Video emerges of Georgia jogger attack; case headed to grand jury

[Mac-7]

You don't grab a shutgun the way he did. You attack from the side.

Uh huh

dont bet the rent money (and your life) on that

 

[Ame®icano]

Not even close.

Well, that's interesting.

Is it him?

Did you hear that "engaged in no illegal activity"? Well, except trespassing. They forgot that one.

.

If it is him, and I'll concede it certainly could be, it does nothing to removed the responsibility for the shooting from Travis McMichael. Travis McMichael didn't see this video. Nothing in it gets McMichael off the hook.

If you kill someone because he trespassed for three minutes, you deserve to be charged with murder...

But if you kill someone who runs into you, despite you're holding a gun, that's self defense.

Not even close.

The McMichaels armed themselves and then pursued Arbery. Those two actions legally negate them from being able to claim self defense. The U.S. Attorney almost laughed when he read that determination by the local DA...

Okay... so why do anyone arm themselves?

To make a fashion statement?

I arm myself in case I have to defend myself. I don't arm myself so that I can go chase down someone who's running down my street so I can "talk" to him but kill him instead...

Yes you do. You arm yourself in case you need to defend yourself.

Stopping the robber means you might need to use force, or that robber might use force against you.

Therefore gun, if that happen, you defend yourself.

He robbed no one, and he was unarmed. Furthermore, Travis McMichael didn't even know that Arbery was inside the construction site. He just did what Daddy told him to do (which is common among redneck racists), and his decision to listen to his father is what will put his redneck ass in jail for the rest of his life.

Again, they armed themselves and pursued him. Because of that they CANNOT claim self defense...

You claim to "know" what is "common among redneck racists" and what their reaction would be.

Okay, let's play...

Is it fair to use the same assessment and claim that is common that blacks are violent and what their reaction would be when confronted?

You must be stupid.

I'll come back to comment as there are developments in the case.

But, to your point, my comment was regarding how a redneck son will do what his daddy tells him, no questions asked. I said nothing about anyone being violent...

And you base that on what? Statistics?

And my question was... is it fair to assume one thing, and not to assume the other?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why did they stop the truck in the middle of the street? No one an answer that question.

Does it really matter given what this guy decided to do?

Assume they stop the truck in the middle of the road and pull out 40 guns and pointed to them at him.

Not run at the trees

Not run the other way

Not run toward the house is

Not say what do you want

No, charge of the guys hole in the guns and try to take them away.

:Not run at the trees

Not run the other way

Not run toward the houses

Not say what do you want

No, charge at the guys holding the guns and try to take them away.



Not one person here believes that was the right thing to do. Not one of you. You all know that he was acting stupidly or aggressively.

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Two huge armed white men in a truck. How would he know they wouldn’t shoot him if he ran?

How?

They already passed by him and didn't shoot him.

That doesn't mean anything. They blocked his path. Why would any sane person stop a truck in the middle of the street. You do that in Boston and we are swinging. That is just not a rational move. At least not here in the Northeast.

Yes, they blocked his path. That's what you do when you want to stop someone.

You block my path you better get ready to man up. They had no right. Call the police. It was at worst two on one. Don't need a gun if you're a man.

They did man up. They carry guns.

Pussies. 3 on 1 and you need a gun too. May as well join the Leftist Democrat party.

Well, 2 on 1. The one that was recording wasn't part of the action.

Second, yeah... when you're outnumbered, and they carry guns, you make wise decision and attack.

Wakanda forevah.

You assume the victim has the same skill set as I do. Bad mistake. One day maybe you and I will meet and we can discuss it in person. See how you feel then....

Not at all. I am not assuming the "victim" and you have the same skill set. From your answers I realize that you're as dumb as he was.

Especially if you're assuming that I have no skill set. But that's OK, keyboard warrior.

You don't have much if you're defending the assailants. Anyone can be a tough guy with a gun in their hand or if they have a numbers advantage. Here they had both and you're defending that. Makes you a pussy. You're no better than JoeB, playtime and other stupid Leftists on this site. You are the same person to me as far as I am concerned.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You don't grab a shutgun the way he did. You attack from the side.

