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Nope. Not his job. When I got married, we had the standard white couple figurine. I'm black & so is my wife, we didn't really care about that much...didn't even ask for black figurines...Figured if they had them in stock, they wouldve put them on there.What if the baker did not stock a cake topper featuring an Asian groom and a Black bride? Wouldn't the baker have to order it?Is it right, is it ethical , is it proper to turn business away because the client is homosexual so long as the services requested are the exact same services you would provide to any other client?
Maybe the post got too long but it wouldn't let me quote the pertinent part I wanted to quote so I edited everything else out.
Define same services. A cake with a bride and groom on it would be the same service. A cake with two males on it would be a different service and the store owner/baker might not have the props to make it work. Why would he keep them in stock. So the same would be if the gay folks accepted a male and a female on their wedding cake.
Should a couple ask for a more customized cake topper, and if the baker had made such accommodations in the past, is it still the ethical thing to do to turn away couples asking for customized cake toppers? Would you, had you requested a Black couple portrayed as a cake topper, still patronized the baker if he refused?Nope. Not his job. When I got married, we had the standard white couple figurine. I'm black & so is my wife, we didn't really care about that much...didn't even ask for black figurines...Figured if they had them in stock, they wouldve put them on there.What if the baker did not stock a cake topper featuring an Asian groom and a Black bride? Wouldn't the baker have to order it?Maybe the post got too long but it wouldn't let me quote the pertinent part I wanted to quote so I edited everything else out.
Define same services. A cake with a bride and groom on it would be the same service. A cake with two males on it would be a different service and the store owner/baker might not have the props to make it work. Why would he keep them in stock. So the same would be if the gay folks accepted a male and a female on their wedding cake.
No he would use the generic bride and groom he uses for every cake.What if the baker did not stock a cake topper featuring an Asian groom and a Black bride? Wouldn't the baker have to order it?Is it right, is it ethical , is it proper to turn business away because the client is homosexual so long as the services requested are the exact same services you would provide to any other client?
Maybe the post got too long but it wouldn't let me quote the pertinent part I wanted to quote so I edited everything else out.
Define same services. A cake with a bride and groom on it would be the same service. A cake with two males on it would be a different service and the store owner/baker might not have the props to make it work. Why would he keep them in stock. So the same would be if the gay folks accepted a male and a female on their wedding cake.
If I asked & he refused, Id be surprised as the folks who baked our wedding cake & decorated it are also good friends!
But yeah, if that is what I wanted & a baker refused, I would cancel the whole thing as far as that baker is concerned & go somewhere else. Would I be upset? Sure, who wouldn't be? But that's all that would happen, hurt feelings & a minor inconvenience.
Hardly worth passing laws, calling on the media to cry about it. I have more dignity than that.
Is it right, is it ethical , is it proper to turn business away because the client is homosexual so long as the services requested are the exact same services you would provide to any other client?
Maybe the post got too long but it wouldn't let me quote the pertinent part I wanted to quote so I edited everything else out.
Define same services. A cake with a bride and groom on it would be the same service. A cake with two males on it would be a different service and the store owner/baker might not have the props to make it work. Why would he keep them in stock. So the same would be if the gay folks accepted a male and a female on their wedding cake.
Where in the 1st Amendment does it say they have to be?
Case law.
uhuh, saying "case law" doesn't answer my question. Quoting case law would. And since you didn't I bet you can't.
Just because your not a preacher or a church does not mean you don't get 1st amendment rights.
Have you ever been in a bakery? There's really no such thing as a 'generic' cake topper.No he would use the generic bride and groom he uses for every cake.What if the baker did not stock a cake topper featuring an Asian groom and a Black bride? Wouldn't the baker have to order it?Maybe the post got too long but it wouldn't let me quote the pertinent part I wanted to quote so I edited everything else out.
Define same services. A cake with a bride and groom on it would be the same service. A cake with two males on it would be a different service and the store owner/baker might not have the props to make it work. Why would he keep them in stock. So the same would be if the gay folks accepted a male and a female on their wedding cake.
Geeez! You guys still talking about Queers?
I have never met a Queer that I wasn't courteous to, but I have never liked their lifestyle.
I'm talking more about the aspect of anti-discrimination laws and the unconstitutionality of it all. The most recent examples have been gays trying to force businesses to cater to them, so yeah....still talking about queers, but Id feel the same way if it were any other group trying to force businesses to cater to them when they clearly do not wish to.
It's that libertarian streak in me I guess...
Geeez! You guys still talking about Queers?
