VA deal has been reached

[NYcarbineer]

So the problem is long lines? With government health care?

I thought that didn't happen and was just RW propaganda...hmmmm

Or they are now supposed to see private sector doctors? and the the government?

That's what us RWs have been asking for......in the entire debate.


So my question is how many times do liberals have to see their bs explode in their face before they say...maybe we're wrong?

so....their solution is to mimic the France system.....Lets let that sink in.

You have a link? or am I supposed to take your word for it?

I just think it's funny you posted an article that reinforces my belief that govt run anything sucks, longer wait times, while your side (the left) has said the exact opposite.....yet you post an article that reinforces my side....thanks man!

Govt healthcare sucks, you wait longer....and they should visit private sector doctors if the wait is too long?

and yet you say I'm wrong? Let that sink in....maybe you'll wakeup and quit being a stepford democrat.

So basically what you want is for vets to get private insurance subsidized by the taxpayers,

just like the exchanges in Obamacare, that you want repealed.

lolol

 

[NYcarbineer]

So the problem is long lines? With government health care?

I thought that didn't happen and was just RW propaganda...hmmmm

Or they are now supposed to see private sector doctors? and the the government?

That's what us RWs have been asking for......in the entire debate.


So my question is how many times do liberals have to see their bs explode in their face before they say...maybe we're wrong?

so....their solution is to mimic the France system.....Lets let that sink in.

Why don't you let it sink in that, instead of the VA being the best thing ever, it is absolute proof that the government is totally fucked?

Again, tell us the better way to provide taxpayer funded healthcare to veterans.

 

[Mac1958]

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It's great to see, yet it still highlights the problem. Why should one (1) American, especially a vet, have to worry about which "system" is going to help them?

We have FIVE (5) "systems" in ONE (1) country:

1. VA
2. Medicare
3. Medicaid
4. Group/Individual
5. Indigent

The Medicare/Medicare Supplement system is set up and ready to go. A coordinated blend of public and private payment systems that would take a massive monkey off the back of American business, streamline payments, maintain free market innovation, competition and efficiencies, buoy reimbursement to providers (that would have to be improved, but it can be done), reduce costs by improving preventive/diagnostic care, create a whole new preventive/diagnostic clinic industry, and pretty much simplify everything.

It's fucking ridiculous that we have to deal with five "systems", and that ANY American should have to go through this, let alone a vet.

Both parties fail us, yet again.

.

 

[Plasmaball]

So the problem is long lines? With government health care?

I thought that didn't happen and was just RW propaganda...hmmmm

Or they are now supposed to see private sector doctors? and the the government?

That's what us RWs have been asking for......in the entire debate.


So my question is how many times do liberals have to see their bs explode in their face before they say...maybe we're wrong?

so....their solution is to mimic the France system.....Lets let that sink in.

Why don't you let it sink in that, instead of the VA being the best thing ever, it is absolute proof that the government is totally fucked?

Who ever said the Va is the best thing ever? I thought it was the military that is the best thing ever.

Once again you are literally making up arguments to talk to me.

 

[LoneLaugher]

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It's great to see, yet it still highlights the problem. Why should one (1) American, especially a vet, have to worry about which "system" is going to help them?

We have FIVE (5) "systems" in ONE (1) country:

1. VA
2. Medicare
3. Medicaid
4. Group/Individual
5. Indigent

The Medicare/Medicare Supplement system is set up and ready to go. A coordinated blend of public and private payment systems that would take a massive monkey off the back of American business, streamline payments, maintain free market innovation, competition and efficiencies, buoy reimbursement to providers (that would have to be improved, but it can be done), reduce costs by improving preventive/diagnostic care, create a whole new preventive/diagnostic clinic industry, and pretty much simplify everything.

It's fucking ridiculous that we have to deal with five "systems", and that ANY American should have to go through this, let alone a vet.

Both parties fail us, yet again.

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Medicare for all. Sounds good to me.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

so....their solution is to mimic the France system.....Lets let that sink in.

Why don't you let it sink in that, instead of the VA being the best thing ever, it is absolute proof that the government is totally fucked?

Again, tell us the better way to provide taxpayer funded healthcare to veterans.

Why do you insist that it has to be funded on the backs of innocent taxpayers? Do you have something against working people?

 

[Little-Acorn]

The agreement would allow veterans facing long waits at VA facilities to seek care from private doctors, expand the VA secretary's authority to fire or demote staff for poor performance, establish 26 new VA health facilities in 18 states, including California, and provide $500 million for the hiring of new VA doctors and nurses.

Until it's cancelled in the next round of budget cuts, or "Sequestration II".

 

[Quantum Windbag]

so....their solution is to mimic the France system.....Lets let that sink in.

Why don't you let it sink in that, instead of the VA being the best thing ever, it is absolute proof that the government is totally fucked?