Uh huh

dont bet the rent money (and your life) on that

If you point it at me, I am assuming you're going to use it. So I am betting my life on it.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I posted several videos. Why did you only mention the first one? Your entire argument is based on lies. I posted several examples. Would you like 10 more that have nothing to do with someones home? 20? 30? How many must i post before you admit you are wrong?

I don't have time now to go into this further but I will answer your questions later on this evening if I have time.

In the meantime, I just checked with a CJTC firearm instructor (Washington State Criminal Justice Training Commission) and he directed me to the specific page and paragraph in their training manual that answers your question which follows below. This is the same training I completed when I obtained my first WA Concealed Pistol License 19 years ago.

CRIMINAL PENALTIES FOR UNLAWFUL USE OF FORCE
Use of force or deadly force when law does not allow it may result in your arrest for assault or homicide.
Criminal charges for an assault with a firearm do not necessarily require that the gun be fired; for example, someone who threatens another without legal justification by pointing a gun at him or her has committed an assault.

An assault with a firearm is usually considered to be a first or second-degree assault (both of these are felonies). Conviction of such a crime may carry a sentence from ten to 20 years. Should your use of force result in the unlawful death of another person, you may be charged with either manslaughter if your recklessness caused the death, or murder if you intended to kill the person.

Penalties for manslaughter may be up to ten years in prison. Murder carries a sentence up to life in prison, unless certain aggravating circumstances exist, in which case the court may impose the death penalty [Washington State no longer has a death penalty as of a few years ago].

It is your responsibility as the person carrying or using a weapon to use it responsibly and within the law. Neither your employer nor any other person is criminally responsible for your acts with a firearm. Under criminal law, you alone have the responsibility for any display or firing of a firearm. If you have any doubt about your ability to make crucial life-and-death decisions regarding the use of deadly force, then you should not carry a firearm.

 

[Ame®icano]

You don't have much if you're defending the assailants. Anyone can be a tough guy with a gun in their hand or if they have a numbers advantage. Here they had both and you're defending that. Makes you a pussy. You're no better than JoeB, playtime and other stupid Leftists on this site. You are the same person to me as far as I am concerned.

There was one assailant.

Sure, anyone can be tough with a gun, and not everyone with a gun is necessary smart.

That's why you don't argue with those people, if you're unarmed you avoid them.

 

[jc456]

Not even close.

Well, that's interesting.

Is it him?

Did you hear that "engaged in no illegal activity"? Well, except trespassing. They forgot that one.

.

If it is him, and I'll concede it certainly could be, it does nothing to removed the responsibility for the shooting from Travis McMichael. Travis McMichael didn't see this video. Nothing in it gets McMichael off the hook.

If you kill someone because he trespassed for three minutes, you deserve to be charged with murder...

But if you kill someone who runs into you, despite you're holding a gun, that's self defense.

Not even close.

The McMichaels armed themselves and then pursued Arbery. Those two actions legally negate them from being able to claim self defense. The U.S. Attorney almost laughed when he read that determination by the local DA...

Who cares?

a black man armed himself and murdered two innocent white people in delaware

but you dont care about that

Of course I do.

But that's not the topic of discussion here. A black guy killing white people in Delaware has no bearing on the case we're discussing...

all it is is evidence you don't care about that scenario. that was the point. you just confirmed it.

He’s just responding to the dog whistle the lib news media is blowing

in miami two black guys murdered a 17 year old white girl for her shoes

I seriously doubt if he heard about that on the lib news media or gave it one percent as much attention as he gave to the Georgia jogger

Is there a video? Without the video this would not be getting the play it gets either.

why does a video make a murder less important? dude, you're starting to sound like a leftist. what a shame. oh well.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You don't have much if you're defending the assailants. Anyone can be a tough guy with a gun in their hand or if they have a numbers advantage. Here they had both and you're defending that. Makes you a pussy. You're no better than JoeB, playtime and other stupid Leftists on this site. You are the same person to me as far as I am concerned.

There was one assailant.

Sure, anyone can be tough with a gun, and not everyone with a gun is necessary smart.

That's why you don't argue with those people, if you're unarmed you avoid them.

If you point your gun at me, the last thing I am doing is turning my back. The victim made his move and it backfired (no pun intended). From my experience his body went into fight or flight mode and he didn't have the skills to disarm someone. Tragic event that never should have happened.

