We will get him THIS time....

[toomuchtime_]

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Liberals grasping at any straw they can find as Cohen sinks them deeper into the abyss. A random check proves his story? Only to the naive or ignorant. Again, learn this, paying a whore to shut up is NOT illegal, o matter how much you cry about it.

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Liberals grasping at any straw they can find as Cohen sinks them deeper into the abyss. A random check proves his story? Only to the naive or ignorant. Again, learn this, paying a whore to shut up is NOT illegal, o matter how much you cry about it.

That check is far from random; it is directly relevant to Michael Cohen's guilty plea in the matter of hush money. If Trump (Sr, and Jr) knowingly took part in that criminal conspiracy, they will become subject to prosecution.

Stormy Daniels–Donald Trump scandal - Wikipedia

"The Common Cause complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission claim that Trump’s campaign violated campaign laws by not publicly disclosing the $130,000 payment to the Federal Election Commission.[15]

"There are also concerns about where the funds originated, and whether they are an illegal or undisclosed in-kind contribution to the campaign.

"However, several members of Trump's legal team have denied the payment was related to the campaign and claimed it was instead aimed at saving Trump's marriage.[30]

"Questions have also been raised about how the payment was classified for tax purposes, and if there is a possibility of tax-based charges or fees relating to the payment...."

"A well established principle of contract law is the offer and acceptance of "consideration" or something of value, in exchange for a promise to do something (or not do something in the case of a non-disclosure agreement).[36]

"Legal experts argue that the $130,000 payment being accepted by one party is valid consideration and enforceable regardless of the unsigned state of the Daniels non-disclosure agreement, but other elements in the Daniels agreement make predicting the outcome difficult. Issues such as the use of pseudonyms and the disclosure exception for law enforcement investigations may favor Daniels's position."

In the very worse case, it is a civil offense and would be handled by a fine, as similar violations by the Obama campaigns were.

In the very worse case, it is a civil offense and would be handled by a fine, as similar violations by the Obama campaigns were

"'The difference between a campaign finance violation that is a crime and a campaign finance violation is a civil matter is whether the action was taking knowingly and willfully,' explained Paul S. Ryan, the Vice President of Policy & Litigation at Common Cause, the non-partisan organization that filed complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission earlier this year regarding these payments.

"Nevertheless, Trump tweeted Wednesday morning that the violations to which Cohen pleaded guilty weren’t really crimes, noting that his predecessor, Barack Obama, had also dealt with a 'big' campaign finance violation, but it was quickly put to rest.

"In 2013, the FEC did fine then-President Obama’s 2008 campaign $375,000 for failing to report financial paperwork; Politico reported at the time that the fine was among the largest the FEC had ever mandated against a presidential campaign.

"A source familiar with the violation described it as “a pretty low level thing,” that was 'more of a paperwork error,' noting that the error was fairly benign but the fine was large given the amount of money the campaign took in.

"And arguably more importantly, there was no evidence anywhere that the campaign had knowingly and willfully tried to cover up its donations."

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

Silly stuff and that's why no charges have been brought. Trump paid hte money from his personal funds so the only possible violation of campaign laws if the federal elections commission found that it was paid for campaign purposes is that it was unreported, and that is a civil offense, not a criminal offense. In both his campaign, Obama paid fines for unreported campaign violations. The fact that this is such a hot topic for Trump critics underscores the fact that President Trump is doing such a good job as President that you guys can't find any real issues to go after.

Silly stuff and that's why no charges have been brought.

Charges against a sitting POTUS, you mean.
Why did Trump lie to his base about paying hush money to Stormy Daniels?
Why did he conceal the source of those payments if there was nothing illegal?

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

"Speaking under oath in court Tuesday, Michael Cohen admitted arranging payments to keep a former Playboy model and a porn star quiet during the 2016 election about alleged affairs 'in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office' — Trump. He told the judge that he knew what he was doing was illegal but that he did it anyway."

Perhaps he lied about it to avoid problems with his wife, or perhaps he lied about it because it was personally embarrassing or perhaps he lied about it because it was politically inconvenient, but there is no evidence of anything illegal in any of this. Cohen is only in trouble on this issue because he lied under oath about, not because there was anything illegal about paying hush money about a sexual affair.

 

[2aguy]

I have yet to see a single item from Cohen that damns the President. So much for the pipe dreams of the democrats AGAIN.

Oh yeah.....he testified that he didn't know of any collusion between Trump and Russia....oh.

But....But.....he testified that Trump never told him to lie to congress..........oh.

Oh, but he did testify that he used to buy up stories about Trump all the time which would mean any payment to Stormy was not a campaign expenditure.........oh.

Yep....you are right...the democrats stepped in it again...

 

[georgephillip]

What consequences should Trump pay for deliberately lying to the American people regarding this political/personal issue?
Cohen: if Trump loses in 2020 'there will never be a peaceful transition of power' – live

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Liberals grasping at any straw they can find as Cohen sinks them deeper into the abyss. A random check proves his story? Only to the naive or ignorant. Again, learn this, paying a whore to shut up is NOT illegal, o matter how much you cry about it.

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Liberals grasping at any straw they can find as Cohen sinks them deeper into the abyss. A random check proves his story? Only to the naive or ignorant. Again, learn this, paying a whore to shut up is NOT illegal, o matter how much you cry about it.

That check is far from random; it is directly relevant to Michael Cohen's guilty plea in the matter of hush money. If Trump (Sr, and Jr) knowingly took part in that criminal conspiracy, they will become subject to prosecution.

Stormy Daniels–Donald Trump scandal - Wikipedia

"The Common Cause complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission claim that Trump’s campaign violated campaign laws by not publicly disclosing the $130,000 payment to the Federal Election Commission.[15]

"There are also concerns about where the funds originated, and whether they are an illegal or undisclosed in-kind contribution to the campaign.

