Way back in the day of the cowboy’s gun control was tougher than it is today

[Concerned American]

These guys must not have got the memo.

The was photo op

This does not mean they wore guns on a day-to-day bases
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It doesn't mean they didn't either.

The point I am trying to make is that gun laws were more restrictive in the old cowboy days than they are today. -

But it's an incorrect point. You didn't have waiting periods, laws against requiring concealed weapon permits, back ground checks, gun registration, etc.

Many cities and towns still have laws against open-carry, and every state I know requires a concealed weapon permit if you wish to have a concealed weapon

I believe Idaho just passed a law that repealed the concealed permit. Anyone can carry concealed now in that state.

It is called Constitutional Carry and several states have it now. We are trying to get it passed here in Florida.

We will never get open carry in Florida because the filthy Tourist lobby owns the politicians of both parties.

How do they justify no open carry? That is bearing arms. It is specifically addressed in the second amendment.

I think any gun control law is unconstitutional.

You can take a gun just about any place in Florida and you can conceal carry with an easy to get permit but you can't walk down the street with a six iron strapped on your hip. You can do it on your own property and while hunting and fishing but those shitheads are afraid you would scare the tourists if you carried a firearm on International Drive in Orlando.

Florida has some very good laws but the filthy ass tourist industry is afraid of open carry and paid off the lawmakers of both parties to not allow it.

What we need is for the sorry ass Supreme Court to get off its ass and declare that the Second Amendment is subject to Strict Scrutiny. That would prevent all these filthy ass State and Local laws that infringes upon our Constitutional right that says that it can't be infringed.

I would like to know where Wayne LaPierre and the NRA/NRAILA are. There are unconstitutional gun control laws being passed all over the country and I'm hearing crickets from the NRA. The NRA is fixing to lose a member if they don't become more vocal in fighting these laws.

 

[struth]

These guys must not have got the memo.

The was photo op

This does not mean they wore guns on a day-to-day bases
-

It doesn't mean they didn't either.

The point I am trying to make is that gun laws were more restrictive in the old cowboy days than they are today. -

But it's an incorrect point. You didn't have waiting periods, laws against requiring concealed weapon permits, back ground checks, gun registration, etc.

Many cities and towns still have laws against open-carry, and every state I know requires a concealed weapon permit if you wish to have a concealed weapon

All 50 states and DC allow the concealed carry of firearms. 31 states and DC require permits and have may-issue or shall-issue permit laws, 18 states have constitutional carry laws but will also issue permits upon request, and Vermont has constitutional carry but does not issue permits.

U.S State & Territory Concealed Carry Laws - ProCon.org

Not all states permit open carry. View a map of the US which outlines which states currently permit open carry, those that may, and those that don't.

concealedguns.procon.org

Yes, if you get a licence to do so...like I said....that wasn't required in the "Old West" -

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Gun control is nothing new. Way back in the day of the cowboy’s gun control was tougher than it is today

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms and was adopted on December 15, 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights.

In the 2008 Heller decision, the Supreme Court affirmed for the first time that the right belongs to individuals, exclusively for self-defense in the home, while also including, as dicta, that the right is not unlimited and does not preclude the existence of certain long-standing prohibitions such as those forbidding "the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill" or restrictions on "the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. State and local governments are limited to the same extent as the federal government from infringing this right.

Gun Control Is as Old as the Old West

Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business
image: https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/7hLl651LYAFdrPD6uJnBbRi1Rj8=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/da/bc/dabc3b99-f221-4392-8e0a-a3b3f3d98af5/wright1913_dodge_city_in_1878_14782835852.jpg

The “Old West” conjures up all sorts of imagery, but broadly, the term is used to evoke life among the crusty prospectors, threadbare gold panners, madams of brothels, and six-shooter-packing cowboys in small frontier towns – such as Tombstone, Deadwood, Dodge City, or Abilene, to name a few. One other thing these cities had in common: strict gun control laws.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.”

Carrying any kind of weapon, guns, or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. -- The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state's right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution's allowance of personal firearms “is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.”

Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business
image: https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/7hLl651LYAFdrPD6uJnBbRi1Rj8=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/da/bc/dabc3b99-f221-4392-8e0a-a3b3f3d98af5/wright1913_dodge_city_in_1878_14782835852.jpg

Dodge City in 1878 (Wikimedia Commons)

It's October 26, 1881, in Tombstone, and Arizona
The laws of Tombstone at the time required visitors, upon entering town to disarm, either at a hotel or a lawman's office. (Residents of many famed cattle towns, such as Dodge City, Abilene, and Deadwood, had similar restrictions.)
image: https://public-media.si-cdn.com/fil...d-4fac-8fc0-7ff859b10f21/mclauriesclanton.jpg

"Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,” Same goes for most of the New West, to varying degrees, in the once-rowdy frontier towns of Nevada, Kansas, Montana, and South Dakota.

Dodge City, Kansas, formed a municipal government in 1878. According to Stephen Aron, a professor of history at UCLA, the first law passed was one prohibiting the carry of guns in town, likely by civic leaders and influential merchants who wanted people to move there, Cultivating a reputation of peace and stability was necessary, even in boisterous towns, if it were to become anything more transient than a one-industry boom town.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.” Carrying any kind of weapon, guns or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

Louisiana, too, upheld an early ban on concealed carry firearms. When a Kentucky court reversed its ban, the state constitution was amended to specify the Kentucky general assembly was within its rights to, in the future, regulate or prohibit concealed carry.

Still, Winkler says, it was an affirmation that regulation was compatible with the Second Amendment. The federal government of the 1800s largely stayed out of gun-law court battles.

“People were allowed to own guns, and everyone did own guns [in the West], for the most part,” says Winkler.

“Having a firearm to protect yourself in the lawless wilderness from wild animals, hostile native tribes, and outlaws was a wise idea. But when you came into town, you had to either check your guns if you were a visitor or keep your guns at home if you were a resident.”
Gun Control Is as Old as the Old West

Did the Wild West Have More Gun Control Than We Do Today?

The answer is YES. When you entered a frontier town, you were legally required to leave your guns at the stables on the outskirts of town or drop them off with the sheriff, who would give you a token in exchange. You checked your guns then like you’d check your overcoat today at a Boston restaurant in winter. Visitors were welcome, but their guns were not.
While people were allowed to have guns at home for self-protection, frontier towns usually barred anyone but law enforcement from carrying guns in public.

When Dodge City residents organized their municipal government, do you know what the very first law they passed was? A gun control law. They declared that “any person or persons found carrying concealed weapons in the city of Dodge or violating the laws of the State shall be dealt with according to law.” Many frontier towns, including Tombstone, Arizona—the site of the infamous “Shootout at the OK Corral”—also barred the carrying of guns openly.

Like any law regulating things that are small and easy to conceal, the gun control of the Wild West wasn’t always perfectly enforced. But statistics show that, next to drunk and disorderly conduct, the most common cause of arrest was illegally carrying a firearm. Sheriffs and marshals took gun control seriously.
Did the Wild West Have More Gun Control Than We Do Today?

Illinois town bans assault weapons, will fine those who keep them
The town of Deerfield, Ill., has moved to ban assault weapons, including the AR-15 used in the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, claiming the measure will make the town more safe from mass shootings.

The ordinance was passed unanimously Monday by the Deerfield Village Board. It states the move is in the best interest of public health and will spur a culture change toward "the normative value that assault weapons should have no role or purpose in civil society."

It also takes a swing at a popular reading of the Second Amendment, stating the weapons are "not reasonably necessary to protect an individual's right of self-defense" or to preserve a well-regulated militia.
Illinois town bans assault weapons, will fine those who keep them

Chicago suburb bans assault weapons in response to Parkland shooting

With the future of federal gun control legislation uncertain, an affluent Chicago suburb this week took the aggressive step of banning assault weapons within its borders, in what local officials said was a direct response to the mass shooting at a Parkland, Fla., high school earlier this year.

