Voters Oppose Removing Confederate Monuments

[bodecea]

The Robert E Lee statue is on city property and the ELECTED city council voted to remove.

So the poll has already been taken.

You do know if you really want to erase history, you will need to remove MLK monuments next? I mean if you really want to be consistent.

You learn history in books, not by gawking at statues.

By your 'reasoning' the city of Charlottesville should be required to put up a statue of U. S. Grant, because the absence of one is 'erasing history'.

No you claim you want to erase the racist history of the United states that also includes the civil rights ers. Affirmative action also since we are all created equal.

How is moving a statue from a public park to a museum "erasing history"?

 

[bodecea]

Didn't see any MLK's or Gandhis on the right at that protest.

Last I heard they were both dead. Did some freak dig their bodies up and cart them around?

You are certainly on a roll today.

 

[mdk]

Is this one of those days where polls matter?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I don't have to. I've won this argument so many times I feel like I should step back and let someone else here win it.

You have a vivid imagination. You've never won.

You want to debate the right of secession or lack thereof of the states in the Union?

Go for it.

Argument #1. States that ratified the Constitution became bound to it. The Supremacy Clause forbids states from passing laws that contradict the Constitution.
No state can ever secede without violating the Supremacy Clause.

Yes, you're just delusional. Thought so.

You have no idea what the Supremacy Clause is or says, do you?

lol, big surprise.

 

[jasonnfree]

Like I said in another post. What's next, taking out mt. rushmore cause Jefferson owned slaves? Why not destroy all memorials and books as well so nobody is offended anymore, for awhile.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

You have a vivid imagination. You've never won.

You want to debate the right of secession or lack thereof of the states in the Union?

Go for it.

Argument #1. States that ratified the Constitution became bound to it. The Supremacy Clause forbids states from passing laws that contradict the Constitution.
No state can ever secede without violating the Supremacy Clause.

Yes, you're just delusional. Thought so.

You have no idea what the Supremacy Clause is or says, do you?

You apparently do not.

Article VI, Section 2, of the U.S. Constitution is known as the Supremacy Clause because it provides that the "Constitution, and the Laws of the United States … shall be the supreme Law of the Land." It means that the federal government, in exercising any of the powers enumerated in the Constitution, must prevail over any conflicting or inconsistent state exercise of power.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Robert E Lee statue is on city property and the ELECTED city council voted to remove.

So the poll has already been taken.

You do know if you really want to erase history, you will need to remove MLK monuments next? I mean if you really want to be consistent.

You learn history in books, not by gawking at statues.

By your 'reasoning' the city of Charlottesville should be required to put up a statue of U. S. Grant, because the absence of one is 'erasing history'.

No you claim you want to erase the racist history of the United states that also includes the civil rights ers. Affirmative action also since we are all created equal.

How is moving a statue from a public park to a museum "erasing history"?

Apparently, once the statue is taken down, every American forgets that Robert E. Lee ever existed.

 

[Papageorgio]

So if this is a local issue, then why are the lefty nutters trying to force the Washington Redskins to change their nickname? Isn't that a local issue? Native Americans don't seem to care but the lefty nutters have been working to change the name because they claim it is offensive.

Are polls only relevant to the left when the poll supports their viewpoint and not any other time. Sort of like state's rights. The left seems to be against the state's deciding who and who cannot marry, they are pushing for marijuana reform over the state's selecting on their own. However they cite state's rights in this issue. So I guess I am wondering why the inconsistency.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You want to debate the right of secession or lack thereof of the states in the Union?

Go for it.

Argument #1. States that ratified the Constitution became bound to it. The Supremacy Clause forbids states from passing laws that contradict the Constitution.
No state can ever secede without violating the Supremacy Clause.

Yes, you're just delusional. Thought so.

You have no idea what the Supremacy Clause is or says, do you?

You apparently do not.

Article VI, Section 2, of the U.S. Constitution is known as the Supremacy Clause because it provides that the "Constitution, and the Laws of the United States … shall be the supreme Law of the Land." It means that the federal government, in exercising any of the powers enumerated in the Constitution, must prevail over any conflicting or inconsistent state exercise of power.

And secession is a conflicting exercise of state power.

Thanks for making my point.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The Robert E Lee statue is on city property and the ELECTED city council voted to remove.

So the poll has already been taken.

You do know if you really want to erase history, you will need to remove MLK monuments next? I mean if you really want to be consistent.

You learn history in books, not by gawking at statues.

By your 'reasoning' the city of Charlottesville should be required to put up a statue of U. S. Grant, because the absence of one is 'erasing history'.

No you claim you want to erase the racist history of the United states that also includes the civil rights ers. Affirmative action also since we are all created equal.

How is moving a statue from a public park to a museum "erasing history"?

Apparently, once the statue is taken down, every American forgets that Robert E. Lee ever existed.

Quite possible, since history is no longer taught in the public school system.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So if this is a local issue, then why are the lefty nutters trying to force the Washington Redskins to change their nickname? Isn't that a local issue? Native Americans don't seem to care but the lefty nutters have been working to change the name because they claim it is offensive.

Are polls only relevant to the left when the poll supports their viewpoint and not any other time. Sort of like state's rights. The left seems to be against the state's deciding who and who cannot marry, they are pushing for marijuana reform over the state's selecting on their own. However they cite state's rights in this issue. So I guess I am wondering why the inconsistency.

You people are obsessed with irrelevant deflections.

 

[jknowgood]

The Robert E Lee statue is on city property and the ELECTED city council voted to remove.

So the poll has already been taken.

You do know if you really want to erase history, you will need to remove MLK monuments next? I mean if you really want to be consistent.

You learn history in books, not by gawking at statues.