 

[jc456]

I posted several videos. Why did you only mention the first one? Your entire argument is based on lies. I posted several examples. Would you like 10 more that have nothing to do with someones home? 20? 30? How many must i post before you admit you are wrong?

I don't have time now to go into this further but I will answer your questions later on this evening if I have time.

In the meantime, I just checked with a CJTC firearm instructor (Washington State Criminal Justice Training Commission) and he directed me to the specific page and paragraph in their training manual that answers your question which follows below. This is the same training I completed when I obtained my first WA Concealed Pistol License 19 years ago.

CRIMINAL PENALTIES FOR UNLAWFUL USE OF FORCE
Use of force or deadly force when law does not allow it may result in your arrest for assault or homicide.
Criminal charges for an assault with a firearm do not necessarily require that the gun be fired; for example, someone who threatens another without legal justification by pointing a gun at him or her has committed an assault.

An assault with a firearm is usually considered to be a first or second-degree assault (both of these are felonies). Conviction of such a crime may carry a sentence from ten to 20 years. Should your use of force result in the unlawful death of another person, you may be charged with either manslaughter if your recklessness caused the death, or murder if you intended to kill the person.

Penalties for manslaughter may be up to ten years in prison. Murder carries a sentence up to life in prison, unless certain aggravating circumstances exist, in which case the court may impose the death penalty [Washington State no longer has a death penalty as of a few years ago].

It is your responsibility as the person carrying or using a weapon to use it responsibly and within the law. Neither your employer nor any other person is criminally responsible for your acts with a firearm. Under criminal law, you alone have the responsibility for any display or firing of a firearm. If you have any doubt about your ability to make crucial life-and-death decisions regarding the use of deadly force, then you should not carry a firearm.

'may' what does that word mean?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Not even close.

Well, that's interesting.

Is it him?

Did you hear that "engaged in no illegal activity"? Well, except trespassing. They forgot that one.

.

If it is him, and I'll concede it certainly could be, it does nothing to removed the responsibility for the shooting from Travis McMichael. Travis McMichael didn't see this video. Nothing in it gets McMichael off the hook.

If you kill someone because he trespassed for three minutes, you deserve to be charged with murder...

But if you kill someone who runs into you, despite you're holding a gun, that's self defense.

Not even close.

The McMichaels armed themselves and then pursued Arbery. Those two actions legally negate them from being able to claim self defense. The U.S. Attorney almost laughed when he read that determination by the local DA...

Who cares?

a black man armed himself and murdered two innocent white people in delaware

but you dont care about that

Of course I do.

But that's not the topic of discussion here. A black guy killing white people in Delaware has no bearing on the case we're discussing...

all it is is evidence you don't care about that scenario. that was the point. you just confirmed it.

He’s just responding to the dog whistle the lib news media is blowing

in miami two black guys murdered a 17 year old white girl for her shoes

I seriously doubt if he heard about that on the lib news media or gave it one percent as much attention as he gave to the Georgia jogger

Is there a video? Without the video this would not be getting the play it gets either.

why does a video make a murder less important? dude, you're starting to sound like a leftist. what a shame. oh well.

Never said it was less important. When did I say that? Now you sound like a Leftist. I said videos make it more real to people.

If I tell you, I saw Mookie Betts hit a home run, moonshot. You shrug. You've seen 100s of home runs. If I show you a video and it goes 550 feet you are likely more impressed. We as a society, especially men are very visual so optics matter. Never call compare me to a Leftist again if you want us to remain civil.

 

[jc456]

You don't have much if you're defending the assailants. Anyone can be a tough guy with a gun in their hand or if they have a numbers advantage. Here they had both and you're defending that. Makes you a pussy. You're no better than JoeB, playtime and other stupid Leftists on this site. You are the same person to me as far as I am concerned.

There was one assailant.

Sure, anyone can be tough with a gun, and not everyone with a gun is necessary smart.

That's why you don't argue with those people, if you're unarmed you avoid them.

If you point your gun at me, the last thing I am doing is turning my back. The victim made his move and it backfired (no pun intended). From my experience his body went into fight or flight mode and he didn't have the skills to disarm someone. Tragic event that never should have happened.