"However, several members of Trump's legal team have denied the payment was related to the campaign and claimed it was instead aimed at saving Trump's marriage.[30]

"Questions have also been raised about how the payment was classified for tax purposes, and if there is a possibility of tax-based charges or fees relating to the payment...."

"A well established principle of contract law is the offer and acceptance of "consideration" or something of value, in exchange for a promise to do something (or not do something in the case of a non-disclosure agreement).[36]

"Legal experts argue that the $130,000 payment being accepted by one party is valid consideration and enforceable regardless of the unsigned state of the Daniels non-disclosure agreement, but other elements in the Daniels agreement make predicting the outcome difficult. Issues such as the use of pseudonyms and the disclosure exception for law enforcement investigations may favor Daniels's position."

In the very worse case, it is a civil offense and would be handled by a fine, as similar violations by the Obama campaigns were.

In the very worse case, it is a civil offense and would be handled by a fine, as similar violations by the Obama campaigns were

"'The difference between a campaign finance violation that is a crime and a campaign finance violation is a civil matter is whether the action was taking knowingly and willfully,' explained Paul S. Ryan, the Vice President of Policy & Litigation at Common Cause, the non-partisan organization that filed complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission earlier this year regarding these payments.

"Nevertheless, Trump tweeted Wednesday morning that the violations to which Cohen pleaded guilty weren’t really crimes, noting that his predecessor, Barack Obama, had also dealt with a 'big' campaign finance violation, but it was quickly put to rest.

"In 2013, the FEC did fine then-President Obama’s 2008 campaign $375,000 for failing to report financial paperwork; Politico reported at the time that the fine was among the largest the FEC had ever mandated against a presidential campaign.

"A source familiar with the violation described it as “a pretty low level thing,” that was 'more of a paperwork error,' noting that the error was fairly benign but the fine was large given the amount of money the campaign took in.

"And arguably more importantly, there was no evidence anywhere that the campaign had knowingly and willfully tried to cover up its donations."

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

Silly stuff and that's why no charges have been brought. Trump paid hte money from his personal funds so the only possible violation of campaign laws if the federal elections commission found that it was paid for campaign purposes is that it was unreported, and that is a civil offense, not a criminal offense. In both his campaign, Obama paid fines for unreported campaign violations. The fact that this is such a hot topic for Trump critics underscores the fact that President Trump is doing such a good job as President that you guys can't find any real issues to go after.

rump paid hte money from his personal funds so the only possible violation of campaign laws if the federal elections commission found that it was paid for campaign purposes is that it was unreported, and that is a civil offense, not a criminal offense.

Trump paid to cover up a felony Michael Cohen had already pleaded guilty to; hence it doesn't matter which account his money came from.

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

"'Legal experts were particularly baffled by the breezy way in which Trump said campaign finance violations weren’t a crime, highlighting the lack of knowledge it seems to show about the legal system as a whole. There’s no way a federal judge would let someone plea to something that wasn’t a crime,' said Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor. 'That’s not how it works.'"

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Liberals grasping at any straw they can find as Cohen sinks them deeper into the abyss. A random check proves his story? Only to the naive or ignorant. Again, learn this, paying a whore to shut up is NOT illegal, o matter how much you cry about it.

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Liberals grasping at any straw they can find as Cohen sinks them deeper into the abyss. A random check proves his story? Only to the naive or ignorant. Again, learn this, paying a whore to shut up is NOT illegal, o matter how much you cry about it.

That check is far from random; it is directly relevant to Michael Cohen's guilty plea in the matter of hush money. If Trump (Sr, and Jr) knowingly took part in that criminal conspiracy, they will become subject to prosecution.

Stormy Daniels–Donald Trump scandal - Wikipedia

"The Common Cause complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission claim that Trump’s campaign violated campaign laws by not publicly disclosing the $130,000 payment to the Federal Election Commission.[15]

"There are also concerns about where the funds originated, and whether they are an illegal or undisclosed in-kind contribution to the campaign.

"However, several members of Trump's legal team have denied the payment was related to the campaign and claimed it was instead aimed at saving Trump's marriage.[30]

"Questions have also been raised about how the payment was classified for tax purposes, and if there is a possibility of tax-based charges or fees relating to the payment...."

"A well established principle of contract law is the offer and acceptance of "consideration" or something of value, in exchange for a promise to do something (or not do something in the case of a non-disclosure agreement).[36]

"Legal experts argue that the $130,000 payment being accepted by one party is valid consideration and enforceable regardless of the unsigned state of the Daniels non-disclosure agreement, but other elements in the Daniels agreement make predicting the outcome difficult. Issues such as the use of pseudonyms and the disclosure exception for law enforcement investigations may favor Daniels's position."

In the very worse case, it is a civil offense and would be handled by a fine, as similar violations by the Obama campaigns were.

In the very worse case, it is a civil offense and would be handled by a fine, as similar violations by the Obama campaigns were

"'The difference between a campaign finance violation that is a crime and a campaign finance violation is a civil matter is whether the action was taking knowingly and willfully,' explained Paul S. Ryan, the Vice President of Policy & Litigation at Common Cause, the non-partisan organization that filed complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission earlier this year regarding these payments.

"Nevertheless, Trump tweeted Wednesday morning that the violations to which Cohen pleaded guilty weren’t really crimes, noting that his predecessor, Barack Obama, had also dealt with a 'big' campaign finance violation, but it was quickly put to rest.

"In 2013, the FEC did fine then-President Obama’s 2008 campaign $375,000 for failing to report financial paperwork; Politico reported at the time that the fine was among the largest the FEC had ever mandated against a presidential campaign.

"A source familiar with the violation described it as “a pretty low level thing,” that was 'more of a paperwork error,' noting that the error was fairly benign but the fine was large given the amount of money the campaign took in.