Who ever said the Va is the best thing ever? I thought it was the military that is the best thing ever.

Once again you are literally making up arguments to talk to me.

You thought the military was the best thing ever? Why on Earth would you think that? Is it because you are suck a hack that you can't imagine anyone actually having principles?

 

[Little-Acorn]

Like I keep saying, the VA is what you get when the government works. All this is going to do is prove me right.

40 dead veterans? (And that's just at ONE hospital.)

Have the people who let them die, been identified and punished?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why don't you let it sink in that, instead of the VA being the best thing ever, it is absolute proof that the government is totally fucked?

Again, tell us the better way to provide taxpayer funded healthcare to veterans.

Why do you insist that it has to be funded on the backs of innocent taxpayers? Do you have something against working people?

So you want to end healthcare as a veteran's benefit. That's your plan.

lol. Good luck.

 

[Little-Acorn]

BTW, have the people who created the "secret waiting lists", covered them up, and allowed the vets to die, been identified and punished yet?

That's the actual problem, you know. Not money.

 

[Politico]

Something both parties agree on. What's the catch?

No catch. The hallways are filled with people waiting. They agreed to build more hallways.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Again, tell us the better way to provide taxpayer funded healthcare to veterans.

Why do you insist that it has to be funded on the backs of innocent taxpayers? Do you have something against working people?

So you want to end healthcare as a veteran's benefit. That's your plan.

lol. Good luck.

Funny, I don't recall saying that, I asked why you insist it has to be funded on the backs of taxpayers.

 

[Plasmaball]

Why don't you let it sink in that, instead of the VA being the best thing ever, it is absolute proof that the government is totally fucked?

Who ever said the Va is the best thing ever? I thought it was the military that is the best thing ever.

Once again you are literally making up arguments to talk to me.

You thought the military was the best thing ever? Why on Earth would you think that? Is it because you are suck a hack that you can't imagine anyone actually having principles?

huh?

 

[g5000]

BTW, have the people who created the "secret waiting lists", covered them up, and allowed the vets to die, been identified and punished yet?

That's the actual problem, you know. Not money.

Investigations are ongoing.

Example:

An audit team sent to the Malcom Randall VA Medical Center in Gainesville, Florida, discovered a list of patients needing follow-up appointments that was kept on paper instead of in the VA's electronic computer system.

As a result, the VA's Office of Inspector General has opened an investigation and three members of the Gainesville VA's supervisory staff have been placed on paid leave, pending the outcome of an investigation, VA Sunshine Healthcare Network (VISN 8) spokeswoman Mary Kay Hollingsworth said Monday.

VA investigating Florida hospital wait lists - CNN.com

 

[g5000]

Another problem with the VA is that VA doctors do not see patients at the same pace private doctors do. Their caseloads are much smaller and slower. Probably because they are on government pay and don't have to worry about being efficient.

The profit motive does have its advanatages, and not just for those receiving the profits. Private sector doctors serve far more patients, per doctor, than VA docs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why do you insist that it has to be funded on the backs of innocent taxpayers? Do you have something against working people?

So you want to end healthcare as a veteran's benefit. That's your plan.

lol. Good luck.

Funny, I don't recall saying that, I asked why you insist it has to be funded on the backs of taxpayers.

Military pay is funded by the taxpayers. Military benefits are funded by the taxpayers.

Instead of song and dancing around, why don't you just tell us what your better ideas are?

Or admit you don't have any.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So you want to end healthcare as a veteran's benefit. That's your plan.

lol. Good luck.

Funny, I don't recall saying that, I asked why you insist it has to be funded on the backs of taxpayers.

Military pay is funded by the taxpayers. Military benefits are funded by the taxpayers.

Instead of song and dancing around, why don't you just tell us what your better ideas are?

Or admit you don't have any.

All government revenue comes from taxpayers? Are you 100% sure of that?

 

[FA_Q2]

Funny, I don't recall saying that, I asked why you insist it has to be funded on the backs of taxpayers.

Military pay is funded by the taxpayers. Military benefits are funded by the taxpayers.

Instead of song and dancing around, why don't you just tell us what your better ideas are?

Or admit you don't have any.

All government revenue comes from taxpayers? Are you 100% sure of that?

Yes.

I guess it matters how you are going to define the 'taxpayers' but I see taxpayers as essentially all Americans. Import fees are passed onto the consumer and paid by Americans. Fees are just another word for taxes and the sale of products or services are essentially the sales of products owned by the taxpayers.

Essentially, all government income is derived from the people because (at least in theory) the people 'own' and operate the government. The government is basically an extension of the people itself.

That is all rather irrelevant anyway. How are you to fund the VA with government but not from the taxpayers? Give it up because I am rather curious to hear what your idea is. Any solution I can think of is either untenable (loot the nations that we are fighting in) or tossing it off to the side (charge the vets themselves).