I wouldn't run up to a guy with a gun. my mother taught me not to. if someone comes up to me is a completely other issue. If I'm cornered I might do something. but when I have an out, I'm going with that, and I'm certainly not going to run at a guy holding one when all I have to do is go the other way.

 

[jc456]

Not even close.

Well, that's interesting.

Is it him?

Did you hear that "engaged in no illegal activity"? Well, except trespassing. They forgot that one.

.

If it is him, and I'll concede it certainly could be, it does nothing to removed the responsibility for the shooting from Travis McMichael. Travis McMichael didn't see this video. Nothing in it gets McMichael off the hook.

If you kill someone because he trespassed for three minutes, you deserve to be charged with murder...

But if you kill someone who runs into you, despite you're holding a gun, that's self defense.

Not even close.

The McMichaels armed themselves and then pursued Arbery. Those two actions legally negate them from being able to claim self defense. The U.S. Attorney almost laughed when he read that determination by the local DA...

Who cares?

a black man armed himself and murdered two innocent white people in delaware

but you dont care about that

Of course I do.

But that's not the topic of discussion here. A black guy killing white people in Delaware has no bearing on the case we're discussing...

all it is is evidence you don't care about that scenario. that was the point. you just confirmed it.

He’s just responding to the dog whistle the lib news media is blowing

in miami two black guys murdered a 17 year old white girl for her shoes

I seriously doubt if he heard about that on the lib news media or gave it one percent as much attention as he gave to the Georgia jogger

Is there a video? Without the video this would not be getting the play it gets either.

why does a video make a murder less important? dude, you're starting to sound like a leftist. what a shame. oh well.

Never said it was less important. When did I say that? Now you sound like a Leftist. I said videos make it more real to people.

If I tell you, I saw Mookie Betts hit a home run, moonshot. You shrug. You've seen 100s of home runs. If I show you a video and it goes 550 feet you are likely more impressed. We as a society, especially men are very visual so optics matter. Never call compare me to a Leftist again if you want us to remain civil.

well why did you post it didn't have a video then? how did that make it less a story? see, that's a leftist ploy. you wrote that, not me.

The point was that no attention was given to that story. just because it didn't have a video made it less important? hmmmmm

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You don't have much if you're defending the assailants. Anyone can be a tough guy with a gun in their hand or if they have a numbers advantage. Here they had both and you're defending that. Makes you a pussy. You're no better than JoeB, playtime and other stupid Leftists on this site. You are the same person to me as far as I am concerned.

There was one assailant.

Sure, anyone can be tough with a gun, and not everyone with a gun is necessary smart.

That's why you don't argue with those people, if you're unarmed you avoid them.

If you point your gun at me, the last thing I am doing is turning my back. The victim made his move and it backfired (no pun intended). From my experience his body went into fight or flight mode and he didn't have the skills to disarm someone. Tragic event that never should have happened.

I wouldn't run up to a guy with a gun. my mother taught me not to. if someone comes up to me is a completely other issue. If I'm cornered I might do something. but when I have an out, I'm going with that, and I'm certainly not going to run at a guy holding one when all I have to do is go the other way.

I have had people point guns at me in training type exercises, even when not loaded and not really a threatening situation, your body and brain react as one. It can be very unnerving. I have no idea what the victim thought in that instance. Doubt he was acting rationally.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Not even close.

Well, that's interesting.

Is it him?

Did you hear that "engaged in no illegal activity"? Well, except trespassing. They forgot that one.

.

If it is him, and I'll concede it certainly could be, it does nothing to removed the responsibility for the shooting from Travis McMichael. Travis McMichael didn't see this video. Nothing in it gets McMichael off the hook.

If you kill someone because he trespassed for three minutes, you deserve to be charged with murder...

But if you kill someone who runs into you, despite you're holding a gun, that's self defense.

Not even close.

The McMichaels armed themselves and then pursued Arbery. Those two actions legally negate them from being able to claim self defense. The U.S. Attorney almost laughed when he read that determination by the local DA...

Who cares?

a black man armed himself and murdered two innocent white people in delaware

but you dont care about that

Of course I do.

But that's not the topic of discussion here. A black guy killing white people in Delaware has no bearing on the case we're discussing...

all it is is evidence you don't care about that scenario. that was the point. you just confirmed it.

