What did Tom Cotton mean when he said "slavery was a necessary evil?" The irony of his saying that at the same time as John Lewis' passing is not

simply coincidence. the NYT and Hannah-Jones admitted error in stating that perpetuating slavery for Englishmen, once England ended it, was the most important motivation for the American Revolution. But there would never have been a constitution without accepting slavery. Did Cotton mean that accepting slavery was an evil that necessarily had to be tolerated to achieve the const?


“We have to study the history of slavery and its role and impact on the development of our country because otherwise we can’t understand our country. As the Founding Fathers said, it was the necessary evil upon which the union was built, but the union was built in a way, as Lincoln said, to put slavery on the course to its ultimate extinction,” he said.

Instead of portraying America as “an irredeemably corrupt, rotten and racist country,” the nation should be viewed “as an imperfect and flawed land, but the greatest and noblest country in the history of mankind,” Cotton said.

First of all, there's no source that shows Lincoln believed the FOUNDERS put America on a path to end slavery. Quite the opposite, as facts developed ending in his assassination. LOL

But does he believe in the intellectual fallacy that slavery offered "positives?"
You haven't demonstrated any fallacy. If you are going to ask if slavery offered any positives, you have to ask for whom. Certainly not for the slaves, but there were for the American economy and America's early economic growth.

The southern agricultural economy at the time provided much of the impetus for the growth of the northern shipping, finance and manufacturing economies. Northern banks financed each year's cotton crop, and northern factories sold much of what they produced to southerners and northern shipping companies carried southern cotton to European markets and brought back European manufactures, and the southern cotton that fueled all this economic growth was competing in world markets with cotton grown in Egypt and India where where workers were paid essentially slave wages, so American cotton would not have been competitive in the world markets without slavery and the American economy would not have grown so quickly. The conclusion has to be that while slavery was not a positive for the slaves, it was for the rest of America.

But while Cotton says unequivocally that slavery was evil, he says it was a necessary evil, but was it necessary? One might argue that since we don't know how the American economy would have developed if African slaves had not been brought here, one can't say slavery was necessary for the growth of America. But that is a frivolous argument. Given the conditions at the time when African slavery was widespread and widely approved of in the West, it was inevitable that African slaves would be brought to America, and given the vast tracts of land available to the relatively small population of the colonies, which gave the colonies a natural economic advantage in agriculture, and the lack of an indigenous population to pay slave wages to as the British had in their Asian colonies, it was inevitable that African slavery would play a large role in the development of the American economy.

So perhaps instead of calling slavery a necessary evil, Cotton should have called it an inevitable evil. Still, saying that evil is inevitable, rankles the mind. Clearly it was inevitable, and clearly in our present context it was an almost unimaginable evil, but imagine that you were born in the late eighteenth century into a slave owning family in the South and not only did your whole family, your parents, your grandparents, your brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles and cousins believe slavery was fine, but all your friends and everyone held in high esteem in your society either owned slaves or approved of slavery, how likely would you be to think slavery was evil?
 
What it meant was our founders sold out in order to get southern states to join
They figured let future generations.handle it
Cost 600,000 lives
So you prefer two American nations instead of one?

The Founders took the easy way out......let future generations handle the issue.

I would have preferred a hard end date for slavery. Maybe 1825 and not allowing people to be born into slavery
 
One might argue that since we don't know how the American economy would have developed if African slaves had not been brought here, one can't say slavery was necessary for the growth of America.

The cotton industry survived the end of slavery.
 
One might argue that since we don't know how the American economy would have developed if African slaves had not been brought here, one can't say slavery was necessary for the growth of America.

The cotton industry survived the end of slavery.
It survived on a smaller scale by paying many of the newly freed slaves slave wages. England freed its slaves sooner but relied on paying the indigenous populations of its African and Asian colones slave wages. Slavery was not economically important to the English economy in England because the English did all of their large scale agriculture in their colonies, stil studies have concluded the the early British industrial revolution was largely funded from profits made by the British slave trade, so one might say slavery was a "necessary" evil in England, too.
 
What it meant was our founders sold out in order to get southern states to join
They figured let future generations.handle it
Cost 600,000 lives
So you prefer two American nations instead of one?

The Founders took the easy way out......let future generations handle the issue.

I would have preferred a hard end date for slavery. Maybe 1825 and not allowing people to be born into slavery
They did something about it BEFORE 1825, but those of you so ready to SHIT on Thomas Jefferson are too uneducated to know about it.
 
I would have preferred a hard end date for slavery. Maybe 1825 and not allowing people to be born into slavery


that option WAS NOT on the table

would you prefer one nation or two in 1789?
I would have preferred playing hardball with the South at our founding rather than 87 years later

So yes, two nations
Two very weak vulnerable nations and without the north, the south would have kept the slave trade alive, so everyone would lose, but you would have been able to be pure of spirit.
 
