez reach out to a local judge who assured her she couldn't be charged with a probation violation, or with obstruction of justice for doing media interviews.

thepostmillennial.com

Its interesting that certain mods will whine that there are other threads on a subject, but they do not include a link to those threads when they lock.

Seems lazy.