Officials in Deerfield, Ill., unanimously approved the ordinance, which prohibits the possession, manufacture or sale of a range of firearms, as well as large-capacity magazines. Residents of the 19,000-person village have until June 13 to remove the guns from village limits or face up to $1,000 per day in fines.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hooting/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.95db16134355

Seattle will require gun owners to lock up their firearms, after the City Council voted unanimously Monday to pass legislation proposed by Mayor Jenny Durkan.
Starting 180 days after Durkan signs the legislation, it will be a civil infraction to store a gun without the firearm being secured in a locked container.
The legislation will apply only to guns kept somewhere, rather than those carried by or under the control of their owners.
Also under the legislation, it will be a civil infraction when an owner knows or should know that a minor, “at-risk person” or unauthorized user is likely to access a gun and such a person actually does access the weapon.

The legislation allows fines up to $500 when a gun isn’t locked up,
up to $1,000 when a prohibited person accesses a firearm
and up to $10,000 when a prohibited person uses the weapon to hurt someone or commit a crime.
Gun owners face fines up to $10,000 for not locking up their guns under new Seattle law

What has changed from then to now??
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And they were wrong back then too......

There should be absolutely no restriction on weapons....

You should be able to own any weapon that is made.....

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

These guys must not have got the memo.

The was photo op

This does not mean they wore guns on a day-to-day bases
-

It doesn't mean they didn't either.

The point I am trying to make is that gun laws were more restrictive in the old cowboy days than they are today. -

But it's an incorrect point. You didn't have waiting periods, laws against requiring concealed weapon permits, back ground checks, gun registration, etc.

Many cities and towns still have laws against open-carry, and every state I know requires a concealed weapon permit if you wish to have a concealed weapon

I believe Idaho just passed a law that repealed the concealed permit. Anyone can carry concealed now in that state.

It is called Constitutional Carry and several states have it now. We are trying to get it passed here in Florida.

We will never get open carry in Florida because the filthy Tourist lobby owns the politicians of both parties.

How do they justify no open carry? That is bearing arms. It is specifically addressed in the second amendment.

I think any gun control law is unconstitutional.

You can take a gun just about any place in Florida and you can conceal carry with an easy to get permit but you can't walk down the street with a six iron strapped on your hip. You can do it on your own property and while hunting and fishing but those shitheads are afraid you would scare the tourists if you carried a firearm on International Drive in Orlando.

Florida has some very good laws but the filthy ass tourist industry is afraid of open carry and paid off the lawmakers of both parties to not allow it.

What we need is for the sorry ass Supreme Court to get off its ass and declare that the Second Amendment is subject to Strict Scrutiny. That would prevent all these filthy ass State and Local laws that infringes upon our Constitutional right that says that it can't be infringed.

I would like to know where Wayne LaPierre and the NRA/NRAILA are. There are unconstitutional gun control laws being passed all over the country and I'm hearing crickets from the NRA. The NRA is fixing to lose a member if they don't become more vocal in fighting these laws.

The NRA is a grift....you should know this by now...

Aside from enriching themselves, they only exist to serve gun manufacturers

 

[danielpalos]

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

 

[watchingfromafar]

What we need is for the sorry ass Supreme Court to get off its ass and declare that the Second Amendment is subject to Strict Scrutiny. That would prevent all these filthy ass State and Local laws that infringes upon our Constitutional right that says that it can't be infringed

What we need to do is repeat the above until the vast majority has heard it.
Then repeat it just one more time just to make sure its heard by all of us----

What we need is for the sorry ass Supreme Court to get off its ass and declare that the Second Amendment is subject to Strict Scrutiny. That would prevent all these filthy ass State and Local laws that infringes upon our Constitutional right that says that it can't be infringed.



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[watchingfromafar]

That would prevent all these filthy ass State and Local laws that infringes upon our Constitutional right that says that it can't be infringed.

My mistook your post.

Cities and towns should be allowed to set their own gun laws. In the city I live in I would support large fins for carrying a gun in public places.

Very large fines !!!!!

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[Leo123]

Gun control is nothing new. Way back in the day of the cowboy’s gun control was tougher than it is today

The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms and was adopted on December 15, 1791 as part of the Bill of Rights.

In the 2008 Heller decision, the Supreme Court affirmed for the first time that the right belongs to individuals, exclusively for self-defense in the home, while also including, as dicta, that the right is not unlimited and does not preclude the existence of certain long-standing prohibitions such as those forbidding "the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill" or restrictions on "the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. State and local governments are limited to the same extent as the federal government from infringing this right.