"And arguably more importantly, there was no evidence anywhere that the campaign had knowingly and willfully tried to cover up its donations."

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

Silly stuff and that's why no charges have been brought. Trump paid hte money from his personal funds so the only possible violation of campaign laws if the federal elections commission found that it was paid for campaign purposes is that it was unreported, and that is a civil offense, not a criminal offense. In both his campaign, Obama paid fines for unreported campaign violations. The fact that this is such a hot topic for Trump critics underscores the fact that President Trump is doing such a good job as President that you guys can't find any real issues to go after.

rump paid hte money from his personal funds so the only possible violation of campaign laws if the federal elections commission found that it was paid for campaign purposes is that it was unreported, and that is a civil offense, not a criminal offense.

Trump paid to cover up a felony Michael Cohen had already pleaded guilty to; hence it doesn't matter which account his money came from.

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

"'Legal experts were particularly baffled by the breezy way in which Trump said campaign finance violations weren’t a crime, highlighting the lack of knowledge it seems to show about the legal system as a whole. There’s no way a federal judge would let someone plea to something that wasn’t a crime,' said Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor. 'That’s not how it works.'"

"Trump paid to cover up a felony Michael Cohen had already pleaded guilty to"

Name it.

 

[toomuchtime_]

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Liberals grasping at any straw they can find as Cohen sinks them deeper into the abyss. A random check proves his story? Only to the naive or ignorant. Again, learn this, paying a whore to shut up is NOT illegal, o matter how much you cry about it.

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Liberals grasping at any straw they can find as Cohen sinks them deeper into the abyss. A random check proves his story? Only to the naive or ignorant. Again, learn this, paying a whore to shut up is NOT illegal, o matter how much you cry about it.

That check is far from random; it is directly relevant to Michael Cohen's guilty plea in the matter of hush money. If Trump (Sr, and Jr) knowingly took part in that criminal conspiracy, they will become subject to prosecution.

Stormy Daniels–Donald Trump scandal - Wikipedia

"The Common Cause complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission claim that Trump’s campaign violated campaign laws by not publicly disclosing the $130,000 payment to the Federal Election Commission.[15]

"There are also concerns about where the funds originated, and whether they are an illegal or undisclosed in-kind contribution to the campaign.

"However, several members of Trump's legal team have denied the payment was related to the campaign and claimed it was instead aimed at saving Trump's marriage.[30]

"Questions have also been raised about how the payment was classified for tax purposes, and if there is a possibility of tax-based charges or fees relating to the payment...."

"A well established principle of contract law is the offer and acceptance of "consideration" or something of value, in exchange for a promise to do something (or not do something in the case of a non-disclosure agreement).[36]

"Legal experts argue that the $130,000 payment being accepted by one party is valid consideration and enforceable regardless of the unsigned state of the Daniels non-disclosure agreement, but other elements in the Daniels agreement make predicting the outcome difficult. Issues such as the use of pseudonyms and the disclosure exception for law enforcement investigations may favor Daniels's position."

In the very worse case, it is a civil offense and would be handled by a fine, as similar violations by the Obama campaigns were.

In the very worse case, it is a civil offense and would be handled by a fine, as similar violations by the Obama campaigns were

"'The difference between a campaign finance violation that is a crime and a campaign finance violation is a civil matter is whether the action was taking knowingly and willfully,' explained Paul S. Ryan, the Vice President of Policy & Litigation at Common Cause, the non-partisan organization that filed complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission earlier this year regarding these payments.

"Nevertheless, Trump tweeted Wednesday morning that the violations to which Cohen pleaded guilty weren’t really crimes, noting that his predecessor, Barack Obama, had also dealt with a 'big' campaign finance violation, but it was quickly put to rest.

"In 2013, the FEC did fine then-President Obama’s 2008 campaign $375,000 for failing to report financial paperwork; Politico reported at the time that the fine was among the largest the FEC had ever mandated against a presidential campaign.

"A source familiar with the violation described it as “a pretty low level thing,” that was 'more of a paperwork error,' noting that the error was fairly benign but the fine was large given the amount of money the campaign took in.

"And arguably more importantly, there was no evidence anywhere that the campaign had knowingly and willfully tried to cover up its donations."

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

Silly stuff and that's why no charges have been brought. Trump paid hte money from his personal funds so the only possible violation of campaign laws if the federal elections commission found that it was paid for campaign purposes is that it was unreported, and that is a civil offense, not a criminal offense. In both his campaign, Obama paid fines for unreported campaign violations. The fact that this is such a hot topic for Trump critics underscores the fact that President Trump is doing such a good job as President that you guys can't find any real issues to go after.

rump paid hte money from his personal funds so the only possible violation of campaign laws if the federal elections commission found that it was paid for campaign purposes is that it was unreported, and that is a civil offense, not a criminal offense.

Trump paid to cover up a felony Michael Cohen had already pleaded guilty to; hence it doesn't matter which account his money came from.

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

"'Legal experts were particularly baffled by the breezy way in which Trump said campaign finance violations weren’t a crime, highlighting the lack of knowledge it seems to show about the legal system as a whole. There’s no way a federal judge would let someone plea to something that wasn’t a crime,' said Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor. 'That’s not how it works.'"

Again, try to focus, a candidate can contribute as much of his own money as he likes to his own campaign, and since everyone has agreed Trump paid the hush money, the worst case is that it was an unreported contribution to his campaign, and after every election candidates end up paying fines for unreported contributions to their campaigns. There is nothing more to it.

 

[georgephillip]

That check is far from random; it is directly relevant to Michael Cohen's guilty plea in the matter of hush money. If Trump (Sr, and Jr) knowingly took part in that criminal conspiracy, they will become subject to prosecution.