He’s just responding to the dog whistle the lib news media is blowing

in miami two black guys murdered a 17 year old white girl for her shoes

I seriously doubt if he heard about that on the lib news media or gave it one percent as much attention as he gave to the Georgia jogger

Is there a video? Without the video this would not be getting the play it gets either.

why does a video make a murder less important? dude, you're starting to sound like a leftist. what a shame. oh well.

Never said it was less important. When did I say that? Now you sound like a Leftist. I said videos make it more real to people.

If I tell you, I saw Mookie Betts hit a home run, moonshot. You shrug. You've seen 100s of home runs. If I show you a video and it goes 550 feet you are likely more impressed. We as a society, especially men are very visual so optics matter. Never call compare me to a Leftist again if you want us to remain civil.

well why did you post it didn't have a video then? how did that make it less a story? see, that's a leftist ploy. you wrote that, not me.

The point was that no attention was given to that story. just because it didn't have a video made it less important? hmmmmm

I already explained why. In America we have become callous to murder. When it is show in living color it becomes more real. Not saying its right but that is human psyche. Never said it was less important. Every case needs to be discussed on its own merits. Would you feel differently if the jogger was a female?

 

[jc456]

Not even close.

Well, that's interesting.

Is it him?

Did you hear that "engaged in no illegal activity"? Well, except trespassing. They forgot that one.

.

If it is him, and I'll concede it certainly could be, it does nothing to removed the responsibility for the shooting from Travis McMichael. Travis McMichael didn't see this video. Nothing in it gets McMichael off the hook.

If you kill someone because he trespassed for three minutes, you deserve to be charged with murder...

But if you kill someone who runs into you, despite you're holding a gun, that's self defense.

Not even close.

The McMichaels armed themselves and then pursued Arbery. Those two actions legally negate them from being able to claim self defense. The U.S. Attorney almost laughed when he read that determination by the local DA...

huh? if they have carry license, the act by the black man to wrestle the gun from the holder, is creating a threat.

If it is two against one and you pull out a gun, you're a pussy. Sorry and it was more than two as the dude in the truck behind them was their buddy. So 3 on 1? Why did they need a gun?

Even if they are innocent (they aren't) they are guilty of being pussies.

that isn't against the law is it? if someone wishes to show they are weak, it's allowed, right? I mean, this is america right? And again, the black man ran at the one man with a gun. The dude in the truck bed did not have a weapon in his hand when the black man approached. video is clear on that. The black man was not even detained, he had a clear path to continue his jog. He interrupted that jog. you show me something differently. Weak ass pussies or not. show that to me.

Forget laws. If you're a pussy then so be it. I won't say they are guilty of murder until I have more evidence but you and I agree that the assailants are pussies. Correct? And I am not going to defend pussies on the messageboard. I leave that for Leftists like JoeB and playtime. This country has weakened due to their PC culture and these assailants further weaken it. They didn't need a gun. Want to confront the person then do it like a man. I have zero time or respect for pussies and cowards.

I defend the constitution. just because they might be pussies doesn't change the constitutional process that they were engaged in. nothing they did was illegal. I'll even defend a leftist against someone who is mis-using constitutional rights.

 

[jc456]

You don't have much if you're defending the assailants. Anyone can be a tough guy with a gun in their hand or if they have a numbers advantage. Here they had both and you're defending that. Makes you a pussy. You're no better than JoeB, playtime and other stupid Leftists on this site. You are the same person to me as far as I am concerned.

There was one assailant.

Sure, anyone can be tough with a gun, and not everyone with a gun is necessary smart.

That's why you don't argue with those people, if you're unarmed you avoid them.

If you point your gun at me, the last thing I am doing is turning my back. The victim made his move and it backfired (no pun intended). From my experience his body went into fight or flight mode and he didn't have the skills to disarm someone. Tragic event that never should have happened.

I wouldn't run up to a guy with a gun. my mother taught me not to. if someone comes up to me is a completely other issue. If I'm cornered I might do something. but when I have an out, I'm going with that, and I'm certainly not going to run at a guy holding one when all I have to do is go the other way.