Gun Control Is as Old as the Old West

Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business
image: https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/7hLl651LYAFdrPD6uJnBbRi1Rj8=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/da/bc/dabc3b99-f221-4392-8e0a-a3b3f3d98af5/wright1913_dodge_city_in_1878_14782835852.jpg

The “Old West” conjures up all sorts of imagery, but broadly, the term is used to evoke life among the crusty prospectors, threadbare gold panners, madams of brothels, and six-shooter-packing cowboys in small frontier towns – such as Tombstone, Deadwood, Dodge City, or Abilene, to name a few. One other thing these cities had in common: strict gun control laws.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.”

Carrying any kind of weapon, guns, or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. -- The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state's right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution's allowance of personal firearms “is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.”

Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business
image: https://thumbs-prod.si-cdn.com/7hLl651LYAFdrPD6uJnBbRi1Rj8=/800x600/filters:no_upscale()/https://public-media.si-cdn.com/filer/da/bc/dabc3b99-f221-4392-8e0a-a3b3f3d98af5/wright1913_dodge_city_in_1878_14782835852.jpg

Dodge City in 1878 (Wikimedia Commons)

It's October 26, 1881, in Tombstone, and Arizona
The laws of Tombstone at the time required visitors, upon entering town to disarm, either at a hotel or a lawman's office. (Residents of many famed cattle towns, such as Dodge City, Abilene, and Deadwood, had similar restrictions.)
image: https://public-media.si-cdn.com/fil...d-4fac-8fc0-7ff859b10f21/mclauriesclanton.jpg

"Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,” Same goes for most of the New West, to varying degrees, in the once-rowdy frontier towns of Nevada, Kansas, Montana, and South Dakota.

Dodge City, Kansas, formed a municipal government in 1878. According to Stephen Aron, a professor of history at UCLA, the first law passed was one prohibiting the carry of guns in town, likely by civic leaders and influential merchants who wanted people to move there, Cultivating a reputation of peace and stability was necessary, even in boisterous towns, if it were to become anything more transient than a one-industry boom town.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.” Carrying any kind of weapon, guns or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

Louisiana, too, upheld an early ban on concealed carry firearms. When a Kentucky court reversed its ban, the state constitution was amended to specify the Kentucky general assembly was within its rights to, in the future, regulate or prohibit concealed carry.

Still, Winkler says, it was an affirmation that regulation was compatible with the Second Amendment. The federal government of the 1800s largely stayed out of gun-law court battles.

“People were allowed to own guns, and everyone did own guns [in the West], for the most part,” says Winkler.

“Having a firearm to protect yourself in the lawless wilderness from wild animals, hostile native tribes, and outlaws was a wise idea. But when you came into town, you had to either check your guns if you were a visitor or keep your guns at home if you were a resident.”
Gun Control Is as Old as the Old West

Did the Wild West Have More Gun Control Than We Do Today?

The answer is YES. When you entered a frontier town, you were legally required to leave your guns at the stables on the outskirts of town or drop them off with the sheriff, who would give you a token in exchange. You checked your guns then like you’d check your overcoat today at a Boston restaurant in winter. Visitors were welcome, but their guns were not.
While people were allowed to have guns at home for self-protection, frontier towns usually barred anyone but law enforcement from carrying guns in public.

When Dodge City residents organized their municipal government, do you know what the very first law they passed was? A gun control law. They declared that “any person or persons found carrying concealed weapons in the city of Dodge or violating the laws of the State shall be dealt with according to law.” Many frontier towns, including Tombstone, Arizona—the site of the infamous “Shootout at the OK Corral”—also barred the carrying of guns openly.

Like any law regulating things that are small and easy to conceal, the gun control of the Wild West wasn’t always perfectly enforced. But statistics show that, next to drunk and disorderly conduct, the most common cause of arrest was illegally carrying a firearm. Sheriffs and marshals took gun control seriously.
Did the Wild West Have More Gun Control Than We Do Today?

Illinois town bans assault weapons, will fine those who keep them
The town of Deerfield, Ill., has moved to ban assault weapons, including the AR-15 used in the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, claiming the measure will make the town more safe from mass shootings.

