Wait what?? 100 - 0 for cloture!!

[Zona]

What terrorist attacks are you talking about?

The first World Trade Center bombing occurred under Clinton.

The Embassy bombing in Kenya occurred under Clinton.

The Embassy bombing in Tanzania occurred under Clinton.

The bombing of the U.S.S. Cole in Yemen occurred under Clinton.

The Oklahoma City bombing occurred under Clinton.

The 1995 Saudi Arabia car bomb that killed 5 U.S. military personnel occurred under Clinton.

The 1996 Khobal Towers bombing that killed 19 U.S. soldiers, wounding 515 occurred under Clinton.

Would you like me to continue?

Then the worst United states domestic terrorist attack happened under what president? It was of course a Republican....

 

[Mustang]

Clinton didn't invade Iraq or Afghanistan

What ever happened to Republican personal responsibility?

Exactly - instead Clinton allowed Al Qaeda to knock down the World Trade Towers (along with half a dozen other serious attacks). Bush took PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and start kicking the fuck out of terrorists around the world.

Clinton was President on 9-11?

Bush used the 9-11 attacks to invade Iraq. A blunder of epic proportions

Except I don't think Bush blundered into Iraq. He made a mess out of it, to be sure. But he didn't blunder into the invasion. He wanted to go into Iraq from day one in office. All the neocons did. Hell, they wrote to Clinton while he was president to urge him to invade Iraq. They damn sure had no intention of passing up the opportunity to invade once Bush was in office. 9-11 gave them an excuse which they salted (like salting a mine) with the whole WMD nonsense like when all those administration spokespersons (like Condi) came out and said the following in front of every camera they could find: "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." That was a blatant attempt to terrify Americans into supporting a war that was unnecessary against a foe that was not only not responsible for 9-11, it was no danger to us. Certainly Iraq was no nuclear threat. It was no military threat to the US of any kind. Hell, they couldn't even shoot down one of our planes during years of no fly zone overflights.

 

[Two Thumbs]

I didn't expect this at all!

Washington (CNN) -- He spent more than 21 straight hours railing against any government funding for Obamacare. Then Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas joined the other 99 senators from both parties in voting Wednesday to move ahead on a spending plan expected to do just that.
The rare 100-0 vote on a procedural step means the spending measure that would avoid a partial government shutdown next week now can be amended by Senate Democrats to restore funding for President Barack Obama's signature health care reforms, which had been eliminated last week by House Republicans.

Surprise! Obamacare foe Cruz votes with Democrats on spending plan - CNN.com

every time I see this in my user cp, I get pissed off that I fell for his dog and pony show.

there really isn't any real conservatives leading in politics. they will all sell us out for money and power.

 

[Sallow]

Exactly - instead Clinton allowed Al Qaeda to knock down the World Trade Towers (along with half a dozen other serious attacks). Bush took PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and start kicking the fuck out of terrorists around the world.

Clinton was President on 9-11?

Bush used the 9-11 attacks to invade Iraq. A blunder of epic proportions

Except I don't think Bush blundered into Iraq. He made a mess out of it, to be sure. But he didn't blunder into the invasion. He wanted to go into Iraq from day one in office. All the neocons did. Hell, they wrote to Clinton while he was president to urge him to invade Iraq. They damn sure had no intention of passing up the opportunity to invade once Bush was in office. 9-11 gave them an excuse which they salted (like salting a mine) with the whole WMD nonsense like when all those administration spokespersons (like Condi) came out and said the following in front of every camera they could find: "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." That was a blatant attempt to terrify Americans into supporting a war that was unnecessary against a foe that was not only not responsible for 9-11, it was no danger to us. Certainly Iraq was no nuclear threat. It was no military threat to the US of any kind. Hell, they couldn't even shoot down one of our planes during years of no fly zone overflights.

Correct.

Bush was talking about WMDs well before 9/11.

 

[longknife]

I really didn't think anyone needed to explain how the Senate operates.

The Senate majority decides upon the rules it will operate under at the beginning of each session. Cloture, is simply a move to bring a bill to be discussed and voted upon. It DOES NOT signify approval of the bill! Read Prison Planet.com » Breaking: Jesse Ventura, Howard Stern Set For 2016 Presidential Run

Then, put a gag in it until you get it right!