I have had people point guns at me in training type exercises, even when not loaded and not really a threatening situation, your body and brain react as one. It can be very unnerving. I have no idea what the victim thought in that instance. Doubt he was acting rationally.

yep. I hate even a pop gun pointed at me. I will scold my kids and grandkids for pointing that at me. I use to point cap pistols at people when I was small, I knew no different. To get back to the story, the guy with a gun didn't point it at the black man, so that piece isn't even present here.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Not even close.

Well, that's interesting.

Is it him?

Did you hear that "engaged in no illegal activity"? Well, except trespassing. They forgot that one.

.

If it is him, and I'll concede it certainly could be, it does nothing to removed the responsibility for the shooting from Travis McMichael. Travis McMichael didn't see this video. Nothing in it gets McMichael off the hook.

If you kill someone because he trespassed for three minutes, you deserve to be charged with murder...

But if you kill someone who runs into you, despite you're holding a gun, that's self defense.

Not even close.

The McMichaels armed themselves and then pursued Arbery. Those two actions legally negate them from being able to claim self defense. The U.S. Attorney almost laughed when he read that determination by the local DA...

huh? if they have carry license, the act by the black man to wrestle the gun from the holder, is creating a threat.

If it is two against one and you pull out a gun, you're a pussy. Sorry and it was more than two as the dude in the truck behind them was their buddy. So 3 on 1? Why did they need a gun?

Even if they are innocent (they aren't) they are guilty of being pussies.

that isn't against the law is it? if someone wishes to show they are weak, it's allowed, right? I mean, this is america right? And again, the black man ran at the one man with a gun. The dude in the truck bed did not have a weapon in his hand when the black man approached. video is clear on that. The black man was not even detained, he had a clear path to continue his jog. He interrupted that jog. you show me something differently. Weak ass pussies or not. show that to me.

Forget laws. If you're a pussy then so be it. I won't say they are guilty of murder until I have more evidence but you and I agree that the assailants are pussies. Correct? And I am not going to defend pussies on the messageboard. I leave that for Leftists like JoeB and playtime. This country has weakened due to their PC culture and these assailants further weaken it. They didn't need a gun. Want to confront the person then do it like a man. I have zero time or respect for pussies and cowards.

I defend the constitution. just because they might be pussies doesn't change the constitutional process that they were engaged in. nothing they did was illegal. I'll even defend a leftist against someone who is mis-using constitutional rights.

I am not arguing legality as I don't have all the facts. That would be a Leftist trait. To me with what I see, at best I see manslaughter. Limited data. But from an intangible perspective the assailants are pussies. I have not time or inclination to defend pussies. That is my issue here.

 

[jc456]

Not even close.

Well, that's interesting.

Is it him?

Did you hear that "engaged in no illegal activity"? Well, except trespassing. They forgot that one.

.

If it is him, and I'll concede it certainly could be, it does nothing to removed the responsibility for the shooting from Travis McMichael. Travis McMichael didn't see this video. Nothing in it gets McMichael off the hook.

If you kill someone because he trespassed for three minutes, you deserve to be charged with murder...

But if you kill someone who runs into you, despite you're holding a gun, that's self defense.

Not even close.

The McMichaels armed themselves and then pursued Arbery. Those two actions legally negate them from being able to claim self defense. The U.S. Attorney almost laughed when he read that determination by the local DA...

Who cares?

a black man armed himself and murdered two innocent white people in delaware

but you dont care about that

Of course I do.

But that's not the topic of discussion here. A black guy killing white people in Delaware has no bearing on the case we're discussing...

all it is is evidence you don't care about that scenario. that was the point. you just confirmed it.

He’s just responding to the dog whistle the lib news media is blowing

in miami two black guys murdered a 17 year old white girl for her shoes

I seriously doubt if he heard about that on the lib news media or gave it one percent as much attention as he gave to the Georgia jogger

Is there a video? Without the video this would not be getting the play it gets either.

why does a video make a murder less important? dude, you're starting to sound like a leftist. what a shame. oh well.

Never said it was less important. When did I say that? Now you sound like a Leftist. I said videos make it more real to people.

If I tell you, I saw Mookie Betts hit a home run, moonshot. You shrug. You've seen 100s of home runs. If I show you a video and it goes 550 feet you are likely more impressed. We as a society, especially men are very visual so optics matter. Never call compare me to a Leftist again if you want us to remain civil.

well why did you post it didn't have a video then? how did that make it less a story? see, that's a leftist ploy. you wrote that, not me.