The ordinance was passed unanimously Monday by the Deerfield Village Board. It states the move is in the best interest of public health and will spur a culture change toward "the normative value that assault weapons should have no role or purpose in civil society."

It also takes a swing at a popular reading of the Second Amendment, stating the weapons are "not reasonably necessary to protect an individual's right of self-defense" or to preserve a well-regulated militia.
Illinois town bans assault weapons, will fine those who keep them

Chicago suburb bans assault weapons in response to Parkland shooting

With the future of federal gun control legislation uncertain, an affluent Chicago suburb this week took the aggressive step of banning assault weapons within its borders, in what local officials said was a direct response to the mass shooting at a Parkland, Fla., high school earlier this year.

Officials in Deerfield, Ill., unanimously approved the ordinance, which prohibits the possession, manufacture or sale of a range of firearms, as well as large-capacity magazines. Residents of the 19,000-person village have until June 13 to remove the guns from village limits or face up to $1,000 per day in fines.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hooting/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.95db16134355

Seattle will require gun owners to lock up their firearms, after the City Council voted unanimously Monday to pass legislation proposed by Mayor Jenny Durkan.
Starting 180 days after Durkan signs the legislation, it will be a civil infraction to store a gun without the firearm being secured in a locked container.
The legislation will apply only to guns kept somewhere, rather than those carried by or under the control of their owners.
Also under the legislation, it will be a civil infraction when an owner knows or should know that a minor, “at-risk person” or unauthorized user is likely to access a gun and such a person actually does access the weapon.

The legislation allows fines up to $500 when a gun isn’t locked up,
up to $1,000 when a prohibited person accesses a firearm
and up to $10,000 when a prohibited person uses the weapon to hurt someone or commit a crime.
Gun owners face fines up to $10,000 for not locking up their guns under new Seattle law

What has changed from then to now??
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In the old west, it was not firearms that was the problem it was the lack of law enforcement infrastructure that would allow criminals to flagrantly loot and murder. A town such as Tombstone was beset regularly by cowboys coming off cattle drives and generally partying en masse in a town.

The sheriff often would make them check their guns until they were going to leave town. That being said, the Old West was not nearly as filled with gunfights as Hollywood has depicted for decades. BTW it was not every law abiding town citizen who could not have guns it was the outside element known to cause trouble.

 

[watchingfromafar]

In the 2008 Heller decision, the Supreme Court affirmed for the first time that the right belongs to individuals, exclusively for self-defense in the home, while also including, as dicta, that the right is not unlimited and does not preclude the existence of certain long-standing prohibitions such as those forbidding "the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill" or restrictions on "the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. State and local governments are limited to the same extent as the federal government from infringing this right.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.”

Carrying any kind of weapon, guns, or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. -- The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state's right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution's allowance of personal firearms “is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.”

Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business

Our cities and towns need to get back to protecting its citizens from nuts with guns; they have that right.
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[Flash]

That would prevent all these filthy ass State and Local laws that infringes upon our Constitutional right that says that it can't be infringed.

My mistook your post.

Cities and towns should be allowed to set their own gun laws. In the city I live in I would support large fins for carrying a gun in public places.

Very large fines !!!!!

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You may not know this but the Constitution is the supreme law of the land and it very clearly says the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Do you really think that states and locals have the right to ignore the Bill of Rights? I don't think so.

If that is the case then in the town where I live we could make the Negros slaves.

 

[Leo123]

In the 2008 Heller decision, the Supreme Court affirmed for the first time that the right belongs to individuals, exclusively for self-defense in the home, while also including, as dicta, that the right is not unlimited and does not preclude the existence of certain long-standing prohibitions such as those forbidding "the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill" or restrictions on "the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. State and local governments are limited to the same extent as the federal government from infringing this right.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.”

Carrying any kind of weapon, guns, or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. -- The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state's right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution's allowance of personal firearms “is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.”

Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business

Our cities and towns need to get back to protecting its citizens from nuts with guns; they have that right.

You're still comparing the Old West with today when there is no comparison. Stop believing Hollywood too. There are lots and lots of videos in You Tube where the Old West is explain and depicted. Go get some education before spouting off.