Stormy Daniels–Donald Trump scandal - Wikipedia

"The Common Cause complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission claim that Trump’s campaign violated campaign laws by not publicly disclosing the $130,000 payment to the Federal Election Commission.[15]

"There are also concerns about where the funds originated, and whether they are an illegal or undisclosed in-kind contribution to the campaign.

"However, several members of Trump's legal team have denied the payment was related to the campaign and claimed it was instead aimed at saving Trump's marriage.[30]

"Questions have also been raised about how the payment was classified for tax purposes, and if there is a possibility of tax-based charges or fees relating to the payment...."

"A well established principle of contract law is the offer and acceptance of "consideration" or something of value, in exchange for a promise to do something (or not do something in the case of a non-disclosure agreement).[36]

"Legal experts argue that the $130,000 payment being accepted by one party is valid consideration and enforceable regardless of the unsigned state of the Daniels non-disclosure agreement, but other elements in the Daniels agreement make predicting the outcome difficult. Issues such as the use of pseudonyms and the disclosure exception for law enforcement investigations may favor Daniels's position."

In the very worse case, it is a civil offense and would be handled by a fine, as similar violations by the Obama campaigns were.

In the very worse case, it is a civil offense and would be handled by a fine, as similar violations by the Obama campaigns were

"'The difference between a campaign finance violation that is a crime and a campaign finance violation is a civil matter is whether the action was taking knowingly and willfully,' explained Paul S. Ryan, the Vice President of Policy & Litigation at Common Cause, the non-partisan organization that filed complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission earlier this year regarding these payments.

"Nevertheless, Trump tweeted Wednesday morning that the violations to which Cohen pleaded guilty weren’t really crimes, noting that his predecessor, Barack Obama, had also dealt with a 'big' campaign finance violation, but it was quickly put to rest.

"In 2013, the FEC did fine then-President Obama’s 2008 campaign $375,000 for failing to report financial paperwork; Politico reported at the time that the fine was among the largest the FEC had ever mandated against a presidential campaign.

"A source familiar with the violation described it as “a pretty low level thing,” that was 'more of a paperwork error,' noting that the error was fairly benign but the fine was large given the amount of money the campaign took in.

"And arguably more importantly, there was no evidence anywhere that the campaign had knowingly and willfully tried to cover up its donations."

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

Silly stuff and that's why no charges have been brought. Trump paid hte money from his personal funds so the only possible violation of campaign laws if the federal elections commission found that it was paid for campaign purposes is that it was unreported, and that is a civil offense, not a criminal offense. In both his campaign, Obama paid fines for unreported campaign violations. The fact that this is such a hot topic for Trump critics underscores the fact that President Trump is doing such a good job as President that you guys can't find any real issues to go after.

Silly stuff and that's why no charges have been brought.

Charges against a sitting POTUS, you mean.
Why did Trump lie to his base about paying hush money to Stormy Daniels?
Why did he conceal the source of those payments if there was nothing illegal?

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

"Speaking under oath in court Tuesday, Michael Cohen admitted arranging payments to keep a former Playboy model and a porn star quiet during the 2016 election about alleged affairs 'in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office' — Trump. He told the judge that he knew what he was doing was illegal but that he did it anyway."

Perhaps he lied about it to avoid problems with his wife, or perhaps he lied about it because it was personally embarrassing or perhaps he lied about it because it was politically inconvenient, but there is no evidence of anything illegal in any of this. Cohen is only in trouble on this issue because he lied under oath about, not because there was anything illegal about paying hush money about a sexual affair.

Cohen is only in trouble on this issue because he lied under oath about, not because there was anything illegal about paying hush money about a sexual affair.

• "Michael Cohen: President Trump's former personal attorney pleaded guilty to eight counts of campaign finance violations, tax fraud and bank fraud as part of a deal, which includes jail time."

Cohen paid illegal hush money on behalf of Donald Trump and then lied to congress about.

Trump lied to the American people about the payment of illegal hush money, and then ordered Cohen to lie to Melania about his cheating.

Is this how you MAGA?

Live: Michael Cohen pleads guilty to 8 counts - CNNPolitics

 

[candycorn]

I have yet to see a single item from Cohen that damns the President. So much for the pipe dreams of the democrats AGAIN.

Would u admit it if u did? Lie to us and say yes

 

[toomuchtime_]

In the very worse case, it is a civil offense and would be handled by a fine, as similar violations by the Obama campaigns were.

In the very worse case, it is a civil offense and would be handled by a fine, as similar violations by the Obama campaigns were

"'The difference between a campaign finance violation that is a crime and a campaign finance violation is a civil matter is whether the action was taking knowingly and willfully,' explained Paul S. Ryan, the Vice President of Policy & Litigation at Common Cause, the non-partisan organization that filed complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission earlier this year regarding these payments.

"Nevertheless, Trump tweeted Wednesday morning that the violations to which Cohen pleaded guilty weren’t really crimes, noting that his predecessor, Barack Obama, had also dealt with a 'big' campaign finance violation, but it was quickly put to rest.

"In 2013, the FEC did fine then-President Obama’s 2008 campaign $375,000 for failing to report financial paperwork; Politico reported at the time that the fine was among the largest the FEC had ever mandated against a presidential campaign.

"A source familiar with the violation described it as “a pretty low level thing,” that was 'more of a paperwork error,' noting that the error was fairly benign but the fine was large given the amount of money the campaign took in.

"And arguably more importantly, there was no evidence anywhere that the campaign had knowingly and willfully tried to cover up its donations."

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

Silly stuff and that's why no charges have been brought. Trump paid hte money from his personal funds so the only possible violation of campaign laws if the federal elections commission found that it was paid for campaign purposes is that it was unreported, and that is a civil offense, not a criminal offense. In both his campaign, Obama paid fines for unreported campaign violations. The fact that this is such a hot topic for Trump critics underscores the fact that President Trump is doing such a good job as President that you guys can't find any real issues to go after.

