We Need Government Healthcare Like Canada!

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wasn't it pathetic to hear the Democrat clowns last night? All of them were advocating some form of filthy socialized medicine that would produce the same kind of failed polices that China has that screwed up dealing with the virus.

Right or left, nobody talks about the real problem with our system which is cost. This is why we can never solve this problem. Commie Care just moved our high costs to different areas, and so will Medicare for all. Moving the cost around doesn't solve the problem. The only pragmatic approach to all this is to focus on lowering costs first, and then figure out a way to pay for it.

One of the best ways to lower cost is to keep the filthy ass government out of the businesses of regulating health care.

Who in the hell needs the government telling the insurance companies what they must cover, like transsexual operations or birth control or whatever? Or telling people they can't buy insurance across state lines?

Which is why it's never addressed. If somebody honestly looked at the problem, had meetings with insurance company and hospital managers, the only conclusion would be government is the reason healthcare is unaffordable.

Government screws up everything it touches but yet these stupid Moon Bats want more of it.

I believe it was Einstein who said, only a fool would expect the entity that created a problem to find a solution to it.

 

[ReinyDays]

I can't seem to find the share price or past dividend payments from the Canadian health care system ... it as though there's no return on investment ... that's not affordable, inflation would eat up our capital ... better off investing in 28-day T-bills, that pays 0.5% APR ...

 

[jc456]

Wasn't it pathetic to hear the Democrat clowns last night? All of them were advocating some form of filthy socialized medicine that would produce the same kind of failed polices that China has that screwed up dealing with the virus.

Right or left, nobody talks about the real problem with our system which is cost. This is why we can never solve this problem. Commie Care just moved our high costs to different areas, and so will Medicare for all. Moving the cost around doesn't solve the problem. The only pragmatic approach to all this is to focus on lowering costs first, and then figure out a way to pay for it.

I think stop lying is a good first step.

 

[jc456]

who's that?

The 44 million Americans and their dependents who don't have health insurance. Or, those that filed for bankruptcy due to an illness.

So Hopeycare was an epic failure, got it.

Nope, number of uninsured went down during Obama's presidency and is going back up under Trump.

Under Trump, the number of uninsured Americans has gone up by 7 million

So it went from 10.9 to 13.7? Obviously 2.8 million decided they don’t want insurance once the gun was removed from their heads.

Decided they don't want insurance? Who the fuck does that? If you read the article you'd see that those who have shitty poor paying jobs are the ones losing insurance.

yes decided not to have insurance. why is that difficult for you? please, are you thinking you know everybody? and you posted a laughing meme. well

 

[jc456]

Wasn't it pathetic to hear the Democrat clowns last night? All of them were advocating some form of filthy socialized medicine that would produce the same kind of failed polices that China has that screwed up dealing with the virus.

Right or left, nobody talks about the real problem with our system which is cost. This is why we can never solve this problem. Commie Care just moved our high costs to different areas, and so will Medicare for all. Moving the cost around doesn't solve the problem. The only pragmatic approach to all this is to focus on lowering costs first, and then figure out a way to pay for it.

I think stop lying is a good first step.

Ray From Cleveland , do these people know that even though they pay for insurance, they still pay the doctor for a visit? So, not only do you pay the monthly fee for the BCBS, then you pay for the visit. Wait, what? how is that so? I thought if you paid for Healthcare, you got free healthcare? People are too stupid and believe what they're told. Not what they read, what they're told.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wasn't it pathetic to hear the Democrat clowns last night? All of them were advocating some form of filthy socialized medicine that would produce the same kind of failed polices that China has that screwed up dealing with the virus.

Right or left, nobody talks about the real problem with our system which is cost. This is why we can never solve this problem. Commie Care just moved our high costs to different areas, and so will Medicare for all. Moving the cost around doesn't solve the problem. The only pragmatic approach to all this is to focus on lowering costs first, and then figure out a way to pay for it.

I think stop lying is a good first step.

Ray From Cleveland , do these people know that even though they pay for insurance, they still pay the doctor for a visit? So, not only do you pay the monthly fee for the BCBS, then you pay for the visit. Wait, what? how is that so? I thought if you paid for Healthcare, you got free healthcare? People are too stupid and believe what they're told. Not what they read, what they're told.

All healthcare is going to cost you some money somewhere. Commie Care is the worst of it. Their close to affordable plans come with a 7K deductible and a 7K out of pocket. It's absolutely worthless unless you get hit by a bus or have surgery.