 

[RKMBrown]

I didn't expect this at all!

Washington (CNN) -- He spent more than 21 straight hours railing against any government funding for Obamacare. Then Republican Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas joined the other 99 senators from both parties in voting Wednesday to move ahead on a spending plan expected to do just that.
The rare 100-0 vote on a procedural step means the spending measure that would avoid a partial government shutdown next week now can be amended by Senate Democrats to restore funding for President Barack Obama's signature health care reforms, which had been eliminated last week by House Republicans.

Surprise! Obamacare foe Cruz votes with Democrats on spending plan - CNN.com

every time I see this in my user cp, I get pissed off that I fell for his dog and pony show.

there really isn't any real conservatives leading in politics. they will all sell us out for money and power.

All? I believe you are projecting.

Rand & Rubio, for example, appear to be fighting for people.

 

[Sallow]

I really didn't think anyone needed to explain how the Senate operates.

The Senate majority decides upon the rules it will operate under at the beginning of each session. Cloture, is simply a move to bring a bill to be discussed and voted upon. It DOES NOT signify approval of the bill! Read Prison Planet.com » Breaking: Jesse Ventura, Howard Stern Set For 2016 Presidential Run

Then, put a gag in it until you get it right!

Erm..

What happened was a snake oil medicine show for the masses. Which conservatives are engaged in unmooring meanings to words and putting on fake displays which in the long run are injurious to the nation as a whole.

In an earlier time responsible conservatives wouldn't have let these clowns in to the government.

 

[P@triot]

First off. Bill Clinton didn't "gut" the US military. He cut out waste, excess and fraud.

So Swallow considers TROOPS and BATTLESHIPS to be waste, excess, and fraud...

Clinton Defense Budget Cuts Into Troops, Ships

The budget would reduce troop strength by 108,000 from its current level of 1,775,000 and mark the start of a major reduction for the Navy by retiring 28 active warships, including one aircraft carrier and two reserve vessels.

The budget also would trim the number of Army active divisions from 14 to 12 and reduce Air Force fighter wings from 28 to 24.

Clinton Defense Budget Cuts Into Troops, Ships - Los Angeles Times

Folks - this is exactly why you never see Swallow add a link to his posts. Because all he does is make shit up all day long. Lie, after lie, after lie.

It's becoming more and more clear by the post why yours is dubbed the party of stupid.

Why - because we post FACTS which you can't even attempt to dispute?

To quote you: I attempted to spoonfeed you in one post and you come back with this? Comon now, Mcfly, at least try to make some sense once in awhile.

 

[P@triot]

First off.

Bill Clinton didn't "gut" the US military. He cut out waste, excess and fraud. Had he "gutted" the US military, Clinton's actions in the Balkans would not have been a spectacular success, where America actually did something good and stopped a genocide.

No - there was not half a trillion dollars of "waste" you ignorant libtard puppet. He gutted the military (the constitutional responsibility of the federal government) in favor of retaining power through keeping the waste, fraud, and abuse of the unconstitutional socialism programs.

And don't even talk about "success" on the battle field under Clinton you ignorant fuck. Two words for you: BLACKHAWK DOWN. And I've already listed all of the terrorist attacks under Clinton that your ignorant ass didn't even know about! How embarassing for you...



That's because his presidency was the first time Al Qaeda was a threat to us you fuck'n buffoon

Oh my God are you one little dumb, desperate monkey . The first WTC bobming occurred under Clinton asshat. That was the first time Al Qaeda ever hit us.



Why "covert"? Oh wait, that's right, Clinton gutted defense. He couldn't do it overtly.

First of all, you've already proven yourself an ignorant asshole being completely unaware of the half a dozen terrorist attacks which occured during the Clinton Administration of failure.

Clinton was offered Bin Laden by the Sudanese government. He turned them down. That's right Mr. Ignorant - Clinton said NO when handed Osama Bin Laden on a platter. The bottom line is Clinton feared Al Qaeda and (like all libtards) tried to make nice-nice and appease them. How did that work out?

Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize

Even radical left-wing FarceCheck.org admits it:
Clinton Passed on Killing bin Laden?