Silly stuff and that's why no charges have been brought.

Charges against a sitting POTUS, you mean.
Why did Trump lie to his base about paying hush money to Stormy Daniels?
Why did he conceal the source of those payments if there was nothing illegal?

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

"Speaking under oath in court Tuesday, Michael Cohen admitted arranging payments to keep a former Playboy model and a porn star quiet during the 2016 election about alleged affairs 'in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office' — Trump. He told the judge that he knew what he was doing was illegal but that he did it anyway."

Perhaps he lied about it to avoid problems with his wife, or perhaps he lied about it because it was personally embarrassing or perhaps he lied about it because it was politically inconvenient, but there is no evidence of anything illegal in any of this. Cohen is only in trouble on this issue because he lied under oath about, not because there was anything illegal about paying hush money about a sexual affair.

Cohen is only in trouble on this issue because he lied under oath about, not because there was anything illegal about paying hush money about a sexual affair.

• "Michael Cohen: President Trump's former personal attorney pleaded guilty to eight counts of campaign finance violations, tax fraud and bank fraud as part of a deal, which includes jail time."

Cohen paid illegal hush money on behalf of Donald Trump and then lied to congress about.

Trump lied to the American people about the payment of illegal hush money, and then ordered Cohen to lie to Melania about his cheating.

Is this how you MAGA?

Live: Michael Cohen pleads guilty to 8 counts - CNNPolitics

Again, paying the hush money was not a crime but lying under oath about it was, and since the President never lied under oath about it, he committed no crime. Come on, you must even be boring yourself with this nonsense by now.

 

[grainbely]

This shit is a joke!
Listening to Cohen try and sound virtuous makes me wanna puke.
Him saying how worried he is about his family is pathetic!!
Where was that concern while you were out ripping off banks?

That is all more so to do with your preconceived notions. You probably thought kavanaugh was a hero, strozk a slime bag, sessions a hero, Rosenstein a slime bag, Gowdy a hero, Cummins and Connolly obv slime...and on and on like that right? Right?

No....this is the same old bullshit we've known about for months.
Dems are using it to repeat all of the same old shit only back to back in one sitting.
There were no revelations or new info.

True, the whole purpose of this hearing was to repeat these unsubstantiated allegations of TV.

Let's substantiate them then. Put trump on the stand.

So what you are saying is you don't need no stinkin' facts to indict him!

We already know for a fact he lied his ass off thousands of times about his organizations Russian activities. We know he directed his underlings to be dishonest under oath. We know he and cohen broke campaign finance law.

We can assume he didnt submit his taxes because of his Russia lies or other illegal activity. He would not have wanted them to be scrutinized like normal before the election after lieing so much. There's evidence of the deep financial ties in there.

Insure theres more. I'm just a watcher, obv. If you choose to not follow and instead demand some explain it to you or else its not true, you're gonna have a bad time.

 

[Oddball]

I have yet to see a single item from Cohen that damns the President. So much for the pipe dreams of the democrats AGAIN.

6 explosive revelations from former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's testimony to Congress

"Michael Cohen will present a check to the House Oversight Committee Wednesday signed by Donald Trump, which the president’s former lawyer says was reimbursement for hush money payments to porn star Stormy Daniels.

"In prepared remarks published hours before his testimony, Cohen said the check is proof that Trump knowingly conspired to prevent negative stories about his personal life becoming public.

"The testimony will also include allegations of..."

Trump lied to the American people about paying off Stormy Daniels.

Why shouldn't he be impeached?

 

[georgephillip]

"'The difference between a campaign finance violation that is a crime and a campaign finance violation is a civil matter is whether the action was taking knowingly and willfully,' explained Paul S. Ryan, the Vice President of Policy & Litigation at Common Cause, the non-partisan organization that filed complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission earlier this year regarding these payments.

"Nevertheless, Trump tweeted Wednesday morning that the violations to which Cohen pleaded guilty weren’t really crimes, noting that his predecessor, Barack Obama, had also dealt with a 'big' campaign finance violation, but it was quickly put to rest.

"In 2013, the FEC did fine then-President Obama’s 2008 campaign $375,000 for failing to report financial paperwork; Politico reported at the time that the fine was among the largest the FEC had ever mandated against a presidential campaign.

"A source familiar with the violation described it as “a pretty low level thing,” that was 'more of a paperwork error,' noting that the error was fairly benign but the fine was large given the amount of money the campaign took in.

"And arguably more importantly, there was no evidence anywhere that the campaign had knowingly and willfully tried to cover up its donations."

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

Silly stuff and that's why no charges have been brought. Trump paid hte money from his personal funds so the only possible violation of campaign laws if the federal elections commission found that it was paid for campaign purposes is that it was unreported, and that is a civil offense, not a criminal offense. In both his campaign, Obama paid fines for unreported campaign violations. The fact that this is such a hot topic for Trump critics underscores the fact that President Trump is doing such a good job as President that you guys can't find any real issues to go after.

Silly stuff and that's why no charges have been brought.

Charges against a sitting POTUS, you mean.
Why did Trump lie to his base about paying hush money to Stormy Daniels?
Why did he conceal the source of those payments if there was nothing illegal?

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

"Speaking under oath in court Tuesday, Michael Cohen admitted arranging payments to keep a former Playboy model and a porn star quiet during the 2016 election about alleged affairs 'in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office' — Trump. He told the judge that he knew what he was doing was illegal but that he did it anyway."

Perhaps he lied about it to avoid problems with his wife, or perhaps he lied about it because it was personally embarrassing or perhaps he lied about it because it was politically inconvenient, but there is no evidence of anything illegal in any of this. Cohen is only in trouble on this issue because he lied under oath about, not because there was anything illegal about paying hush money about a sexual affair.

Cohen is only in trouble on this issue because he lied under oath about, not because there was anything illegal about paying hush money about a sexual affair.