 

[watchingfromafar]

And the wittle boy said to his dad, dady, dady I want a gun for Christmas !!!

Leo123 replies, if you are a good boy, santa will give you a big surprise.
just don't take it to school until you learn how to use it.
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[Leo123]

And the wittle boy said to his dad, dady, dady I want a gun for Christmas !!!

Leo123 replies, if you are a good boy, santa will give you a big surprise.
just don't take it to school until you learn how to use it.
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What the fuck are you even talking about, soi boy? I said you are influenced too much by the Hollywood Old West and I told you why. You come back with insults and bullshit. Where the fuck are you from anyway? China?

 

[watchingfromafar]

Where the fuck are you from anyway? China?

As far from the likes of you as possible and up wind to avoid the stench.

Just kidding, I hope we remain friends -

 

[watchingfromafar]

You're still comparing the Old West with today when there is no comparison.

Sweet pie, this isn’t the old west.

In the 2008 Heller decision, the Supreme Court affirmed for the first time that the right belongs to individuals, exclusively for self-defense in the home, while also including, as dicta, that the right is not unlimited and does not preclude the existence of certain long-standing prohibitions such as those forbidding "the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill" or restrictions on "the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. State and local governments are limited to the same extent as the federal government from infringing this right.
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[Leo123]

You're still comparing the Old West with today when there is no comparison.

Sweet pie, this isn’t the old west.

In the 2008 Heller decision, the Supreme Court affirmed for the first time that the right belongs to individuals, exclusively for self-defense in the home, while also including, as dicta, that the right is not unlimited and does not preclude the existence of certain long-standing prohibitions such as those forbidding "the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill" or restrictions on "the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. State and local governments are limited to the same extent as the federal government from infringing this right.
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Nobody said it was.

 

[watchingfromafar]

some things need repeating until heard
*****
Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.”

Carrying any kind of weapon, guns, or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. -- The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state's right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution's allowance of personal firearms “is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.”

Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business

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[Leo123]

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Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.”

Carrying any kind of weapon, guns, or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

The practice was started in Southern states, which were among the first to enact laws against concealed carry of guns and knives, in the early 1800s. -- The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America, points to an 1840 Alabama court that, in upholding its state ban, ruled it was a state's right to regulate where and how a citizen could carry, and that the state constitution's allowance of personal firearms “is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places.”

Contrary to the popular imagination, bearing arms on the frontier was a heavily regulated business

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News flash!! It ain't the frontier anymore. Also, the 'frontier' refers to uninhabited areas. Frontier towns were another story. Back then, a gun was part of everyday life in the frontier but the small towns frequently had gun laws for strangers passing through. Totally different demographic than today, totally different time. No comparison.

 

[watchingfromafar]

News flash!! It ain't the frontier anymore. Also, the 'frontier' refers to uninhabited areas. Frontier towns were another story.

Respectfully I disagree.

In the wild west gun laws were established by the cities and towns.

They still have that same right today.

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[Leo123]

Respectfully I disagree.

In the wild west gun laws were established by the cities and towns.

They still have that same right today.

'Respectfully'......first off, the West was not 'wild' in fact it was quite boring most of the time. Folks who farmed were well armed to protect themselves from predatory animals, for shooting game and to protect the homestead from strangers because there was no law enforcement for miles around. Generally, though, life was just working every day to take care of work animals or domestic animals (cows for milk, chickens, pigs, etc. and gardens for vegetables).

Towns were quite different, cow punchers coming off a long drive and being flush with their pay, would descend upon a town and often times create havoc shooting up the town and generally celebrating. The other side of the coin is that towns actually depended on these cowboys for the influx of cash they would bring spending it on prostitutes, gambling, hotels, barbers, and, of course dropping scads of dough in the local drinking establishments. It is little wonder why a Sheriff would confiscate their guns until they left town.

Like I said, totally different times, totally different reason for gun confiscation. Also, back then, it would be unthinkable to confiscate guns from the entire frontier population and it never happened..Also, in those towns, the Sheriff would never confiscate the trusted townspeople's guns because he would need them in cases where the town may have faced organized outlaws, indians, etc.