I would have preferred a hard end date for slavery. Maybe 1825 and not allowing people to be born into slavery


that option WAS NOT on the table

would you prefer one nation or two in 1789?
I would have preferred playing hardball with the South at our founding rather than 87 years later

So yes, two nations
Two very weak vulnerable nations and without the north, the south would have kept the slave trade alive, so everyone would lose, but you would have been able to be pure of spirit.
The north could have survived without the South and expansion would have been slave free
 
What it meant was our founders sold out in order to get southern states to join
They figured let future generations.handle it
Cost 600,000 lives
So you prefer two American nations instead of one?

The Founders took the easy way out......let future generations handle the issue.

I would have preferred a hard end date for slavery. Maybe 1825 and not allowing people to be born into slavery
They did something about it BEFORE 1825, but those of you so ready to SHIT on Thomas Jefferson are too uneducated to know about it.
They ended the importation of slaves in 1807. That only created a lucrative US slave breeding program.
 
Slavery has been a constant in human history and it survives today.


Those who clutch their pearls at how inhumane and heartless the southern slave owners were need to consider their African "brothers" who facilitated the whole thing in their home countries. They don't come up much in discussion, do they?

The slave owners uniformly believed that the slaves were, if human at all, a lower sub-species who were much better off as slaves here than they would have been running through the jungles of their own country. And looking at current conditions in those countries, the argument is not as easily dismissed as one might hope.

"Necessary evil" was a poor choice of words but the point is that one should not have to justify the actions of whole societies of the past because sophomoric twits today want to feel good about themselves. Where is their outrage about human sacrifice and cannibalism among Native Americans? I think I missed it. No, wait...they say we can't judge them because we weren't there at the time.

I agree.
 
I would have preferred a hard end date for slavery. Maybe 1825 and not allowing people to be born into slavery


that option WAS NOT on the table

would you prefer one nation or two in 1789?
I would have preferred playing hardball with the South at our founding rather than 87 years later

So yes, two nations
Two very weak vulnerable nations and without the north, the south would have kept the slave trade alive, so everyone would lose, but you would have been able to be pure of spirit.
The north could have survived without the South and expansion would have been slave free
Maybe it could have survived, but since France and England were both still trying to slice and dice North America, maybe a weakened North couldn't have survived, and if it did, without the South, it's economy would have been very much weakened. Of course, the North wouldn't have had Jefferson, so if the French sold the Louisiana purchase to anyone, it would have been to the South, and without Jefferson, Washington or Madison, and so many other southerners the North would have been greatly intellectually impoverished. The fact is, as incongruous as it sounds, Southern slave owners were the major authors of our concepts of democracy and individual liberties.
 
simply coincidence. the NYT and Hannah-Jones admitted error in stating that perpetuating slavery for Englishmen, once England ended it, was the most important motivation for the American Revolution. But there would never have been a constitution without accepting slavery. Did Cotton mean that accepting slavery was an evil that necessarily had to be tolerated to achieve the const?


“We have to study the history of slavery and its role and impact on the development of our country because otherwise we can’t understand our country. As the Founding Fathers said, it was the necessary evil upon which the union was built, but the union was built in a way, as Lincoln said, to put slavery on the course to its ultimate extinction,” he said.

Instead of portraying America as “an irredeemably corrupt, rotten and racist country,” the nation should be viewed “as an imperfect and flawed land, but the greatest and noblest country in the history of mankind,” Cotton said.

First of all, there's no source that shows Lincoln believed the FOUNDERS put America on a path to end slavery. Quite the opposite, as facts developed ending in his assassination. LOL

But does he believe in the intellectual fallacy that slavery offered "positives?"
Slavery provided a reduction in overhead that was exacerbated by tariffs placed on the south by the fed.
 
America hasn't had slavery for 250 years.. history is history. Except for leftist assholes trying to change it.

I just love this perpetual self-guilt by the Left over slavery as if America invented it, as if every nation on the planet didn't do it since time immortal including the Indians and the Africans, and as if it still does not go on today, albeit in a far more subtle and civilized way.

England profited off it....and Africans did also.

There were few ships transporting slaves under the US flag...a tremendous amount under the British flag...slaves sold by blacks.

Leftist assholes do not know history
Well then....everything's ok.
 
I would have preferred a hard end date for slavery. Maybe 1825 and not allowing people to be born into slavery


that option WAS NOT on the table

would you prefer one nation or two in 1789?
I would have preferred playing hardball with the South at our founding rather than 87 years later

So yes, two nations
Two very weak vulnerable nations and without the north, the south would have kept the slave trade alive, so everyone would lose, but you would have been able to be pure of spirit.
The north could have survived without the South and expansion would have been slave free
Maybe it could have survived, but since France and England were both still trying to slice and dice North America, maybe a weakened North couldn't have survived, and if it did, without the South, it's economy would have been very much weakened. Of course, the North wouldn't have had Jefferson, so if the French sold the Louisiana purchase to anyone, it would have been to the South, and without Jefferson, Washington or Madison, and so many other southerners the North would have been greatly intellectually impoverished. The fact is, as incongruous as it sounds, Southern slave owners were the major authors of our concepts of democracy and individual liberties.
France wouldn't have had Louisiana on the market if they hadn't lost Haiti to it's slave revolution.
 

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