• "Michael Cohen: President Trump's former personal attorney pleaded guilty to eight counts of campaign finance violations, tax fraud and bank fraud as part of a deal, which includes jail time."

Cohen paid illegal hush money on behalf of Donald Trump and then lied to congress about.

Trump lied to the American people about the payment of illegal hush money, and then ordered Cohen to lie to Melania about his cheating.

Is this how you MAGA?

Live: Michael Cohen pleads guilty to 8 counts - CNNPolitics

Again, paying the hush money was not a crime but lying under oath about it was, and since the President never lied under oath about it, he committed no crime. Come on, you must even be boring yourself with this nonsense by now.

Again, paying the hush money was not a crime but lying under oath about it was, and since the President never lied under oath about it, he committed no crime. Come on, you must even be boring yourself with this nonsense by now.

Then why was Cohen convicted for campaign finance felonies he committed on behalf of Donald Trump?

How Michael Cohen broke campaign finance law

"How Michael Cohen broke campaign finance law
Politics Dec 12, 2018 12:53 PM EST
Michael Cohen was sentenced to 36 months in prison on Wednesday, in part for 'brazen violations of the election laws' when he orchestrated hush money payments on behalf of President Donald Trump during the 2016 election, according to federal prosecutors."

 

[Oddball]

I have yet to see a single item from Cohen that damns the President. So much for the pipe dreams of the democrats AGAIN.

However, watching the Cohen testimony makes me almost certain that Hillary is going to prison soon.....The evidence is overwhelming now

 

[toomuchtime_]

That is all more so to do with your preconceived notions. You probably thought kavanaugh was a hero, strozk a slime bag, sessions a hero, Rosenstein a slime bag, Gowdy a hero, Cummins and Connolly obv slime...and on and on like that right? Right?

No....this is the same old bullshit we've known about for months.
Dems are using it to repeat all of the same old shit only back to back in one sitting.
There were no revelations or new info.

True, the whole purpose of this hearing was to repeat these unsubstantiated allegations of TV.

Let's substantiate them then. Put trump on the stand.

So what you are saying is you don't need no stinkin' facts to indict him!

We already know for a fact he lied his ass off thousands of times about his organizations Russian activities. We know he directed his underlings to be dishonest under oath. We know he and cohen broke campaign finance law.

We can assume he didnt submit his taxes because of his Russia lies or other illegal activity. He would not have wanted them to be scrutinized like normal before the election after lieing so much. There's evidence of the deep financial ties in there.

Insure theres more. I'm just a watcher, obv. If you choose to not follow and instead demand some explain it to you or else its not true, you're gonna have a bad time.

In fact, you don't know any of these things.

 

[georgephillip]

I have yet to see a single item from Cohen that damns the President. So much for the pipe dreams of the democrats AGAIN.

6 explosive revelations from former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's testimony to Congress

"Michael Cohen will present a check to the House Oversight Committee Wednesday signed by Donald Trump, which the president’s former lawyer says was reimbursement for hush money payments to porn star Stormy Daniels.

"In prepared remarks published hours before his testimony, Cohen said the check is proof that Trump knowingly conspired to prevent negative stories about his personal life becoming public.

"The testimony will also include allegations of..."

Trump lied to the American people about paying off Stormy Daniels.

Why shouldn't he be impeached?

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Will he last 'till November 2020?

 

[skookerasbil]

I have yet to see a single item from Cohen that damns the President. So much for the pipe dreams of the democrats AGAIN.

Well.....we know progressives love theatre. People on the right would rather be at the game.

All those bozos will be tuned into CNN tonight and hanging on every word!


Ghey

 

[toomuchtime_]

Silly stuff and that's why no charges have been brought. Trump paid hte money from his personal funds so the only possible violation of campaign laws if the federal elections commission found that it was paid for campaign purposes is that it was unreported, and that is a civil offense, not a criminal offense. In both his campaign, Obama paid fines for unreported campaign violations. The fact that this is such a hot topic for Trump critics underscores the fact that President Trump is doing such a good job as President that you guys can't find any real issues to go after.

Silly stuff and that's why no charges have been brought.

Charges against a sitting POTUS, you mean.
Why did Trump lie to his base about paying hush money to Stormy Daniels?
Why did he conceal the source of those payments if there was nothing illegal?

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

"Speaking under oath in court Tuesday, Michael Cohen admitted arranging payments to keep a former Playboy model and a porn star quiet during the 2016 election about alleged affairs 'in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office' — Trump. He told the judge that he knew what he was doing was illegal but that he did it anyway."

Perhaps he lied about it to avoid problems with his wife, or perhaps he lied about it because it was personally embarrassing or perhaps he lied about it because it was politically inconvenient, but there is no evidence of anything illegal in any of this. Cohen is only in trouble on this issue because he lied under oath about, not because there was anything illegal about paying hush money about a sexual affair.

Cohen is only in trouble on this issue because he lied under oath about, not because there was anything illegal about paying hush money about a sexual affair.

• "Michael Cohen: President Trump's former personal attorney pleaded guilty to eight counts of campaign finance violations, tax fraud and bank fraud as part of a deal, which includes jail time."

Cohen paid illegal hush money on behalf of Donald Trump and then lied to congress about.

Trump lied to the American people about the payment of illegal hush money, and then ordered Cohen to lie to Melania about his cheating.

Is this how you MAGA?

Live: Michael Cohen pleads guilty to 8 counts - CNNPolitics

Again, paying the hush money was not a crime but lying under oath about it was, and since the President never lied under oath about it, he committed no crime. Come on, you must even be boring yourself with this nonsense by now.

Again, paying the hush money was not a crime but lying under oath about it was, and since the President never lied under oath about it, he committed no crime. Come on, you must even be boring yourself with this nonsense by now.