 

[jc456]

Wasn't it pathetic to hear the Democrat clowns last night? All of them were advocating some form of filthy socialized medicine that would produce the same kind of failed polices that China has that screwed up dealing with the virus.

Right or left, nobody talks about the real problem with our system which is cost. This is why we can never solve this problem. Commie Care just moved our high costs to different areas, and so will Medicare for all. Moving the cost around doesn't solve the problem. The only pragmatic approach to all this is to focus on lowering costs first, and then figure out a way to pay for it.

I think stop lying is a good first step.

Ray From Cleveland , do these people know that even though they pay for insurance, they still pay the doctor for a visit? So, not only do you pay the monthly fee for the BCBS, then you pay for the visit. Wait, what? how is that so? I thought if you paid for Healthcare, you got free healthcare? People are too stupid and believe what they're told. Not what they read, what they're told.

All healthcare is going to cost you some money somewhere. Commie Care is the worst of it. Their close to affordable plans come with a 7K deductible and a 7K out of pocket. It's absolutely worthless unless you get hit by a bus or have surgery.

people don't know what that means. they don't get that they have to pay 7K for their care. That's per year!!! think about that.

 

[Flash]

The least expensive cost of health care would be if we get the government out of the business of regulating and subsidizing the welfare queens.

The free market (like everything else) will provide the highest quality care for the most competitive cost.

The way to screw up and add tremendous cost to health care is to put it in the hands of some "I don't give a shit" bureaucrat whose boss is a corrupt politician elected by special interest groups.

I trust capitalism to provide goods and services a lot more than the filthy government.

 

[jc456]

The least expensive cost of health care would be if we get the government out of the business of regulating and subsidizing the welfare queens.

The free market (like everything else) will provide the highest quality care for the most competitive cost.

The way to screw up and add tremendous cost to health care is to put it in the hands of some "I don't give a shit" bureaucrat whose boss is a corrupt politician elected by special interest groups.

I trust capitalism to provide goods and services a lot more than the filthy government.

socialism will take away the highest quality care and replace it with the lowest quality of care. and that makes them happy. They hate poor quality.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wasn't it pathetic to hear the Democrat clowns last night? All of them were advocating some form of filthy socialized medicine that would produce the same kind of failed polices that China has that screwed up dealing with the virus.

Right or left, nobody talks about the real problem with our system which is cost. This is why we can never solve this problem. Commie Care just moved our high costs to different areas, and so will Medicare for all. Moving the cost around doesn't solve the problem. The only pragmatic approach to all this is to focus on lowering costs first, and then figure out a way to pay for it.

I think stop lying is a good first step.

Ray From Cleveland , do these people know that even though they pay for insurance, they still pay the doctor for a visit? So, not only do you pay the monthly fee for the BCBS, then you pay for the visit. Wait, what? how is that so? I thought if you paid for Healthcare, you got free healthcare? People are too stupid and believe what they're told. Not what they read, what they're told.

All healthcare is going to cost you some money somewhere. Commie Care is the worst of it. Their close to affordable plans come with a 7K deductible and a 7K out of pocket. It's absolutely worthless unless you get hit by a bus or have surgery.

people don't know what that means. they don't get that they have to pay 7K for their care. That's per year!!! think about that.

If that's not bad enough, they wanted about 30% of my net pay to get the plan. Like who can afford that percentage for a healthcare plan that doesn't cover anything?

 

[jc456]

QUOTE="Ray From Cleveland, post: 24130858, member: 55493"]

Right or left, nobody talks about the real problem with our system which is cost. This is why we can never solve this problem. Commie Care just moved our high costs to different areas, and so will Medicare for all. Moving the cost around doesn't solve the problem. The only pragmatic approach to all this is to focus on lowering costs first, and then figure out a way to pay for it.

I think stop lying is a good first step.

Ray From Cleveland , do these people know that even though they pay for insurance, they still pay the doctor for a visit? So, not only do you pay the monthly fee for the BCBS, then you pay for the visit. Wait, what? how is that so? I thought if you paid for Healthcare, you got free healthcare? People are too stupid and believe what they're told. Not what they read, what they're told.

All healthcare is going to cost you some money somewhere. Commie Care is the worst of it. Their close to affordable plans come with a 7K deductible and a 7K out of pocket. It's absolutely worthless unless you get hit by a bus or have surgery.

people don't know what that means. they don't get that they have to pay 7K for their care. That's per year!!! think about that.

If that's not bad enough, they wanted about 30% of my net pay to get the plan. Like who can afford that percentage for a healthcare plan that doesn't cover anything?[/QUOTE]

dude EXACTLY!!!!!!