So Clinton's entire contribution to stopping Al Qaeda was to "warn" someone else about the problem?



It was no longer gutted when the wars started you ignorant asshat. Why do you think it took so long to go into Afghanistan? Because we had to build up a military gutted by Slick Willy "I'd rather spend money on blowjobs than defending this nation" Clinton.

Revising history isn't your strong suit..Angry Samoan..

You'd actually have to know the material.

Says the asshat who knew NOTHING about history during the Clinton Administration and has yet to add a single link backing up his outrageous claims in any of his ignorant posts.

These are things that need no links.

Because it's the history..dumbfuck.

And it's well known.

Your version of history (which never existed) is not well known to anyone but you. And it also explains why I have links to actual history and you can't find any...

Typical Dumbocrat argument - "I don't need to provide sources because if I did, I wouldn't be able to keep making shit up"

 

[percysunshine]

I really didn't think anyone needed to explain how the Senate operates.

The Senate majority decides upon the rules it will operate under at the beginning of each session. Cloture, is simply a move to bring a bill to be discussed and voted upon. It DOES NOT signify approval of the bill! Read Prison Planet.com » Breaking: Jesse Ventura, Howard Stern Set For 2016 Presidential Run

Then, put a gag in it until you get it right!

The cloture vote was on party line. The 99-0 vote was on Obamas Budget.

Funny that you don't hear much in the media about every Democrat Senator voting against Obamas Budget.

 

[Sallow]

No - there was not half a trillion dollars of "waste" you ignorant libtard puppet. He gutted the military (the constitutional responsibility of the federal government) in favor of retaining power through keeping the waste, fraud, and abuse of the unconstitutional socialism programs.

And don't even talk about "success" on the battle field under Clinton you ignorant fuck. Two words for you: BLACKHAWK DOWN. And I've already listed all of the terrorist attacks under Clinton that your ignorant ass didn't even know about! How embarassing for you...



That's because his presidency was the first time Al Qaeda was a threat to us you fuck'n buffoon

Oh my God are you one little dumb, desperate monkey . The first WTC bobming occurred under Clinton asshat. That was the first time Al Qaeda ever hit us.



Why "covert"? Oh wait, that's right, Clinton gutted defense. He couldn't do it overtly.

First of all, you've already proven yourself an ignorant asshole being completely unaware of the half a dozen terrorist attacks which occured during the Clinton Administration of failure.

Clinton was offered Bin Laden by the Sudanese government. He turned them down. That's right Mr. Ignorant - Clinton said NO when handed Osama Bin Laden on a platter. The bottom line is Clinton feared Al Qaeda and (like all libtards) tried to make nice-nice and appease them. How did that work out?

Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize

Even radical left-wing FarceCheck.org admits it:
Clinton Passed on Killing bin Laden?



So Clinton's entire contribution to stopping Al Qaeda was to "warn" someone else about the problem?



It was no longer gutted when the wars started you ignorant asshat. Why do you think it took so long to go into Afghanistan? Because we had to build up a military gutted by Slick Willy "I'd rather spend money on blowjobs than defending this nation" Clinton.



Says the asshat who knew NOTHING about history during the Clinton Administration and has yet to add a single link backing up his outrageous claims in any of his ignorant posts.

These are things that need no links.

Because it's the history..dumbfuck.

And it's well known.

Your version of history (which never existed) is not well known to anyone but you. And it also explains why I have links to actual history and you can't find any...

Typical Dumbocrat argument - "I don't need to provide sources because if I did, I wouldn't be able to keep making shit up"

It's not my "version" of anything.

On 9/11/2001, while a conservative President was in the oval office, 4 United States Commercial Airliners were hijacked by Foreign Terrorists.

They flew those planes around for over an hour, and the Commander In Chief of the largest most expensive military in the world, did nothing.

They then rammed those planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing close to 3000 Americans and causing billions in damage.

That IS what happened.

 

[P@triot]

These are things that need no links.

Because it's the history..dumbfuck.

And it's well known.

Your version of history (which never existed) is not well known to anyone but you. And it also explains why I have links to actual history and you can't find any...

Typical Dumbocrat argument - "I don't need to provide sources because if I did, I wouldn't be able to keep making shit up"

It's not my "version" of anything.