Then why was Cohen convicted for campaign finance felonies he committed on behalf of Donald Trump?

How Michael Cohen broke campaign finance law

"How Michael Cohen broke campaign finance law
Politics Dec 12, 2018 12:53 PM EST
Michael Cohen was sentenced to 36 months in prison on Wednesday, in part for 'brazen violations of the election laws' when he orchestrated hush money payments on behalf of President Donald Trump during the 2016 election, according to federal prosecutors."

Your article got it wrong. He was guilty of bank fraud and lying several times under oath about paying the hush money but paying the hush money itself is not a crime. If the hush money had come out of campaign funds, that would have been a crime, but everyone has agreed Trump paid it from his personal funds, so it was no crime. If it were a crime, don't you think Mueller or someone else would have charged the President by now? No new information was presented today.

 

[keepitreal]

I have yet to see a single item from Cohen that damns the President. So much for the pipe dreams of the democrats AGAIN.

6 explosive revelations from former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's testimony to Congress

"Michael Cohen will present a check to the House Oversight Committee Wednesday signed by Donald Trump, which the president’s former lawyer says was reimbursement for hush money payments to porn star Stormy Daniels.

"In prepared remarks published hours before his testimony, Cohen said the check is proof that Trump knowingly conspired to prevent negative stories about his personal life becoming public.

"The testimony will also include allegations of..."

Trump lied to the American people about paying off Stormy Daniels.

Why shouldn't he be impeached?

In prepared remarks published hours before his testimony, Cohen said the check is proof that Trump knowingly conspired to prevent negative stories about his personal life becoming public.

Yeah, that means she threatened to go public

Hillary knowingly conspired to create negative stories
about Trump to influence voters

Where’s the p*ssy bandwagon now?

The testimony will also include allegations of..."

Trump lied to the American people about paying off Stormy Daniels.

Why shouldn't he be impeached?

Bill lied to the American people about Monica...
An intern was sucking his dick, IN the White House

Trump fucked around with a porn star
BEFORE he became president

This is just part 2 of the Orange Man Bad plot

They spent his first 2 years,
throwing everything but the sink,
and they’ll spend these last 2 years,
‘trying’ to impeach him, but, what they’re really doing is
influencing voters to unseat him....

4 years of media and social media brainwashing
Orange Man Bad
Creating chaos and never ending upheaval,
to make it appear as if Trump is to blame...

As if, see what’s happened since he was elected...
it’s total chaos, it’s like a 24 hour circus

So, by the next election,
people who aren’t NPC’s, will have had enough

The Dems, aka, Nancy Pelosi, convinced people,
civility would be restored if they regained control...
They would put the American people first....

Well, they regained control of House and....
MORE CHAOS

OBVIOUSLY, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY
OF VOTERS IN THE UNITED STATES
ARE NOT AWARE OF THE DISGUSTING
CONDITION OF DOWNTOWN SAN FRANCISCO,
WHICH SHE HAS CONTROLLED FOR 28 YEARS

PEOPLE SH1TING, PISSING EVERYWHERE
TENTS FOR BLOCKS, DRUG ADDICTS
OPENLY, SHOOTING UP, PASSED OUT
ITS UNF*CKINGBELIEVABLE

9 TOILETS FOR OVER 2,000 HOMELESS PEOPLE
AND, HER AGENDA IS WHATS BEST?
SHES WANTS TO HELP ILLEGALS/IMMIGRANTS
HAVE A BETTER LIFE, LIVE THE DREAM,
WHEN OVER 2,000 HOMELESS PEOPLE
AND SLEEPING IN TENTS, SHITTING WHEREVER,
DRUG ADDICTS SHOOTING UP, ON THE SIDEWALKS

GO F*CK YOURSELF
LEARN TO CODE!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Liberals grasping at any straw they can find as Cohen sinks them deeper into the abyss. A random check proves his story? Only to the naive or ignorant. Again, learn this, paying a whore to shut up is NOT illegal, o matter how much you cry about it.

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Liberals grasping at any straw they can find as Cohen sinks them deeper into the abyss. A random check proves his story? Only to the naive or ignorant. Again, learn this, paying a whore to shut up is NOT illegal, o matter how much you cry about it.

That check is far from random; it is directly relevant to Michael Cohen's guilty plea in the matter of hush money. If Trump (Sr, and Jr) knowingly took part in that criminal conspiracy, they will become subject to prosecution.

Stormy Daniels–Donald Trump scandal - Wikipedia

"The Common Cause complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission claim that Trump’s campaign violated campaign laws by not publicly disclosing the $130,000 payment to the Federal Election Commission.[15]

"There are also concerns about where the funds originated, and whether they are an illegal or undisclosed in-kind contribution to the campaign.

"However, several members of Trump's legal team have denied the payment was related to the campaign and claimed it was instead aimed at saving Trump's marriage.[30]

"Questions have also been raised about how the payment was classified for tax purposes, and if there is a possibility of tax-based charges or fees relating to the payment...."

"A well established principle of contract law is the offer and acceptance of "consideration" or something of value, in exchange for a promise to do something (or not do something in the case of a non-disclosure agreement).[36]

"Legal experts argue that the $130,000 payment being accepted by one party is valid consideration and enforceable regardless of the unsigned state of the Daniels non-disclosure agreement, but other elements in the Daniels agreement make predicting the outcome difficult. Issues such as the use of pseudonyms and the disclosure exception for law enforcement investigations may favor Daniels's position."

In the very worse case, it is a civil offense and would be handled by a fine, as similar violations by the Obama campaigns were.

In the very worse case, it is a civil offense and would be handled by a fine, as similar violations by the Obama campaigns were

"'The difference between a campaign finance violation that is a crime and a campaign finance violation is a civil matter is whether the action was taking knowingly and willfully,' explained Paul S. Ryan, the Vice President of Policy & Litigation at Common Cause, the non-partisan organization that filed complaints with the Department of Justice and the Federal Election Commission earlier this year regarding these payments.