The point was that no attention was given to that story. just because it didn't have a video made it less important? hmmmmm

I already explained why. In America we have become callous to murder. When it is show in living color it becomes more real. Not saying its right but that is human psyche. Never said it was less important. Every case needs to be discussed on its own merits. Would you feel differently if the jogger was a female?

I want them all reported with the same weight. that's all.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You don't have much if you're defending the assailants. Anyone can be a tough guy with a gun in their hand or if they have a numbers advantage. Here they had both and you're defending that. Makes you a pussy. You're no better than JoeB, playtime and other stupid Leftists on this site. You are the same person to me as far as I am concerned.

There was one assailant.

Sure, anyone can be tough with a gun, and not everyone with a gun is necessary smart.

That's why you don't argue with those people, if you're unarmed you avoid them.

If you point your gun at me, the last thing I am doing is turning my back. The victim made his move and it backfired (no pun intended). From my experience his body went into fight or flight mode and he didn't have the skills to disarm someone. Tragic event that never should have happened.

I wouldn't run up to a guy with a gun. my mother taught me not to. if someone comes up to me is a completely other issue. If I'm cornered I might do something. but when I have an out, I'm going with that, and I'm certainly not going to run at a guy holding one when all I have to do is go the other way.

I have had people point guns at me in training type exercises, even when not loaded and not really a threatening situation, your body and brain react as one. It can be very unnerving. I have no idea what the victim thought in that instance. Doubt he was acting rationally.

yep. I hate even a pop gun pointed at me. I will scold my kids and grandkids for pointing that at me. I use to point cap pistols at people when I was small, I knew no different. To get back to the story, the guy with a gun didn't point it at the black man, so that piece isn't even present here.

I am making that assumption. Either way it was 2 on 1 and a gun should not have been necessary.

 

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Not even close.

Well, that's interesting.

Is it him?

Did you hear that "engaged in no illegal activity"? Well, except trespassing. They forgot that one.

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If it is him, and I'll concede it certainly could be, it does nothing to removed the responsibility for the shooting from Travis McMichael. Travis McMichael didn't see this video. Nothing in it gets McMichael off the hook.

If you kill someone because he trespassed for three minutes, you deserve to be charged with murder...

But if you kill someone who runs into you, despite you're holding a gun, that's self defense.

Not even close.

The McMichaels armed themselves and then pursued Arbery. Those two actions legally negate them from being able to claim self defense. The U.S. Attorney almost laughed when he read that determination by the local DA...

huh? if they have carry license, the act by the black man to wrestle the gun from the holder, is creating a threat.

If it is two against one and you pull out a gun, you're a pussy. Sorry and it was more than two as the dude in the truck behind them was their buddy. So 3 on 1? Why did they need a gun?

Even if they are innocent (they aren't) they are guilty of being pussies.

that isn't against the law is it? if someone wishes to show they are weak, it's allowed, right? I mean, this is america right? And again, the black man ran at the one man with a gun. The dude in the truck bed did not have a weapon in his hand when the black man approached. video is clear on that. The black man was not even detained, he had a clear path to continue his jog. He interrupted that jog. you show me something differently. Weak ass pussies or not. show that to me.

Forget laws. If you're a pussy then so be it. I won't say they are guilty of murder until I have more evidence but you and I agree that the assailants are pussies. Correct? And I am not going to defend pussies on the messageboard. I leave that for Leftists like JoeB and playtime. This country has weakened due to their PC culture and these assailants further weaken it. They didn't need a gun. Want to confront the person then do it like a man. I have zero time or respect for pussies and cowards.

I defend the constitution. just because they might be pussies doesn't change the constitutional process that they were engaged in. nothing they did was illegal. I'll even defend a leftist against someone who is mis-using constitutional rights.

I am not arguing legality as I don't have all the facts. That would be a Leftist trait. To me with what I see, at best I see manslaughter. Limited data. But from an intangible perspective the assailants are pussies. I have not time or inclination to defend pussies. That is my issue here.

so you don't see the black man actually attack the guy with the gun in that video? interesting.