On 9/11/2001, while a conservative President was in the oval office, 4 United States Commercial Airliners were hijacked by Foreign Terrorists.

They flew those planes around for over an hour, and the Commander In Chief of the largest most expensive military in the world, did nothing.

They then rammed those planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing close to 3000 Americans and causing billions in damage.

That IS what happened.

Yes - all of which happened because Bill Clinton ignored Al Qaeda for 8 years while gutting defense so he could stay popular with ignorant, uneducated asshats like you and this retain power. Al Qaeda operatives who were captured admitted that 9/11 was an operation that had been planned for 8 years (recruiting, training, financing, etc.). Remind me again who was president during ALL 8 of those years?

Isn't funny how Barack Obama has full control for 5 years and nothing is his fault in the minds of libtard Dumbocrats, but a mere eight MONTHS after taking office, George W. Bush is completely responsible for not stopping Al Qaeda's eight year operation?

I just exposed your idiocy and your hypocrisy. Game over.

 

[Sallow]

Your version of history (which never existed) is not well known to anyone but you. And it also explains why I have links to actual history and you can't find any...

Typical Dumbocrat argument - "I don't need to provide sources because if I did, I wouldn't be able to keep making shit up"

It's not my "version" of anything.

On 9/11/2001, while a conservative President was in the oval office, 4 United States Commercial Airliners were hijacked by Foreign Terrorists.

They flew those planes around for over an hour, and the Commander In Chief of the largest most expensive military in the world, did nothing.

They then rammed those planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing close to 3000 Americans and causing billions in damage.

That IS what happened.

Yes - all of which happened because Bill Clinton ignored Al Qaeda for 8 years while gutting defense so he could stay popular with ignorant, uneducated asshats like you and this retain power. Al Qaeda operatives who were captured admitted that 9/11 was an operation that had been planned for 8 years (recruiting, training, financing, etc.). Remind me again who was president during ALL 8 of those years?

Isn't funny how Barack Obama has full control for 5 years and nothing is his fault in the minds of libtard Dumbocrats, but a mere eight MONTHS after taking office, George W. Bush is completely responsible for not stopping Al Qaeda's eight year operation?

I just exposed your idiocy and your hypocrisy. Game over.

Your nonsense isn't made any less nonsense by posting in big bold letters.

It's still crap.

And you exposed your own idiocy, here, and do so time and time again.

 

[TooTall]

Clinton was President on 9-11?

Bush used the 9-11 attacks to invade Iraq. A blunder of epic proportions

Except I don't think Bush blundered into Iraq. He made a mess out of it, to be sure. But he didn't blunder into the invasion. He wanted to go into Iraq from day one in office. All the neocons did. Hell, they wrote to Clinton while he was president to urge him to invade Iraq. They damn sure had no intention of passing up the opportunity to invade once Bush was in office. 9-11 gave them an excuse which they salted (like salting a mine) with the whole WMD nonsense like when all those administration spokespersons (like Condi) came out and said the following in front of every camera they could find: "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." That was a blatant attempt to terrify Americans into supporting a war that was unnecessary against a foe that was not only not responsible for 9-11, it was no danger to us. Certainly Iraq was no nuclear threat. It was no military threat to the US of any kind. Hell, they couldn't even shoot down one of our planes during years of no fly zone overflights.

Correct.

Bush was talking about WMDs well before 9/11.

Bush wasn't the only one talking about WMD's before 9/11. Here is a partial list for you, and as amazing as this may sound, they are ALL prominent, well informed DEMOCRATS.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

 

[RKMBrown]

Except I don't think Bush blundered into Iraq. He made a mess out of it, to be sure. But he didn't blunder into the invasion. He wanted to go into Iraq from day one in office. All the neocons did. Hell, they wrote to Clinton while he was president to urge him to invade Iraq. They damn sure had no intention of passing up the opportunity to invade once Bush was in office. 9-11 gave them an excuse which they salted (like salting a mine) with the whole WMD nonsense like when all those administration spokespersons (like Condi) came out and said the following in front of every camera they could find: "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." That was a blatant attempt to terrify Americans into supporting a war that was unnecessary against a foe that was not only not responsible for 9-11, it was no danger to us. Certainly Iraq was no nuclear threat. It was no military threat to the US of any kind. Hell, they couldn't even shoot down one of our planes during years of no fly zone overflights.