By your 'reasoning' the city of Charlottesville should be required to put up a statue of U. S. Grant, because the absence of one is 'erasing history'.

No you claim you want to erase the racist history of the United states that also includes the civil rights ers. Affirmative action also since we are all created equal.

I have no interest in erasing any aspect of history as long as it's the truth.

You can't find one example of me ever saying or doing anything to the contrary.

You support taking down confederate monuments?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Go for it.

Argument #1. States that ratified the Constitution became bound to it. The Supremacy Clause forbids states from passing laws that contradict the Constitution.
No state can ever secede without violating the Supremacy Clause.

Yes, you're just delusional. Thought so.

You have no idea what the Supremacy Clause is or says, do you?

You apparently do not.

Article VI, Section 2, of the U.S. Constitution is known as the Supremacy Clause because it provides that the "Constitution, and the Laws of the United States … shall be the supreme Law of the Land." It means that the federal government, in exercising any of the powers enumerated in the Constitution, must prevail over any conflicting or inconsistent state exercise of power.

And secession is a conflicting exercise of state power.

How so? Detail. Be specific as to the enumerated power in conflict..

 

[NYcarbineer]

You do know if you really want to erase history, you will need to remove MLK monuments next? I mean if you really want to be consistent.

You learn history in books, not by gawking at statues.

By your 'reasoning' the city of Charlottesville should be required to put up a statue of U. S. Grant, because the absence of one is 'erasing history'.

No you claim you want to erase the racist history of the United states that also includes the civil rights ers. Affirmative action also since we are all created equal.

How is moving a statue from a public park to a museum "erasing history"?

Apparently, once the statue is taken down, every American forgets that Robert E. Lee ever existed.

Quite possible, since history is no longer taught in the public school system.

Find me all the public schools that do not teach American history, or teach American history while omitting the Civil War.

 

[Freewill]

The memorials, monuments, statues or whatever you want to call them, are being removed by local authorities who own the public property where they are on display and fund the cost of maintaining them. A national poll is hence, irrelevant since the people being polled are not responsible for the cost to the local taxpayers and voters of and for the venue of the memorials.

So this is all about money?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Robert E Lee statue is on city property and the ELECTED city council voted to remove.

So the poll has already been taken.

You do know if you really want to erase history, you will need to remove MLK monuments next? I mean if you really want to be consistent.

You learn history in books, not by gawking at statues.

By your 'reasoning' the city of Charlottesville should be required to put up a statue of U. S. Grant, because the absence of one is 'erasing history'.

No you claim you want to erase the racist history of the United states that also includes the civil rights ers. Affirmative action also since we are all created equal.

I have no interest in erasing any aspect of history as long as it's the truth.

You can't find one example of me ever saying or doing anything to the contrary.

You support taking down confederate monuments?

I support letting the authorities with the proper legal jurisdiction decide.

 

[hazlnut]

A number of snowflakes in this forum have said that the voters should decide whether Confederate moderates should be taken down. It appears the voters want them left alone. ANTIFA and BLM are a small fringe, and they do not represent the will of the majority. Does anyone believe the left would desist in their attacks on these monuments if a referendum were held and the voters decided to all them to stay?

Voters Oppose Removing Confederate Monuments - Rasmussen Reports™

Four Confederate monuments were removed from New Orleans earlier this month following complaints that they celebrate racism, and now the city of Baltimore has plans to follow suit. But most voters oppose taking away these remnants of the past even if they are unpopular with some.

While proposals have been made to get rid of monuments such as the Jefferson Memorial and the carving on Stone Mountain in Georgia because they honor men who practiced or defended slavery, just 19% of Likely U.S. Voters think the United States should erase symbols of its past history that are out of line with current sentiments. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 69% oppose erasing these historical symbols. Twelve percent (12%) are undecided.​

Yeah, no one wants to get rid of the Jefferson Memorial.

He's not a confederate traitor.

False question.

#liefailthread

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

You learn history in books, not by gawking at statues.

By your 'reasoning' the city of Charlottesville should be required to put up a statue of U. S. Grant, because the absence of one is 'erasing history'.

No you claim you want to erase the racist history of the United states that also includes the civil rights ers. Affirmative action also since we are all created equal.

How is moving a statue from a public park to a museum "erasing history"?

Apparently, once the statue is taken down, every American forgets that Robert E. Lee ever existed.

Quite possible, since history is no longer taught in the public school system.

Find me all the public schools that do not teach American history, or teach American history while omitting the Civil War.

All of them. They teach revisionist crap, and a kindergarten version of that. Howard Zinn's nonsense is the primary model.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No you claim you want to erase the racist history of the United states that also includes the civil rights ers. Affirmative action also since we are all created equal.

How is moving a statue from a public park to a museum "erasing history"?

Apparently, once the statue is taken down, every American forgets that Robert E. Lee ever existed.

Quite possible, since history is no longer taught in the public school system.

Find me all the public schools that do not teach American history, or teach American history while omitting the Civil War.

All of them. They teach revisionist crap, and a kindergarten version of that. Howard Zinn's nonsense is the primary model.

So you can't actually show them to me. Big surprise.

 

[NYcarbineer]

No you claim you want to erase the racist history of the United states that also includes the civil rights ers. Affirmative action also since we are all created equal.

How is moving a statue from a public park to a museum "erasing history"?

Apparently, once the statue is taken down, every American forgets that Robert E. Lee ever existed.

Quite possible, since history is no longer taught in the public school system.

Find me all the public schools that do not teach American history, or teach American history while omitting the Civil War.

All of them. They teach revisionist crap, and a kindergarten version of that. Howard Zinn's nonsense is the primary model.

What revision? That Robert E. Lee never existed? lol