I have never met a Queer that I wasn't courteous to, but I have never liked their lifestyle.
I'm talking more about the aspect of anti-discrimination laws and the unconstitutionality of it all. The most recent examples have been gays trying to force businesses to cater to them, so yeah....still talking about queers, but Id feel the same way if it were any other group trying to force businesses to cater to them when they clearly do not wish to.
It's that libertarian streak in me I guess...
I agree. If a business owner doesn't want to serve someone because they stink, or dress improperly, or use bad language, or are a queer, it should be up to that owner.
Not just being a queer, but flaunting it by kissing in public or dressing wild should especially give the owner a valid reason for refusing service.
I'm talking more about the aspect of anti-discrimination laws and the unconstitutionality of it all. The most recent examples have been gays trying to force businesses to cater to them, so yeah....still talking about queers, but Id feel the same way if it were any other group trying to force businesses to cater to them when they clearly do not wish to.
It's that libertarian streak in me I guess...
I agree. If a business owner doesn't want to serve someone because they stink, or dress improperly, or use bad language, or are a queer, it should be up to that owner.
Not just being a queer, but flaunting it by kissing in public or dressing wild should especially give the owner a valid reason for refusing service.
And you've, of course, demanded that the Civil Rights Act be repealed by your elected representative, right?
Red herring that has nothing to do with what I posted.Case law.
uhuh, saying "case law" doesn't answer my question. Quoting case law would. And since you didn't I bet you can't.
Just because your not a preacher or a church does not mean you don't get 1st amendment rights.
Then you can name all the churches and clergy that have been forced to marry interracial or interfaith marriages, right? How about all the religious exemptions for people opposed to interracial marriage? Do they have to bake a cake for them?
If I asked & he refused, Id be surprised as the folks who baked our wedding cake & decorated it are also good friends!
But yeah, if that is what I wanted & a baker refused, I would cancel the whole thing as far as that baker is concerned & go somewhere else. Would I be upset? Sure, who wouldn't be? But that's all that would happen, hurt feelings & a minor inconvenience.
Hardly worth passing laws, calling on the media to cry about it. I have more dignity than that.
It takes dignity to combat bigotry also. Your choice however, as always.
If I asked & he refused, Id be surprised as the folks who baked our wedding cake & decorated it are also good friends!
But yeah, if that is what I wanted & a baker refused, I would cancel the whole thing as far as that baker is concerned & go somewhere else. Would I be upset? Sure, who wouldn't be? But that's all that would happen, hurt feelings & a minor inconvenience.
Hardly worth passing laws, calling on the media to cry about it. I have more dignity than that.
It takes dignity to combat bigotry also. Your choice however, as always.
If we were living in the times when my parents stood up against racism...I would be inclined to agree with you. Today, fighting "bigotry" is a joke & backed by the mainstream left & media. If a member of any designated victim group so much as breaks a nail, it's on the news.
Gays have never faced what black folks faced, not even close to that level. So I just don't see it the way you do.
If I asked & he refused, Id be surprised as the folks who baked our wedding cake & decorated it are also good friends!
But yeah, if that is what I wanted & a baker refused, I would cancel the whole thing as far as that baker is concerned & go somewhere else. Would I be upset? Sure, who wouldn't be? But that's all that would happen, hurt feelings & a minor inconvenience.
Hardly worth passing laws, calling on the media to cry about it. I have more dignity than that.
It takes dignity to combat bigotry also. Your choice however, as always.
If we were living in the times when my parents stood up against racism...I would be inclined to agree with you. Today, fighting "bigotry" is a joke & backed by the mainstream left & media. If a member of any designated victim group so much as breaks a nail, it's on the news.
Gays have never faced what black folks faced, not even close to that level. So I just don't see it the way you do.
no one that i knew to be gay was ever mean to me. Can't say the same for heteros. I've met many mean, angry, prickish straight people. A lot of them are bible thumpers.
It takes dignity to combat bigotry also. Your choice however, as always.
If we were living in the times when my parents stood up against racism...I would be inclined to agree with you. Today, fighting "bigotry" is a joke & backed by the mainstream left & media. If a member of any designated victim group so much as breaks a nail, it's on the news.
Gays have never faced what black folks faced, not even close to that level. So I just don't see it the way you do.
Not on the level with blacks in America, but Matthew Shepard remains a sad example. Civil rights are civil rights; there is something "special" about the Bill of Rights, and the Amendments that added to our protections. As I have written, I saw the KKK march 15 years ago, one black officer was out in the heat with all the rest, protecting their liberty to be what they are.