Correct.

Bush was talking about WMDs well before 9/11.

Bush wasn't the only one talking about WMD's before 9/11. Here is a partial list for you, and as amazing as this may sound, they are ALL prominent, well informed DEMOCRATS.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

It was a bait and switch. The democrats planned, all along, to use Iraq as their vietnam to gain back power, rape the nation, send trillions to their friends, buy votes, and screw us all over.

 

[Sallow]

Except I don't think Bush blundered into Iraq. He made a mess out of it, to be sure. But he didn't blunder into the invasion. He wanted to go into Iraq from day one in office. All the neocons did. Hell, they wrote to Clinton while he was president to urge him to invade Iraq. They damn sure had no intention of passing up the opportunity to invade once Bush was in office. 9-11 gave them an excuse which they salted (like salting a mine) with the whole WMD nonsense like when all those administration spokespersons (like Condi) came out and said the following in front of every camera they could find: "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." That was a blatant attempt to terrify Americans into supporting a war that was unnecessary against a foe that was not only not responsible for 9-11, it was no danger to us. Certainly Iraq was no nuclear threat. It was no military threat to the US of any kind. Hell, they couldn't even shoot down one of our planes during years of no fly zone overflights.

Correct.

Bush was talking about WMDs well before 9/11.

Bush wasn't the only one talking about WMD's before 9/11. Here is a partial list for you, and as amazing as this may sound, they are ALL prominent, well informed DEMOCRATS.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

And?

None of those folks were the Commander - in - Chief responsible for knocking over the government, killing 100s of thousands of Iraqis, over 4000 Americans and THEN spending trillions to nation build.

That would be George W. Bush. He completely owns that clusterfuck.

 

[Sallow]

Correct.

Bush was talking about WMDs well before 9/11.

Bush wasn't the only one talking about WMD's before 9/11. Here is a partial list for you, and as amazing as this may sound, they are ALL prominent, well informed DEMOCRATS.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

It was a bait and switch. The democrats planned, all along, to use Iraq as their vietnam to gain back power, rape the nation, send trillions to their friends, buy votes, and screw us all over.

The Democrats were in the PNAC?

 

[RKMBrown]

Bush wasn't the only one talking about WMD's before 9/11. Here is a partial list for you, and as amazing as this may sound, they are ALL prominent, well informed DEMOCRATS.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

It was a bait and switch. The democrats planned, all along, to use Iraq as their vietnam to gain back power, rape the nation, send trillions to their friends, buy votes, and screw us all over.

The Democrats were in the PNAC?

Where did I say democrats were in PNAC? Are you on meds?

 

[P@triot]

It was a bait and switch. The democrats planned, all along, to use Iraq as their vietnam to gain back power, rape the nation, send trillions to their friends, buy votes, and screw us all over.

The Democrats were in the PNAC?

Where did I say democrats were in PNAC? Are you on meds?

Unfortunately he is not as clearly he needs to be.

 

[P@triot]

Except I don't think Bush blundered into Iraq. He made a mess out of it, to be sure. But he didn't blunder into the invasion. He wanted to go into Iraq from day one in office. All the neocons did. Hell, they wrote to Clinton while he was president to urge him to invade Iraq. They damn sure had no intention of passing up the opportunity to invade once Bush was in office. 9-11 gave them an excuse which they salted (like salting a mine) with the whole WMD nonsense like when all those administration spokespersons (like Condi) came out and said the following in front of every camera they could find: "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." That was a blatant attempt to terrify Americans into supporting a war that was unnecessary against a foe that was not only not responsible for 9-11, it was no danger to us. Certainly Iraq was no nuclear threat. It was no military threat to the US of any kind. Hell, they couldn't even shoot down one of our planes during years of no fly zone overflights.

Correct.

Bush was talking about WMDs well before 9/11.

Bush wasn't the only one talking about WMD's before 9/11. Here is a partial list for you, and as amazing as this may sound, they are ALL prominent, well informed DEMOCRATS.

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

Once again we see an excellent post backed up with specific, verifiable, facts while Swallow continues to have nothing but ignorant opinion.