"Nevertheless, Trump tweeted Wednesday morning that the violations to which Cohen pleaded guilty weren’t really crimes, noting that his predecessor, Barack Obama, had also dealt with a 'big' campaign finance violation, but it was quickly put to rest.

"In 2013, the FEC did fine then-President Obama’s 2008 campaign $375,000 for failing to report financial paperwork; Politico reported at the time that the fine was among the largest the FEC had ever mandated against a presidential campaign.

"A source familiar with the violation described it as “a pretty low level thing,” that was 'more of a paperwork error,' noting that the error was fairly benign but the fine was large given the amount of money the campaign took in.

"And arguably more importantly, there was no evidence anywhere that the campaign had knowingly and willfully tried to cover up its donations."

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

Silly stuff and that's why no charges have been brought. Trump paid hte money from his personal funds so the only possible violation of campaign laws if the federal elections commission found that it was paid for campaign purposes is that it was unreported, and that is a civil offense, not a criminal offense. In both his campaign, Obama paid fines for unreported campaign violations. The fact that this is such a hot topic for Trump critics underscores the fact that President Trump is doing such a good job as President that you guys can't find any real issues to go after.

Silly stuff and that's why no charges have been brought.

Charges against a sitting POTUS, you mean.
Why did Trump lie to his base about paying hush money to Stormy Daniels?
Why did he conceal the source of those payments if there was nothing illegal?

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

"Speaking under oath in court Tuesday, Michael Cohen admitted arranging payments to keep a former Playboy model and a porn star quiet during the 2016 election about alleged affairs 'in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office' — Trump. He told the judge that he knew what he was doing was illegal but that he did it anyway."

Why did Clinton lie under oath about a blow job? I mean you insist that was not illegal and yet he committed a Federal Offense rather then admit it.

 

[georgephillip]

Charges against a sitting POTUS, you mean.
Why did Trump lie to his base about paying hush money to Stormy Daniels?
Why did he conceal the source of those payments if there was nothing illegal?

Trump Said Campaign Finance Violations Aren't a Crime. Experts Say That's 'Nonsensical'

"Speaking under oath in court Tuesday, Michael Cohen admitted arranging payments to keep a former Playboy model and a porn star quiet during the 2016 election about alleged affairs 'in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office' — Trump. He told the judge that he knew what he was doing was illegal but that he did it anyway."

Perhaps he lied about it to avoid problems with his wife, or perhaps he lied about it because it was personally embarrassing or perhaps he lied about it because it was politically inconvenient, but there is no evidence of anything illegal in any of this. Cohen is only in trouble on this issue because he lied under oath about, not because there was anything illegal about paying hush money about a sexual affair.

Cohen is only in trouble on this issue because he lied under oath about, not because there was anything illegal about paying hush money about a sexual affair.

• "Michael Cohen: President Trump's former personal attorney pleaded guilty to eight counts of campaign finance violations, tax fraud and bank fraud as part of a deal, which includes jail time."

Cohen paid illegal hush money on behalf of Donald Trump and then lied to congress about.

Trump lied to the American people about the payment of illegal hush money, and then ordered Cohen to lie to Melania about his cheating.

Is this how you MAGA?

Live: Michael Cohen pleads guilty to 8 counts - CNNPolitics

Again, paying the hush money was not a crime but lying under oath about it was, and since the President never lied under oath about it, he committed no crime. Come on, you must even be boring yourself with this nonsense by now.

Again, paying the hush money was not a crime but lying under oath about it was, and since the President never lied under oath about it, he committed no crime. Come on, you must even be boring yourself with this nonsense by now.

Then why was Cohen convicted for campaign finance felonies he committed on behalf of Donald Trump?

How Michael Cohen broke campaign finance law

"How Michael Cohen broke campaign finance law
Politics Dec 12, 2018 12:53 PM EST
Michael Cohen was sentenced to 36 months in prison on Wednesday, in part for 'brazen violations of the election laws' when he orchestrated hush money payments on behalf of President Donald Trump during the 2016 election, according to federal prosecutors."

Your article got it wrong. He was guilty of bank fraud and lying several times under oath about paying the hush money but paying the hush money itself is not a crime. If the hush money had come out of campaign funds, that would have been a crime, but everyone has agreed Trump paid it from his personal funds, so it was no crime. If it were a crime, don't you think Mueller or someone else would have charged the President by now? No new information was presented today.

Your article got it wrong. He was guilty of bank fraud and lying several times under oath about paying the hush money but paying the hush money itself is not a crime. If the hush money had come out of campaign funds, that would have been a crime, but everyone has agreed Trump paid it from his personal funds, so it was no crime.

How Michael Cohen broke campaign finance law

• During the 2016 election, Cohen paid $130,000 to adult film actress Stephanie Clifford, known as Stormy Daniels, and arranged for a publishing company to pay $150,000 to model Karen McDougal for her story in exchange for the women agreeing to not go public with allegations that they had affairs with Trump. (Trump has denied having affairs with either Clifford or McDougal.)
• Prosecutors said the purpose of the hush payments was to influence the 2016 election, and treated them as campaign contributions, which are subject to restrictions under the Federal Election Campaign Act.
• Cohen’s payment to Clifford, they said, exceeded the $2,700 limit on personal contributions to a single candidate for an election. The payment he helped arrange for McDougal flouted the ban on corporations contributing directly to campaigns."

 

[georgephillip]

Why did Clinton lie under oath about a blow job? I mean you insist that was not illegal and yet he committed a Federal Offense rather then admit it.

Clinton was impeached, but not convicted.
Hopefully, today's Senate Republicans will do a better job of defending the Constitution than Democrats did in 1998?

I say the country is better of if they all die in prison.