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You all are aware that the Georians withdrew from SO and offered a ceasefire and that Russia has now invaded Georgia proper ceasing so far several towns and a military base?
The entire premise that the Russians were protecting their citizens is GONE and yet you liberal turds keep defending them. Remind me again how the US was wrong in Iraq but Russia is right in Georgia. Explain that concept?
Unfortunately, there's no way to avoid it.
Georgia is our ally, and Russia shouldn't be bombing them.
Unfortunately, there's no way to avoid it.
Georgia is our ally, and Russia shouldn't be bombing them.
How can it be avoided if Georgia is in the crosshairs?
I don't get it.
So, a little research shows quite a few of S.O. residents are Russian citizens. S.O. has been its own (unrecognized by most) nation for a few years and Georgia alleged they'd been attacking Georgia, so Georgia tried to force them into becoming part of Georgia again. The Russians objected and retaliated.
Both sides have some merit, though why after an aggressive move by Georgia the S.O. would want to have anything to do with them...
So basically, Russia attacked another nation when it was not attacked...
I agree that there are Russian citizens there, but it still does not warrant all out war on Georgia--by the Russians. S.O. is technically part of Georgia. It claimed it's independence and is fighting a war to win it's independence. No different than any other independence rebellion. Russia has it's fingers in the cookie jar. This is a hopeful landgrab for Russia. I'll admit that the U.S. has done it's fair share of intervening in other conflicts in which I did not agree with, however, we're talking about the Russians and their blood-thirsty response. Georgia attacked military targets in S.O. Russia is bombing civilians in Georgia. There's a big difference.
Brian, does this mean you no longer think the South had the right to leave the Union? Because it seems pretty much the same. S.O. doesn't want to be part of Georgia. And they've considered themselves a country since the 1990s. While I agree that Russia's motives are probably not pure, I can't say with any certainty that Georgia's are either.
Well...if Maine had recently been part of Canada like O.S. and Georgia had recently been part of the USSR...plus throw in the fact that the Ossetians are their own ethnic tribe - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OssetiansNo, I don't believe that at all. My only argument with that was the South did not act illegally in seceding. ...The South did have the right to leave the Union...however, the Union won the war... The difference is, Canada did not invade the South over it. It was a civil war. This is exactly what I'm saying. Many argued that the Union had the right to "preserve the Union" and argued that the South did not have the right to secede, even though the Majority of the South wanted to. Now, all of a sudden, there's a double standard, and for some reason, Georgia does not have the right to preserve it's nation under the same circumstances.
Parallels:
Civil War: Majority of South wanted to secede. They did so, then was invaded by the Union. The Union fought to preserve the nation and won. No other country invaded either territories.
Georgia & S.O.- Majority of S.O. wanted to secede (separate). They did so, then were invaded by Georgia. The Georgians are fighting to preserve their nation and losing...because Russian has invade Georgia and has violated internationally accepted boundaries.
I realize that the Civil war and this current conflict are completely different in nature...but basically represent the same problem.
I think this is a classic case of a province separating from it's nation, and the nation is fighting to keep this territory....the only difference is, Russia has invaded Georgia to keep them from preserving their own territory. It does not matter that Georgia has not supported S.O. The North did not support the South leading up to the civil war, politically or economically. I do not believe Russia has the right to intervene...when Georgia is clearly preserving its own nation.
Here's a scenario....say Maine secedes from the United States and wants to become their own country. They raise an army and start training forces. They completely cut themselves off from the U.S. The U.S. sends in forces to stop the rebellion, then Canada invades the U.S. because it is allied with Maine. Do you think Canada has the right to intervene when the U.S. is clearly preserving it's Union?
Well...if Maine had recently been part of Canada like O.S. and Georgia had recently been part of the USSR...plus throw in the fact that the Ossetians are their own ethnic tribe -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetians
It's hard to say. The break up of the USSR hasn't quite sorted itself out.
Maybe a better analogy would be if Florida invaded the Seminole reservation in an attempt to take back their land and the US put a stop to it.
All these ancient peoples and kingdoms seem to be getting quite uppity.
You know, I think if their motives are pure then it wouldn't be a bad thing. But since that is probably not the case, and more than likely they are trying to expand their influence (Russia, that is), I can see where it would be a bad thing.lol...fair enough. My analogy was not quite as good as yours. But IMO, considering S.O. is internationally recognized as part of Georgia, Russia has no right to intervene. If they did, Russia would have the right to invade and take over any previously held territory.
You know, I think if their motives are pure then it wouldn't be a bad thing. But since that is probably not the case, and more than likely they are trying to expand their influence (Russia, that is), I can see where it would be a bad thing.
I really can't make up my mind.
You're last sentence sums it up for me. Thanks.
If you want to go that route...Technically...the South legally seceded.
Proof: No prohibition of secession in the constitution, no delegation of secession to the fed gov...
I'm all for a region having it's independence, but I am not for a country invading another country claiming "peace-keeping". You know damn well Russia would like to have this region back as it's own...just like Afghanistan and Czechoslovakia. This has happened numerous times before.
I'm not justifying anything bad that either country has done, but I do not believe it right for Russia to intervene.