 

[Flash]

Right or left, nobody talks about the real problem with our system which is cost. This is why we can never solve this problem. Commie Care just moved our high costs to different areas, and so will Medicare for all. Moving the cost around doesn't solve the problem. The only pragmatic approach to all this is to focus on lowering costs first, and then figure out a way to pay for it.

I think stop lying is a good first step.

Ray From Cleveland , do these people know that even though they pay for insurance, they still pay the doctor for a visit? So, not only do you pay the monthly fee for the BCBS, then you pay for the visit. Wait, what? how is that so? I thought if you paid for Healthcare, you got free healthcare? People are too stupid and believe what they're told. Not what they read, what they're told.

All healthcare is going to cost you some money somewhere. Commie Care is the worst of it. Their close to affordable plans come with a 7K deductible and a 7K out of pocket. It's absolutely worthless unless you get hit by a bus or have surgery.

people don't know what that means. they don't get that they have to pay 7K for their care. That's per year!!! think about that.

If that's not bad enough, they wanted about 30% of my net pay to get the plan. Like who can afford that percentage for a healthcare plan that doesn't cover anything?

Those plans were never designed to cover jackshit for the paying customers.

They were designed to pay for subsidies to the welfare queens. The welfare queens that voted that asshole Obama into power and the stupid Democrats that voted for the plan.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If that's not bad enough, they wanted about 30% of my net pay to get the plan. Like who can afford that percentage for a healthcare plan that doesn't cover anything?

dude EXACTLY!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Sad.The obvious solution is capitalism. Then, providers are competing to get you the lowest cost possible if they want to survive in business. Do you understand this simple Republican concept???

 

[HappyJoy]

The 44 million Americans and their dependents who don't have health insurance. Or, those that filed for bankruptcy due to an illness.

So Hopeycare was an epic failure, got it.

Nope, number of uninsured went down during Obama's presidency and is going back up under Trump.

Under Trump, the number of uninsured Americans has gone up by 7 million

So it went from 10.9 to 13.7? Obviously 2.8 million decided they don’t want insurance once the gun was removed from their heads.

Decided they don't want insurance? Who the fuck does that? If you read the article you'd see that those who have shitty poor paying jobs are the ones losing insurance.

yes decided not to have insurance. why is that difficult for you? please, are you thinking you know everybody? and you posted a laughing meme. well

The reason people would lose or give up their insurance is due to cost. I don't see millions of people saying "gee, today I just don't want health insurance". Idiot.

 

[Weatherman2020]

So Hopeycare was an epic failure, got it.

Nope, number of uninsured went down during Obama's presidency and is going back up under Trump.

Under Trump, the number of uninsured Americans has gone up by 7 million

So it went from 10.9 to 13.7? Obviously 2.8 million decided they don’t want insurance once the gun was removed from their heads.

Decided they don't want insurance? Who the fuck does that? If you read the article you'd see that those who have shitty poor paying jobs are the ones losing insurance.

yes decided not to have insurance. why is that difficult for you? please, are you thinking you know everybody? and you posted a laughing meme. well

The reason people would lose or give up their insurance is due to cost. I don't see millions of people saying "gee, today I just don't want health insurance". Idiot.

I’m happy Democrat’s have found a topic that all Americans love - Hopeycare.

Run with it, Forest!

 

[HappyJoy]

Nope, number of uninsured went down during Obama's presidency and is going back up under Trump.

Under Trump, the number of uninsured Americans has gone up by 7 million

So it went from 10.9 to 13.7? Obviously 2.8 million decided they don’t want insurance once the gun was removed from their heads.

Decided they don't want insurance? Who the fuck does that? If you read the article you'd see that those who have shitty poor paying jobs are the ones losing insurance.

yes decided not to have insurance. why is that difficult for you? please, are you thinking you know everybody? and you posted a laughing meme. well

The reason people would lose or give up their insurance is due to cost. I don't see millions of people saying "gee, today I just don't want health insurance". Idiot.

I’m happy Democrat’s have found a topic that all Americans love - Hopeycare.

Run with it, Forest!

OK.

 

[colfax_m]

Do feel free to compare administrative costs and explain why Canadians pay less for US pharma products than americans do.

Actually, that would be because the Canadian government imposes price controls far below the cost of the meds, which shifts their costs off onto the US. So do us all a favor and don't praise those sucking leeches up north to those of us who have to foot the bill for them.

Bullshit lies from Big Pharma. Americans are paying $4000 for opioid overdose drugs that cost $40 a dose to produce. $400 for an EpiPen that costs the same. You’re being conned and fleeced. Just look at the profits being posted by the drug companies.

Which drug companies? Have any names?

Epipen is an extremely good example. Making them costs $30. They sell them for $700

The Soaring Price of EpiPen | RN.com

Great. That's a start. Now according to your article, the Epipen is manufactured by Mylan. Here is their profit margin:

Current and historical gross margin, operating margin and net profit margin for Mylan (MYL) over the last 10 years. Profit margin can be defined as the percentage of revenue that a company retains as income after the deduction of expenses. Mylan net profit margin as of September 30, 2019 is 0.42%.

Mylan Profit Margin 2006-2019 | MYL

.42% I believe the banks are offering more for a savings account. Now let me ask: would you invest in this company?

You see, pharmaceutical companies invest a ton of money to satisfy our FDA. Hundreds of millions of dollars and years of red tape and testing need to take place to put a drug into market. When they make all those investments, and the FDA disapproves their drug, they need to increase the prices on their existing drugs.

Included in that cost is an intrinsic liability cost. When you put drugs out on the market, somebody is going to have a problem with it. When they do, the ambulance chasers are front and center to sue your company. Just look at what they did to the company that produces opioid products.

But of course, the reporters who tell you it only costs X to produce, but they sell it for Y, leave a whole lot of factors out of the mix.

Mylan doesn’t bring new drugs to market. They’re a genetic manufacturer. They purchase other companies and acquire their business; which is a really good way of driving down the net profit. Their gross profit is 30-40%.

 

[jc456]

Actually, that would be because the Canadian government imposes price controls far below the cost of the meds, which shifts their costs off onto the US. So do us all a favor and don't praise those sucking leeches up north to those of us who have to foot the bill for them.

Bullshit lies from Big Pharma. Americans are paying $4000 for opioid overdose drugs that cost $40 a dose to produce. $400 for an EpiPen that costs the same. You’re being conned and fleeced. Just look at the profits being posted by the drug companies.

Which drug companies? Have any names?

Epipen is an extremely good example. Making them costs $30. They sell them for $700

The Soaring Price of EpiPen | RN.com

Great. That's a start. Now according to your article, the Epipen is manufactured by Mylan. Here is their profit margin:

Current and historical gross margin, operating margin and net profit margin for Mylan (MYL) over the last 10 years. Profit margin can be defined as the percentage of revenue that a company retains as income after the deduction of expenses. Mylan net profit margin as of September 30, 2019 is 0.42%.

Mylan Profit Margin 2006-2019 | MYL

.42% I believe the banks are offering more for a savings account. Now let me ask: would you invest in this company?

You see, pharmaceutical companies invest a ton of money to satisfy our FDA. Hundreds of millions of dollars and years of red tape and testing need to take place to put a drug into market. When they make all those investments, and the FDA disapproves their drug, they need to increase the prices on their existing drugs.

Included in that cost is an intrinsic liability cost. When you put drugs out on the market, somebody is going to have a problem with it. When they do, the ambulance chasers are front and center to sue your company. Just look at what they did to the company that produces opioid products.

But of course, the reporters who tell you it only costs X to produce, but they sell it for Y, leave a whole lot of factors out of the mix.

Mylan doesn’t bring new drugs to market. They’re a genetic manufacturer. They purchase other companies and acquire their business; which is a really good way of driving down the net profit. Their gross profit is 30-40%.

still have to test it against all probabilities. do you know those costs? Or the time it takes? or what do you do when you fail? All the things no one thinks of when complaining about costs. you all have no idea.

 

[jc456]

So Hopeycare was an epic failure, got it.

Nope, number of uninsured went down during Obama's presidency and is going back up under Trump.

Under Trump, the number of uninsured Americans has gone up by 7 million

So it went from 10.9 to 13.7? Obviously 2.8 million decided they don’t want insurance once the gun was removed from their heads.

Decided they don't want insurance? Who the fuck does that? If you read the article you'd see that those who have shitty poor paying jobs are the ones losing insurance.

yes decided not to have insurance. why is that difficult for you? please, are you thinking you know everybody? and you posted a laughing meme. well

The reason people would lose or give up their insurance is due to cost. I don't see millions of people saying "gee, today I just don't want health insurance". Idiot.

I simply ask that you know what you're talking about.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So you can wait 3 weeks after your general practitioner refers you to a specialist and 39 weeks for orthopedic surgery.

And Bloomberg says if you’re old, you can just die.

While Americans pine for 'Medicare for all,' Canadians look for US-style private insurance

Whoah, slow down there, commie. In this country, we are proposing government health insurance, not government healthcare.